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Hellblade 2 is in Such a Strange Position

The highly-anticipated sequel to Hellblade has been held up in the works for years now, and the franchise finds itself in an awkward position.

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Knushwood Butt508d ago

Hmm, this article can be summarized in one sentence, 'A reason for this delay in production could be the new partnership between Microsoft and Ninja Theory.'.

Even so, weren't NT gushing that MS were going to let them do what they want?

Sonyslave3508d ago

Yup not only that but with increase funding the scope of 2 is going to be bigger then 1.

crazyCoconuts507d ago

Do we know the scope has been increased? I was expecting a similar sized AA game as the original

Jin_Sakai508d ago

I had almost forgot about this game. Definitely need to see more gameplay.

shinoff2183507d ago

How'd you forgot alot of them are calling it the God of War killer lol

MadLad507d ago

Ninja Theory haven't released a game I didn't like.

Thundercat77507d ago (Edited 507d ago )

@MadLad

Ninja Theory haven't released a game under MS management. This is going to be the first so this could be the turning point for them and for the first time, release something not that great.

MadLad507d ago

@thunder

You most definitely can hope for that, if you wish.

crazyCoconuts507d ago

I'm glass half full on this. Yeah, MS, but it's still Ninja Theory doing the work, so I'm excited. I don't expect this to be like God of War or anything, so I'm not setting myself up for disappointment...

Imalwaysright507d ago (Edited 507d ago )

Thundercat77

Actually they did. MS published their 1st game: Kung Fu Chaos and apparently MS helped them refine the game but failed to market it properly and ended up being a commercial and financial failure.

"The development team assembled a gameplay demo of Kung Fu Chaos and presented it to Microsoft Games Studios. They were willing to provide funding for the game's development in order to have a strong line-up for their then-upcoming console, the Xbox. The publishing team at Microsoft was described as "helpful", assisting the team in refining the game during its production. Yet Microsoft failed to market the game properly. For example, no advertisements were prepared for the launch. While the game was critically praised, Kung Fu Chaos' sales were hugely disappointing, and the game was a financial failure for the firm. At the time, Antoniades was disappointed and shocked that Microsoft would "send [the game] out to die," but understood Microsoft's decision to put their resources into other more profitable projects.[2]"

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DOMination-507d ago

The problem is MS seem to be very hands-off. That's a great trait if the studios have strong personalities already in charge because Matt Booty doesn't seem particularly competent

NT will be fine with Tameem around.

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ManMarmalade507d ago

@madlad What about that unnecessary DmC reboot??

Ra3v3r506d ago

You mean the DMC reboot that was actually pretty good gameplay wise, but the "fans" hated it cos it wasn't the same old Dante? Capcom let them make it and were clearly happy with the direction it was headed. NT didn't just wake up one day and say "hey, let's make something using someone else's IP. I'm sure they won't mind". Someone at Capcom must have been happy with the pitch otherwise it would never have been made.

The Wood506d ago

MS probably wanna add multiplayer or a service element as their fans tend to shun 1n'done experiences for some weird reason.

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RaidenBlack507d ago

Budget increased so scope increased ... and newer bigger scope requires more time.

Crows90507d ago

Uhuh. Yes just like crackdown 3

crazyCoconuts507d ago

I can't imagine Ninja Theory releasing something that bad

Crows90507d ago

@crazycoconuts
Me neither but his reasoning was so flawed I had to say it.

Lexreborn2507d ago

Crackdown 3 isn’t a bad game, it’s just not the game that was promised. I often wonder if that’s because of the increased budget and new technology or if it was always going to be a decent game marketed as being amazing.

Hellblade 2 will likely be a good game. But if it’s like crackdown 3 it won’t be amazing.

--Onilink--507d ago

That doesnt make his point any less valid. Its clear the scope is bigger this time and that will take more time, whether that means a better game..time will tell. Bigger isnt always better

Scope creep is definitely a potential problem in game development, especially if they are suddenly working on something bigger than they’ve had to work on before.

DarXyde506d ago

I got a chuckle out of that, but I find this difficult to compare, honestly. Crackdown 3 was hyped to hell and back and started the whole "Powah of da cloud" thing. Spencer also said he saw it ahead of launch and it was looking good. It reminded me of the marketing for the original Suicide Squad where they were talking about how much work the actors put into their roles (watching cannibal videos for Killer Croc, Jared Leto being weird, etc.) and there was no talk about how the movie itself was looking. Well, we found out and that was Crackdown 3.

We know very little about Hellblade 2. I suspect it's going to be a very strong entry if you enjoyed the original. The silence in this case feels more like they just don't want to talk about it until they're closer to launch. I can't say I really enjoyed Ninja Theory titles I've played, but they quality of their titles can't be disputed (Bleeding Edge being an exception as it went against their strengths).

Hellblade 2 looks like it's going to be playing to their strengths. We will see how it turns out, though I personally believe Microsoft is well aware that they aren't welcome in the kitchen and they need to let Ninja Theory do their thing.

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Good-Smurf506d ago

Doesn't say much when even Remedy made a dud with Quantum Break and it also have big budget and plenty of time cooking it.
Not to mention Halo Infinite.

sadraiden507d ago

I'm not concerned. Hellblade 1 was crazy, but it's gonna be just practice for this title.

Godmars290507d ago

All depends what you're expecting out of it: a private gaming experience or a title that well defines the Xbox game brand.

Sonic1881507d ago

This game should come out this year

DarXyde506d ago

Yeah, I don't think so either. I expect an update and possible release date, but that's it.

crazyCoconuts507d ago

I'm hoping they can still innovate and drive a good story. Hellblade 1 was so unique in many ways and the novelty married with the beautiful art/scenery really made the game. The gameplay itself was actually a bit clunky but the story is what really shined

Kyizen507d ago

This...it worked cause it was 6 to 8 hours and unique. The puzzles and combat drove me nuts and were mediocre at best but the main character, audio (Only game where I say headphones are a must) and story line were top notch. But will that work in a 20 hour romp or be filled with needless padding.

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Hellblade 2 Is An Unrivaled Spectacle, But The Gameplay Neglection Bothers Me

Ninja Theory outdid itself in Hellblade 2 with the photorealistic visuals and the unreal audio design, but why was the gameplay neglected?

piroh4d ago

Its a perfect game for Gamepass, i think this is what MS wanted from it to be. IMO spring 2025 PS5/Switch 2 release maybe sooner

StormSnooper2d ago

I think it’s the perfect gamepass game. Pretty, but cheap to make, and shallow.

Amplitude2d ago

Cheap to make and shallow are absolutely not words that describe HellBlade 2

garos821d 21h ago

its only perfect if the gameplay has something to say or do. turns out this game has neither. nice graphics though

Flawlessmic2d ago

I finished it and I'll start by saying the graphics are amazing!!!!! and I experienced and noticed absolutely zero bugs and ran into no issues with the game so it's highly polished.

In saying that, that's where my compliments end, I slugged my way through this game, thank god it was short.

The most on rails game I've ever played, didn't care for the story or the characters outside of the story for the first giant which I did like. For a game like this story and characters should've been everything and it just didn't hit, I didn't care at all just wanted to finish the game and experience the visuals, that's the only reason I persisted.

Puzzles were absolutely lame an amounted to either trying to find shapes or using land shifting bubbles, all of which were piss easy.

The fights are cool at first and look brutal but again very simple.

Basically no environment interaction besides lighting torches

Checking my last achievement only like 6% of players have finished the game which says a lot considering the length of it. I can't imagine a whole lot of people are playing this either.

Don't understand the higher reviews for this, outside of visuals the game isn't great if any anything it was a slog to get the 7 hrs it's took me.

Sonic18812d ago

I agree with you about the puzzles and the game length

repsahj2d ago

Many perfect reviews only scores the graphics like the very "unbiased"(lol) reviews of DF and Eurogamer. But saying the gameplay and story is a masterpiece are a bunch of liars.

StormSnooper2d ago

DF IS MS’s advertising arm. Eurogamer was purchased by IGN, which is a MS mouthpiece. so no surprises there.

Flawlessmic2d ago

Yea it's hard to disagree man, like it's really not a good game.

Since when did games get full marks along with other high scores just for visuals, it's reeiculous.

Michiel19892d ago

DF doesn't do reviews as far as I know....they do graphical analyses and ofc being the pixeljunkies that they are, they will absolutely love the graphical aspects of this game.

@storm if they're ms advertising arm then why do they still praise a game like Horizon to the heavens? doesn't pan out my man, but nice try my little pony.

Notellin2d ago

@StormSnooper

The made up Microsoft positive publicity. Even fanboys don't believe those sites are Microsoft leaning.

Good-Smurf2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Weird of them DF to do a game review when their job actually is to review the tech aspects of the game.
It came across as paid sponsored review at times.
Leave the bootlicking stuff to Eurogamer especially now that they got bought the writing is on IGN's wall.
I feel like John got that line crossed a lot I feel, he should start his own channel because the other two stooges and simps at Eurogamer and DF are holding him back a lot.
It's all so ironic coming from a guy who's all about gameplay and frame rate obsessed, many mentioned that they don't give the likes of The Order 1886 the same praise a lot of catches ifs and buts for that game.
I don't have to mention the insufferable Tom Morgan.

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DazaMc2d ago

The combat is terrible, dodge 2 or three times, attack AND repeat.

EternalTitan2d ago

What gameplay?
Hellblade 2 barely has any gameplay.

Amplitude2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

It seems like Ninja Theory really were trying to tell an emotional story more than make a game - and that's totally fine. I really miss games like this.

Its nice to see Microsoft venturing into "story game" territory when they quite literally never do so. Other than maybe Lococycle.

Damn, remember Lococycle? https://youtu.be/4uHTEDDVFF...

rippermcrip2d ago

Order 1886 had graphics that were way ahead of its time. Also had excellent gameplay. But it was absolutely ripped to shreds in reviews based on the shortness of the game and some repetitiveness of some fights. For some reason those things don't apply to HB.

LoveSpuds2d ago

A fair comparison I must say. I will play Hellblade II when it comes to PS5 (provided it gets a physical release) as I can't help but think it's similar to the first game in respect of its shortcomings, and I still got something out of that 1st game (a platinum trophy specifically).

anast2d ago

It still applies. The games is a high 6 to low 7. Game writers need access to do their jobs so they they don't follow any kind of criteria that would potentially cut that access.

rippermcrip2d ago

Reviewers aren't applying it is the point.

anast2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@ripper

They're not applying it, but it applies when we the consumer actually pays for the product and plays it.

Michiel19892d ago

more tinfoil hat galore than youtube comments, insecurities run wild when your plastic box doesn't have the most impressive looking game anymore, not that I'm surprised

rippermcrip2d ago

Not a single person is upset or even disagreeing that this game has the best graphics. So what are you talking about?

anast2d ago

It's naive to think access journalism doesn't exist. Calling it "tin-foil hat" doesn't make it otherwise. If you have been on this world since 89, you would have surely come to this conclusion along with the conclusion that words like "plastic box" and "insecurity" expressed in this way tells us more about you than what my comment is actually about.

Sonic18812d ago (Edited 2d ago )

And Hellblade 2 length is even shorter than the Order 1886 🤔😂

KwietStorm_BLM2d ago

The Order had excellent gameplay?

SonyStyled2d ago

It does but there’s not very much of it. There’s a couple good action sequences but the rest it bland

derek2d ago

@Ripper, I remember how that game was torn apart even before it was released. I played and agreed with much of the criticism, the end bosses were terrible the game was way too short. But the weapons, gunplay and graphics were phenomenal. Haven't played hellblade 2 but watching it, it looks like you walk on rails the take turns combat is a joke. The graphics look fantastic at times, saw her wadding through water in some underground cave with a torch, impressive. Wish NT would have focused more on bringing real combat/ movement to their impressive graphical presentation. 7 years for a 5-6 hrs game is absurd.

Good-Smurf2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Yeah and considering The Order 1886 was actually a pretty competent TPS but walks and jogs around slays a few enemies one and a time with lame ass puzzles in HB2 is much more to their liking.
Something's fishy here.

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talocaca2d ago

I just played the first 3 hours.....the gameplay is extremely basic. Walk a path while you hear voices, then long cutscenes, a simple battle that is almost QTE....repeat.

Sonic18812d ago

And Eurogamer gave this game a 10 😂

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Senua’s Saga: Hellblade 2 is Not the Huge Win for Xbox That We All Wanted it to Be

Ninja Theory's latest is an impressive accomplishment in more ways than one, but it isn't the flag-in-the-ground moment many had hoped it would be.

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H94d ago

A four hour playable movie was never going to be the big win for a console

piroh4d ago

Remember when xbox fans laugh at The order 1886? Well...

H94d ago

Xbox fans hate every until it comes to their console

darthv724d ago

^^the same can be said about the flip side.

Zeref4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I didn't give af about The Order to have any thoughts on it. Nobody did. You're projecting my guy.

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Eonjay4d ago

It's more of a UE5 tech/art demo.

darthv724d ago

...and things can only get better from here. Imagine what UE6 can bring to the table.

Eonjay4d ago

Right. I assume games like Gears 5 will make this look tame by comparison plus it will be built with GamePlay in mind.

helicoptergirl4d ago

Steam peak-player count is super low. Lower even than the original. In regards to selling copies/subs and making a profit in some way, I'd bet everything I own on it being a complete and utter failure. But I wouldn't shut them down. They need to expand and be more ambitious and ramp up production. Hope their next game is something special.

MeteorPanda4d ago

this l don't understand. This game is explorative, its not ever going to be a big hit but a very enjoyable short experience. Not every game has to be so many hours. The devs were happy with their end product.

Barlos4d ago

Only certain obscure observers thought it would be. The rest of us could see it was never going to shift systems or be a massive hit.

Redgrave4d ago

heh

heh heh

certain obscure observers

TheKingKratos4d ago

That guy/girl have been "Obscure" for some time now

Hofstaderman4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Some really obscure alt accounts last couple of weeks....

SonyStyled4d ago

Fortunately he’s okay and back working now

lucasnooker4d ago

Great graphics does not mean a great game… it peaks interest but at the end of the day we want both in one! Looking at you GTA VI. Rockstar, come show us how it’s done!

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Hellblade II Gameplay PC 4K - RTX 4090 (an amazing cinematic opening with little gameplay)

CG writes: We spend around 40 minutes playing the opening of Hellblade II on PC (Gamepass version), running max settings but with DLSS set to Quality. So, effectively playing the game at 1440p despite the render res being set to 4K. As you can see, the RTX 4090 GPU sits around the 70% usage mark using these settings which are capped at 60fps. Aside from the technical details though, we found the opening gameplay a little underwhelming. Sure, audio is top-quality sublime, and UE5 provides some fantastic visual nuances, yet the gameplay just felt sacrificed for cinematic posturing. We are going to assume the gameplay becomes more of a focus moving forwards as the opening here felt less interactive that its predecessor which also begins in/on the water.

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Jingsing5d ago

I'll wait for someone to record the game and convert it to an FMV for the SEGA MEGA CD port.