Forza Motorsport vs Gran Turismo 7 Graphics, Physics, and FPS Comparison

We put Forza Motorsport and Gran Turismo 7 through their paces as we dive deep into the graphics, and physical effects a player will feel on a direct drive wheel, and do some FPS testing on each. Both games were tested across several different tracks with various lighting and weather conditions. We also talked to real-world driver Super GT about his opinion on how the game feels to drive on a Fanatec steering wheel out of the gate while also asking for some tips to improve. Forza Motorsport vs Gran Turismo 7 framerate is also tested, but I think the results may be surprising to some.

[Jin_Sakai]

Rain and trees are better in Forza, car paint and lighting go to GT7. Forza also has a much better sense of speed. Polyphony need to do a better job in that area.

[mandf]

Arcade vs sim. That is why the sense of speed is different

[Obscure_Observer]

"That is why the sense of speed is different"

Nice try, but the reality is that sense of speed in Gran Turismo compared to FM is just bad. Not to mention the chase cam that´s is just awful. The stiff car looks like a photoshoped image slapped in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[LordoftheCritics]

Forza is a superior experience.

I barely touch GT

[darthv72]

Horizon = Arcade
Motorsport = Sim (lite)

[Gamingsince1981]

Yeah it's good to see GT still the king, imagine that lol. Poor xbox can't win anything but court cases for monopolies.

[Babadook7]

Waiting for the big DF comparison. Spoiler alert; GT takes pole.

[babadivad]

If Forza is an arcade racer then so is GT.

[IRetrouk]

Stop using doctored, cherry picked footage obscure it's embarrassing now😳
What's worse is your having to do this to an almost 2 year old cross gen game to try and get some sort of win for the "built from the ground up" greatest racer ever, next gen only release, you overhyped another ms game, and they released another buggy arcade game, with more cuts than a Kardashian, I've had enough of it already after 5 hours, how much have you played of either game?

[peppeaccardo]

FORZA is GARBAGE using a steering wheel.
Please check this Video Out: https://www.youtube.com/wat...
This game is not a 10/10 as everybody wants you to believe it is.
If you use a controller then it is another story.

[VariantAEC]

@Babadook7
I don't think DF will be objective on this one. If they give GT7 the credit it deserves and say it is number 1, I would honestly be taken aback a bit.

For the time being some Taiwanese dude has been doing the heavy lifting for DF.
https://youtu.be/Cu1pj1aKPn...
Just look at the trainwreck that FM23's graphics actually are... and it's not just the cars, but also the tracks and even those trees.

6 years... of what? Really. Let's not forget that IGN failed to mention any of FM23's bugs. Weird. Right now MS is likely paying reviewers to slant things and the trolls in the comments are still arguing there is some kind of anti-Xbox lean in the mainstream gaming press. It's all repugnant.

[Obscure_Observer]

Car paint I agree, but lighting? GT7 can´t come close, Dustin commented about Sony´s weird choices regarding that feature.

GT7 is great, don´t get me wrong, but Forza Motorsport is just the superior racer overall.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[CML2]

Has a lower Metacritic average than GT7 though. 🤔

[z2g]

it has a lower metacritic score by 2 points... but 15 more points you can assume is playstation bias.

Also this is the truth. I am an AVID race fan. I play iRacing on full blown sims and on a home PC. I play GT7 on PS5 and Forza MS on Series X (and I dabble a bit in real life with an e46 m3).

If you are playing Forza MS with a controller, yes there is a bit of pad on the sim. That being said, Forza MS is in fact a sim. Previous Forza games have dialed the sim back a hair from GT but it's still a sim.

Now then, THIS Forza MS is a whole rebuilt, rebooted game. It only has that pad on the controller now. If you upgrade to a good wheel like a Logitech G or a Fanatec, this is where things get different. You have a whole suite of sim options. You can control thing like road scale, feedback forces, steering, braking and a whole bunch more. The higher you make these values the more realistic the sim gets. Out of the box these settings are very low so it's a bit more forgiving than GT7. With proper adjustments I'd argue it's BETTER than GT7 - I assume this is bc it has more contact points per wheel.

FORZA MS is just a better game overall. That doesn't mean GT7 sucks. I love GT7, but the Forza MS is just better. And in regards to reviews, there truly is always a bit of a bias towards Xbox. but considering that out of 72 metacritic reviews FMS is sitting at 85, and gt7 is at 87... and then you watch this video, I think you get what I'm saying.

[Hypertension140]

@Obscure

This is the video I was talking about in my last post, the guy is a huge Xbox fanboy he will do anything to make Forza look better. Notice how he didn't even talk about the car models because he knows GT7 is a generation ahead and the fact that he's comparing the 30fps mode and how poor the textures are.

Look at channels like MotogamesTV or Calem MrNazreenn for a more fair comparison, they try to match all settings to make them as close as possible.

[Nacho_Z]

I wouldn't say Forza was the better game overall but to be fair for me it's prettier. I like the lighting and effects more than GT7s and the sense of speed is greater.

It's like comparing FIFA and PES, FIFA has all the flashy presentation but a bit lacking on the gameplay and PES is weak on the presentation but has the gameplay depth to make up for it. Matter of preference.

[IRetrouk]

How would you know?

[PrinceOfAnger]

I am having so much fun with the game it has far better gameplay and car control than FM7 Imo, the Ray tracing reflections and RT AO in game play give the game a beautiful look lighting is gorgeous at night!

From df
"Definitely one of the better looking racing games in recent memory"

this entry is a substantial upgrade over Forza Motorsport 7, with much better lighting, greatly improved PBR materials, high fidelity foliage and more accurate reflections.

[tbagmonster]

not on the series s

[MEGANE]

Witch is 80% of xbox owners, so most Forza players get an inferior version of an inferior game.

[badz149]

Most probably not RT but rather SSR.

LOL this has been proven by DF too. Nice try! Oh and don't forget car models from the 360 generation!

[PrinceOfAnger]

The game has RTAO and ray-tracing reflection on cars

DF
SSR on wet tracks, and Ray tracing on car bodies "
- Ray tracing also used in some limited track side objects in Quality mode."

try again it's like you are saying the game doesn't have ray tracing in game at all like GT7 with it's 2D trees crowd lol.

"
Turn 10 has clearly calibrated the game around hitting high frame-rates consistently on console hardware, and to achieve 60fps gameplay with two RT effects on Series X is a bit of an accomplishment."

"it's clear that Forza Motorsport is an impressive-looking racing game. There are intricate car models, detailed and well-lit tracks, with ray-traced reflections."

[VariantAEC]

@PrinceOfAnger
Driveclub used SSR on everything and managed to also include it on car bodies. Go back and look at footage of opponents passing eachother... oh, what's that? They show up in reflections on body paintwork! That was on PS4 without modern raytracing. SSR is technically a form of RT, but it gets complicated especially as most see raytracing in SSR and modern GPU accelerated raytracing as completely differently due to Nvidia's misuse of the terminology.

Raycasting, raymarching, raytracing, and pathtracing what even is the difference? Not much in all actuality, and Driveclub uses two of those techniques. Fully volumetric raymarched clouds and raycasting into screen-space for both glossy and diffuse surfaces, which is more than what FM23 does. Driveclub also manages some form of AO that functions like more expensive HBAO and realtime GI, which is handled via dynamic probe lighting (and is extremely expensive to the point that, realtime RT is actually a time saver in terms of classical rasterized rendering on GPUs).

GT7 is not as visually accomplished as Driveclub either (despite running in a native 4K at 60FPS without RT and 4K30 with RT). That said, Forza Motorsport 23 falls well short of GT7 on PS4 visually speaking and even in terms of.output resolutions XSX is still looking a bit weak next to GT7 on PS4 Pro. Turn 10 also, just seemed to discover refraction and even so rear reflection and refraction isn't being handled well on anything in FM23. GT7 HID headlights are absolutely beautiful (lit or unlit) and FM23 can't touch the accuracy of GT7's shader quality not just on headlights, but that extends all materials. FM23 just looks wrong.

Then we have this: https://youtu.be/Cu1pj1aKPn...
Seriously, who looks at FM23 as realistic when at no point and in no area does it actually look closer to reality. GT7 in these comparisons with real life, sweeps the chimny with FM23, then throws it in the dumpster. That is putting things nicely, F123 looks more realistic than FM23.

What did turn 10 do with that 6 years? Pick each others noses?

[VariantAEC]

https://youtu.be/Cu1pj1aKPn...
The above comparison looks at FM23 car models. And also tracks which includes real world images for comparison. GT7 vs real life vs FM23. Which one wins... real life of course... but of the two games GT7, obviously. Don't think so?

[purple101]

See how when you corner in Forza the back end slips out immediately, yeah that doesn't happen in real life.

You need to increase throttle… drastically, or give it the 'scandi flick' for that to happen.

[SICKINDIVIDUAL]

When you upgrade the exhaust in Forza the car sounds EXACTLY the same.

It's the little things for me.

[badz149]

And the sim element is so real to life, your car keeps being upgraded the more you drive it it's crazy that car manufacturers have all hide this awesome feature from all of us all this time just so they can sell us new cars! My MPV is now clocked at over 180k km, I should be the king of the Nurburgring by now!

[kingPoS]

Yeah.. I can attest to that. In GT7 It's particularly noticeable in one make races. Most cpu opponents would be naturally aspirated, some might be super charged or turbo charged. But when it comes to the muffler notes themselves, they're as distinct as they are varied.

Gateway MT6706 2008

[FPS_D3TH]

So that depends entirely on whether the car is RWD, FWD or AWD. You would only Scandinavian flick an under steering FWD car. Losing grip around corners in a RWD car is in fact very real lmfaoo

[purple101]

I get what you say

However consider scandi flicking only really works on rear wheel drive cars unless it's ken block driving. He'll, try it on a Toyota Yaris next time your out.. ha

This is because the weight is in the front, with nothing weighing down the back end.

The drive shaft and rear axle weighs more in a rear wheel drive car, enabling this

Whatever, what I'm actually saying is this phenomenon is over exaggerated on this Forza, whether that's fwd rwd or awd.

When you turn a FRONT wheel drive honda civic, the back end does not immediately slide out like it's shown in these videos recently. The physics are not correct.

Anyway I'm gonna do my very best to stop defending or bashing one game or another when that doesn't need to happen.

"Only a lie needs defending, the truth speaks for itself"

[sagapo]

The end doesn’t slip out, it’s the chase camera that turns a bit, compared to GT which has a more static chase camera.
I drive with bump cam (most sense of speed) and you will notice and feel the car doesn’t slip out.
Kireth (youtube channel) explains this.

[VariantAEC]

The Ermz video someone above linked shows that Kireth is both a liar and a moron. See Ermz shows the same s••• happening... in cockpit view!

[tbagmonster]

boring vs boring, both put me to sleep

[anast]

It's hard to believe that Forza looks that bad compared to the competition. This was supposed to be an Xbox staple. They just might lose their racing fans.

[babadivad]

Not sure we watched the same video...

[VariantAEC]

Pretty sure we did. Destin must not get a lot of time to drive in real life. It is pretty clear that he has watched a grand total of zero real life races as well for him to claime FM23 looks better.

[Reaper22_]

Forza is the better game. Has been for years. That's not to say GT isn't good. It is but Forza has surpassed it. Turn 10 did a excellent job.

[CML2]

Why does it have a lower metacritic average than GT7?

[darthv72]

review bombing... just like GT7 user rating being a 2.7.

[CML2]

Rwview bombing? 😂
Im not talking about the user reviews.

[Reaper22_]

Because it only has half the reviews. But im not shocked about that. Metacritic is all over the place. Even the 10 Forza got from a review featured on this page isn't included in the metacritic average. I'm sure that's on purpose but it doesn't matter because the people who are playing it are praising it. The game is fantastic for me so far. I love it

[darthv72]

...yes, review bombing. Its not limited to just user reviews. There are going to be some outfits who just dont like MS/XB or whatever game they put out. And they make published reviews that go towards the overall score. And i mentioned user scores as an example of how things can get twisted by those who really have nothing better to do than just try and bring down anything that is popular.

[Neonridr]

imagine basing your argument on metacritic.

[ironmonkey]

They can't accept lost regardless, we try our best to make last place feel better by saying don't worry you'll get em next time.

[CML2]

Imagine being so paranoid as to think theres some conspiracy that the critics are out to purposely score Xbox games lower than what they deserve.

[Babadook7]

"imagine basing your argument on metacritic."

What is the argument based on then, personal opinion? That's not an argument. CML2 gets the W here.

[ManMarmalade]

I just want another Ridge Racer ):

[SICKINDIVIDUAL]

Ridge Racer started it all.

[stonecold3]

dayona usa

[Destiny1080]

apparently rendering a single cone would have been two much for xbox to handle, thankfully it can handle, two decade old ridge racer models

[jjb1981]

I'm not really a fan of either but GT7 in VR mode with a Thrustmaster T248 racing wheel and a foldable setup is awesome. Don't get me wrong, in pancake mode, Forza does some things better but to be able to play in VR mode is an entirely different experience. I think each have their own strengths and weaknesses but GT7 in VR is my go-to when I feel like racing.

[darthv72]

VR is the only redeeming factor for GT7. For everything else... there's Motorsport.

Forza, it's everywhere you want to be.

[ApocalypseShadow]

You can't compare both racers without comparing the entire game. Cars, features, everything. He doesn't. He also compares 30fps to 60fps to make Forza look comparable. Forza doesn't have 120fps mode as well.

Saying VR is the only redeeming thing about GT7 is bullshit. And you know it. He could have easily tried it before his second video. He doesn't.

The funny thing is that all those other years when you guys rode the review train on Forza, now that it is reviewed less than GT, you guys start making excuses. For a "from the ground up" next gen title compared to a cross gen one. And the cross gen game is beating it.

Why embarrass yourself. Lol

[repsahj]

That beautiful sunset he mentions is also possible to replicate in GT7. He just didn't choose the right time of day.

[MaximusPrime_]

Gran Turismo 7 is the obvious overall winner of racing simulator game.

If you want a real sense of speed, braking, engine feel, gripping feel (all thanks to duelsense haptic vibrations), GT7 is the one.

[OptimusDK]

Is this the one where dustin fucked up the gamna lighting on Forza ?

[babadivad]

He fixed it in a later video.

[Rhythmattic]

Sorry.. But as a console release , VR on the PS5 itself, says hold my phlegm

[Doomeduk]

Just watch kireths or super GT uploads to see the ramming makes Forza more on par with mario kart than GT 7

[Moonman]

Gran Turismo 7 is the GOAT. I have never liked the art of Forza or the odd looking cars. This Forza looks washed out and generic at times. Who are these idiots trying to convince? Xbox users are trashing Forza, not PlayStation fans. They dislike the game! Show Gran Turismo 7 in all its glory.....show every track, every car...every FEATURE...show VR.....they don't want that TRUTH!

[gold_drake]

wait, they compared 30 fps forza to 60 fps gt7 ?

wut lol.
cant make that shit up.

[DaniMacYo]

Forza is f'ing trash and belongs in the bin.

GT7 is the more enjoyable game. The graphics are second to none on the console. They didn’t even need RT to make the game look good. The physics are by far more enjoyable and believable, the sounds are better, and the overall game is better.

The other one will have you levelling up cars over and over till you die of boredom. The cars behave like toys, with zero attention to detail on the cars and the force feed. The GOAT looks photo realistic, and the force feed back feels fantastic on both the controller and wheel.

One are fat donut eating US dev team who are the laziest bunch of lying “built from the ground up” recycling old assets tossers I’ve ever seen. That’s Xbox for you.

The other are Japanese, Susi eating dev team taking a million years to create one thing with the most impressive attention to detail I’ve seen in a console racing game. It takes forever but it’s worth it in the end. You can appreciate what they create.

[PhillyDonJawn]

Forza stay beating GT

[Rhythmattic]

Yeh.. Car racing games, in VR , on a Console is awesome, yeh ?
.... Oh wait....

[SpoonyBlueMage]

Nice review and a fair outcome