GTR Writes: "Roundtable discussion at Hot97 FM with Godfree (Gamertag Radio), Soldier X (Talking About Games) & Tat Wza (IFWT): Tablets or gaming consoles?"
Shahmeer from eXputer: "The new Xbox strategy to go multi-platform could eventually change console gaming as we know it, and I am concerned."
Can we stop pretending that Xbox has any great influence over the console market?
All they can do is try and steer their own Destiny. They have very little to do with what the other players in the console market are doing.
And yes, going 3rd party is pretty much their only option and is good for them.
Still whatever little direct competition they're offering against Sony ... that'd be gone, which is never good for consumers.
I know Sony will continue to apease the gamers but without any proper competition in same space, they might not work at the fullest efficiency.
(Taking into account, thats generally been agreed here, that Nintendo has long been not the direct competitor to either MS or Sony)
I mean, yes, it was an Activision, Blizzard, Bethesda presentation, they just so happened to buy all of those publishers, nothing we would not have seen on any other award show if they had not bought developers that were and STILL are developing multiplatform games.
If you remove them you are left with Microsoft game studios, another Fable, Another Gears, Perfect Dark which for me didn't look all that great, Avowed, Age of mythology and south of midnight (might be missing something I guess)
No better than any other show. There weren't any major new announcements, which is what everyone has been complaining about. The bar shouldn't get lowered for a trillion dollar company.
"another Fable, another Gears, Perfect Dark"?
That's a lot of pretty great "anothers".
I could use a few of those "anothers" from Sony right now.
anast,
"All these games are coming to PS5."
Very disingenuous statement... Some, but not all.
Oh, so that is the new narrative, "sub-show for Sony." lol, wow.
The sad part is that you are clearly and fully aware that it is very unlikely for any 1hr and 30min gaming presentation show to showcase ALL Exclusives, it just doesn't happen.
And don't you think it sad that MS had a better Sony showing than Sony? If I were you, I wouldn't consider that a flex, lol.?
None of us really know how much they're going third party. They're still ACTING like they want to protect the platform - no mention of PS5 in their show, still marketing the console, still using the Xbox logo.
Yeah Phil acknowledged more is coming to PS5. But is that Indiana Jones? Perfect Dark? Gears?
If they keep those key properties in their stable it's not accurate to label them as simply 3rd party.
They may very well still be in the game after all...
We need to stop pretending like Xbox matters and has any influence in the industry.
By entering the industry, Microsoft made it worst, everything bad in the industry can be tied to them (like paid online and DLCs). The industry would be better off if they had never been in it.
Before you say Sony would have no competition, they would still have PC and Nintendo. As they are right now, Microsoft are not competition, they don't actually matter.
I think you're mostly right. They've been failing on console and will most likely drop out.
But the concern a lot of us had was that they would use their $ to win monopolistically. They've already bought a huge number of big studios. Going multi-platform would alleviate that concern.
But they could still turn the screws, this game isn't over quite yet... They're sending mixed signals.
I think in Xbox’s direness it is, but let’s not pretend like they don’t understand the value of exclusiveness to their platform. Not every damn Xbox game is coming to PS5 and the stuff that has hit have either been GaaS games or games that didn’t exactly sell gamgbusters and are extremely niche.
When Halo, Gears, Forza, Perfect Dark, Fable, etc. start coming to PS5 then that’s pretty massive and also diminishes any reason to own an Xbox.
Doom isn't niche. It was heavily implied that all Bethesda games, outside of games with contractual agreements and the existing multiplayer games, would all be exclusive to Xbox.
Ok, sorry, Doom is the exception.
My point is Xbox is still keeping exclusives for their bigger games. What’s been released are GaaS: Sea of Thieves, Grounded aka Honey I Shrunk the Kids, and then niche stuff like Pentiment and Hi-Fi Rush. Then you got Doom coming out, which is an outlier, I suppose.
It's not niche but it's not everything.
MS has got a HUGE cache of IP and studios now
It's the only decision. Hardware sales are on a sharp decline and Game Pass growth has stagnated.
Xbox writes: "Join us for a double feature on June 9, 10am PT - Xbox Games Showcase immediately followed by Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 Direct. The Xbox Games Showcase is your look at the new games from Xbox Game Studios, Activision, Blizzard, Bethesda, as well as our partners from around the globe. Immediately following the Showcase, stay tuned for Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 Direct for a special deep-dive into the beloved franchise."
I'll be honest, if they don't announce some major shit, this could be the nail in the coffin.
If I hear about major 1st party titles going multiplatform, it's over.
They need to build the brand trust right now. A lot of damage has been done.
We need bangers, AND some news about next Gen.
It's just started 4 games in and it's already been a fantastic show.
This is gonna be the best showcase in years
So far this is a great show, and mostly all GamePass games? Looks like the bangers are finally coming!
Investments finally paying off.
Now they need new hardware so they can start over
At this rate, best show of the last 2-4 years, been an absolute bangerrrrr so far!!!
Agreed. Way better then what Sony did and has done. Those multiplayer games really fked Sony over for a few years. Xbox showed off some good looking stuff. I'm most interested in state of decay 3.
@obcured:”BEST XBOX SHOWCASE EVER!!!!”
You need at least 10real people to agree in writing with you for anyone here believing you after saying the same thing year over year for the last 10+ years.
Now that I finished watching the show for me personally it was a ok as I don’t play FP games but that’s just me and I can recognize that for people that like FPG it’s a amazing show so ENJOY them.
Another thing and I hope for Microsoft sake they don’t do their next system digital only based on the S sales over the X, I hope they’ll learn the lesson of not making a lower power version just to try to undercut their competitor.
Metal gear 3 looked sweet.
Overall a lot of pretty games CONGRATS to all Xbox gamers this is what you deserve year over year 👍✨
Only thing I missed was Clockwork Revolution...
And what happened to Everwild? Liked the art style.
Very certain Perfect Dark will show up. fable showing up and 2025 release date.
Unpopular opinion here but INL think Final Fantasy 16 will release on Xbox. I dunno if it'll be on Gamepass but I think it's going to other platforms now.
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Time to see what amazing games Xbox Game Studios has been cooking for us, boys!!!
THE HYPE IS REAL!!!
I'm glad Microsoft had a great show. Hopefully this show potentially wakes up Sony and Nintendo. Competition is good for the industry. We don't need publishers and developers to get comfortable and get lazy on us. Keep them thinking and on their toes
Absolutely agree, many of the games shown are also coming to PS5 (despite MS hiding other platforms from the reveals) but the genuine exclusive all look great. Nintendo will obviously continue to carve it's own path and will be very busy with the Switch 2, but Sony and PlayStation really needs to pull it's socks up and start bringing out the big guns or people are going to start losing faith. Hopefully the rumours of a big PlayStation Experience show later this year are true.
The main knock on Sony is that there haven't been any major first party announcements. Xbox does a show with no major announcements.
This showcase was great. Not just a great Xbox showcase but in general the best one this year so far.
I'm tuned in now. I can't say I've ever been big in to Xbox, but I got myself a Series S when it launched. Can't say I've used it much but I'm intrigued to see what's in the pipeline.
Here is the start date and time for the Xbox Games Summer Showcase 2024 with bundles of exciting leaks and how to watch.
10AM PT/1PM ET/6PM london time.
on June 9th.
this is so odd. we had ps before the summer fest and now xbox after.
Summer Fest and the Sony show were both crap, let's hope Microsoft and Ubisoft shows are decent.
(the way this is going, I'm not asking for good/great shows, simply asking for decent shows...)
I miss E3.
State of Play is a 30 minute sizzle reel. It is not meant to compete with the yearly Xbox showcase.
best e3 was when they showcased breath of the wild with the nintendo tree people i watched that quite a few times ha.
I'm definitely of the mind that d4 was complete crap at release...but the state of it right this moment is not complete crap. They've simplified a lot which actually helped their overtly stupid itemization.
End game content is still kind of stupid but at least progression and itemization is better.
@crows90
Maybe but it is still boring. It might be a little bit better but it is not a good game.
Xbox had typically kept the old e3 dates alive it seems to always fall on Queens / Kings birthday holiday in Aus only reason I've noticed as it used to be a day off to engross myself in e3 showcases but nowadays it's nothing
The rumor is 30 games with a nearly 2 hour show. I hope so I, been saying they need to go balls to the wall with their showcase. That's according to Grubb again. Yeah a huge pinch of salt he's only been wrong or half right about some stuff.
There's also suppose to be a Wu Tang Clan game that's a kungfu action RPG featuring the legendary hip hop group New Yorks own Wu Tang Clan. You read right Wu Tang Clan kungfu action RPG.
Sounds weird, random and quirky but hey I'm down to see it.
State of decay 3 info is leaking on twitter!
Looks good. Personally don’t play horror/ zombie games, but I appreciate it’s a good game so that’s a win for Xbox fans.
Lord knows they need a win at the moment
Appreciate the concern, but I think we'll be just fine. Hope you all enjoy tomorrow's show.
"The rumor is 30 games with a nearly 2 hour show. I hope so I, been saying they need to go balls to the wall with their showcase."
MS had the best showcases in the last few years.
This year, the bar is so low with those last showcases, that imo, MS and Ubisoft doesn´t even need to make much of an effort to beat them.
"That's according to Grubb again. Yeah a huge pinch of salt he's only been wrong or half right about some stuff."
Grubb was right about the last State of Play. Just a few days for the end of the month, he´d continued and insisted that it was going to happen. And he was right! Sony made a last minute announcement for whatever reason, but the guy was spot on.
Grubb was only half right. He only got the month down, which was late last month for a PS event but wrong on it being a PS showcase.
Half right at best. He's still not that credible these days. He definitely wasn't spot on.
Grubb has been pretty spot on in his comments regarding showcases. You can tell he's not guessing, he knows in advance.
Microsoft has had the best showcases for the last 3-4 years. The problem with Microsoft and the Xbox division is their reputation and trademark around the world. That's what's really affecting them.
Hopefully not knowing most games shown will be multiplats & some eventually multiplats.
The presentation is going to be the painful part. There might be some good games though.
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You can always make a drinking game out of it for every time they say the words "Made for a modern audience".
Replies(3)You'd think that every now and then even these dispassionate fools may do a good job...they've disappointed every single year since before release of Xbox one....that's a really long streak of disappointments...lol
For sure. they have the money to put on a top tier show, but I'm afraid it will look like an event where super rich people are noticeably trying to be cheap. And they have this strange smile like they know they are trying o get over on people. It just makes for an awkward and tasteless showing.
I hope it's a good showing knowing most games that will be shown will be multiplats & XB timed exclusives that'll eventually become multi-plats.
It is what it is at this point.
At least the good games will have a chance to be bought, take advantage of the superior DualSense, and *maybe* give those studios a better shot at survival.
They'll also have better shadows, and run with higher dynamic res on the PS5 Pro.
So if they're multiplat would you suddenly like Xbox games?
You never have before you've made that clear several times over.
My point is what I said. You don't like Xbox games, you've said it repeatedly. So would you suddenly like Xbox games if they were available on PS5.
I won't take anything these guys say seriously simply because of their hats.
Deerstalkers, Bowlers, Stovepipes, and Tophats are acceptable. A monocle wouldn't hurt.
Silly gansta' caps however just make me think of Dappy from N-Dubz and then my thoughts turn to violence.
And continuing the hat theme , if a deerstalker is a console and a gansta' cap is a tablet there is only one winner.
Darthv72, You didn't think I was being serious did you?
Please say no.
from a convenience POV I see tablets offering more for the gamer 'IF' they can be connected to a TV and allow for traditional controls.
Granted there will always be the question of technical specifications but we are at a point (or close to it) where you just cant get any better than photo realism. So once the hardware has achieved that mark, what is left to keep pushing the industry forward?
My guess would be more ways to interact with the games. We have been gaming the same way for 30+ years. Someone has to come along to shake things up. A convergence of mobility and stationary gaming seems the natural progression of things.
Thing is, there is allot of perception on the company that is willing to take that risk. If it isnt the right company then obviously the device will get panned and ridiculed for trying to do something different. If it is the right company then it will get praised for being a change of pace that millions of gamers will embrace.
Who will be the one to do it and can it be done in a cost effective manner?
Casual tablet apps are not touching core games. Firstly because they are missing a big screen tv, surround sound, game controller, and headset. Secondly, because the gameplay is very basic. Angry Birds = Gorillas, Tank Wars, Worms, or any number of flash games you can play for free online. That’s the reason why, as they said in the interview, tablet games cost at most $9.99. Tablets have consoles beat on number of games and price, but you can’t compare the 2 because they are too far behind on immersion and depth of gameplay. A lot of people will end up buying both because they are very different styles of gaming.
I can't believe people still believe battery-powered mobile CPUs and GPUs can even come *close* to competing with their power hungry brethren.
Anyone who even suggests so is instantly branded "ignorant sheep", in my eyes. Don't even get me started on the lack of a serious control interface.
.99 or 9.99 look as good as the 360/ps3, what a 1000 ton load of crap. There is no tablet game that has the depth and gameplay as a AAA console title.
They are dazed and confused