GTA 6's first hurdle will be the Xbox Series S' hardware

GTA 6's first hurdle is going to be getting over the hardware limitations of the Xbox Series S.

[ThinkThink]

I'm not concerned, Rockstar are competent devs and they only have 3 skus to worry about for launch with PC coming 1-2 years later.

[Obscure_Observer]

"I'm not concerned, Rockstar are competent devs and they only have 3 skus to worry about for launch with PC coming 1-2 years later."

You shouldn´t be. Both lazy and armchair developers won´t ever have enough of crow for dinner.

[Eonjay]

If you are planning to pick this up and you intend to get this on Xbox, I would recommend investing in a Series X. It doesn't come out until 2025 so that should give you enough heads up.

[purple101]

Will be series XZ by then.. they can't stop releasing boxs. In fact, count their Xbox skus next week then won't their AAA games, youl find one number equalls the other.

[GamerRN]

You DO realize the PS5 has had more SKUs this generation, right?

[EvertonFC]

If any series S owners are thinking of upgrading when GTA comes out there more likely to jump ship and buy a standard ps5 over black Friday 2025 for £299 or lower with the launch of the pro.
Imo Sony have played an absolute blinder this gen sales wise

[darthv72]

Im thinking with FSR and DLSS... the S can do just about anything. i dont think it will have a 60fps performance mode like 5&X but it will try to have a quality mode somewhere in the 1440/30 range.

On the 5&X i am expecting lots of RTGI and reflections which will be in the 4k/30 quality mode. Performance mode could be 1080/60 with SSR instead of RTGI.

[RaidenBlack]

Rockstar managed the vast GTA V (with character switching) on the PS3 & X360 .... not an easy feat ...
I think they'll find comfort in 900p~1080p + 30fps combo with draw distance reduced for Series S.

[dumahim]

DLSS on Series S? dude...

[EvertonFC]

Optimistic I see, I'm thinking more like 720p @30fps with gfx downgrades tbh.

[EvertonFC]

4 sku, S/X, PS5 and PS5 pro

[Eonjay]

I thi k this game will sell more Pro models than any other game.

[crazyCoconuts]

Don't forget the Steam Deck! Er .. Maybe both versions by 2025 😊

[neutralgamer1992]

MS will have to make concessions for this to be on series S just like they did with BG3. If R* couldn’t do it on series S they would skip it and there isn’t anything anyone can do about it. They are the biggest most valuable developer in the business

[purple101]

Yep this is the most valuable "piece of entertainment" media ever actually. GTA does more profit than most Hollywood films by far.

[darthv72]

The concession (singular) for BG3 was split screen. The SS did it, but Larian wasnt satisfied with how it performed (on 8gb of memory) so they asked XB if it can be removed. XB said sure, and as a result of retooling the code to take advantage of the resources they got back they discovered an error in their code. They fixed the issue and it benefited all other versions as a result.

[EvertonFC]

I imagine they'll get the game working fine, but what you need to ask yourself is; are you happy with 720p @30fps with res going below 720 in action packed parts and dips in fps also massive downgrade in gfx?
I can't even see the Xbox S casuals even wanting that for a GTA game. I think casuals are happy with the downgrades in other games but GTA they will not compromise imo.
So they'll either buy a PS5 or upgrade to X, bearing in mind the ps5 pro will be out then with standard ps5 getting big discounts over black Friday 2025 maybe £299 or lower for a ps5 and £499 for the PRO.

[maniacmayhem]

10 years plus some change in the making, I'm sure Rockstar has had ample time on the series S dev kit / specs.

Not sure where this article gets it's source to make an opinion that the series S will be a hurdle for Rockstar.

[Cockney]

Generally speaking its a hurdle a lot of games have faltered at, its another hurdle for them to overcome simply because it exists

[maniacmayhem]

I haven't seen a lot of games faltered by the series S. Not to the point where they couldn't be done or made because of it.

And I doubt this is a hurdle for a dev as big as Rockstar. For all we know, GTA 6 could just be a slightly upgraded version of GTA 5. It has been in the making since the beginning of last gen.

[Christopher]

*** Not sure where this article gets it's source to make an opinion that the series S will be a hurdle for Rockstar. ***

Possibly its issue of being a hurdle?

https://comicbook.com/gamin...

[maniacmayhem]

From the article:

***According to one developer,***

Was that one developer Rockstar?

So again, I have to ask, where is this article getting it's opinion that this will be a hurdle for Rockstar.

There will be graphical downgrades from the PS5/Series X of course. Absolutely no one is expecting it to be equal to the high end counterparts.

Rockstar is a premiere developer, with I am sure, more than capable resources at their disposal and all the important contacts on one touch speed dial.

I doubt anything would be a hurdle for them in the same sense that one developer from the article was experiencing.

[Christopher]

@maniacmayhem: Perhaps read further: "If any of this sounds familiar it's because this isn't the first time a developer has brought light to the shortcomings of the Xbox Series S and the problems it poses for developers."

Your attempts to gate keep R* as somehow free of the issues others face... Not quite how that works. It's more "Let's wait and see rather than base a discussion on what we've heard others say with similarly (or even lesser) games of the type."

[maniacmayhem]

@Christopher:

Okay, more conjecture from nameless developers, that still doesn't prove that it would be a hurdle for Rockstar.

One year away, game footage shown and more importantly it has already been announced for Series S.

What hurdles is Rockstar currently facing?

**Your attempts to gate keep R* as somehow free of the issues others face**

That's funny because this is exactly what you're doing, taking an issue few if any has had and applying them to Rockstar, as if those developers would be in the same league as them.

And yes, it is a wait and see type of discussion because so far Rockstar hasn't said anything and many other big developers has given lots of game options for their games to be able to run on S impressively so.

[thesoftware730]

Christopher,

We all know that it will not be on par with the higher-end machines, but to use the word "Hurdle" and use a headline that makes it appear as a problem for R*, and GTA6 is hyperbole. What if they already have it figured it out? what if their engine is already optimized to make it work at lower settings? What if they created it with it lower-spec machines in mind from the start? The fact that the sensational headline states it as something definitive is silly, they didn't even throw in a "Might be" or "possibly", when it's just speculation being tossed around.

For you to use one developer to prove your point, in calling something a hurdle makes no sense, are all devs created equal? do they all have the same engine, resources, skills, and experience? I think not.
What might be a 'Hurdle" for someone might be an easy solution for another.

[Christopher]

***That's funny because this is exactly what you're doing, taking an issue few if any has had and applying them to Rockstar, as if those developers would be in the same league as them. ***

No, I'm saying that hurdles have happened so they can happen here. I am providing proof of hurdles. You are using the lack of anyone specifically at R* talking about this, which they aren't allowed to do for marketing purposes, as proof there aren't issues.

***We all know that it will not be on par with the higher-end machines, but to use the word "Hurdle" and use a headline that makes it appear as a problem for R*, and GTA6 is hyperbole.***

I've heard developers say otherwise. But, hey, you guys know better than developers. Again, this is just more "we have to wait because no one is saying anything and we should ignore those other developers issues because it's R*."

[adamwparker]

Can someone tell me why Baldur's Gate 3 still isn't out on Xbox when it's been out on PS5 for Months????

(the answer makes my comment on topic)

[thesoftware730]

**"No, I'm saying that hurdles have happened so they can happen here. I am providing proof of hurdles. You are using the lack of anyone specifically at R* talking about this, which they aren't allowed to do for marketing purposes, as proof there aren't issues."**

See, again, your very first sentence here shows what I am talking about. Words are important, and in the first sentence you say "Can happen" meaning that it has not happened. The headline says the S, "will be" GTA's first Hurdle, presenting as something factual when all you are doing is speculating. You should not use definitive wording in one breath, and then in the next make it speculation, it's a contradiction.

**"I've heard developers say otherwise. But, hey, you guys know better than developers. Again, this is just more "we have to wait because no one is saying anything and we should ignore those other developers issues because it's R*."**

No one is dismissing other devs, we are talking about this particular game, and instead of presenting it as a possibility, you seem fine creating a definitive problem where none currently exists, R* and GTA6. We are talking about this game, and R* may have planned this out, figured out solutions or just planned accordingly, or a hurdle may never have even existed.

A good example would be Larian had to delay BG3 on the S and X because they 100% ran into a hurdle, which after some time they fixed/figured out, what if R* figured what their game needed to run properly from the outset, is it still a hurdle? Is it hard to believe that a more prolific studio, with a way larger team, money, resources, and experience might be able to avoid the pitfalls of other devs? your "Proof" doesn't fit here as gospel. You are entitled to your opinion, but please don't attempt to make your speculation based on situational factors appear as fact or truth.

[Christopher]

***See, again, your very first sentence here shows what I am talking about. Words are important, and in the first sentence you say "Can happen" meaning that it has not happened. The headline says the S, "will be" GTA's first Hurdle, presenting as something factual when all you are doing is speculating.***

You might have a point if I was replying to the title. I wasn't. I was replying to maniacmayhem's comment.

***No one is dismissing other devs, we are talking about this particular game, and instead of presenting it as a possibility, you seem fine creating a definitive problem where none currently exists, R* and GTA6. We are talking about this game, and R* may have planned this out, figured out solutions or just planned accordingly, or a hurdle may never have even existed. ***

You are by not using them as evidence of the problems have had. Like I said above twice, you're ignoring evidence of problems with the XSS by saying it's not a problem until R* says it is. That's poor discussion and ignores what evidence we have by you claiming we should pay attention to only the lack of specific evidence as an element of this argument and its potential hurdles.

[maniacmayhem]

***No, I'm saying that hurdles have happened so they can happen here. I am providing proof of hurdles.***

No, you are leaving a link of some unnamed developer and then applying it to Rockstar as if this is something they are facing as the article says they are. That's not how it works.

**You are using the lack of anyone specifically at R* talking about this, which they aren't allowed to do for marketing purposes, as proof there aren't issues.**

What an odd statement. So, no one is saying anything from R*, not one problem with development after 10+ years, not one rumor or leak but yet we're supposed to just assume and believe that there are problems they are facing with the S?

And I doubt Rockstar would hold back saying anything, they've been vocal about how they feel about Game Pass, they're definitely in a position where they don't answer to anyone.

This discussion is a moot one because yes, until Rockstar themselves say something, all we're doing here is just pretending we know their development more than actual R* developers.

[Christopher]

***What an odd statement. So, no one is saying anything from R*, not one problem with development after 10+ years, not one rumor or leak but yet we're supposed to just assume and believe that there are problems they are facing with the S?***

Anonymous developers say things anonymously for a reason. It's not at all suspicious that people who would get fired for saying anything would say it anonymously.

[recoctimocassirnff]

You don't need a source. You just need a couple of brain cells and the most basic understanding of how hardware works to know that the ss is going to hamstring the design and scope of this game.

[thesoftware730]

So 100% the SS is Hamstringing GTA6?

So that means the PS5 version will be held back as well, oh, and the rumored PS5 pro version..damn by that logic no need to buy the PS5 pro for this game then since this one console will stop the dev from delivering a fully polished game on ALL platforms.

I only used one brain cell to write this comment.

[Hofstaderman]

But....sliders.......

[darthv72]

....yes, they do actually work.

[Hofstaderman]

Well the DF videos are going to be interesting on this one. All in all Im hyped, not looking forward to a year plus wait though.

[Christopher]

Someone should have told Larian that.

[Hofstaderman]

These peeps still in denial. They really think a few switches can be toggled and hey presto.

[Obscure_Observer]

"Someone should have told Larian that."

Did Rockstar confirmed slip-screen co-op in GTA VI? If not, you´re comparing apples to oranges.

[Hofstaderman]

@Obscure I assume you actually watched the trailer? Doubt that game footage was taken from a Series S.

[purple101]

If call of duty dips down to 24fps on S. Imagine this playing with a chainsaw frame rate. Chop 🪓 chop

[thesoftware730]

Really? This is a made-up concern as R* has not said any such thing, and announced that is coming to the S.

Watch I can do it as well.

Man, GTA6 will have a hard time being optimized for all those PCs not rocking 40XX-50XX cards.

Man. from how good this game looks, I think it will be a big hurdle getting it to run at 60fps on SX and PS5.

Until R* says any of this, it's all nonsense.

[Christopher]

*** Man. from how good this game looks, I think it will be a big hurdle getting it to run at 60fps on SX and PS5. ***

It will struggle at 30fps on PS5 in graphics mode IMHO. R* is good, but not that good. It will probably be similar to Cyberpunk 2077 now in similar mode.

[EvertonFC]

Imagine if in 2 years Rockstar/Phil said there is only a series X version for Xbox ? Nothing would suprise me anymore tbh

[Christopher]

Won't happen for this game. Especially considering the most sold Series console is the S.

[franwex]

If there’s a developer/game that can convince Microsoft to skip the S is this.

[EvertonFC]

At the end of the day 75% of series S owners from Xbox consoles sold will have to make a choice, play gta6 on the S which let's be honest is going to have many downgrades or buy a ps5/pro.

[Demetrius]

Rockstar already said there's no need for a ps5 pro recently so that right there let ya know they probably still know how push hardware power still

[purple101]

The guy that leaked the trailer also said it's comming with a ps5pro bundle. But yeh we can never know till it happens

[nitroxhotshot]

I hope they do not release this on the series s. Dump hardware will just hold it back. Ps5 series x only it should be

[Knightofelemia]

Rockstar nerfing the game to run on the S they aren't the first and they won't be the last.

[Destiny1080]

Immortals of Aveum 436p
Lords of the Fallen 432p
Fifa 720p
GTA6 120p

[Aloymetal]

Lmao! Are those for series S?...

[thesoftware730]

No, because GTA6 is out.

[DivineHand125]

Let me clarify.

Immortals of Aveum PS5/Series X 720P while series S has a base resolution of 768×436

Lords of the Fallen PS5/Series X 1440P30 quality 1080P60 performance while the Series S runs at 1080p30 and 720P60 Dynamic. It has been observed to drop as low as 432p.

EA sports FC 24 PS5/Series X 4k60 while series S runs at 1440P60 Both have dynamic resolution.

[anast]

Ha!

[Ironmike]

There always that one article lol

[gold_drake]

lool
whats up with the "Update" on this article haha.

[Binarycode]

I'm guessing 720p rez for Series s and upscaled to 1440p by FSR2.0

[EvertonFC]

I can't even see how a casual would even go back to 720p in 2023, the series S baffles me even with the casuals 😂🤣

[raWfodog]

I'm sure that Rockstar will do a good job on the XSS. I just hope that they don't hold back anything from the PS5 or XSX because of the XSS. Bring out the very best of the PS5 and XSX versions first, and then work on bringing as much of that over to the XSS.

[kitano1947]

PWNED! all the zoom zooms with the same passwords for everything better get busy!

[aaronaton]

480p 30, and fuck em.

[tbagmonster]

it will be cloud only on the s

[EvertonFC]

That's actually a good point, maybe

[Dfooster]

I swear down that the S console is screwing this generation over. Microsoft dropped a right clanger releasing that machine.

[VincentVanBro]

RDR2 ran on an Xbox One S..... not well mind you, but it ran. Let that sink in lol

[Magog]

AI will likely suffer across all platforms including the eventual PC port. Microsoft really did a disservice to the gaming industry releasing a console with such low memory.