Phil Spencer shared his thoughts on the console race in a recent interview, but his comments don't ring true to Xbox's own strategy.
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Well... they used to design their own chips. Emotion Engine, Cell, RSX... when they switched to using X86 based chips is now more akin to low-mid cost PCs than before. It may not look like a PC but it pretty much is one. I'd bet it could do productivity stuff just fine if they allowed it to.
I think series consoles are closer to pc than playstation seeing as they used the full suite of rdna 2 functions, didn't Sony strip a lot of that away to streamline their machine to be games focused? Its probably lacking in the office and productivity department, don't ask me what their custom chip does or doesn't do I just remember reading a lot about at the time, "rdna 1.5" was the call and yet what we see is pretty much level pegging as far as games go
Actually, stripping that away doesn't streamline, it hinders. Those features are actually helpful for gaming.
And they didn't strip them out, they just didn't work closely enough to be able to use them all since specs weren't finalized. Microsoft took an inside line on that one.
The reason why things are equal is because Xbox rarely has games designed on their box, they are usually designed on PS5 and ported over. So Xbox loses the power edge it has to making up the poor optimization.
It's ok, I think the lesson is you have to have a significant increase in power of 30 percent or more to be noticeable. And you have to sell enough to become the lead console for development otherwise you lose that power.
@GamerRN
PS5 outperforms series x because it uses custom chips to process things that on xbox need to be done by the GPU/CPU.
Things like Tempest Audio, and it's custom compression chip for SSD as well as having a separate chip for upscaling using checkerboard and presumably FSR runs off it as well.
O please stop the myth that the seriesX mythe is the only console that is using the "the full suite or Rdna2" is already debunked al long time ago.
The consoles use video ram as system ram as well since it's all shared, so nah.
I have read it... I dont think anyone can build a PC that equates to the performance of a PS5/Series X for anywhere close to their selling point. Not for a while at least.
And my comment about them switching from custom chips to more PC related just adds to that fact. whether people want to believe it or not... Sony has built a low cost (not spec, there is a difference) PC.
We need better games on these consoles. This generation has been such a huge letdown so far. Moving forward these current consoles will be supported even when newer Playstation and Xbox are in the market. AAA games have been so expensive to make and it seems fun is taken out of games and loot boxes take their place. Try playing a NBA 2k game it's like a casino with slot machines
The cost of making these games is a scam
Nba 2k19 to 2k14 its like madden the budget to make went stupid high but the fundamental of the game and the game modes never changed.
Anything now even basic intersection construction is tens of millions but pre coivid few hundred grand.
2018 here is $400 landscaping now here is the pink slip to my car.
I swear the cost of everything is the same but there taking of that huge profit top for there own pockets.
The PS5 is incredibly customized.
The SSD, the Tempest Audio, the APU itself is a mix of cross generation AMD hardware in order to be more optimized for gaming and cost efficient.
The PS5 Pro also has features from cross generation AMD hardware with RT features from RDNA 4 plus it's own custom upscaler PSSR.
PlayStation 5 Pro features next-gen RDNA 4-based ray tracing engine, allows 2-3x faster RT
https://www.tweaktown.com/n...
PlayStation still uses custom designed hardware.
honestly... I dont know why some are taking offense to it being called a low cost PC. It really is... and low cost is a good thing. the article did not say low performance PC... that is totally different.
I'm saying they still are designing their own chips, they just use AMD templates.
The PS5 APU has features from RDNA 1 2 and 3, and the PS5 Pro adds features from RDNA 4, and the CPU is the same with it own customized features.
Then all of that is paired with other custom chips.
What you all said my rig in my bedroom can do it no issues
That plastic box has a 2020 cpu with the pro using a 2021 6700
The custom is do to them being dirt cheap with a 2 prong power supply so they made a cpu/gpu combo chip aka apu.
Get a amd laptop with there new mobile chips get the same performance.
Its this site even the head admin banned me for awhile being but hurt over my "anti" sony comments.
n4g is pro sony nothing sony will ever do can change that.
When you only look at the big flagship chips that seems true, but there's a lot going on in a modern console that takes advantage of being a dedicated kit. The various elements put into how the pipelines are connected shape the direction of games. End to end decryption and data streaming is something big that PC can only kind of do and with less certainty for example. Dedicated audio chip that rivals the main CPU in the PS4 is a big paradigm shift, devs used to fight for cores and audio was often last priority, whereas in traditional PC design the main CPU does both of those jobs of processing audio and decryption, while also performing all the other CPU based tasks.
It's not the custom silicon that used to be what made consoles but there's a lot more to consoles now. Data storage was not even a consideration and almost no RAM was on old consoles. Now there needs to be an enormous amount of SSD storage, and RAM to make these games tick with how much is demanded from them.
@darth
Your comment show how many sony blindboys are on here
You are 100% correct but to add on the gamecube-ps3 also had a gpu/cpu combo back in the day unlike modern consoles that are just glorified tablets using apu/igpu's.
I miss the ps3 era start of ps4 era that sony was awesome
Yah, hence the majority of the PS5’s hardware investment going towards an SSD instead of a GPU.
There are countless custom pc gaming rigs out there, and I bet none of them took an SSD-centric approach to their design, like the ps5 did.
LMAO wow sony blind boy's are mad in love
That is called direct storage windows 10 has had that for over 5 year's every computer with a nvme based ssd has had that tech for years.
https://www.thewindowsclub....
The ps6 will then have this new amazing tech you all will go crazy over resize bar
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But that tech has been out for 2 years all 40series gpu's intel gpus and the new amd cards have that tech.
There is nothing a ps5 can do over a 4+ year old computer 2019 rig want resize bar? get a cheap amd/intel card for half the cost of a ps5.
Clearly you did not watch Cerny’s first ps5 breakdown, so you don’t appreciate EVERYthing Cerny did to leverage their extremely fast SSD.
I can see where he’s coming from re ps5 not just being a box with parts like a pc. They must also spend an awful lot on r & d just to design the thing so it has aesthetic appeal and typical Japanese with some sort of Philosopy behind the design. Would also think other factors around the custom airflow and the like would cost a lot given that it’s not a standard box shape
true, but the alternative is, relatively, a expensive ordeal.
unless you dont game at all ha.
Just spent 2000k on a 4070ti super 7800x3d 1440p gaming pc. Honestly consoles will never be replaced at this wide a gap in price. I plan to get a ps5 pro too.
@mk
You waisted 2 grand you mean
At 1440p a amd4 chipset with a 5600x3d combined with a 6750xt even a 6800 can push 1440p just a much for half the cost or less used/new and or sales.
I have a 75hhz monitor in my bedroom 1440p playing games maxed out spent around 1200cad but aio 5800x3d 32gb of ram and a 6750xt 28 or 30 inch monitor.
Every time i hear pc so expensive i just laugh you can spend less than $500 buy a used ebay rig fix it up or a office pc toss in a cheap low profile card.
If you look into the hardware beyond just the CPU and GPU things start to look different, and there's plenty beyond just those two parts, those two parts even are modified to their own design in some degree.
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Phil said they lost the most important generation with Xbox One when the shift to digital started. Those lost customers moved to PlayStation and making great games won’t make people sell their PS5 and buy an Xbox. That’s just not how it works.
That's not what he said. He didn't say they wouldn't sell more Xbox systems, he said they wouldn't overtake PlayStation. Just look at Nintendo. They've consistently made top quality exclusives and they could never really compete without doing something drastically different. Handhelds, motion controls, and a hybrid console like the Switch. Incredible games were never enough for even Nintendo to compete with PlayStation in terms of home consoles. It's like trying to overtake Nintendo in the handheld market.
This is why Xbox tried so hard to make the Kinect a thing, so they'd have some kind of USP that might draw people in to their ecosystem. But that was a failure. PlayStation is so engrained in the console market that making great games literally isn't enough to pull the majority of gamers away. You need a USP, you need something PlayStation doesn't have. Xbox sort of had that for a while with Game Pass but they didn't have a consistent output of great games. That would have been their best chance but they shot themselves in the foot that generation.
So first Xbox needs to get their game dev situation figured out and put out a consistent stream of high quality games. But once they do that they'll still need a USP. Nintendo has hybrids and Sony has VR. What could Xbox actually do that would set them apart and pull people in?
I think he said this to lower the bar for future expectations. I've said it time and time again: Microsoft has ZERO long-term interest in being a hardware or game developer. They want only to be a subscription/streaming storefront, siphoning their 30% from everyone else's effort. They're doing as little as possible every step of the way, hoping eventually to meet a critical mass of subscribers. They are not a gaming or entertainment company; they are a software-as-a-service conglomerate. They want to distribute not develop! They jettisoned all their studios and abandoned all their acquired gaming IP at the end of the Xbox 360 era because they thought they could ride on the productivity of third-party releases and their vocal and loyal fanbase. They probably had an initial goal of 10 years to sink their claws into the industry before attempting to push their service agenda to the forefront via the Xbox One DRM and Xbox Marketplace.
More disingenious nonsense excuses from Spencer.
When PS3 was being trounced by 360, Sony took the big decision to push first class games, hit after hit. PS3 overtook 360 in the final straight after being behind almost the entire generation.
Digital libraries? I gave up my LARGE Rock Band library on Xbox to get a PS4 and continue gaming on there as frankly the Xbone was rubbish.
But then Xbone also introduced backwards compatibility, something the PS4 could not do until it tried with PSNow (and failed realistically). So all that digital investment he speaks of as a reason they have lost is a load of rubbish, narrative changing.
Finally, he says even if Starfield is 11/10, it won't persuade people to sell their PS5 for a Xbox SX. That's not the point, if Starfield is that great then people will BUY a Xbox SX whilst keeping their PS5 too.
I remember seeing queues of people buying 360s with Bioshock when that was released in London (when I bought my copy).
Phil Spencer lies, and he cannot or will not take responsibility for the failures he has overseen.
He's buried Xbox.