Game Pass is "value destructive," according to Jim Ryan
Phil Spencer confirms that more Xbox games will be available on new platforms during a new interview after Xbox Showcase.
That last article where everyone is having a baby over a showcase is ridiculous because the Xbox showcase was really a multiplat showcase...
@Eonjay
I think people are just happy that they gave us something to be excited about. It being multiplatform stuff makes it even easier to rejoice as everyone gets to enjoy it. This show was really what Summerfest should have been, just with less of an xbox focus obviously.
These shows are fun to watch because we get to be excited about new games.
With that said, I imagine Perfect Dark, South of Midnight and perhaps state of decay 1-3 would be possible candidates for ps5. Doom might also be a given. They didn't really try to hammer home its exclusivity.
@MrBaskerville
Totally agree. I did enjoy SGF though unlike the majority. My personal taste is more eclectic than most. I found stuff at each show to enjoy.
Eon
Come on man, yes it’s multi but as a PS5 and switch owner i enjoyed the show yesterday far more than i did with State of Play.
Most announcements came from nowhere to me, and MGS was a massive surprise to finally see some gameplay.
I’m excited to play some of the games on PS5 one day!
Like i said earlier credit where credit is due.
@Eon
That’s something i have to get used to. I have to see it more like when Ubisoft does their showcase vs Days of Play or Nintendo Direct.
I wished some of these games stayed exclusive. Make it seem like my Series X was a more worthwhile purchase. I use it more for backwards compatibility now so it’s not entirely bad.
Where y'at Obscure? https://ibb.co/qWLK4Zp
You sure have been quiet lately! https://ibb.co/Xk7Y5qj
Elder Scrolls 6 for PS5, please. Also I'd like the Forza franchise, I owned all four of the OG motorsport titles and FM4 is still one of, if not my favourite racing game ever.
NO. This can’t be true. The Xbox influencers on X/Twitter & YouTube who got angry at Phil Spencer then forgave him, guaranteed no other Microsoft games would come to PS5.
@ColtEastwood
@DestinLegarie
@SnapBlastPlay
@MrMattyPlays
@RyanMcCaffrey
@VenomUK
I have seen that colteastwood on x. If you look ul embarrassment in the dictionary a picture of him as a example would be there.
I think people deservidly give obscure a bashing on here. But Colteastwood makes Obscure look like a PS5 cultist haha.
Why forget Sunset Overdrive?
Also there are older titles like Dead Rising 3 and Ryse Son of Rome.
Single-player Bethesda games usually gets better over time with future patches and DLCs
Satya Nadella wants that PlayStation's money, Phil Spinster now is as relevant as MySpace
Phil Spencer (February 15th 2024):
"Looking forward so 4 games no promise beyond that, so if you're on those other platforms and you see these four games coming please don't take it as some signal that everything is coming, it's not."
Phill Spencer (June 9th 2024)
'Our commitment to our Xbox customers is you're going to get the opportunity to buy or subscribe to the game, we're going to support the game on other screens. And you are going to see more of our games on more platforms and we just see that as benefit that the franchises we're building and we see that from players and the players love to be able to play'
I won't be buying any Xbox games anyway, Not going to subsidize their vision of changing gaming industry into streaming everything via a netflix subscription and they are the only choice. Remember when it comes to Microsoft "It's us or no one" You can't complain after they have taken over either.
Especially when they "give" it to Xbox users and expect playstation users to pay full price for it. Like second class citizens.
Ironmike
He will be missed, if he wasn't going to be missed Microsoft wouldn't be putting the games on PlayStation.
Make up your mind xbox guys, do you want to brag about Sea of Thieves success on PlayStation or do you want to cry about all your games going to PlayStation?
So, the benefit of having an Xbox is the option of a subscription service that's more like a buffet and not a deluxe plate. By staying loyal to Xbox means day 1 "free" games of your choice. Xbox is a service.
If rumors are true Xbox is going the 3DO route, Xbox is basically a PC. I mean, since PlayStation caved and started using off the shelf parts to "make it easier on developers", which is a croc as were how far into this console generation and the only devs to really support PS5, kind of, is Insomniac, San Diego, and Santa Monica and we've seen nothing from other devs. PS4 was supposed to be easier so PS5 would be even easier, right? But what've we really seen from Sony first party when it comes to PS5 games? Nothing, they're all still possible on PS4. Xbox? Same thing. Hi-Fi Rush was possible on at least Xbox One X (another lie from Xbox with No one gets left behind). Wow
The original comment still stands, as long as they withold one or two series of games on xbox. Most could come but that still wouldn't mean that you could expect every game to arrive.
I suspect they want people to speculate, because then you don't know whether you should wait for a ps5 port or buy an xbox. Every game is Schroedingers exclusive.
The interpretation of his first comment is not to expect more than these 4 games. The interpretation of the second comment is not to expect any game to be exclusive to Xbox.
His communication is all over the place. The fact that we can't decipher what he means is what people are complaing about. He should simply say, games are coming to PlayStation but we don't have a set policy that applies to all titles. Sometimes less is more.
You can go back further to last year’s Kinda Funny interview with Phil. Microsoft has been slowly getting the Xbox user base ready for this. It’s like the parable about putting a frog into a pot of water and slowly turning up the heat. We will be at boiling when Halo comes to PlayStation.
thats what i mean when i say hes a big bullshitter, girl doesnt rly know what hes talking about.
@purple lol that was a nice 720 doughnut, spin around for a month only to turn his back after the heat died down a bit
There’s this small part of me which wants to think that the reason for Sony being so calm lately, especially after Microsoft’s showcase, is because they know this themselves, and they could know more than what’s being said publicly.
But, Lego Horizon is on the Switch. Why is Nintendo the only comfortable one here. They're not even on PC
Stupid take. The Lego game has been made by a Lego studio with advice on the IP from guerilla games. So part of the negotiations/requirements to make it happen will clearly have been done kind of multiplatform release.
That Lego game definitely exists to get kids to want to buy the proper Horizon games on PS5/PS4 (plus the multiplayer game). It's basically a giant advertisement. And kids love the Switch.
nintendo is comfortable because their first party games sell in the tens of millions.
Sony gives them the PS5's development kit so they know exactly which studios are making games for their consoles, or at least they can make an estimate based on the number of kits requested.
People just loves to talk but in a couple of days this showcase will be already forgotten, and by the way 90% of the stuff shown is multiplatform.
If they wanted xbox cash they would allow gamepass on PlayStation 5
Or just let microsoft buy sony as they could without any issues to there bottom line.
@hof
Are you still in your pre 2010 bubble?
Microsoft is a trillion dollar company without playstation sony would have gone bankrupt years ago that is just facts.
Microsoft q1 2024 made 23.3 billion
https://www.theverge.com/20...
sony all of last year without buying a entire company remember q1 2024 for mircosoft as in spring so sony all 12months made 85 billion.
https://www.macrotrends.net...
Microsoft after buying various companies including acrtivison made 212 billion for 2023
https://www.macrotrends.net...
Sony has not made any big purchases were Microsoft continues to do so in the ai space and gaming space even in the military.
So yes microsoft could easily buy sony and not bat a eye.
Their bottom line is irrelevant a Japanese company like Sony is not going to sell out to an American one so you can go ahead and let that little dream die. Kind of ridiculous to make comment such as yours in an article about the fact more xbox games are coming to other consoles, so who is it that's really hurting for cash here? It's rhetorical you don't have to answer, everyone already knows the answer.
@romulus23
Hurting for cash? blinder on maximum
There doing this to make more cash like the court leak that showed ms wanted gamepass on PlayStation to expand its customer base its all about making more cash.
Right now they are losing out on the full pie by having it on the playstation store but if they buy sony then ms get's 100% of the sale.
Also a japan company not being owned by america? LOL you really do not know what happened after the 40's do you
Or want happened to Toshiba recently
If they toss a bag of billions at sony japan they will accept it
It seems the idea is to have other platforms(PS and PC) offset the cost of game pass.
Xbox users get the games on game pass while others pay full price.
Gamepass seems to be Xbox's idea of "exclusive".
These guys are so inconsistent with their messaging. It's difficult to know exactly what they want to do with their games. I've stopped caring. I just focus on the games.
This. When I saw day one on gamepass for every game I asked myself how will they make money? Answer: release on PS5 and get your sales from there and if lucky leople will sub on PC and XBOX. To ensure consistent subscriptions, space out the games. Either way MS has well and truly effed itself and Phil is a snake standing there pretending they all exclusives.
Interview with Isabella Inchbald, Actress for (Indika) in Indika which is an emotional, thought provoking journey through a nun's tale in questioning her religion.
PlayStation legend Mark Cerny discusses PS5, the challenges of making consoles, and his 42-year games industry career
Well... they used to design their own chips. Emotion Engine, Cell, RSX... when they switched to using X86 based chips is now more akin to low-mid cost PCs than before. It may not look like a PC but it pretty much is one. I'd bet it could do productivity stuff just fine if they allowed it to.
I think series consoles are closer to pc than playstation seeing as they used the full suite of rdna 2 functions, didn't Sony strip a lot of that away to streamline their machine to be games focused? Its probably lacking in the office and productivity department, don't ask me what their custom chip does or doesn't do I just remember reading a lot about at the time, "rdna 1.5" was the call and yet what we see is pretty much level pegging as far as games go
Actually, stripping that away doesn't streamline, it hinders. Those features are actually helpful for gaming.
And they didn't strip them out, they just didn't work closely enough to be able to use them all since specs weren't finalized. Microsoft took an inside line on that one.
The reason why things are equal is because Xbox rarely has games designed on their box, they are usually designed on PS5 and ported over. So Xbox loses the power edge it has to making up the poor optimization.
It's ok, I think the lesson is you have to have a significant increase in power of 30 percent or more to be noticeable. And you have to sell enough to become the lead console for development otherwise you lose that power.
@GamerRN
PS5 outperforms series x because it uses custom chips to process things that on xbox need to be done by the GPU/CPU.
Things like Tempest Audio, and it's custom compression chip for SSD as well as having a separate chip for upscaling using checkerboard and presumably FSR runs off it as well.
O please stop the myth that the seriesX mythe is the only console that is using the "the full suite or Rdna2" is already debunked al long time ago.
The consoles use video ram as system ram as well since it's all shared, so nah.
I have read it... I dont think anyone can build a PC that equates to the performance of a PS5/Series X for anywhere close to their selling point. Not for a while at least.
And my comment about them switching from custom chips to more PC related just adds to that fact. whether people want to believe it or not... Sony has built a low cost (not spec, there is a difference) PC.
We need better games on these consoles. This generation has been such a huge letdown so far. Moving forward these current consoles will be supported even when newer Playstation and Xbox are in the market. AAA games have been so expensive to make and it seems fun is taken out of games and loot boxes take their place. Try playing a NBA 2k game it's like a casino with slot machines
The cost of making these games is a scam
Nba 2k19 to 2k14 its like madden the budget to make went stupid high but the fundamental of the game and the game modes never changed.
Anything now even basic intersection construction is tens of millions but pre coivid few hundred grand.
2018 here is $400 landscaping now here is the pink slip to my car.
I swear the cost of everything is the same but there taking of that huge profit top for there own pockets.
The PS5 is incredibly customized.
The SSD, the Tempest Audio, the APU itself is a mix of cross generation AMD hardware in order to be more optimized for gaming and cost efficient.
The PS5 Pro also has features from cross generation AMD hardware with RT features from RDNA 4 plus it's own custom upscaler PSSR.
PlayStation 5 Pro features next-gen RDNA 4-based ray tracing engine, allows 2-3x faster RT
https://www.tweaktown.com/n...
PlayStation still uses custom designed hardware.
honestly... I dont know why some are taking offense to it being called a low cost PC. It really is... and low cost is a good thing. the article did not say low performance PC... that is totally different.
I'm saying they still are designing their own chips, they just use AMD templates.
The PS5 APU has features from RDNA 1 2 and 3, and the PS5 Pro adds features from RDNA 4, and the CPU is the same with it own customized features.
Then all of that is paired with other custom chips.
What you all said my rig in my bedroom can do it no issues
That plastic box has a 2020 cpu with the pro using a 2021 6700
The custom is do to them being dirt cheap with a 2 prong power supply so they made a cpu/gpu combo chip aka apu.
Get a amd laptop with there new mobile chips get the same performance.
Its this site even the head admin banned me for awhile being but hurt over my "anti" sony comments.
n4g is pro sony nothing sony will ever do can change that.
When you only look at the big flagship chips that seems true, but there's a lot going on in a modern console that takes advantage of being a dedicated kit. The various elements put into how the pipelines are connected shape the direction of games. End to end decryption and data streaming is something big that PC can only kind of do and with less certainty for example. Dedicated audio chip that rivals the main CPU in the PS4 is a big paradigm shift, devs used to fight for cores and audio was often last priority, whereas in traditional PC design the main CPU does both of those jobs of processing audio and decryption, while also performing all the other CPU based tasks.
It's not the custom silicon that used to be what made consoles but there's a lot more to consoles now. Data storage was not even a consideration and almost no RAM was on old consoles. Now there needs to be an enormous amount of SSD storage, and RAM to make these games tick with how much is demanded from them.
@darth
Your comment show how many sony blindboys are on here
You are 100% correct but to add on the gamecube-ps3 also had a gpu/cpu combo back in the day unlike modern consoles that are just glorified tablets using apu/igpu's.
I miss the ps3 era start of ps4 era that sony was awesome
Yah, hence the majority of the PS5’s hardware investment going towards an SSD instead of a GPU.
There are countless custom pc gaming rigs out there, and I bet none of them took an SSD-centric approach to their design, like the ps5 did.
LMAO wow sony blind boy's are mad in love
That is called direct storage windows 10 has had that for over 5 year's every computer with a nvme based ssd has had that tech for years.
https://www.thewindowsclub....
The ps6 will then have this new amazing tech you all will go crazy over resize bar
https://www.howtogeek.com/8...
But that tech has been out for 2 years all 40series gpu's intel gpus and the new amd cards have that tech.
There is nothing a ps5 can do over a 4+ year old computer 2019 rig want resize bar? get a cheap amd/intel card for half the cost of a ps5.
Clearly you did not watch Cerny’s first ps5 breakdown, so you don’t appreciate EVERYthing Cerny did to leverage their extremely fast SSD.
I can see where he’s coming from re ps5 not just being a box with parts like a pc. They must also spend an awful lot on r & d just to design the thing so it has aesthetic appeal and typical Japanese with some sort of Philosopy behind the design. Would also think other factors around the custom airflow and the like would cost a lot given that it’s not a standard box shape
true, but the alternative is, relatively, a expensive ordeal.
unless you dont game at all ha.
Just spent 2000k on a 4070ti super 7800x3d 1440p gaming pc. Honestly consoles will never be replaced at this wide a gap in price. I plan to get a ps5 pro too.
@mk
You waisted 2 grand you mean
At 1440p a amd4 chipset with a 5600x3d combined with a 6750xt even a 6800 can push 1440p just a much for half the cost or less used/new and or sales.
I have a 75hhz monitor in my bedroom 1440p playing games maxed out spent around 1200cad but aio 5800x3d 32gb of ram and a 6750xt 28 or 30 inch monitor.
Every time i hear pc so expensive i just laugh you can spend less than $500 buy a used ebay rig fix it up or a office pc toss in a cheap low profile card.
If you look into the hardware beyond just the CPU and GPU things start to look different, and there's plenty beyond just those two parts, those two parts even are modified to their own design in some degree.
....and yet they keep on agreeing to the terms and releasing their games on it.
Unanimously is a bit strong. There are definitely genres where GamePass is perfect, especially for GaaS games with an initial cost. I mean, MLB The Show is a prime example of a game perfect for GamePass.
No self-respecting game developer wants to give their hard work away on a sub-standard subscription services, basically created for the cheap xbox gamers who wait for hand-outs on gamepass.
I agree with Jim Ryan with the caveat it works with indies and niche genres.
Smaller publishers don't mind because it's a handout that minimizes their risk. Getting a check from Microsoft is like welfare for gaming. Larger publishers like Take Two have voiced their opinions that it's detrimental to their sales. A game like GTA would increase subscriptions for Microsoft but be a losing proposition for profits. And Microsoft isn't going to pay Rockstar millions in potential sales for the game to be on game pass.
The majority of big publishers and developers would not release a multi million developed game on game pass. And they haven't. Only Microsoft because it's their service.