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Xbox's Phil Spencer says he wouldn't use Sony's own exclusivity tactics against PlayStation

Xbox gaming CEO Phil Spencer says he has no interest in using Sony's tactics of paying third-party studios for exclusivity deals to skip PlayStation.

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isarai336d ago

But you already do that...wtf are you talking about?

-Mika-336d ago

They are speaking exclusively on Activision Blizzard games! Please read the article!

isarai336d ago

I did, and yeah they still do that. They plainly stated as such untill the FTC stepped in then MS said "well how about a 10yr deal to compromise" which is still exactly the same just delayed

S2Killinit336d ago

MS is spewing out a constant stream of misinformation.

4Sh0w335d ago (Edited 335d ago )

Well they do and he should but I really hate the BS that comes out of Phil's mouth these days.

I would tell somebody to let Phil know not only does he engage in buying 3rd party exclusives which means they aren't on ps but buying the publisher is a much bigger step beyond that, but why, he's a smart dude, he knows that, so please stop the nice guy routine it just sounds cringe, be the head of Xbox, & stop apologizing for making deals for Xbox investment, ps fans gonna hate you no matter what you say anyway.

IRetrouk335d ago

The article literally states 3rd party.....
Ms has and does indeed do what he was asked and answered no too, like all the video game manufactures have.... even io's new game is gonna be exclusive, thats literally doing what he said he wouldnt🤣

BlaqMagiq1335d ago

Irrelevant. They did it during the 360 era, the Xbone era, and are already doing it now with literal acquisitions like Bethesda.

StormSnooper335d ago (Edited 335d ago )

If he is acquiring Activision, then they wouldn't even be 3rd party soo... how would he "not do 3rd party exclusivity" if they already would own Activision? Its crazy, Spenser just says nonsense and people gobble it up. It doesn't even have to make sense. They just feed buzz words to their fans so they think that MS is the good guys despite all the shitty things they are doing. Its mass brainwashing.

rippermcrip335d ago

So what, it still makes the jab at Sony completely stupid. Don't call it a Sony tactic, when Microsoft has done it plenty.

ChiefofLoliPolice335d ago

We did genius...and guess what THEY STILL DO THAT NOW WITH BETHESDA! You think it will be any different with AB?

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PapaBop335d ago

Actions speak louder than words and Phil loves to run his mouth, whatever he says they have planned, I'll counter it with Starfield.

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darthv72336d ago

Maybe he is referring to paid exclusivity, not just timed. Like SFV and FF16 for example. I can only really think of Gears of war as having had its PS3 version canceled because MS paid for it and then later on bought the IP. when it comes to timed stuff... both are guilty of that. When it comes to paid full exclusivity, Sony is just better at it than MS.

Outside_ofthe_Box336d ago

Isn't FF16 timed for 6 months?

parkesy78335d ago

What about tombraider or gta dlc or redfall and starfield being cancelled

Crows90335d ago

False.
Microsoft has now fully paid for devs to skip PlayStation. They outright bought them.

Sony has been able to do that for a long time...instead they choose to nurture their own studios. Now Microsoft is on a buying spree...first time a platform holder has done this.

StormSnooper335d ago

More like he just says buzz words for his audience to make them believe MS are the good guys in all this while they pull off the shittiest acquisition in history of the gaming industry. His statement doesn't even make sense. But that does not matter.

FlintGREY335d ago

DOA4 and DEAD Rising 3 has yet to be released on Playstation

darthv72335d ago

Flint, DR3 was published by MS, not Capcom. It wasn't even developed by Capcom JP, it was done by Vancouver studios. As for DoA4, whatever deal MS had with Tecmo/Team Ninja is similar to whatever the deal between Namco and Sony was for Soul Calibur 3. If you dont know, while XB/PS2/GCN received SC2, only SC3 came to PS2 and then SC4 was multi-plat same with 5 and 6. It is weird how certain entries in a franchise can be singled out... like SFV.

Magic_Spatula335d ago

Sony literally paid for development of SFV. Yoshinori Ono said the game wouldn't have happened if Sony didn't offer to partially pay for the development of the game.

Magic_Spatula335d ago

@Outside_ofthe_Box
Is it timed exclusive? I though it was released on PS5 first cuz that's where Final Fantasy sells and he wanted to give the PC version extra time for development and add graphical stuff you can't do with the PS5 version and optimization.

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-Foxtrot336d ago

I know right it’s hilarious

Bioshock, Mass Effect, GTAIV DLC, Rise of the Tomb Raider so on

They started this, Sony does the same and now they are making out Sony is to blame.

darthv72336d ago

...and yet all of those came to PS at some point. I think what Phil is talking about is what Sony did to SFV. Whereby they paid for full console exclusivity. Sony's tactic is to pay to keep titles off the competition. MS doesnt do that unless they buy the company that is making it. THEN they can make games exclusive or fulfill contractual obligations (like they have done).

-Foxtrot336d ago

Sony funded the majority of SFV

Soooo….

lodossrage335d ago

Yeah but if we want to bring up SF5 (which Sony funded), why not bring up Splinter Cell Conviction or Dead Rising 3?

So again, Microsoft acts like they don't do the same thing, but they DO

Notellin335d ago

Foxtrot is the biggest spreader of misinformation on the entire website.

Microsoft paid for the development of Mass Effect 1 and it was published by Microsoft game studios. It only went multiplatform after EA bought Bioware. Make sure you do some research before you just make stuff up.

DivineHand125335d ago

This is a reach. The same excuse you used for Street Fighter 5 is the same excuse that we can use for Tomb Raider. Xbox "funded" that game. The only difference is that we eventually saw Tomb Raider on Playstation.

The other dealings happened more than a decade ago and both Playstation and Xbox were different businesses back then.

lodossrage335d ago

@DivineHand125

It doesn't matter how long deals happened. And Dead Rising 3 is from last gen, just like Street Fighter 5.

And Microsoft only paid for timed exclusivity for Rise of the Tomb Raider. They didn't help fund development.

https://gameworldobserver.c...

Sony however did pay for the actual development of the game

https://www.theouterhaven.n...

-Foxtrot335d ago

@Notellin

Lmao

I spread misinformation

Okay okay

So where’s your proof Microsoft 100% funded Mass Effect?

Come on, links, I’ve just checked myself and there’s nothing on it just the odd speculation

So practice what you preach

DivineHand125335d ago

@lodossrage That article you provided about Rise of the Tomb raider only tells me how much Microsoft paid to Crystal Dynamics for that deal.

Here is an article with an interview from an employee at the time when the deal was announced.

"In the interview, Crystal Dynamics GM Darrell Gallagher reveals that Microsoft’s main role is to help bring Rise of the Tomb Raider to market. They are there to help the developers achieve their goals, and to assist in development if needed."

https://gamerant.com/rise-o...

I was here on N4G complaining about the deal at the time when it happened, so it is still fresh in my mind.

Huey_My_D_Long335d ago

https://masseffect.fandom.c...
Its really funny how you can ask google these questions. Microsoft Published Mass Effect originally before EA bought the Bioware. I'll just remind you of google if my source doesn't quite satisfy you.
Heres what publishers do "They publish and market games and invest in projects and games developers. Publishers can help you with everything from advice and management of the game development process, financing and distribution to marketing of the game via various channels." Also from google

-Foxtrot335d ago

Did you just link…a wiki

Good grief

Even in that wiki you have people saying “it will only come to PS3 if Sony pays MS a lot of money” but why?

If it was quickly owned by EA and they owned the IP then why do they need Microsoft’s permission?

Yeah.

That’s why you don’t link stupid wikis where it’s just community discussion

The fact is there’s literally no actual real break down of this whole thing

darthv72335d ago

@fox... you can say 'funded' all you want. That's just another way of saying 'paid'. And the agreement Capcom made with Sony is one of their biggest regrets. The stipulations of that agreement was that no version would be made available for any other console platform. Even the subsequent Arcade, Super / Ultra versions.

If you didn't know, the discs used for those other versions are the exact same code as the initial release. Capcom did that to stay in compliance with the agreement. Had they actually pressed new discs... they would be in violation and subject to legal matters from Sony. The discs were relabeled with each release but the content is byte for byte exact with the first pressing.

shinoff2183335d ago

Ms came out swinging with the 360 the same way and in fact probably went overboard compared to Sony and the handful of 3rd party exclusives Sony has today.

MrNinosan334d ago

@darthv72
Oh, like Knights of the old Republic, Splinter Cell, Dead Rising, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon and many many more...

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Becuzisaid335d ago (Edited 335d ago )

@S2Killinit
Misinformation is the ACCIDENTAL spread of false information. This is not that. This is disinformation.

badz149335d ago

"we aren't like or will ever do anything like Sony, who always making deals left and right to secure exclusivity. that's disgusting. we buy the publisher outright like real men!" - Phil Spencer (maybe haha)

The one and only Good Guy Phil, everybody! spending money buying games, so xbox owners don't have to!

Sharky231335d ago

They did the same thing with their showcase. Phil said we’re not gonna show a lot of cg trailers. Then they proceeded to show a lot of cg trailers.

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XiNatsuDragnel336d ago

But you're doing that already I'm confused?

InUrFoxHole335d ago

You're confused because you believe anything Phil or Ryan tell you. They're lying companies designed to get your $. That's why they both lie.

blacktiger335d ago

Now that's exactly what u I wanted to hear. Sony said it's not anti competitive. No kidding, Sony wants to do the same thing,

StormSnooper335d ago

Lets not bundle them up together when one is clearly running around with disinformation to get this deal go through though.

InUrFoxHole335d ago

@storm
You mean like when sony said cod isn't the end all be all? Or when sony said the exact same tactics they use are now an issue when MS does them? You see, it's gamers like you that they prey upon. Oh they like us so they'll turn the other way when we lie or do shady things. They are both a corporation that will get away with as much as we let them. Wether its hook or crook.

RedDevils334d ago

You're not very bright if you think he is the only smart one unless you forget /s

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4Sh0w335d ago (Edited 335d ago )

Of course they do, I dont think he understands how stupid this makes him look. I sort of get the PR angle to stay away from the fanboyish take that its all about "ha ha we took a exclusive from ps" BUT he could easily be honest & professional by just saying for example "We seek out 3rd party deals and even publishers to grow our portfolio which helps us better compete within the gaming industry." Everyone outside extreme fanboys, get that. That's *part of his job, so all attempts to act like a neutral good guy always fail, so I dont know why he insists on trying so hard to be liked by everyone.

Petebloodyonion335d ago (Edited 335d ago )

Then please provide the list of 3rd party games under (Phil Spencer's leadership) where Phil paid a deal to make sure the game skip Playstation!
You know that list would be great for the advocate of the FTC who could use it to challenge Phil's testimony just likewhen an advocate made Phil confirm that MS was in no real position to secure 3rd deal.

"Q You can't afford to make those kinds of upfront payments to make those exclusive deals, right?
Yes, it is more expensive for us to pay somebody to not ship on PlayStation than for Sony to not ship on Xbox."

https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

andy85335d ago

He does worse 😂 some of the games only on PS are times. He outright buys the studio so they will never appear on PS 😂😂 which is worse

Petebloodyonion335d ago

Why is it worse?
Last I checked when you own the studio, you still have to pay to make the game.
You do have to live with the risk of failure like Redfall + the cost of making it work despite bleeding money.
And lastly, you live with the financial consequence of not getting some money from another system in hopes that it will boost yours.

On the other hand, paying exclusivity for known AAA games is pretty easy when you're the market leader
1) You suffer no future potential risk since it's not your game and the deal usually consists of a lump sum or a reduction of the %cut on each sale.
and lastly, You know exactly the irreparable damage you will do to the other brand.

Heck case in point Jim Ryan has no problem with Starfield being exclusive but is against the idea of COD belonging to Xbox due to the risk of Xbox getting a better version of the game).
https://mp1st.com/news/play...
https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

Pretty sure that SF5 and FFVII exclusivity made sure that no RPG or fighting fans bought an Xbox at the start of the generation, especially when they would have been paying for a PS+ subscription with their PS4.

But back at my initial topic
List of 3rd party games skipping PS4-5 due to exclusivity deal.

MrBaskerville335d ago (Edited 335d ago )

Here's a list of third parties that MS paid to skip PS either permanently or timed:

Recent:
Scorn
Octopath Traveller
High on Life
Tunic (Released a while after)
Vampire Survivor
Stalker 2
Slayer X

Old:
Quantum Break
Alan Wake
Rise of the Tomb Raiser
Blue Dragon
Lost Odyssey
Dead Rising 3
Gears of War
Mass Effect 1
Luckys Tale
Bioshock

List is much longer, but these are just the ones I remember. Know of atleast 10 indies that I have forgotten the titles of.

Petebloodyonion335d ago

@Mr Basketville
Great Scott
Quick bring that list of mighty exclusive IPs to the FTC advocate so they can show how MS is playing dirty by funding some small unknown or making a deal for the biggest IP known as Octopath Traveler

But I give you kudos
Octopath Traveller is indeed an IP coming from a major publisher that Square won't comment on a PS version
so that's 1.

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Bathyj335d ago

How does anyone support this company?

InUrFoxHole335d ago

The same way they support Sony. They're willing to look past the lies because they have games they like to play.

derek335d ago

@Bathyj, I'm convinced alot of the post in favor "Phil the used car salesman" and Microsoft are paid astroturfers. I'm inclined not believe such things but given the sheer amount of propaganda coming Microsoft/Activision this last year around this acquisition its clearly a coordinated effort.

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Neil Druckmann clarifies true intent of new Naughty Dog game comments

Following a recent interview with Sony, Naughty Dog head Neil Druckmann claims the original intent was “unfortunately lost” in the process.

just_looken3d ago

He can take dog shit put it in a oven with seasoning then call it waistland cookies the sony fans will pay $40 a cookie give them a medal of cooking.

No mater what trash this sobs puts out/talks about it will sell.

The true fact in the 8 years sense uncharted 4 his first time in the main seat to a point all this "amazing" team did was get 2 dudes to fuck in a van then destroy a franchise they never created.

But being a port studio they are decent at they should keep in there lane at being just that a glorified port studio.

fr0sty3d ago

Salty Bots... gotta love it.

just_looken3d ago

@frosty

Over what? naught dog under his command is a glorified port team tlou2 was mostly tlou 1 asset's with the same game play loop but forced a trans down your throat.

I would gladly help pay for this blight and his team to get removed from gaming in general.

fr0sty2d ago

Seeing a LGBT person exist in a work of fiction isn't "forcing them down your throat". Nobody is forcing you to play it. Nobody is forcing you to agree with it. If you think that just seeing a LGBT person exist is "force", it sounds like they make you very uncomfortable, and maybe you need to be doing some serious reflecting on exactly why... looks to me like you're suppressing something with all that fear.

just_looken2d ago

@fro

When i think of the last of us i think of a group of survivors crossing the apocalypse wasteland with a growing bond between 2 people that end up with Joel making ellie his new daughter.

Then you fire up the 2nd one bang joel is dead oh that comic series? bang dead

Oh you want to continue all that we grew in the first one? na f that toss it in the trash

Now here is a trans woman so strong superboy would blush go out there kill all what made tlou1 then halfway get a forced sex scene that you can not skip between 2 dudes.

The gameplay? just like the first game the combat/backpack system crafting sytem? 0 changes/improvements.

I could go on but lets face it they copy pasted that tlou 1 assets bin a shit ton of times.

There is nothing on the box or the ads or anything before the game that said you would going to spend most of the game controlling a new trans character that has no ties to anything of the first game the only existence was to kill what the first game made.

Oh but hey there is a mp mode coming out before 2022 wait what is that? oh we made it its own game then cancelled it now go but the game again as we port it a few times.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

mkis0072d ago (Edited 2d ago )

What has Straley or Henig released since they left ND? Not a thing! stop scapegoating! Which of them is credited with co-writing a majorly successful show?

just_looken2d ago

@mkis007

You bring up Bruce Straley really? someone that gave us 4 generations of amazing games and was there in the creation of 4 legendary franchises but was tossed in the trash for the pos niel druckmann not 7? years ago

So yeah in those 7? years you right all he has done is get 2 awards one is a game award for a puzzle game he made oh boy right like for fuck sake's all niel has done is one game that was a overhyped fan boy orgasm underneath all that ps jizz was just a typical 5/10 game.

Then you drag Amy Hennig that poor woman was also kicked out then became this century's Brendan Fraser with her sexual misconduct information coming out.

We all know how horrible people are treated behind the scenes she might have been sexual attacked groped or something.

So yeah all she did after was battlefield hardline forspoken now that new marvel 1945 game but hey Brendan Fraser was a great actor till he also said he was sexually attacked just now he is allowed back in no doubt she also had to take a leave of absence out and or was forced out on ice.

Man there are way to many out there that look at niel at the new gaming jesus when all he had done is some work on uncharted 4 then tlou2

Oh also the tvhshow? for real all they did was use stuff from the 2013 game its like saying GOT was a 10/10 but never watching past season 3

-Foxtrot2d ago

@mkis007

That's highly unfair to them both

Amy Hennig got messed around working on projects that got cancelled by the publishers (EA) and then ended up on a awful game (Forspoken) where you had 4 other writers working on it which is just a recipe for disaster. She is now working on Marvel 1943: Rise of Hydra. Not her fault she was pushed out of NaughtyDog, something both Nolan North and Richard McGonagle have both said in interviews.

Bruce Straley left after burn out, the rest of the story we don't know and will never know just like what happened with Amy Hennig. He decided to take a break and wasn't sure if he wanted to come back to gaming however he had an idea he wanted to make so he founded Wildflower Interactive, a smaller studio where they are currently working on a new game.

Tacoboto2d ago

@the obvious stain of a commenter

The trans character wasn't Abby. Try playing Part 2 instead of gatekeeping what you think Part 1 was about and meant.

Maybe try watching the show while you're at it, because you're terribly off with your opinion on that too

MajorLazer2d ago

Naughty Dog is better than all the MS studios put together.

derek2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@just he has been behind 2 of the greatest games ever made. Tlou2 was easily the best non-vr game made last gen. Losers just can't get over Joel's death, mixed with the usual console war nonsense. The fact that you so casually call him a sob shows how deranged some gamers have become about Drunkmann.

derek2d ago

@frosty, for people like Just, including anyone that can be categorized as being a minority in any kind of media is "forcing it down his throat " lol. I to don't care for poor "checking box" inclusion for inclusion sake but that was not the case with tlou2.

fr0sty2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

The pathetic part about it is, you can tell just_looken never even played TLOU, because that was the game where Ellie's sexuality was first brought to light... No "that was forced down our throats" to be said about that.

Only terrified folks in the closet that use their hatred as cover from outing themselves fear LGBT people that much. They exist. They will exist in all aspects of life, including popular media. Get over it.

just_looken2d ago

@all

Once again you drag out something like its a big win

Here is my old channel a clip of me playing TLOU on ps3
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Search my channel for more clips

Proof its my channel? look at this profiles banner that is 7yrs old then look at other vids on that channel like my bf3 clips to see my psn id. But knowing this group that is way to much work.

Also elle being a lesbian is another trump card? one dlc is all we got of that a dlc that took over a year to be tossed out.

Rainbowcookie2d ago

Hey at least we have cookies to eat 😄

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Rangerman12083d ago

Glad he clarified it but i'm still somewhat skeptical. Plus, his comments about how Ai will revolutionize storytelling were still pretty iffy.

anast3d ago

No need to bow down, Stan your ground. The AI comments were gross though.

S2Killinit3d ago

Pretty excited as I read these. I just cant wait to see what ND is up to.

Export3d ago

put a chick in it and make her gay !

shadowknight2033d ago

Next they need a diverse couple, and perhaps some climate activists

StormSnooper2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I would love that if only to piss off all the lunatics. Lol

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Naughty Dog Boss Neil Druckmann Says AI Will 'Revolutionize' Development

Druckmann claims the tech could 'push the boundaries of storytelling in games.'

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Jin_Sakai5d ago

I’m more interested in what else he said.

“Neil Druckmann says new Naughty Dog title could ‘redefine mainstream perceptions of gaming’

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H94d ago

It will be something like "we erased gameplay all together it's just a movie now"

purple1014d ago

every time naughty dog make a game, you play it and get the feeling "this is not possible'

from the boulder running towards you in crash, on ps1,
to the massive open world of jak and daxter, on ps2,
to the QuickTime events sequences of uncharted on ps3/4

and now we will see what they do with ps5,

H94d ago

Press X for doubt at "PS5"

-Foxtrot4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Arrogant asshole who sniffs his own farts bigs up next game…sounds like typical PR to me

You know what I find interesting? Almost every site reporting this as the main title where the REAL interesting bit of the interview is Neil praising AI and saying it will be used to help push story, characters, dialogue and more.

It’s super shitty to big up AI especially when it comes to story telling and other creative elements.

senorfartcushion4d ago

Just because someone says this type of stuff, it doesn't mean that it's guaranteed to be good news.

You can say this about microtransactions. MXTs revolutionised the gaming industry.

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Levii_924d ago

Geez how full of themselves are these guys.

Einhander19724d ago

He also said it has "ethical issues we need to address" but of course that doesn't get the clicks.

CrimsonWing694d ago

I’m all for it. Cuts the time to make a game. Look, Hellblade 2 took 5 years to make, if AI can do that in half the time, as a consumer, I support it.

Chard4d ago

Things will get far sloppier brother

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The Witcher 3 REDkit Q&A - CDPR & Yigsoft Confirm Steam Workshop Support; Further Changes Planned

CD Projekt RED and Yigsoft have launched The Witcher 3 REDkit on PC. We interviewed both studios to discuss the release of these mod tools.

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