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Starfield At 30FPS Is A Creative Decision, Says Xbox's Phil Spencer

"At some point, not to get all geeky about it, but there's render time per-frame and teams can either want to go horizontal or go kind of deep on a frame, and it's a creative choice.

We obviously have games that are running at 4K/60 on the platform. It’s not a platform issue, it’s a creative decision.

I trust the decisions Bethesda Game Studios makes, and I trust what I'm playing.

I don't ever want us to turn playing games into a math exercise... I'm not saying that 60[FPS] or resolution don't impact what you play, but I don't think we want that to turn into an Excel thing.

I think you want to give the creatives the tools to make the best decisions, and the game will be what it is.

I think Starfield's going to be a great game and I love the reception today, and I don't want to kind of force specs on every game before they start."

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Knushwood Butt355d ago

'and I trust what I'm playing.'.

He played Redfall.

chrisx354d ago

Yeah. Just another PR talk nothing more. There's no excuse as to why this game doesn't have an option to play at 60fps, I mean Xbox is the most powerful console ever, or so they were using as the bragging rights.

RpgSama354d ago

This is not a Math exercise, you should not bring up the fact that it's a 12 teraflops machine, those are just numbers in an excel sheet, the option to play in 60fps are just numbers in an excel spreadsheet, they do not make a difference, LOL.

The mental gymnastics of "Good Guy Phil" are amazing.

EvertonFC354d ago

Agreed, I find it funny how lots of the Xbox YouTube influencers have said there playing Starfield on PC yet they've been saying Xbox is back baby on there respective channels yet there playing it in on PC 😂🤣

darthv72354d ago

40fps would be a nice trade off... if it supported 120hz output.

dumahim354d ago

Has there been any Xbox 40fps games yet? I mean, meant to run that, on purpose.

Army_of_Darkness354d ago

Everyone stfu. Xbox finally has an exclusive. Let them enjoy the moment.

Profchaos354d ago

It's sad to not see more of a push to a 40 fps minimum it's barely any sacrifice to fidelity but it's infinitely more playable and provides vrr owners current and future a way to further boost the performance of the game.

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Sonic1881354d ago (Edited 354d ago )

Didn't the Xbox fans shit on Zelda for being locked in 30fps? Now they're cool with Starfield being locked in 30fps. Let that sync in for a second 😂 when Zelda tears of the kingdom wins GOTY hopefully they won't complain that a game in 30fps wins the award

Jin_Sakai354d ago (Edited 354d ago )

Zelda is on an outdated relic while Starfield is on a powerful 12TF console. There simply no excuse for not having a 60fps performance mode option.

And 60fps would just make GOTY contender TotK an even better experience.

Sonic1881354d ago

Bethesda game engine is also an outdated Relic. They been using that engine since Skyrim

Rdeal354d ago

Redfall was in production before they bought them and they are not going to scrap it when they can just stick it on gamepass

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-Foxtrot354d ago (Edited 354d ago )

No one would really give a shit if he wasn’t going over the top with PR about the worlds most powerful console and how it can easily handle 60fps back when the console launched

Once again Phil’s PR bullshit comes back and bites him on the arse, if he shut his mouth more then this wouldn’t be a huge deal

IMissJimRyan354d ago

If you write your logic in a way that it needs more than 16,6ms there's no room for 60fps even if you made it 240p. Those games made with Gamebryo are the most interactive ow games out there. I think there's no other engine that tracks every object you move.

Maybe they just keep adding to the logic side of the engine and reached the limit of what Xbox Series is capable of doing in terms of CPU in 16,6ms.

darthv72354d ago (Edited 354d ago )

for the type of game it is (space exploration), 30 sounds like it will be offering the ideal experience as it relates to the various weight and gravity differences each world may hold.

back here on earth, 60 is more for racing, fighting and competitive shooters... this isnt any of those.

IMissJimRyan354d ago

It's not ideal, but it's what the cpu of these consoles are capable of. In a good pc I can't see any problem for this game running at 60fps or more.

Consoles have their limitations and CPU is always an issue.

P_Bomb354d ago (Edited 354d ago )

30 is ideal for Space exploration? The Mass Effect Legendary Edition @ 60/120 begs to differ.

“back here on earth, 60 is more for racing, fighting and competitive shooters... this isnt any of those.”

I’m on earth lol, and greatly appreciate 60 for all my action, adventure, platforming, rpg needs. TLOU Remake, Spider-man Remastered, DCUO, FF14. Hell, Sly Cooper. They all had one thing in common. 60 > 30.

Redgrave354d ago

I have seen some real reaches in my time for people to put their preference at the forefront, but "30fps more accurately represents the alien planets, whereas 60fps is more of an earth exclusive frame rate" is by long and far at the top.

We might have to preserve this comment by darthv72 for the Museum of Desperate Fanboyism because they have put out something truly special here.

LonDonE354d ago (Edited 354d ago )

@darthv72 dude stop accepting this crap, phil can go suck a ...... go replay fallout 4 or skyrim at 60fps on your series x and tell me it dont make a massive difference even on the gambryo engine or whatever hell its called.. playing oblivion and skyrim and fallout 4 at 60+fps is an incredible experience... and is how starfield should be... no reason at all to force us to play it at 4k whilst sacrificing framerate when we all know what skyrim used to play like on 360/ps3... was a terrible experience and constantly below a stable 30fps.

we deserve better, i love tod howard games but if i didnt have gaming pc i would of just not bought the game and would of played it on next gen when they eventually re-released it at 60fps...
We need to stop cutting bethesda and ms so much slack, phill and team xbox are a laughing stock at the moment and they give no shizzle for the loyal xbox gamers who spend £500 on a so called premium console
They need to give us the option to turn off the real time global illumination and other settings, i would prefer baked in lighting if it gives me 60fps.

FinalFantasyFanatic354d ago

I don't even have words for this, you can have a nice smooth jump around in space at 60fps or a choppy jump in space at 30fps, this game does have shooting too, doesn't it? Big reach.

anast354d ago

This isn't a real comment. Or is it?

sinspirit353d ago

@Darth

Wait.. 30 sounds ideal because it relates to various weight and gravity differences. How does this make any sense at all?

In no way in any game ever does 30 make more sense in a technical or realistic sense over 60. Reality is not 30fps. Physics don't make as much sense in 30fps. 30fps is a tradeoff either because of hardware limitation or developer limitation. It's not a design choice for the sake of design.

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SullysCigar354d ago

Phil: "I don't ever want us to turn playing games into a math exercise..."
Also Phil: "12 TERAFLOPS BABY!!"

RpgSama354d ago (Edited 354d ago )

Numbers do not matter, they are just stuff that's in an excel sheet, stuff like if it's 4K, or frame rate, how much it reviews for, metacritic average, those are things that just go on an excel sheet, LOL.

You cannot make this up.

EvertonFC354d ago (Edited 354d ago )

I bet Phil's really regretting the series S, unfortunately they can't go back on that without a massive unrecoverable backlash from series S fans which lets face it are about 65% if sales.
They've well and truly messed up this gen with the introduction of the series S.
I wonder if they heard about the PS5 digital and thought playstation were going to have a playstation S but it's backfired ?

MWeaver589354d ago

I think it's far simpler.

For years they've tried to make Xbox the affordable/accessible option. This is why last generation they released a digital only console, there is Xbox All Access, and it has been a talking point for a while. It makes sense that a $300 console with Game Pass would be appealing to a lot of people, especially those who can't drop $500 on a Series X (that's a difference equal to two years of Game Pass at MSRP!).

The problem is, while it makes sense in terms of marketing, it doesn't translate particularly well for things like performance. It's one of those things where someone notices a potential market, doesn't calculate all the negatives of going there, and then discovers why said market exists.

TiredGamer354d ago

Agree that the Series S was a short-sighted decision to try to get a "leg-up" on early console sales. Even today, we don't know the breakout of X vs S console sales, which does and will play a role in decisions being made. While the chip shortages of 2021 ravaged sales for the Series X and PS5, MS was able to ride along with continuous availability of Series S. But in the end, we now have a technically fragmented generational pool right from the start.

Rdeal354d ago

They are regretting so much they made another one. You do realise it probably their best selling console

Lightning77354d ago

Tell me why it's only been Bethesda games that are 30 frames and the rest of the studios hit 60 fps then?

maniacmayhem354d ago

You guys seriously deal with strawman arguments, a developer making a creative decision doesn't take away the specs on the Xbox Series still being more powerful than the competition.

-Foxtrot354d ago

You're missing the point

This is not a big deal, who cares, the game looks promising

The issue is Phil's over the top 24/7 PR from the past is now biting him on the ass because it now LOOKS like a big deal based on his past comments about the Xbox Series X hardware and stance on 60fps.

maniacmayhem354d ago

"The issue is Phil's over the top 24/7 PR"

So Phil marketed the Xbox Series X which in truth and on paper is still the most powerful console on the market, but because Bethesda decided to make a game that is 30 fps this some how invalidates what Phil said?

You have to realize how ridiculous that sounds.

You guys over sensationalize everything Phil says and turn into an unnecessary debacle.

-Foxtrot354d ago

...Yeah you really aren't getting my point here are you

Never mind

EvertonFC354d ago

It's because Phil is full of sh*t

Profchaos354d ago (Edited 354d ago )

That's Microsoft when the one s dropped they touted it as the most powerful and only 4k console on the market as the pro hadn't launched yet despite fully knowing that the 4k functionality was never going to work with games just video playback on Netflix.

The only reason we got a one X was they felt embarrassed because they didn't have the most powerful system happens pretty much every gen they like power but don't know how to design for it.

I seriously wonder where Xbox would be today if Microsoft didn't fund every failure from their windows and Azure profits

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seanpitt23354d ago

This is total BS If they could do 60fps they would.. believe me, if what they say is true then they would cap it on pc at 30fps but no they won't do that it's a total L

Rdeal354d ago

Any game can do 60fps but do you want to lose detail to do it, I suspect they didn't

meanmallard354d ago

One thing we can all be sure of it's that it's definitely not because the game is being rushed out before an optimization pass.. So, you can be sure this won't be like Redfall.

Sonic1881354d ago (Edited 354d ago )

Except for bugs 🙄

NoFanBoy354d ago

Bugthesda baby, it just doesn't work.

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Trying to push players over from PC to console is a terrible idea, PlayStation

As PlayStation announces its new strategy to encourage PC users to choose PS5 it is a bitter-sweet moment for PC gamers.

Christopher20h ago

I mean, it's a business based on hardware market. Do we expect them to not even try? It's not like Nintendo doesn't do the same by not putting any games on PC and Microsoft until recently did the same. I don't care what they attempt, as long as they don't abuse the community or lie about their goals/requirements.

Will it work? Not likely. Should we care? No. Let them waste their time, it doesn't affect anything.

RaidenBlack20h ago

let them try ... at the end of the day, we get few extra PC games ... yay ... and also promotes game preservation via PC ... so double yay.

LordoftheCritics3h ago

If only Playstation games provided the ease of pc gaming features.

Primary being very few PS games support m/kb.

Fishy Fingers19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

I wish them the best of luck.

But PC players are often a patient bunch, many will even wait for Epic launcher exclusivity to end until a game comes to Steam.

If they didnt buy the console when its games were exclusive, why would they do it now theyre not?

MrNinosan5h ago

Way more do than you probably think.

ravens525h ago

All you need is that one game that'll make a few switch at a time. Like a game a PC player REALLY wants.

outsider16241h ago

I mean if there's 10 million pc gamers out there...getting atleast just 1 million from there is probably a good thing..right?

-Foxtrot19h ago

PC gamers are just too patient and loyal to their gaming set ups, something they've spent a lot of money on to perfect. They have backlogs of games which many never get round to finishing or get round to at all and will always have other multiplatform releases to keep them going.

Over the many years Sony has published so many awesome titles such as The Last of Us, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Infamous, Killzone, LittleBigPlanet, Dreams, Puppeteer, Resistance, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo, Motor Storm, God of War, Horizon, Ratchet and Clank, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne

If none of those games BEFORE all these PC ports convinced a hardcore PC gamer to get a PS5 console then why on Earth would porting them them to PC now make any difference? All PC gamers now know 100% is that they just have to be patient, which they are good at anyway to get a PS5 game 2 years later.

I get GaaS games or multiplayer focused titles but if people really want to play these games they'd have gotten a PS console years ago.

Crows901h ago

Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer.

Not sure why people are obsessing over his comment...it seems pretty simple to me.

He will do all he can to entice gamers to move to his ecosystem. As you say....exclusives existing hasn't moved many gamers over. But if they get to try them and love the games then they might change their mind about waiting 2 years.

We're in an echo chamber on this site...I've Personally seen people with Xbox and PC setups but no PlayStation. I've also seen people with small PC setups but no console. Not every pc gamer invests thousands and many may decide to put one in the living room.

They're not looking to convince all of players to buy a PlayStation...just a few...and really it is just a PR statement after all...they have to give a reason why single player won't release day 1....not to mention they also have to ensure current PlayStation gamers don't jump ship to PC. It goes both ways and they're ignoring the big L by putting any of their games off their platform.

anast54m ago

"Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer."

Right here

Kakashi Hatake1h ago

PC gamers think tomorrow is promised. Sorry, don't have time for that.

Michiel198927m ago

it's not just about loyalty or sunk cost, pc is an open platform while consoles are closed platforms. If you for example want to mod, you will play on pc, no question about it. Also if you like indie games, steam is a fucking goldmine for that. I've been playing a lot of indie games over the last years and there just seems to be an endless amount of them on steam. Also not having games locked to a certain fps is a prettty big deal for me and I assume a lot of other pc players.

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helicoptergirl18h ago

Who cares? Then just stay on PC and play the waiting game. No big deal. Sony wins in the end anyway.

Number1TailzFan18h ago

I mean if there's any single player Sony games that I actually want that aren't on PC then I would buy said console to play them on. But the ones that I like that aren't on PC are few and far between anyway so no loss for me.

If I game, it's usually multiplayer titles, otherwise I like playing around with some other software.

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ARK: Survival Ascended Premium Mods on Consoles Q&A - By 2030, Time Spent on UGC Will Be Way Bigger

ARK: Survival Ascended has introduced Premium Mods on consoles. Wccftech talked to Studio Wildcard and their partner Overwolf about the rising importance of user-generated content, especially for live service games.

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Neil Druckmann clarifies true intent of new Naughty Dog game comments

Following a recent interview with Sony, Naughty Dog head Neil Druckmann claims the original intent was “unfortunately lost” in the process.

just_looken6d ago

He can take dog shit put it in a oven with seasoning then call it waistland cookies the sony fans will pay $40 a cookie give them a medal of cooking.

No mater what trash this sobs puts out/talks about it will sell.

The true fact in the 8 years sense uncharted 4 his first time in the main seat to a point all this "amazing" team did was get 2 dudes to fuck in a van then destroy a franchise they never created.

But being a port studio they are decent at they should keep in there lane at being just that a glorified port studio.

fr0sty6d ago

Salty Bots... gotta love it.

just_looken6d ago

@frosty

Over what? naught dog under his command is a glorified port team tlou2 was mostly tlou 1 asset's with the same game play loop but forced a trans down your throat.

I would gladly help pay for this blight and his team to get removed from gaming in general.

fr0sty6d ago

Seeing a LGBT person exist in a work of fiction isn't "forcing them down your throat". Nobody is forcing you to play it. Nobody is forcing you to agree with it. If you think that just seeing a LGBT person exist is "force", it sounds like they make you very uncomfortable, and maybe you need to be doing some serious reflecting on exactly why... looks to me like you're suppressing something with all that fear.

just_looken6d ago

@fro

When i think of the last of us i think of a group of survivors crossing the apocalypse wasteland with a growing bond between 2 people that end up with Joel making ellie his new daughter.

Then you fire up the 2nd one bang joel is dead oh that comic series? bang dead

Oh you want to continue all that we grew in the first one? na f that toss it in the trash

Now here is a trans woman so strong superboy would blush go out there kill all what made tlou1 then halfway get a forced sex scene that you can not skip between 2 dudes.

The gameplay? just like the first game the combat/backpack system crafting sytem? 0 changes/improvements.

I could go on but lets face it they copy pasted that tlou 1 assets bin a shit ton of times.

There is nothing on the box or the ads or anything before the game that said you would going to spend most of the game controlling a new trans character that has no ties to anything of the first game the only existence was to kill what the first game made.

Oh but hey there is a mp mode coming out before 2022 wait what is that? oh we made it its own game then cancelled it now go but the game again as we port it a few times.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

mkis0076d ago (Edited 6d ago )

What has Straley or Henig released since they left ND? Not a thing! stop scapegoating! Which of them is credited with co-writing a majorly successful show?

just_looken6d ago

@mkis007

You bring up Bruce Straley really? someone that gave us 4 generations of amazing games and was there in the creation of 4 legendary franchises but was tossed in the trash for the pos niel druckmann not 7? years ago

So yeah in those 7? years you right all he has done is get 2 awards one is a game award for a puzzle game he made oh boy right like for fuck sake's all niel has done is one game that was a overhyped fan boy orgasm underneath all that ps jizz was just a typical 5/10 game.

Then you drag Amy Hennig that poor woman was also kicked out then became this century's Brendan Fraser with her sexual misconduct information coming out.

We all know how horrible people are treated behind the scenes she might have been sexual attacked groped or something.

So yeah all she did after was battlefield hardline forspoken now that new marvel 1945 game but hey Brendan Fraser was a great actor till he also said he was sexually attacked just now he is allowed back in no doubt she also had to take a leave of absence out and or was forced out on ice.

Man there are way to many out there that look at niel at the new gaming jesus when all he had done is some work on uncharted 4 then tlou2

Oh also the tvhshow? for real all they did was use stuff from the 2013 game its like saying GOT was a 10/10 but never watching past season 3

-Foxtrot6d ago

@mkis007

That's highly unfair to them both

Amy Hennig got messed around working on projects that got cancelled by the publishers (EA) and then ended up on a awful game (Forspoken) where you had 4 other writers working on it which is just a recipe for disaster. She is now working on Marvel 1943: Rise of Hydra. Not her fault she was pushed out of NaughtyDog, something both Nolan North and Richard McGonagle have both said in interviews.

Bruce Straley left after burn out, the rest of the story we don't know and will never know just like what happened with Amy Hennig. He decided to take a break and wasn't sure if he wanted to come back to gaming however he had an idea he wanted to make so he founded Wildflower Interactive, a smaller studio where they are currently working on a new game.

Tacoboto5d ago

@the obvious stain of a commenter

The trans character wasn't Abby. Try playing Part 2 instead of gatekeeping what you think Part 1 was about and meant.

Maybe try watching the show while you're at it, because you're terribly off with your opinion on that too

MajorLazer5d ago

Naughty Dog is better than all the MS studios put together.

derek5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

@just he has been behind 2 of the greatest games ever made. Tlou2 was easily the best non-vr game made last gen. Losers just can't get over Joel's death, mixed with the usual console war nonsense. The fact that you so casually call him a sob shows how deranged some gamers have become about Drunkmann.

derek5d ago

@frosty, for people like Just, including anyone that can be categorized as being a minority in any kind of media is "forcing it down his throat " lol. I to don't care for poor "checking box" inclusion for inclusion sake but that was not the case with tlou2.

fr0sty5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

The pathetic part about it is, you can tell just_looken never even played TLOU, because that was the game where Ellie's sexuality was first brought to light... No "that was forced down our throats" to be said about that.

Only terrified folks in the closet that use their hatred as cover from outing themselves fear LGBT people that much. They exist. They will exist in all aspects of life, including popular media. Get over it.

just_looken5d ago

@all

Once again you drag out something like its a big win

Here is my old channel a clip of me playing TLOU on ps3
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Search my channel for more clips

Proof its my channel? look at this profiles banner that is 7yrs old then look at other vids on that channel like my bf3 clips to see my psn id. But knowing this group that is way to much work.

Also elle being a lesbian is another trump card? one dlc is all we got of that a dlc that took over a year to be tossed out.

Rainbowcookie5d ago

Hey at least we have cookies to eat 😄

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Rangerman12086d ago

Glad he clarified it but i'm still somewhat skeptical. Plus, his comments about how Ai will revolutionize storytelling were still pretty iffy.

anast6d ago

No need to bow down, Stan your ground. The AI comments were gross though.

S2Killinit6d ago

Pretty excited as I read these. I just cant wait to see what ND is up to.

Export6d ago

put a chick in it and make her gay !

shadowknight2036d ago

Next they need a diverse couple, and perhaps some climate activists

StormSnooper5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

I would love that if only to piss off all the lunatics. Lol

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