This Is Why PC Will Always Be Ahead Of Consoles

PC vs. Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 - stop the argument now! Here is the ultimate proof why PC will always be ahead of the consoles. Check the story!

[Inside_out]

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I think that comparing PC's and consoles is like comparing apple's and oranges. The PC has no defined parameters. NO TWO PC gamers will experience the same thing...o_0...They can show you Avatar like animation and say it's done a PC...lol...Where's the game??? What kind of specs does the PC have??? How many PC gamers will ever even see it run like that and at what cost??? I would argue very few.

The recent Epic " next gen " Samaritan demo ran on 3, yes THREE Nvidia graphic cards ( 580's ) that cost a combined $1,500...O_o...not including the processor and whatever else they had stuffed in there. How does that scale???

The consoles are a closed system. Whatever game you play on a PS3/360 or Wii will look the same and play the same for that fanbase...no optimizing necessary or REQUIRED.

It's great that some devs out there support the mod community and that there is a community of gamers that like to tinker day and night with there games and if you seen LBP, Halo Forge and Far Cry 2 for example, there is also some mod like creativity available on consoles.

[Gray-Fox-Type0]

Nicely said . No one cares or is bothered about specs and normal people its to much of a hassle. Nice graphics sure, But building a rig that can do those much more frustrating then popping a disc into a console and playing.

[BlackKnight]

I hate hearing this. Any gamer that has gaming as their main hobby can stop with this mentality of "I just want to put a disc in" and actually use their brain. Building a PC is not hard at all, it is AMAZINGLY simple once you learn it all, it can be taught in a day.

It is 2011 and so many people are yelling at game developers for being "lazy" dealing with complexities beyond their comprehension but then can't even figure how to put a simple PC together because they are lazy. Seriously people, learning something is rewarding. Building a PC is simpler than building actually making a mod.

Make a hobby out of it (a simple hobby at that) and prepare for a GREAT gaming experience.

[Gray-Fox-Type0]

PC don't even have any good exclusive games so why even bother they have multiplatform games with better graphics BIG DEAL.

Crysis is coming to consoles awwww...so sad PC has no games. Witcher 2 coming to consoles awww so sad PC no games. Go to highest rated games on PC on metacritic all of them are on consoles too.

mods are pretty cool though they add replay value to your favourite games, and some of the things are incredible that i have seen.

[slayorofgods]

How can you call yourself a gamer and not care about specs?

If you don't understand how computers work that is fine. But in 2011, with a young generation fully ingrained with computers, many people will disagree with that statement.

[TheDivine]

I decided to build myself a decent rig. Ive always been a console gamer because of the exclusives and its cheap and easy. Pc has some really great games i feel im missing out on and seing games i want that cost 10 on xbl, 15 on psn only cost 2 bucks on steam, i want one lol. Its more expensive now but i buy tons of games so its cheaper in the long run. I dont care about specs, im dropping 4-500ish on a tower (use my tv for monitor) and thats that. Il get a graphics card that can run any game i want on decent settings and im happy. Pcs are the shi*, upgradable, free games, cheape games, mods exc. Im going to enjoy playing all the ps2 jrpgs i missed in hd, starcraft 2, diablo 3, stalker, the witcher, i cant wait. I was saving for the vita but thats looking like it wont be til next year.

[Moragami]

"PC don't even have any good exclusive games so why even bother they have multiplatform games with better graphics BIG DEAL. "

Well, you totally missed the point. I'm sure it's something you're totally used to, and completely unaware of.

Exclusives? Not that it's even relevant, as I don't care that I can play something you can't, or vice-versa. It's the gaming experience that matters to real gamers, not some badge that says, "I buy the best console because I am smarter than everybody else".

P.S.> BF3 is a PC exclusive, consoles aren't getting the same game at all.

[MaxXAttaxX]

...look very close to the console version.

Seems like this website isn't aware of using Crysis as the default game for arguing about graphics. LOL

Sure, PC versions are higher res and whatnot. But come on. It's all about the mods. Otherwise is nearly the same sh** for multiplatform games.

[moparful99]

Ok instead of mud slinging and making assumptions about the character of other gamers why not try and understand why they feel the way they do?

I love console games not because its easier and all that jazz, not for graphics, nor for performance.. I love console gaming because I have been gaming on conssoles since I was 4 years old... My earliest memories are of a nes with my dad playing classic games that gave birth to the generations of gamers who now make the games we play....

I've played pc games and honestly they just don't have the same connections that I have with console games.. Can you mod the snot out of a pc rather easily and cheapily achieving mind blowing performance? Yes you can but thats not why people play games..

Specs are just bullet points for needless arguments such as this.. Most of us play games because we grew up playing them, its is an indelible part of our culture and lives..

[Moragami]

C'mon Moparful, nobody wants to hear your life story, staying up all night playing NES. Good for you.

This article is about why PC's kick consoles asses all over the place, and i's not even about specs, controls or graphics (though those are 3 more great reasons), it's about user made content, PC games that have been completely overhauled into new experiences. Sure the examples they provide are mostly cosmetic, but that just scratches the surface.

PC's rule consoles are old and appeal to the LOWEST common denominator. It's got nothing to do with your sappy memoirs.

[zero_gamer]

Gray-Fox-Type0, I have no hard feelings for you. But with much respect, I disagree with your post (didn't click on the disagree button though).

I wouldn't speak for those that would prefer to game on a PC over a console. You said no one cares or is bothered about specs, well we have a lot of PC gamers that do care about specs. We even have a lot of console gamers that bash Nintendo's consoles for the specs. You also mention it being a hassle to build a rig, well you can buy a manufactured rig, a pre-built rig at a local computer shop or buy all the ingredient parts and have a friend build the resulting PC for you. Seriously, why pay $60 for an inferior version of the game that plays/looks much better AND smoother on PC? Why pay more for less? See the problem with console versions? PC is well respected for many reasons.

[Pixel_Enemy]

It will all be over soon. When we get fiber wire Internet that can download 1GB a second... Cloud gaming like onlive will take over and the hardware will be connected to a server that we stream at blazing fast speeds. the most amazing visuals will be processed on their end and streamed right to you. You will never have to upgrade your hardware.

[Matpan]

@ BlacKnight... couldn´t agree more. People spend hours speaking about SPUs, dedicated and shared RAM, pixel shaders and the sort about their console of choice but fail to assemble the few hardware parts and plug the cables that take to get a computer running... seems a little contradictory.

And again, the super valued rig point arises. Nowadays it´s not THAT expensive to build a PC that will play most games at high settings and FULL HD... something NO ACTUAL CONSOLE DOES. So YES, it is a FACT from a technical point of view and in terms of raw power and capabilities PC is and will allways be one if not several steps ahead.

I am a happy console gamer, having owned almost every console to date since the 8 bit era and yet I have NEVER ceased to game on my pc. I rarely play a shooter in other platform than PC, except the console exclusive ones... and when a given game gets a release on all platforms at the same time I will probably choose the pc version... Consoles I tend to use for their respective exclusives and to game when friends come arround (which is quite often) as consoles tend to put that easiear and more accesible than PCs...

But... Cmon... humans must be getting more stupid if "building a PC" is now rocket science. we are headed for idiocracy :P

[awi5951]

@Moragami

The pc exclusives that go to consoles look like crap in comparison so it doesnt matter. You got a port yay for you it still sucks. You really shouldnt be proud of a worthless clone of a pc classic its really funny.Your a joke to us pc gamers. We couldn't care less about you! Your tech is old, your Ai is brainless,your lighting isnt realtime, and your AA is nonexistent we couldn't careless about crappy console ports.

[abang]

A decent PC rig which an play most games at max settings is around $500 (mine was at least).

You also have to realize that that same gaming rig is also your own personal computer which you can watch, browse the net, do work, etc. In my case, I switched to pc for gaming because at the time, my laptop KOed and need a new computer. SO basically, the cash you cough is not SOLELY for gaming.

Besides, a gaming cpu is alot like a console, where you could just sit on your couch and play.

I am currently playing
Starcraft 2
Oblivion(trust me its a DIFFERENT game with mods)
Crysis 2 DX11
FF12 IZJS, Okami, Shadow of colosus on PSCX2(ff12 in 1080p ^_^)
One piece Unlimited and Monster Hunter Tri on Dolphin emu

All on my 36 inch HDTV with a controller..with firefox and powerpoint for work, on tabs..

[DarkFantasy]

actually the PC has alot of games that are not on any console,just to name a few Tottal War,Diablo,WOW,Star Wars:The Old Republic,Starcraft,company of heros,the witcher,Planescape: Tormen, and lots more!!!! i could fill up this whole comment section..i have a good PC so i don't need to mess around with hardware and software for a while yeah i could update my graphics card but i don't need to i can play all games on max settings,building a "rig" is easy with sites like newegg hell there are youtube videos that show you how to build a pc if you don't believe it's that easy,

I game on both PC and PS3 and i think you really need to have that combo to get the best of both worlds tho lately i have been on my PC more because i'm addicted to Tottal War: Shogun 2,really awesome game!! i would give it a 10/10 i am really enjoying it!!.

[Gray-Fox-Type0]

@ Zero_Gamer

Thanks , Maybe my posts has come on abit harsh so sorry for any offense caused. I use to play PC games along time ago, Such as Unreal , Quake , Alot of strategy games such as Total War, Command & Conquer , Empire Earth , Black & White , Half Life and those old but fun theme games ! :D remember Theme Park , Theme hospital lol

But as time passed my new desktop got old and couldn't run all the new games coming out lol So I always prefered consoles. Yes I have looked at pre built gaming rigs, from retailers, but these probably are nothing compared to the ones PC gamers build and saw the Alien PCs which I think are crazy powerful? Am i right? but one thing they are HUGELY expensive and costly. Alien PCs are like £2000..

I would like to get back into PC gaming and play with all those mods i look at and say " wow that is amazing " but where on earth you start...I have all consoles this generation and I play incredible games on them, yes they may be visually less impressive ( but there is no denying some console games look incredible too, Gears , Uncharted , Killzone , Crysis 2 , upcomign RAGE etc ) but hey end of the day they look fine , people only notice the difference when there is a comparison. To me there is no incentive to play PC games, and i can experience gaming at its best with surround sound, large TV and a console easily. Maybe someday...though..

[IcarusOne]

Ah, Sony fanboys: proving they can't handle truth since 2006.

[BlackKnight]

@Winter47th

Why are you thankful? Does having the ability to make your own levels, characters, models, etc bother you?

[JayD-1K]

I know that it's not on the level of PC's but, the PS3 has all those thing as well!

Sony tried to promote the MOD community by using UT to TRY and start a trend!

it's a start at least.

[kramun]

The mods had to be made on a pc before they could be used on the ps3. Hardly a shining light of modding for the ps3 Jay. You can't just make a mod on the ps3, you need a pc first.

[fatstarr]

first off samaritian demo was years ahead of anything on the market right now.

a 8800gtx which you can find for 30$ and can be put into almost any desktop will provide you with next gen graphics on a 1280×720 resolution.

its a myth that you need power for great graphics.

you need power for crazy graphics running on dual monitors at insane resolutions.

you can compare the 2.

[CernaML]

I kept hearing Jeremy Clarkson's voice whenever I read "power."

[HardCover]

There are a lot of mainstream builds.

Any idea how many gamers have an i5 or PII x4 with a 5770 or a 460? A lot.

It's not like the majority of PC gamers are purposely buying obscure and expensive parts for the sake of "individuality" or something... Two company's for GPU, two for CPU, patches and drivers to fill in the holes.....

Not a complicated system to work around.

[BlackKnight]

Especially since Windows will udpate your video card drivers and even the video card drivers have auto update alerts, both nvidia and Ati.

It's easier than ever to be a PC gamer.

[Matpan]

Yup... and you don´t even need the latest family of CPUs to get things going nicely... I still have a Quadcore (you get em quite cheap today)... All I upgraded was my videocard from a 9800 to a 580gtx two months ago and BAM I can suddenly play all DX11 games all maxes out and in over HD resolutions... That´s the beauty of it... you don´t even need to spend all the money together and if you buy wisely you are likely to get a rig that with minor tweaks and upgrades will get going for quite some years...

Consoles rarely get such treats. You are, in 99% of the cases, set with the same hardware till the next generation leap... That being said, I love my consoles as much as my pc. After all, it´s about the games..

[pumpactionpimp]

Core i5 2400-$180
8th ddr3 1600-$110
Msi ati 5770 x2-140
650w pwr supply-60
1 tb hdd-59
Asus p8p67-185

This is my set up, and I over payed on something's because I wanted them NOW! This rig doesnt stutter or hiccup in frame rate in any game I've played so far.

I play bf/bc2
Crysis wo/mods (right now)
Oblivion
Civ 5
Farcry 2
Sins of a solar empire
CSS
Team fortress 2
Stalker

And others.
I payed 600 for the ps3 @ launch. So paying around 700 for this, you can't even compare. My next gen is here.

[slayorofgods]

"THREE Nvidia graphic cards ( 580's ) that cost a combined $1,500"

Now that is just insane. I have one radeon 5770 for a combined 130 dollars and am still ahead of consoles.

[Theonetheonly]

i came from a 5750 and it iced the old boxes.
and when i had it i knew i was miles ahead.

my 6970 is finally getting a workout with the new patch 1.9 for C2

the 6970 just adds insult to injury. the gap is huge now, all we need are a few guys to really take advantage of this new hardware in a meaningful way, that is why most console users say what they do, ("just better graphics") a generational leap in Gaming will come from a company who cannot even be bothered trying to represent their game on a console because they know it is completely outside the scope of its capability. but that would require a mass change in perspective.

but when people dedicate themselves to that cause you will get your masterpiece.

[Hanif-876]

Wow, i couldn't of said it better myself!

[afterMoth]

"NO TWO PC gamers will experience the same thing...o_0"

Not even remotely true. Plenty of people have the exact same PC set up.

[cyguration]

Dang Samaritan only ran on three 580s?!?!

DUDE, think about that for ONE second and you'll know why it's a good thing. That could have very well passed for a big budget movie.

If you can run movie-quality graphics for about $2,000 then I'm not going to complain. It really shows a HUGE step in how advanced software/middleware has come in the past generation.

I don't look at it as "Ah, I'll never be able to afford a system like that" it's more about gamers almost getting to the point where they can afford systems that can handle movie-quality games. That's a good thing.

[likedamaster]

Title should be, why Mods are good. Not that BS. DA2 actually looked worse on PC(I have it). No real good examples. Fail, but keep fighting the fight. Boycott anyone?

[jaih27]

My 2 year old CPU can run ICenhancer on GT4 without any hickups and it was a $549.99 rig at that time. As consoles become more expensive, they will have to adopt a style of being able to switchout parts or fall behind, in which case there will be all kinds of companies putting it out, and you'll need much optimization. Samaritain was a demo, not a game, so it's not fair to say anything about scale there. Or you'd have to also ask how many PS3's you need to buy and combine to play it.... I can play anything on my 550 dollar USD rig, that's out maxed right now.

[jaih27]

@ winter47, Skyrim will have mod tools, right out've the box.... the devs support this which in turn increases the longevity of the game, and encourages more purchases in the future, when sites like this have news about the next great mod coming for it, really you will see people adding much more mod tools in, in the future as they realise the income potential is much great.... Have fun w/ vanilla skyrim.

[Mr Patriot]

Whoever disagred with inside_out should be shot on sight .... waste of oxygen

[zero_gamer]

God forbid having an opposing opinion on a post. What a crime! /sarcasm

[Ravenor]

Why? He's wrong on several points.

His Samaritan example is bogus, seeing as how that AMAZING looking tech demo was being run on hardware available right now. Expensive sure, but who is to say Nvidia or AMD's next line of cards will require that kind of down payment to experience that?

The rest sounds like him being butthurt over the idea of others having faster PC's.

[squidyj]

Every time someone talks about the performance of the Samaritan demo I want to reach out and smack them. They also stated at the same time that they could probably get it to run on a 560 ti because they hadn't optimized anything for shit yet. There are things done in the demo that are being done in production games (bokeh with custom shape? Crysis 2 can do that, easily) that don't have the same performance cost associated.

Screen Space Subsurface Scattering was another of their new features and that's available in Crysis 2 as well, and displacement mapped tessellation. Battlefield 3 will have that as well for terrain.

Some of the stuff they did with reflections was pretty cool but beyond that?

[zeddy]

here we go again, pc fanboys are like a broken flipping record. we all know pc graphics are better but the games arent. the 360 & ps3 were released 4-5 years ago, how many graphics cards have there been made in those years, you cant upgrade consoles, i wish we could but we cant.

the only game i'd want for consoles thats only for pc would be starcraft 2. and not everyone has the time to play mmo's on pc's all day long.

[SilentNegotiator]

You can always upgrade a PC, and consoles are marketed to SELL (A console with the latest/best tech would cost thousands).

I'll take the AAA games over graphics anyway.

[Caffo01]

you pc guys should just stop promoting m/kb as an incentive to play on pc instead of console...it depends on tastes! i hate playing with mouse and keyboard and yet i don't promote joypad as an incentive to play on console -.-

[DA_SHREDDER]

All I gotta say is Unreal Tournament 3 on ps3, now what pc dorks? Its not like you cant use pc mod tools on consoles, and already games like Portal can cross platform play.

[Ravenor]

None of those mods were developed on the PS3, the mod capabilities were useless without the PC version of the game and the PC version having a large community.

I would also love for you to PM me a list of other PS3 games with the same native M/KB support and mod support. I'm fairly certain that list will be small, maybe if the console version of UT3 sold better other developers would have adopted it.

Portal is a non competitive game, it's already been proven that M/KB vs Controller just leads to butthurt complaining, Shadowrun is a great example of this. Funnily enough they already gimped the Mouse controls in that game.

[Liquid_Ocelot]

I've known this for ages.. and I don't think nobody would disagree with it I mean it's the truth. So, why the f**k do we need an article about it every hour?

That'd be like a somebody saying that MOST console games have a MUCH BETTER **story line** than MOST PC games. (And we all know that's bs, it all comes to personal preference).

Now of you excuse me, I'm out. Have a wonderful day my gaming brothers.

[Eyeco]

PC gaming is the ultimate gaming experience .............................i f your prepared , patient and knowledgeable to handle the ammount of shit will put you through, i prefer consoles for there simplicity and ease of use thats something thats undeniable when comparing consoles and pc's , ease of use.

[Ravenor]

Updating drivers is hard!

[valanceer]

Sounds like all these pc gamers are "butthurt" and talking crap because they cant afford their next $500 graphics fix... guess food and rent should keep ya happy XD

[SkittlesLikesPopcorn]

im happy that even a moron like you who has no idea what he's saying can spout bile on n4g. My gfx card cost 290 (GTX 480), and it is light years ahead of ur console. even if you buy one for 130$ you are still ahead.

but be happy gaming on ur 700$ ps3. See how that works? we both can post bullsh1t.

[Ravenor]

As a Omnigamer, no ones butthurt. The PC has lots of advantages over the consoles, it's just aggravating when people post BS reasons for their platform of choice being better then the another.

The 2000 dollar computer and needing to upgrade every 6 months are great examples of people spouting crap.

[Blooper62]

@Skittles
Yeah maybe a $130 graphics card is more powerful than whats in the PS3 and Xbox 360 but good luck playing a decent game in HD with an acceptable frame rate. Yeah you can go ahead and get a $500 graphics card and think your awesome but point is no one optimises there games for the PC so in reality they aren't crazy better looking than whats on the PS3 or Xbox 360. It shouldn't be that way but thats how it is.

[socomnick]

Blooper thats pretty delusional.

Not only does a 130 dollar graphics card look and play games better then a 360 or ps3, but it also plays with much higher resolutions, much faster 100+ frame rates, further view distances, and higher res textures.

If you make a game on consoles especially these old outdated pos consoles out now you have to make compromises.

[damnyouretall]

i personaly dont have a preference when it comes to hardware. i want every good game ever made. pc gamers have more passion for their hobby, its odvious why. more power to them. pc gamers are the most hardcore gaming fuckers youll ever meet

[SonyPS360]

Short answer, PC is better and more powerful.

[M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L]

Maybe they should rename this article to 'Why fanboys will never stop being fanboys.'. Everyone's bragging about graphics and they seem to be forgetting gameplay is what makes the game too.

[SkittlesLikesPopcorn]

ya and gameplay is best on pc. PC is the only platform that can play ANY genre of games in ANY way you want it. Show me Starcraft 2 (RTS genre) on consoles? consoles cant even do that!

PC's can do:

Keyboard + mouse (best for shooters)
ps3 /360 controller
Racing wheel for racing games
joystick for flying games.

Gameplay is only as good as the controls and pc is the ultimate in that.

[CptFlashHeart]

Fantastic point.

Have a bubble!

[tee_bag242]

As mentioned above. It is like comparing apples and oranges.

I have a 360, PS3 and Quad Core PC that will actually pull off similar graphics on these screen shots here.

PC's usually visually outshine consoles towards the end of their life cycles anyway.. so whats really new here?

Yet I still much prefer the nature of jumping into party chat on my 360 then decided on a game to play with my mates. IMO there is usually more fun for me to be had playing consoles.

[subtenko]

If thats the case how come I cant find alot of games on PC that are on consoles? :( oh yea... thats why I buy consoles too so I can play certain games

So in the end I win, I get to play any games I want, PC and/or console. More game choices for me :)

[KRONie]

2011 PC vs 360 vs PS3 Exclusives lineup

Haters gon' hate.

[firemassacre]

nice headline, that's sure not to cause a flood of fanboys

[nickjkl]

its funny though becuase

they still act like ps3 has one set of specs

its kinda cute

[AKissFromDaddy]

Perfected Doom 3 version 5.0 looks amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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[Pintheshadows]

Ahhh, it's that awesome GTA mod. I have £1237.46. I'm going to build a seriously mental gaming PC. I don't need to spend all that money but frak it.

It was for a car but my new job is a 10 minute walk so to hell with it. I'm out of touch with graphics cards. Could I have some recommendations?

[BlackKnight]

Depends on what you want and what you are playing on. 1 display? do you want to game with multiple displays? Personally I recommend using an HDTV and just doing 1080P with good AA.

[Pintheshadows]

Yeah HDTV for me. What ATi cards are top of the line at the moment? I'm looking to go overboard as I want to futureproof it to a certain extent.

[BlackKnight]

Well personally, I don't like multi-GPU configurations because you run into compatibility issues when games first come out sometimes, so I like going very high end SINGLE GPU. Best thing ATi has right now that is single GPU is the 6970, AND it is priced VERY attractively (Around 350 American dollars for well known brands.) The next best card (before going multi-card) is the Ati 6990, which is actually a dual GPU, single card design. It is notorious for its loud fan (very loud) but it is the faster solution, also pricey and rare right now.

However, (I both like ati and nvidia, competition is good) the Nvidia GTX 570 can be found for about 320 American dollars and is a tad faster than the Ati, 6970. I would recommend the 570 simply because its around 5-7% faster and is also cheaper.

Edit, also, you can get the 570 now, and make sure you get a motherboard and power supply that can support a second 570. But for now just get the one 570. And as time goes on and you hit a game that you just NEED to have maxed out, you go and buy another 570 for cheaper (since time has passed) and you practically double your graphics horsepower. Another method of future proofing.

[slayorofgods]

I'm not sure if the cross fire (two graphics cards) motherboards is really that important. It does not double your graphic performance, it is only marginally better. One 6970 or one GTX 570 should do the trick.

It is more important to have a good processor, a i5 or i7 quad core processor or a amd quad core to support the graphics, 3+ cores is very important to today's games.

Also, future gaming is going in a 64 bit direction so go with 4 - 8 gigs of memory.

[iamgoatman]

@slayorofgods

"It does not double your graphic performance, it is only marginally better."

Not true at all, maybe you should take a look at some benchmarks running multi-GPU setups, in a lot of cases your FPS can be very nearly doubled.

However, the performance increase you'll see running 2 GPUs depends on the game. When a developers supports crossfire/SLI properly the performance increase can be huge, but unfortunately this isn't true for all games, but in my experience running 2 GPUs can increase performance significantly in the majority of cases.

[LobsterPot]

@slayorofgods Performance increase is anywhere from 30-100% depending on the game. Most games nowadays are towards the top end of the spectrum. Besides, a crossfire/sli solution is usually the most cost effective. I have two 6950s in crossfire, costing nearly £200 less than a 6990 and in some benchmarks they actually outperforms it.

[Motion]

I've always found the best source for info on buying a video card the "Best Graphics Card for the Money" articles that Tom's Hardware puts out monthly. I believe they also have the same articles for CPU's.

[Thrillhouse]

I've shared this link a few times to people looking to get a PC. It's a great place to get started, with builds already done within different budgets.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[Fishy Fingers]

The fact it isnt fixed hardware is why it will always be ahead of the console. This, is just a nice bonus of PC gaming.

[BioDemon-]

Here we go again, I'm really getting tired of these articles. They appeal to different types of gamers, end of. Myself, I love to indulge and spend ridiculous money for ridiculous performance, so PC is my main platform, if you just want to play games and have them just look "good" and prefer convenience to performance then consoles are for you, my 2 cents.

[FragMnTagM]

Why not both? I got a nice rig with a XBOX and a PS3, so I don't miss out on anything.

[BioDemon-]

I'm the same way dude, I own all the platforms. I just play on my PC more.

[aquamala]

Yep have all 3 consoles and a gaming pc, been playing mostly on the pc now. Games all look better on 1920x1200. And with the steam summer sale i think I bought enough games to play for the rest of the year for less than $80!

[FragMnTagM]

Thanks for the replies guys. There is too much hate going around in the gaming industry for the last 5 years or so. I don't remember nearly this much BS from the PS2 XBOX era. There were rivalries for sure, but this generation is just plain ridiculous.

Obviously we all enjoy games, that is why we frequent this site. Why not share the love of gaming instead of being at each others necks all the time?

It would be great to have actual discussions about games without all the retarded troll comments all the time.

[Ravenor]

We should start a club.

[raWfodog]

I agree with you, Bio. These articles are stupid. It's like trying to convince people that the Earth is round when everyone already agrees that the Earth is round.

I am a console gamer but I recognize the superior power and performance of the PC. I just choose to play on consoles. There is no need for anyone from either camp to argue over this. Facts will not change through perception. Just game on the platform that you love and let others do the same...

...and stop approving these stupid articles.

[jy_mrnd]

I agree with biodemon i have a ps3 and wii but i play PC 90 percent of the time.

[MysticStrummer]

The games I want to play are console games. I once did all my gaming on PC, and somehow didn't conclude it was the be all end all gaming experience that gets talked about on this site. The last time I made that type of comment, evrfighter attempted to read my mind, and then told me I wasn't actually a PC gamer based on what his/her psychic powers told him/her. He/she was waaay off.

[TBM]

Been known that PCs are always ahead of consoles, but I like the comfort of gaming on a console. I don't go around counting pixels and whatnot.

[Louis_Guzman]

I'm sure the dozens of hardcore PC fans out there will appreciate this.

[Fishy Fingers]

Subtle dig, I'll give you that. But just to be fair, currently 3.1million users on Steam.

[Arnon]

Plus every MMO's community, plus PC gamers who are offline players. The community is larger than the PS3, 360, and Wii combined.

[qwertyz]

pc>>>>>>> consoles even bulletstorm and battlefied bad company 1(not even 2) and farcry 2(which doesn't even look nearly as good as crysis 1) destroys anything on consoles in the graphics department. a core 2 duo can emulate ps2 and even crank up resolution to 1080p and still run at 60fps a feet the ps3 can't attain,the ps3s with ps2 backwards compatability have ps2 hardware IN BUILT so the ps2 games run using the ps2s emotion engine and not using the cell as its not powerful enough to emulate ps2. so what does that tell you ?core 2 duo destroys the cell in evrything except video transcoding/editing which it was designed for in the first place but a core 2 quad will squash the cell in EVERYTHING so imagine how much an i3,i5,17 nehalem and snady bridge cpus will rape the cell ? lol steve jobs told ibm to go to hell and took intel when they offered apple the cell why do you think he did that? you think he's stupid ? look what hes done with apple its obvious he's a very brilliant man. and nobody bring of the cells in roadrunner super computers as they are far superior to the conventional cell you see in ps3 even at that they weren't powerful enough to compete with intel and amd in the server market so ibm had to develop power6 and power7 and ditch the cell architecture. even toshiba had to replace some spus with video encoding fixed function hardware because the "all mighty" spus weren't cutting it lol

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read...

[espiritu604]

wall of text...

[scotchmouth]

If you stare at it long enough a picture of a schooner appears.

[DW74]

Voting down a flamebait "article". Didn't even read it to give it hits. Tired of those that can't stop stirring the hate.

[felonycarclub]

ok i get it pc guys, am glad that you can mod and play your 4 games with higher resolution and you will always be years ahead of the consoles, lol sorry pc guys i still dont understand why pc guys hate on consoles, well actually i know why, they have no games.

[FragMnTagM]

I am a PC guy and a console gamer. There are tons of a games on the PC. I don't know where you get your info, but there really are a lot of games. In fact, I am willing to bet that there are more games for the PC then there are for all the current consoles combined. Maybe not "AAA" games, but more games nonetheless.

I don't get why gamers fight with each other. We all enjoy the same pastime but we are always at each others necks over which platform we play on. WTF is the big deal? I own a good PC, a 360 and PS3 so I can voice my opinion about a platform if it disappoints me.

I don't understand why you would make the comment you did, as it really doesn't make any sense.

And actually console only gamers should be thankful as a few games that were released on consoles started life off as mods on the PC. Take L4D for instance, that was a Counter-Strike mod i believe and it ended up being a really great full retail game.

People need to get along as we all enjoy the same pastime who cares if it is on another platform?

[felonycarclub]

"I am a PC guy and a console gamer. There are tons of a games on the PC. I don't know where you get your info, but there really are a lot of games." really thanks men, thank you for letting me know there are more than four games on pc. am so glad there are people like u out there that help other people out.

[GameGoose]

All of these platform war discussions never lead anywhere but a dead end, its like having a discussion on religion.

There are pros can cons of them all, it's all about what fits your needs.

Completely agree frag....

[bozebo]

"I own a good PC, a 360 and PS3 so I can voice my opinion about a platform if it disappoints me."

This ^

I have only booted up my 360 for Reach in the past few months and my PS3 for FF13 also months ago, traded that game in a few hours later.

I doubt I will buy any consoles next gen because their exclusives aren't all that good either, they do often have better single player modes than PC exclusives though (Uncharted, Jak & Daxter).

But I mostly game for multiplayer, so obviously I would be gaming on PC for the dedis (BC2 etc) or the game in particular if it doesn't need/have dedis - SC2, LoL, HoN etc.

[outwar6010]

how do i add this mod and do i need to upgrade for it?(gt 340 plays it pretty well)

[spongeboob]

The consoles are 5 and 6 years old already, just shut up with all the my penis is bigger then yours articles.

[Jocosta]

Does this really need to be argued anymore?

[wenaldy]

Well, duh... Seriously im tired with these kind of articles..

[Paragon]

Agreed. Another, "lol consoles" article... >_>

[evrfighter]

Could we get a list of some decent games at least?

Or is that really the best console gaming has to offer?

Much lulz if so.

[admiralthrawn87]

really this whole pc being expensive crap is annoying. i have a GTS 450, not expensive, yet still ahead of current consoles. i can run crysis 2 on max settings, on a 42 inch H with 1080p. consoles are old now. but i still love them for their exclusives like Demons Souls and zelda

[heylo]

how many FPS? 15? 20? with or without AA? and what about the DX11 patch? install it and your PC will go self-destruct with that settings

[kza]

As a hardcore ps3 player, the only game i want a PC for is Arma 2 and BF3 and i admit the graphics are much better but what else is there PC fanboys??? like others have said the other PC exclusives are comeing to consols!

[Pro_TactX]

What else is there besides graphics? Well let's see, there are the aforementioned mods. That is a pretty big deal. There is also the free online gaming, complete with cross-game voice chat, and in-game everything. Ever try to web browse while in a game on the PS3? How about the Xbox 360...oh wait, that doesn't even have a web browser does it?

Oh and let's not forget about little things like key binding and using a mouse for shooters. As a former PS3 player I can't begin to tell you how great using a mouse for shooting is.

[Livin_in_a_box]

Yes you can play games on PC where a mouse and keyboard is stereotypically better than a joystick, cross game voice chat, graphics and in-game mods- but remember that a PC is a PC. You've got the whole Internet, better social connectivity (if you're into that sort of thing, anyway) and EVERYTHING else that you do with a PC. Sometimes I think people forget that.

[Netic]

PC= Best Online community EVER and also Diablo3 ahahah casual console gamers

[Saryk]

Downloaded modded graphics for Stalker (all of them), installed and started playing again. Going to play Clear Sky, SoC and CoP in order, so going to be busy!

[Impaler]

I prefer PC, but play on my PS3 because I needed money for tuition so I sold my rig for it.

But really who gives a shit? Play whatever version and platform you desire, shut up, and enjoy it.

[thebudgetgamer]

as powerful as pc gaming is they don't have lbp 2.

[pr0digyZA]

As many exclusives as a console has it still hasn't got starcraft 2. See I can also do that.

[Pro_TactX]

Minecraft might have been a better example, or perhaps Terraria.

[pr0digyZA]

Minecraft is going on console so probably not. Anyway wasn't trying to be nasty the point was more that we could go around in circles listing pros and cons of each thing it would get us no where.

[Pro_TactX]

I wasn't aware that Minecraft was slated for console release. I learn something new every day.

Good for the console owners.

[Netic]

They won't get Diablo3 anytime soon neither

[kramun]

Lbp 2 is pretty boring really imo. I got half way through the levels and gave up playing it, it was tiresome. And if I wanted to make mods and levels I could always make them with all the games I have on pc that come with mod tools.

Obviously a lot of console gamers like the game, and that's cool, but I don't think many pc gamers really care that it isn't on pc. The things that make Lbp special on consoles aren't very special or unique on pc. The ability to make your own levels and games have been available for years.

[Tyre]

Yeah and in the meanwhile Keep on hyping Onlive and streaming games and mod tools/custom hardware will be gone for the users after all companies have servers running all the games and all the user will be left with is an interface to acces the streamed games=>no more custom building PC rigs/no more hardware parts/no more self-taught talents/no more fresh ideas....the end. Promote physical dedicated hardware/physical ownership/offline usable hardware instead of the return to 70ies like mainframes and terminals....

[Saryk]

You know, a co-worker and I were talking about this exact thing a couple of hours ago. I think Mobile phone will be the next hot thing that will kill PC and consoles. But this Online type stuff, is going to hurt PC and consoles without a doubt, if not wipe all of it out entirely.

[aquamala]

Except 5 years ago to build a gaming pc that can compete with consoles this gen you need to spend $2000+. Now a $500 pc is good enough, just don't get one with crappy on board video.

[eak3]

When it comes to cost consoles win flat out. You can play games in 720 or 1080p and have a damn good time. To play a game in DX 11 you need a top of the line rig thats going to run you a minimum of 1200 dollars, probably more like 2 - 3 grand when all is said and done. Top end boxes will give you a 2-3 yr shelf life before your tech is out of date, whereas with the console your going to get generally 5-6 yrs out of it. So for 300 bucks you got about 5 yrs worth of gaming and with PC your going to probably shell out almost 5 grand keeping yourself up to date. High end gaming on PC is an expensive hobby.

[pr0digyZA]

How much does that 3d screen cost you? or even lower HDTV. DX11 is also in the mid range cards that can play all multiplatform games at max settings... hmmm why am I telling you this, maybe it is beneficial that you aren't on PC.

[DigitalxPiracy]

5 grand?! Where the fuck do you people get these numbers?!

[aquamala]

A game like bad company 2 really is a different experience on pc, people can communicate at least with keyboard if not headset. Most people on consoles don't even have mic on, they just do their own thing.

[Miiikeyyy]

Yeah no ones cares about PC.

[MrDead]

wow, the comments on this are as stupid as the article

[ATiElite]

1. Because all the brand new technology comes to the PC first then made cheaper and ported down to consoles

2. New game Genres are made popular on the PC first then Devs start pumping them out like McDonalds does hamburgers on the consoles

3. Console games are made on PC's running console emulation software.

4. The PC allows you more control over your Gaming Experience than consoles thus providing the best gaming experience possible.

5. Their are PC Games that just can not be done on consoles.

6. this is a Flaimbait article with a catchy title that didn't explain the five important points i just laid out.

I don't care what you game on, just have fun which is number 1. Number 2 don't talk about PC Gaming unless you are a Dedicated PC Gamer because only dedicated PC gamers know what it is all about.

[ShinFuYux]

Gaming is to have fun.

Why waste 500 dollars on a pc when you can get a console and 10 games for that same price.

PC gaming can outperform console gaming but the fact that there's a larger library of games in Console gaming than in PC. It literally makes PC gaming so much less attractive.

[Ranshak]

How much do 10 console games + console cost you?

its alot more then getting a 500usd PC.

In the long run PC is always cheaper then console.

[ATiElite]

"Why waste 500 dollars on a pc when you can get a console and 10 games for that same price."

because your trolling N4G on a PC right now and not a console. You guys always have something smart to say but too bad you never think it through.

PC's do have games that are not available on consoles and/or people like to multi-task while playing games plus Consoles can not Burn movies or music or do your taxes. Which console can help you write a College Term paper? Um none of them.

Some of you are such Faboys that your Anti-PC Gaming comments are just totally STUPID! I think you hate PC Gaming because basically your too STUPID to operate one beyond trolling N4G.

have a good day and enjoy your games no matter what you play on.

[kramun]

Pc gamers have access to games spanning decades, and that includes all the consoles that have been released, with the exception of 2 consoles, the 360 and ps3. It's only a matter of time until they get emulated though.

And there are loads of games on pc that haven't been released on consoles and never will. And a great deal of those games we love get improved over time thanks to mods. You won't find that on consoles, a game is pretty much the way it is forever on consoles. Unless you buy the same game a generation later with a resolution update, lol :P

Haha.

It's amusing to see console only gamers talking about all the games they have access to, when pc gamers have more games than they could ever play in a lifetime.

EDIT:This is also something you have to look forward to when you're a console only gamer -

[Optical_Matrix]

So JRPG's, Hack and Slash Action games, Fighting games, 3D Platformers etc were made popular on PC. Nah, I don't think so. The only genre that you can say that for is FPS. Apart from that, most other genre's have been popularized by consoles.

[Netic]

CAll of Duty = PC
Doom = PC
Quake = PC
Team Fortress= PC
Battlefield= PC
WoW= PC
Warcraft= PC
Starcraft= PC
Counter-Strike= PC
Half-Life= PC
Rainbow Six= PC

so yea basically PC started the hardcore gaming... be proud of your FFantasy and Mario

[JonnyBigBoss]

I have a powerful gaming PC but rarely ever use it. Graphics aren't ANYTHING. I'm playing FFIX right now on my PSP and I find it way more enjoyable than anything that the PC has offered in YEARS.

[Ddouble]

No your not enjoying it because it's not 1080p running at 60fps.

[SweatyFlorida]

Both have their pros and cons and graphics/power are PC's specialty. But doesn't mean it downright beats consoles because of that one reason. No, consoles have many pros in other aspects as well and I think they evenly stack up with each other, perhaps consoles edging only slightly. (other wise devs would be making way more AAA games on PC than consoles)

Though why are we always fighting between each other in the 1st place? We're all MATURE gamers aren't we? If I have a bigger house than you, do I brag about how I have a pool or an extra bathroom and you don't? No. Some people need to grow up seriously (meaning these countless articles about the topic)

[Laika]

omg i cant stand pc elitists. i have a decent rig capable of playing any modern game. its not all its cracked up to be. more underwhelming than anything.

[IRetrouk]

i play console games for the exclusives, the only game i want on my pc is battlefield 3 at the min, everything else i wanna play is console only, gears, uncharted, gt, forza plus many more, it not just about teh garffikzzzz.

[Netic]

While you play your 50+ dollars games i'll still be playing BF3 multiplayer cause it's that good. AFter completing your 2weeks casual games (uncharted, gears) youll come back to BF3 and get owned.

[IRetrouk]

ok, but in those two weeks i will have played some of the best games this gen, enjoyed myself and still get to play bf3, if i get "owned" or not is a matter of opinion, so there(blows rasberry)

[Optical_Matrix]

The reason why Consoles/Handhelds will always be ahead of PC's for me....better games (imo). End of story. I don't give a shit about better textures or mods. I can't play 90% of the franchises I love on a PC.

[ShinFuYux]

Agreed.

[ShinFuYux]

PC game will never be ahead until more 3rd party developers will support it. Right now, PSN and XboxLive with their exclusive games on each console makes gaming much more accessible to a larger base of people.

People will justify PC gaming by better graphics, mods, dedicated servers and such. But, you're still denying the fact that this is only for a small handful of games. The day I can play my favorite games like Tekken 6, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, and such on PC. Then, I'll agree that PC gaming so much superior.

[aliengmr]

Wrong.

There are plenty of Indy devs on the PC they just aren't backed by the likes of EA. You are sadly mistaken if you think your favorite games are the "end all, be all" of gaming.

You are correct that consoles are designed to reach a bigger community and is more accessible. But you haven't a clue how massive the PC community really is. You wanna know why? Because Microsoft and Sony can't make money off it. Period.

Im not going to argue which platform is better, you like your games and I like mine. But, your statement is false about devs supporting the PC, you just haven't heard of them. Ignorance is bliss.

[04soldier]

Consoles are more profitable because the lack of pirating. It took 4-5 years to hack the ps3. 3rd party developers ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS.

and this is why big name companies have shifted focus from developing strictly from PC to the consoles. RAGE, BFBC series etc etc.

[Hicken]

It always comes down to this. It's as if PC gamers need to make noise every now and then, or they'll think they've been forgotten about.

Yeah, PC will always be ahead of consoles. Consoles will have the same hardware in them for 6-10 years; PC will have new innovations every few months. Nobody's denying that.

Like it or not, though, PC gaming- remaining at the forefront, that is- is more expensive than console gaming. And there are many gamers- myself included- that really just don't want to think about new video cards every few months.

PC fans will disagree with me, but gaming and PC gaming are almost separate things entirely. In order to be a real PC gamer, you have to keep up with games, yes. But more importantly, you have to keep up with innovations in PC hardware. Doesn't mean a whole lot for you to have the best/best looking game if you don't have a rig capable of playing it.

For console gamers, it's different: your console will be able to play the newest games out there, as long as its made for your system. The only argument then becomes which console is better- and, by extension, which has the better exclusives.

[Psychotica]

I bought a gaming rig 3 years ago and I have only upgraded the card once. It still out performs the consoles I have.

[Hicken]

Your 3 year old PC outdoes 5 year-old consoles? Who would have imagined that?

Additionally, I doubt you've got the best stuff in your PC, do you?

[Psychotica]

@Hicken - My point was you talked about buying a new video card every few months, which is not true at all. You also don't have to keep up with innovations in PC hardware. My pc runs all the PC games and most of the time they are at max settings.

[Inzo]

Did any one else notice that there is not one PS3 comparison shot to the PC in this article?

No one is disputing that the PC has the graphics, the problem is the games that go with the it. Most PC games are average at best as far as game-play goes.
On the PS3 however = Great games, great graphics.

[thespaz]

When I played PC games, I was tweaking settings more than I was playing the games. I just couldn't stop until the game was just perfect. I would say, I enjoy gaming a lot more when the game is in the front and the technology is locked away so you can play the game just as the developer has intended.

Also, I find the keyboard and mouse to be uncomfortable to play on after I got used to the controller. I find using analog sticks results in much smoother panning. The jittery-ness of a mouse can be nauseating. It's hard to explain. Playing Left 4 Dead 2 on the PC with a mouse is just jittery (not the framerate but how the mouse movement picks up every little movement, so it's basically impossible to turn smoothly).

Now that I play on console, I don't have to adjust settings... I don't worry about watching my framerate... I don't worry about different graphical settings... I don't have to fiddle around with drivers... I don't have to use Windows.

By the way... is it possible to have a gaming computer that starts up in a few seconds and brings you to your games instantly without having to load an entire OS?

Oh, and don't tell me I can use a controller on PC games because everyone knows that you'll get owned if you go online with a controller against everyone else using mice.

[RAmar101]

Pc gaming imo is a pile of crap, you could build a top gaming rig but its far to costly, almost all multiplat games are same apart from pc having better visuals. Its simply not worth it.

Console games are better than pc games, tbh I think its a bit nerdy sat at a pc all day long, we will enjoy our games thanks! You enjoy spending your money on grafix cards and mice LOL

[aliengmr]

and you keep spending 60 bucks a pop for games I can get for far less.

Seriously, building a PC is not nearly as expensive as you think. But hey, lets not let pesky facts get in the way right? Flame on my good man!!!

[punisher99]

You know what. After reading comments from you all. I am convinced that PC gamers don't know the difference between resolutions and graphics. For what ever reasons, PC gamers think that resolutions and graphics are the same thing.

[Theonetheonly]

No.

you dont know the difference.

low resolution just hides bad graphics.

[punisher99]

No. My point is you can have better graphics in 720P vs. 1080P. Just because something is 1920 x 1080 doesn't mean it automatically has better graphics.

[pr0digyZA]

I can tell you right now that if PC lowered its setting to the same as console but kept its high resolution there would be a difference then take into account that you can up the graphics. remember if you are looking at screensshots on a small screen then there wont be much difference between console and PC thats where all this confusion comes from about it not looking that much better.

[thekiddfran]

Yeah that is great and all but pc sales are terrible compared to the console counterparts. Most pc gamers will pirate games outside of steam.

And thing that pisses me off about pc gamers is, all they care about is graphics! Where is the pc gamers equvalent to Uncharted,God of War or Demon's Souls??

[aliengmr]

No, not all pc gamers crave better graphics. We just have different tastes in games. I couldn't care less about Uncharted and God of war, I want complexity in my games. The modding community is the main reason I stick around. You like your stuff I like my stuff, but you need to get your facts right.

Fact is you know nothing about PC game sales because you know only fraction of whats available on PC. You know even less about pirated games so I won't even go there.

[thekiddfran]

No please go there I don't know anything apparantly. Seriously, what games stand out on pc besides Crysis or the witcher 2?

[OooHJohnny]

lol unsecured PC fanboys

[xtremegamerage]

Why is everyone so angry about this all the time, this subject comes up way to much.

1) closed box vs open box.
2) high rez vs higher rez, aa,af etc.
3) multiplats vs exclusives
4) sofa vs chair - lol.

Seriously i have PC/PS3/Wii

I enjoy them all.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

Constantly being able to upgrade to current tech year through and mods to even further push the tech is why PC's will always be ahead of consoles... Im not dumb and thus why I see no need for there to ever be an article about this topic!

[bronxsta]

Um...who cares?

Good for you PC gamers! There's no reason to brag about something that's an obivous fact. Consoles can never be as powerful as a full upgraded PC, so what?

Each has their pros and cons. I can't stand these stupid arguments

[Theonetheonly]

its only cause in the beginning of every console generation pc gamers see two weak systems being bragged about due to their "POWER" it is only later in each generation that power doesn't matter to console gamers.

those who bragged to the heavens about their ps3 being the most powerful are the ones now shouting from the rooftops

"NO NEW HARDWARE i want 10 more years with my console. I happy with my ps3. who needs better graphics."

on another note every console generation seems to think that pc gaming is dying, not because of any facts just because it is outside of their spectrum of understanding.

pc and console gamers only have 1 thing in common they love games; after that they may as well be from different planets.

pc gaming is more of a lifestyle.

console gaming is more of a hobby.

[Gordo789]

"pc gaming is more of a lifestyle.

console gaming is more of a hobby."

what?

[Theonetheonly]

yeah dude pc gaming is very invovled, if you dont want to deal with the alleged hassles then dont.

most hardcore pc gamers know everything about their rig and how to fix it, and love every minute. just like restoring an old MOPAR to 800BHP

console gamers know everything about how to use their console and ship it off to fix it if it breaks. they prefer simplicity and comfort and dont want to get too involved.

its like night and day.

build a hot rod
or buy a cost efficient fuel efficient rice burner from toyota.

[Inzo]

It seems that you actually believe the crap you are writing. Lifestyle? how do you base a lifestyle around mediocre to average games?

[Da_Evil_Monkey]

I'm sick of all of the PC and Console fanboys.

PCs are (on the whole) more powerful than consoles, due to being able to upgrade: FACT

PCs do not have to be mega expensive to play games at higher graphical quality than console: FACT

Neither has "better games" it is purely opinion: FACT

Just because you play at 1080p with 4x AA, doesn't mean you are better than a console gamer; they still experience the same game, albeit at a lower graphical quality and without the possibility of mods: FACT

Some people find PCs to complicated, just can't be bothered with them, or just prefer to game on console: FACT
you don't have to act like a arrogant elitist

Piracy is an issue on ALL platforms, not just PC: FACT
unless you have evidence to show it is miles worse on PC STFU.

Console gamers are not all morons that need game developers to hold their hands, just like not all PC gamer are epic elite world class gamers: FACT

If you can afford every platform Great. If not, stop trying to justify your choice of platform by insulting another's and just enjoy playing games!

/rant

P.S. feel free to add to these in the replys to shut the fanboys up.

(for tl:dr) stop being fanboys, stop arguing about platform and enjoy gaming.

[bub16]

wish more gamers would think like you! spot on dude

[bub16]

pc specs are always upgrading and customizable and you cant really beat a mouse. consoles are less geeky and my friends can just pick up a controller and play. i prefer consoles, pc gaming is for more HARDCORE gamers i think

[punisher99]

Before we go making PC the champion of gaming. There would be no gaming industry if it was not for the consoles. Is anyone in here old enough to remember the early 1980s?? What happened when the gaming industry was dying? A company named Nintendo came along and released a console a saved it. Secondly, games sell much better on consoles than they do PCs. All the most popular games this generation sells better on consoles than they do the PC. The consoles are producing more high rated exclusives than the PC platform. You see, gaming is not just about resolutions and frame rates. Its about actual games. And thats where the consoles have been out performing the PC.

[NotSoSilentBob]

Pretty sad that the consumer has to go threw and do make the mod to look better on PC. I just want to play the game who cares what looks better. So Long as it plays better and has a decent story thats what counts.

[aliengmr]

This article only pointed out a few mods which made visual enhancements. I'm guessing you know next to nothing about the modding community.

This article did nothing to enlighten people about the PC's modding community and for that I apologize. Suffice it to say that the entire modding community does far more than visual tweaks. Its not sad at all really, we are quite happy with it and with the MANY modders out there who make our gaming experience better without asking for a penny.

[Godmars290]

- PC gaming wouldn't be what it is today if not for consoles.
- More and more consoles are becoming like PCs.
- The average consumer will never adopt to the same level of PC games as consoles, because consoles are designed to be easier to use - and the general consumer is stupid!

Deal with it!

[aliengmr]

- PC gaming wouldn't be what it is today if not for consoles.

This is in fact, not true. You think your console just fell from the sky one day?

your others points are mostly right. though debatable.

We are dealing with it. Which is why we have a modding community. I thought the article explained at least that much. Even if it was flame-bait that failed completely to make its point.

[Godmars290]

All of my points are from the consumer point of view. If console gaming hadn't been around, became popular, then computers probably wouldn't have left the office. Nevermind gaming development.

Games like Doom 4 and Crysis started this crap by making PC game producers realize they weren't making games for the common market, so between that and the iPhone things are the way they are. But because PC fanboys can't even admit that only catering to them caused a problem for the industry, forced it to scale back from bleeding edge graphics, they use consoles as a scapegoat and we see articles like this.

Meanwhile games in general sell more on the DS, the iPhone, iPad and all the other devices like them than PC, and most PC game makers are catering to that market.

More than a few are still hardcore, but that's just not good enough for the fanboys who have to have the $50 game that requires a $4000 rig to play it at its best, though its a shame that the company that made the game has to close its doors because it didn't sell enough PC-only copies.

But god help consoles should that company be bought, forced to make or decides on its own to put their title on something cheaper than a single high end component and goes on to sell ten times as much.

Edit:
And just watch how many disagrees and replies I get just for mentioning $4000 rigs.

Seriously, its like insulting rich boys who want you to think you can live like them at half the price.

[pr0digyZA]

Your so right aah how blind we are. Lets write all future game code on consoles, lets make all the PC guys not get new hardware because then we can stay still for the next 20 years because theres nothing to put in the consoles (as all the other companies like asus etc.. go bankrupt) /s

[Jonah_Reese]

Because it's a COMPUTER unchained. God People are so stupid. Well next article.

[Gordo789]

Apparently the way to get the hottest story is to troll the hardest. Comparing PCs and consoles is like apples and oranges. Not even the same thing. Obviously the PCs of today are going to be more powerful than the current generation consoles that came out years ago.

[tigertron]

"This is why PC will always be ahead of consoles", for Christ's sake, just drop this crap already.

[0321]

@Ranshak: Red Orchestra was a mod at first also. And now it is it's own standalone game because the first mod was so good.

[maskren]

There's nothing to this article. It's two paragraphs of "Look at this picture!"

Terrible journalism.

[StayStatic]

Consoles are fun , right now im chilling on mass effect but PC is the ultimate experiance , you choose how you play:

- Graphics

- Input , be it keyboard / mouse or controller

- TV Or Monitor , they can do any

- The dedi server , p2p is bollox

Can see why Microsoft has its fingers in both pies DX on Windows And Xbox, wonder if the PS4 will switch from the CELL and Open GL.

Can jump either way from here on out but happy to enjoy whats on offer, but can see us all just having one big power box in our living / bedrooms in the future.

[leahcim]

Pc gaming doesnt count anymore between real hardcore gamers, consoles are so swift, comfy, affordable, nicer & full of diversity than PCs, no graphical improvement will change that, and if it does, the next gen will mantain this trend

[kraze07]

You forgot the /s

[leahcim]

hahah thanks man

[zen555]

I remember after putting 200 hours into oblivion moving in with my GF and seeing her play it on console. It looked like a completely different game. Ignorance is bliss I guess, but I feel sorry for people who play skyrim or BF3 on console and don't realize what they are missing.

[olLANDSHARKlo]

I'm not into sitting at a desk and playing games, and yes I realize I can hook my PC up to my big screen, but why? PC gaming is for lonely gamers, if you have friends over and wanna enjoy a few games, how are you doing this? Can a pro-pc game player on here please give us a link to a pc to tv setup, where you can have several people playing at once. watch this guys.

[StayStatic]

Hook up a Console because we can afford both obviously ... Or LAN up split screen is fail anyways thats so N64 Days ... Goldeneye FTW

[kraze07]

It's called a lan party, but I see your point. It sucks because more and more games these days are losing split-screen multiplayer.

[Filthcardia]

Was this story really necessary to right? Either the author feels threatened by the success of consoles, or he had nothing else to comment on. Stellar work, spot on.

[Anim8or]

Without reading all the comments, and running the risk of repeating someone, this article was pointless on 2 primary counts - 1. you can modify the hardware on a pc to push better graphics. 2. you can modify the program on a pc with patches and code(mods).
So, yes. With that, PCs(that can be modified and upgraded and give you access to make changes to the original program) will stay superior to the closed architecture of consoles.
Sheesh!

[MehmetAlperTR]

with a 2500 $ or 3000 $ ?? and better ? please..

[Zancruz]

Two people walk into a electronics store both with $500 bucks, One person is buying a new Game console and the other is buying a Gaming PC. The console Gamer leaves the store with a new system an extra controller and a few games, and still has enough to buy himself lunch. The PC Gamer leaves with a new PC magazine for his hopes and future dreams.......

[Truth]

I'm half-tempted to get GTAIV on the PC just for that mod. I mean, wow, my hats off to whoever developed that mod because it's like a whole different game. Just stunning.

[TABSF]

I love the fact cloud costs on PS3

PlayStation Plus = £40 Per Year - 100MB (Saves)
Steam Cloud = £0 Free Forever - 1GB (Saves, Screenshots and Vids)

Don't give me crap about the offers on PS+ they're a joke, just click on Steam 25% to 90% over 1,200 Games

Also I love the plucking out of thin air numbers $2000+, its very amusing.

For GTA IV and to run this mod, just get a i5 2500K + GTX 560 Ti job done, easily under $800 plus years of superior gaming and Steam Mega sales every 6 months :)

[Bounkass]

Like Jeremy Clarkson said: "Powaaaah".

[Platinum_k]

PC MAKES THE GAMES FOR CONSOLES. OF COURSE THEY WILL ALWAYS BE MORE SUPERIOR!

PC>CONSOLES (ALWAYS)

[punisher99]

PC makes games for the consoles? Thats only partly true. Did the PC platform make Gears Of War 2, Halo, Uncharted 1 and 2, Resistance 2, Infamous 1 and 2, Fable 1 and 2, Gran Turismo 1 to 5, God Of War 1 to 3, Killzone 2 and 3. Most if not all of these games I named are high rated GOTY contenders and this is just some of them. So name all of the GOTY contenders thats only on PC. The list for the consoles is much much longer. Gaming is about games, not just about mods and resolutions.

[tubers]

yawn... just 200-300 bucks.. yawn.. graphics? That's just too shallow.. There must be more than that and mods.

[gcolley]

this type of article is why n4g will always suck.

[Too_many_games]

screw mod tools. i pay to play the game made by the developers NOT some zit faced modder who thinks they know what they are doing

[Koromaro]

/facepalm It's like Saying

"This is why a 2011 Ford Mustang V-6 will always be ahead a Ford Model T"

=/

[ArtificiallyYours]

I was expecting a longer article with fifteen side-stories and examples older than dirt. PROTIP: Computer's were powerful even before they became a gaming sensation.

I play Roguelikes on my PC, and classic First Person Shooters, like Marathon. That's pretty much all, really. No I don't own Halo CE or Halo 2 for the PC.

EDIT:

I've also played with emulators on my laptop, sometimes frustrated with them on the Playstation front (The Separate BIOS thing was a pain). But yeah this and the above. That is it.

[T3mpr1x]

So...games look prettier on a PC. Also, the sky is blue. Seriously though, mods are nice and everything but I bought my PS3 for $600 back in 2006. Without doing any upgrades save for a larger hard drive, that same console has given me countless hours of ENTERTAINMENT, which is what I'm after anyway, not comparing e-penis size. PCs aren't superior to consoles, they're just different.

[Ima9er4Life]

Yeah I agree, but who the fuck wants to play on a little ass screen. What if all your friends or fam come over? Ya'll gonna squeeze in to get some matches going? C'mon, computor is for people wit hella money trying to update everything that comes out. But yeah, computor will always be better "IN GRAPHICS". But the consoles is coo too tho

[therapist]

um i have my pc hooked up to a 55" samsung, and my ps3 and 360 hooked up to a little 24" monitor because the sub hd graphics on ps3/360 look like absolute ASS on a 55" screen...the bigger the screen the more the imperfections show!

[BrianC6234]

You aren't very smart. That big screen is being wasted.

As for the graphics being too low res for you, I think 720p is fine. I don't have a 55" screen so I don't want 2500 by whatever graphics for my games. You might get a lot more on the screen but everything will get smaller. I don't see what the big deal is about current console graphics.

[gumgum99]

I don't give a crap if its lifelike, if the gameplay ain't fun I'm not playing it.

PCs being more ahead of consoles, which update every 5-6 years, is only natural.

[Soldierone]

This is why i dont care....Writes a book, reads all the PC Fanboy complaints that don't understand.

Once again. You can afford to buy and upgrade your PC constantly? congrats have fun with that, we don't care. Go play your "better" games that you paid hundreds of dollars to get. Its common sense you get what you pay for, in most cases.

[BrianC6234]

PC gamers have to be the biggest babies. Who gives a crap about this? Just a bunch of nonsense. I hate sitting at my computer to play a game. The couch is a lot more comfortable. And Windows is horrible for gaming. Way too many crashes without even gaming. I'll stick to console gaming.

[fourthpersonview]

PC may be advance in any aspect compared to consoles, but it doesn't have the best games like Uncharted, Halo & Zelda.

[helghast102]

PC children sure are insecure, whatsamadda? no games to play?

[KrimsonKody]

The comparison screens were kind of cool,
I'm not too sure about the GTA modded screen though, it looked a bit too real.
But I can't be certain, I have'nt seen 2 many GTA mods.

Ok;
(seen ICEnhancer footage)
Yeah, I still doubt that GTA footage in the image.
Now, the ICEnhancer engine is beautiful, of course,
PC can produce that.
However, there's just something really fun & special about buying/owning a console solely for the purpose of gaming, IMO.

[silencedwriter]

PCs are too expensive to be in this argument. You want a PC that can play games better than a console, you better have enough money to shell out enough to buy 5 consoles. Oh and the technology will be outdated in 2 years. Time to spend another couple hundred bucks. Oh shit, my memory is low, more money. Dang my video card is fried, more money. That new game looks so good, too bad my rig can't play it, more money. PC gaming is like burning your money. Just stop with it fanboys, there is a reason your mad and wrote these articles, its because no one cares about PC gaming anymore. You have been left by the wayside for bigger and better things and now you feel like the fat chick who got dumped for the new girl in school. You know the fat chick, the one that you went to prom with because your mother made you ask out cause you are a virgin. Then made you leave the basement and stop playing PC games for a night. Remember?

[Incipio]

What a trash article. Doesn't explain anything and uses mods to prove a point.

Pure flamebait and troll food.

[T3MPL3TON]

PC will always rule the market as far as graphics and user created sub content.

Consoles will always dominate sales.

The reason for both is this;

PC: You're only limited by your imagination.

Consoles: Not everyone cares to use their imagination, and would much rather just pop that old disc into the system and play. It can be said that eventually we all get a little lazy as even the most hardcore PC gamer tends to own at least one of the big three. Consoles offer a freedom PC's don't. Consoles allow the "casual" gamer, to even exist. Most people still don't realize how cheap making a high end PC can be until everyone snaps out of lazy mode, consoles will dominate the gaming market.

[Human Analog]

Ok! Ok! you made your point. You don't have to rub it in.

[parasit3]

UHH RLY? PC WILL ALWAYS BE PC. PC > CONSOLES

[DAS692]

I believe that Consoles still have a chance and I have a multi-million dollar idea that could change the console gaming industry FOREVER...

[Master_S]

CAPTAIN OBVIOUS TO THE RESCUE

[ViserysTargaryen]

It's sad really to know that a large population of the gaming world are deprived of the opportunity of being a PC gamer and a console gamer. Being able to game on both platforms can lend a perspective that most of fanboys here are sadly lacking.

When I want an optimal gaming experience with no compromise, I hop on to my PC. There isn't anything out that can top the PC gaming experience. Cutting edge graphics with screaming performance piled with an endless stream of free content belongs strictly to the realm of the PC gamer.

When I want to slack and chill on the sofa with a controller in my hand I go to my PS3. Yeah the graphics are dated as hell and the performance is a joke but the mindless push Start and go gaming is a welcomed diversion from the PC's complexity sometimes.

It's like being happily married to two completely women. If you don't have this setup then you're missing out as a gamer.

[Veeger]

Hey, proud PC gamers. I have just one question: if PC gaming is so good and you're such a community, why has the industry left you and you keep getting the short end of the stick?

[ViserysTargaryen]

Simple answer to that really. They found out that it's much easier to bend over console gamers and rape them than PC gamers. Console gamers are more receptive to said rapings since they're trapped inside a proprietary box fueled by blind fanboy-ism.

See the $15 Call of Duty map packs for example. Also with recent developments, see the troubling online pass bullshit that starting to spread in the industry. This also happens whenever a console gamer pick up Battefield Bad Company 2 for $35-$55 while PC gamers are downloading the same game from Steam for $10-12.

[Veeger]

I see. So it's the money. I'm able to pay $60 for a game but you wait for bargains in the bin. OK, things sorted out, thanks.

For the record, I paid around $70 for my Battlefield. That is about 5 cents for every hour I played. Great value for money as far as I'm concerned. Cheers, bargain boys.

[xtreampro_REVENGE!]

You can't even afford to build a rig yet you call PC gamers bargain boys?

Are you mental?

[Gazondaily]

Are fan boys vagrants that can only afford one machine so they spend every cell in their body to defend their respective platform?

I have all the consoles and a gaming PC. I actually play on consoles more because I only really play with my friends, the vast majority of whom don't have a gaming rig. I also enjoy the fact that you are on an even field when it comes to hardware.

But you cannot deny the power and flexibility afforded by PCs. No console can match that.

Now stop hating and actually play some games. And you wonder why developers shy away from cross-platform gaming.

[00000000000000000001]

The reason I like consoles better is the fact you can play a game for hours upon hours without a freeze or crash. With my gaming PC your lucky to get an hour before your starting over. If they could fix this problem then I would never own a console again!

[ViserysTargaryen]

Hahaha if your games are crashing and freezing after hours of gaming then the problem should be bloody obvious. Look in the mirror then at your PC. The problem is between those two, or both.

Oh and anyone who haven't experienced console crash after hours of gaming should play more games. Try Fallout: Vegas on the PS3. You'll have your fill of crashes.

[Lord_Sloth]

I do hope this article points out that a PC can upgrade it's hardware about every 6 months while a console is only every 5-7 years.

[LordAtrocity]

I love both PC and Console Gaming

There is pros and cons to both of them, hence I think true gamers should own BOTH!

A console:

A new generation console usually comes out 5 - 7 years so you have nothing to upgrade except for HDD ( Some Skus add small features)

Because of this it's cheaper to be a console gamer.
You can all be equal, as long as you have a decent HDD and good internet connection, and the required game you can enjoy what you will.

You'll get more games for the consoles (I might be wrong)

The graphics are still good and are on par with a decent pc on release. The graphics are good enough throughout but if you want the best graphics and cheaper games, but are willing to keep upgrading your PC go PC

Consoles ( Especially the PS3 ) is becoming more like a pc in the sense of, allowing a web browser, application like Steam, mods in certain games ( This should improve next gen)

PC's although having to be upgraded more often than a next gen console, Im no expert.

Most games I see on PC are cheap your talking about £29.99 rrp for PC and £39.99 for console.

The mods, graphical mods, all the stuff you can do whilst playing a game, you have xfire, steam, teamspeak, fast browser.

The way I look at it is - If you can afford it go for both. Split up your games for each platform depending on various factors like Skyrim is something I would consider for PC because it's single player, it will likely be cheaper, it will look way better and you'll be able to mod it.

A game like Fifa or NFS I would buy for PS3/360 because I prefer the controller and I have more friends who play this on console. I enjoy it on console.

A game like football manager or most RTS like Total war or age of empires really only work well with PC, id go with that.

A game like battlefield 3 is a hard one because I need to get a decent PC first and I want the superior game play, but the chances are most of my friends will be on the console and I played Bad company 2 on PC so I am used to it.

All in all if you have the money go for both, don't be a fanboy. If you can only afford 1 chances are you can't afford a PC anyway so get a console, you'll get more games, might be more expensive and less features like graphics and mods ( PS3 is using mods in a few games, may increase ) The community is strong imho on consoles because I find it easy to get a group of friends to play with.

[andyrew007]

I have both a PC and a PS3 and I have over 20 games for both, but the thing is, all the new releases I get for the PS3 because I can't afford a powerful computer to play them on.

Yes, a PC may be able to play games with higher graphics but to get the same quality as a console it costs a lot more. This is why I play more games on my PS3. I don't need to worry about system requirements.

[Bonobo12345]

Most people need to chill seriously.
IMO you do need at least a PS3 to go with your PC, because there are AAA titles that you just can't play on PC.

That's why I now have both, I enjoy multiplatform games to their full potential and can still enjoy the great exclusives that PS3 offers me.

P.S I have not owned a PC for very long but PS3 exclusives have yet to be beat on my rig..

I have a GTX 8800, Anyone know what It's capable of?

[Treyb3yond]

Pc cost much more but game wise isn't worth the extra money. Fact.

[Bladesfist]

Stop with the I'm a tramp so pc gaming is bad argument

[Duxer]

Really lame article. It doesn't explain why PC is ahead of consoles. Raw graphics just won't do. There's not even such a big difference between them. For example the Oblivion one looks far better on a console.

[Jacobite]

You need to go to Specsaver for new glssses "For example the Oblivion one looks far better on a console." I've played Oblivion on the PC & 360 theirs no contest PC looked and played better and I'm no fanboy I play on all 3 major platforms PS3, PC and 360.

[Dogswithguns]

I do not need a powerful PC, my low end will do just fine as always, upgrading all the time is not my thing...
So what my PS3 cant upgrade, probably why I prefer. besides that, consoles with controllers much more convenient.

[3shitty]

5000 dorras pwease and u can be ahead consoles

[historywebsite102]

This argument is fatigued.

[Tzuno]

Remember that all the games are made on PC. The rest is a stupid fan-boy too proud to recognize that the PC will always be more powerful than Consoles. How many consoles appear in a year and how many evolved PC components appear in the same year?

[bozebo]

Consoles are designed with price to performance ratios in mind, then they use efficient manufacturing and design quirks to squeeze out extra performance - they don't have to be plug 'n play like PCs remember. So the initial SKUs tend to launch at a loss because they are cutting edge (when the 360 came out, it was better than a high-end pc). After a year or 2 passes, because of the industry progression it becomes cheaper to make a machine of the same performance - so they can begin making a profit off the sku, but they must also drop prices around that time. They are out there to make their profits from game royalties anyway, not hardware sales (except the wii, handhelds & overpriced 360 controllers/accessories).

So yeah... that is just how consoles work. Therefore, a couple of years after a new console generation - PCs will undoubtably perform a lot better.

What is worth noting though, is that now is the first time in when it has been possible to game on PC without it being notably expensive over consoles. (it might cost you $100 more in the short term, but you make that up after buying 4 games).

I am interested to see what will happen next gen, for the consoles to perform adequately against mid-end PCs at the moment - they will have to retail at about $400-600, but should perform equivalent to a $1000 PC for about a year before they fall behind inevitably. However, PCs have been getting insanely cheap of recent - every month I check back to see what components are on offer, and the total cost of a high end machine seems to drop by $40-$70 every month.

So I am genuinely puzzled as to how consoles will be able to exist in the modern gaming future. The answer, of course, is marketing. But then, I wouldn't understand that because it washes by me un-noticed usually.

If M$ can persuade people to spend more on their 360 (+games, +xbl, +a new controller/headset every time it breaks) than they would have on a highly capable PC (or just graphics card, because plenty of people own a dual core desktop that they don't use for gaming but it just needs a $100 graphics card stuck in there), they can surely do it again under more extreme conditions next gen.

Anyway, I disagree with the author. I actually really don't care about graphics. There are a billion other reasons why PC gaming will always be ahead - most notably: it is the only open platform for gamers (Android, Mac & Linux are also open). So you get all the indie and small studio games, plus big titles are a lot cheaper too (not on Steam because they have taken a monopoly over the digital distribution market and are trying to make PC gaming a ripoff now, why is GTA1 still really damn expensive on there? its free on rockstar's site). Anyway, its also more convenient for me. I am here most of the day anyway doing work, so it makes sense just to simply click on my game icon and then I'm suddenly playing it... I can fire fable up and sit at the couch infront of my TV with a controller in my hands - none of that input lag or terrible fps on the 360 version >_<. Who doesn't own a PC anyway? Next time you buy one, think about getting some graphics capability in it - its way cheaper than the price of a console, even second hand today. The only thing you miss is console exclusives, which aren't particularly fantastic anyway and don't provide that much play time - it's not like I don't own a ps3 and 360 too, but they are gathering dust at the moment (ps3 will get a workout with UC3 of course, but that'll only be about 10 hours of gaming then its off again for months).

[DanSolo]

lol the PC fan-boy articles have really kicked in since the whole Battlefield 3 thing started....

This is how it is... It's a very simple premise so it won't take much brain power to follow....

They are 2 separate things and both have advantages:

PC is more powerful if you spend money to keep updating your rig, and that is cool and helps push gaming along.

Consoles are more accessible and plug and play and help push gaming along to the masses which is where the money comes from to fund the big games.

It is really that simple... the console fan-boys who like bashing the PC for some reason need to understand that gaming is made better by having PC gaming, and the PC fan-boys who like to feel all good about themselves as their rig out-performs the consoles need to realise that it really doesn't matter....

[Ingram]

I shit on this "ultimate proof".