Forza 8 Will Have Realtime Ray Tracing Along With a Full Night and Day Cycle

According to today's Forza Monthly livestream, Forza 8 will feature realtime ray tracing and a new career mode.

[z2g]

Thats awesome, but its not Foza 8. It’s just called Forza Motorsport and is technically being billed as a “reboot” of the franchise and not a sequel or new version of the existing series.

[Jin_Sakai]

Forza Motorsport is going to be a sight to behold. Can’t wait!

[abstractel]

Absolutely agree, seeing real-time ray-traced reflections (which absolutely makes sense in a car game), the level of detail in the environments, the lighting, it all looks stunning. I've always rooted for Gran Turismo but I feel Forza has surpassed GT at the moment (unfortunately). Graphically I think latest GT was held back by the cross-gen, but it had other issue as well. Truly hope we start seeing more and more new-gen exclusives soon. Looks like mid/late 2023 they'll start becoming more common.

[RaidenBlack]

Honestly I don't see the difference between it being a sequel and a reboot. (aside from marketing/branding)
Forza Moto and GT are sim racers. Every subsequent games in the series are iterative upgrades over the previous one.

[porkChop]

It's being billed as an actual reboot because it's switched from competing with GT to competing with more hardcore sims like Assetto Corsa. Even the types of cars Turn 10 is focusing on has changed to more proper race cars. It'll be a pretty different game.

[PitbullMonster]

@porkChop
"switched from competing with GT to competing with more hardcore sims like Assetto Corsa"
Is this official or just fan wish?

[RaidenBlack]

@porkChop
Ok,
Assetto Corse or Competizione?
If the latter, then you meant to say the Forza Moto Reboot will solely focus on GT3 Endurance racing?
ACC is the official Blancpain GT3 game.

[porkChop]

I'm not saying it's focusing on only GT3, obviously we know it isn't from the trailer. That's not what I mean. I mean the level of actual simulation going on. GT7 is certainly no slouch when it comes to simulation. But the shear amount of physics sim going on in FM is getting into hardcore sim territory. Every Forza has had a 2 year dev cycle so far. There's a 6 year gap from FM7 because they've completely rebooted and recreated every system from scratch. Literally triple the dev time.

And if you watch the new Forza Monthly they talk about how the trailer and demo showcase where they're going with the car list to match the new direction. Some staples/classics will still be there of course but they're really focusing on a ton of new/recent GT and DPI.

[Si-Fly]

@porkChop .If you think this is going to get anywhere close to the kind of simulation ACC or iRacing offer you are kidding yourself! This will be fantastic but let’s face it still firmly in the sim cafe camp with GT.

[mcstorm]

@Si-Fly the difference now is GP is fully on PC and Microsoft and Turn 10 know how they have a market to go for in this space as well as competing with GT.

It will be interesting to see who looks at FM when it is out next year especially on the PC side.

[Obscure_Observer]

@porkChop

"It's being billed as an actual reboot because it's switched from competing with GT to competing with more hardcore sims like Assetto Corsa."

That´s what I said in another Forza topic and some Playstation fans got mad like feeling personally offended. As you said: This new Forza will take 6 year to be developed in contrast to it´s 2 year dev time latest iterations. It´s an all new, true next gen Forza Motorsport game, with all phisics, driving mechanics, cars, tracks, graphics, weather, shadows, lighting, and day/night circles recreateded and build from the ground up.

This new game also have a new director with a new vision (Chris Esaki) as veteran Forza director Dan Greenawalt steps aside.

It´s gonna be an all new experience for Racing fans and I can´t wait for it.

[Knushwood Butt]

Willing to bet not a single one of you posting has played ACC.

If you think that is what the target audience for Forza Motorsport wants or expects, then go play ACC.

[Neonridr]

I mean regardless if it's a reboot or whatnot is it not still the 8th entry in the Forza Motorsport series?

[aconnellan]

Sure, but do you call the most recent halo ‘Infinite’ or Halo 6? Do you call God Of War 2018 ‘God of War 4’?

[Neonridr]

@aconnellan - it's not like a reboot of God of War. How does one reboot a racing game? Can you decide one day to call NHL 23 just NHL? Because it's a reboot?

[1Victor]

Yeah make it less confusing releasing a game every year with the same name, what could go wrong 😂.
GameStop: video game stores employees going to love that one 🤣
I can’t wait to see what they can do to make it look better with day/night transitions hopefully based on your real life time of day

[MasterChief3624]

And based on the E3 showing, it also has a river that has the same exact pattern of bubbles that loops over the course of 3 or 4 seconds. It was very distracting for me to see such amazing graphics on-screen, then this river that was completely unrealistic and a glorified moving texture.

[EasilyTheBest]

I've heard of nit picking before but that's just ridiculous.
It's a driving game with roads not a Fishing sim.

[MasterChief3624]

I'm just saying that it was a bizarrely lazy detail in a sea of so many amazing ones. I want to be clear that I think the game looks amazing and I can't wait for it. Just pointing out, again, a strange counterexample.

[thesoftware730]

Wow, best comment ever.

That super realistic water and awesome graphics, and you noticed that it loops.. because when speeding around a track at 100mph, you get to pinpoint each water ripple

[MasterChief3624]

I'm actually Jay Garrick, so going so fast that time slows down around me, giving me time to admire / admonish the little things, is a pretty typical event.

[CobraKai]

That’s a little too much man. Unless the whole reason you wanna play is to drive by the river and watch the water. In reality, you’re gonna drive passed it in less than 3 seconds.

[babadivad]

Who would even notice this?

[darthv72]

Glad I wasnt the only one who noticed that. Regardless of their looping the water, it did look really nice.

[Tedakin]

You're going to be driving 200 mph past those bubbles.....

[iplay1up2]

First of all the river was at a fork, and rivers do have a pattern that forms at these points. Secondly if you are driving slow enough to even notice a pattern, you are definitely not going to win the race.

[Lightning77]

A river with running water looping. I'm not genius but running water going down a narrow pathway... Is a river. Unless you've see rivers where water I guess, goes into reverse?

[Profchaos]

Digital foundry claim ray tracing for reflections will only be present in replay modes

[Jin_Sakai]

It’s RTGI for replays.

[ProjectVulcan]

The footage shown was on PC. Like Horizon 5 there will no doubt be cutbacks and downgrades for the Series X and S to get real time in gameplay ray tracing. There already was for Horizon 5 just to hit 60FPS on Series X so imagine other things having to be reduced quite a lot to incorporate ray tracing also. Most likely much lower rendering resolution, a big wide dynamic resolution window.

[Obscure_Observer]

"Most likely much lower rendering resolution, a big wide dynamic resolution window."

You just forgot to mention that Forza Horizon 5 is a BIG open world racer while Forza Motorsport is a closed circuit racing game which, RT, 60fps and higher resolutions is easier to implement.

[ProjectVulcan]

No, I didn't forget to mention Horizon 5 is open world, because it's not really relevant anymore. Not in the era where you have consoles with SSDs that can stream assets in with 2GB/s+ bandwidth.

Going to closed circuits is certainly not going to give you vastly more GPU performance required to render extremely demanding ray tracing and the bare minimum framerate expectation is 60FPS, unlike Horizon 5.

You're equating potentially lessened asset streaming of a closed circuit racer with finding lots more raw GPU performance for a GPU intensive operation like ray tracing. An incorrect assessment..

You might get less SSD demand and perhaps somewhat less RAM demand, but neither of those things gives you a lot more GPU fillrate you need for RT. Stripping back resolution and other effects like Horizon 5 does for its 60FPs mode is the only way to do that, and I'm confident that will prove to be very much the case.

[ABizzel1]

Actually, both of you are right to an extent.

As Obscure said, having a smaller more focused area, does relieve some GPU performance, but as ProjectVulcan said it's not this huge gap that developers were once faced with. Open-World games are typically more of a CPU bottleneck than a GPU bottleneck these days thanks to asset streaming, meanwhile, Raytracing is a huge GPU load especially reflections and GI and PT.

I'm with PV on this though, Forza is likely going to be a Dynamic 4K@60fps, and using quarter resolution reflections, but that's not a bad thing as I've said numerous times. The issue is MS and Turn 10 once again pulling this marketing BS trickery instead of just being upfront about it like nearly everyone else is when it comes to their games. They've caused backlash and confusion for no reason, and this is the second time Turn 10 and Forza has done this as we've both said Obscure (it's self-sabotage at this point)

Unrelated to you two, people who don't know tech both fans of said product and fanboys against it should just stay out of tech debates and stop weaponizing them.

[Gunstar75]

I didn't hear them say that

[Profchaos]

They said it while comparing the hotwheels dlc to motorsport

[iplay1up2]

Microsoft said differently, in their presentation last week. This link makes it very clear "in game Raytracing" https://www.videogameschron...

[ABizzel1]

The issue was they showed the PC version off at the showcase (which they shouldn't have done to begin with), and showed RTGI in trailers, and then had to state that in-game RT was there, but RTGI is only in non-gameplay moments.

[CobraKai]

This is cool. I was disappointed to learn Forza Horizon 5 and GT 7 did not have in race ray tracing. I thought the reflections looked nice all the same.

[CR7JUVE1897]

This is why these games simply have to be Next Gen only. When great developers such as Turn 10, Polyphony, or Playground will get to focus on next gen only, the results will be mind blowing.

This and the Last of Us Remake are exhibits A and B of this.

[CobraKai]

100% agree. When they let go of having to include last gen, we will see what current systems can do.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Nice features tbh

[HeliosHex]

Iam only good at split second and burnout. I've tried to play forza but I completely suck at this game. Shame too because they are nice looking games.

[porkChop]

Have you tried the Forza Horizon games? That might be closer to what you're looking for.

[HeliosHex]

@ porkchop Actually no I brushed it off as another forza I can't play. I'll definitely check it out though thanks.

[KUV1977]

Indeed. I could never get into Forza Motorsport. (or GT) But Forza Horizon is just awesome and as a still PS5 only guy is one of the big reasons for thinking about buying a Series X. There is just nothing like it on PlayStation.

[AmUnRa]

I get that Polyphony made a choice that they made GT7 also available fot the PS4. I mean its logical that they did not want give the finger to more than 120.000.000 PS4 gamers.
Its good for Xbox Series gamers that they get a version of Forza Motorsport only for them. Its not so nice that a lot of Xbox One gamers dont get this game but thats MS decision.
I have GT7 for the PS5 and the game is still a looker and i stil playing it and love it it looks and play great, and thats what i want...

[Locutus_of_borg]

“ Its not so nice that a lot of Xbox One gamers dont get this game”

They will if Microsoft add this to there cloud gaming

[AmUnRa]

Thats not the same, for a racing its important that it runs stabel with no hickup in framerates, that would be realy bad.... Thats not gonna happen when it runs in the cloud, not yet. Even people who are streaming movies have problems. With games it will be a bigger problem.

[generic-user-name]

"I mean its logical that they did not want give the finger to more than 120.000.000 PS4 gamers"

Moving on is not giving the finger. This is just how our hobby (should) work, people can pick up a PS5 one day, but they'll never be able to pick up a version of GT7 that wasn't held back by 2013 hardware. Crossgen, especially from first parties, is not good.

[Doomster1971]

I hope Microsoft releases a new controller with haptic feedback and adaptive triggers, like the PS5 has. Also, I hope the price is the same as the PS5 controller (£59.99). It is brilliant with GT7, and I'm sure it would be brilliant with Forza, too. I got a PS5 last month and am I getting an XSX next month. The PS5 controller is amazing on the PS5. Getting a new one on Xbox would be essential for playing Forza with, if available.

[AmUnRa]

Sony has a patent on the dualsence so i dont see it coming to xbox...

[Doomster1971]

They do. It doesn't mean Microsoft can't make something similar. The haptic feedback controllers on the switch didn't stop Sony from making their own ones.

[AmUnRa]

You cant call it haptic feedback on the Nintendo controller, its not the same and does not work the same,

[Doomster1971]

Somehow, I don't think Sony have a patent on "haptic feedback". Haptic feedback has been around for many years. https://www.bing.com/search...

[AmUnRa]

And Sony is the first to use it in a controller in combination with adaptive triggers. You can downvote al you want, i stay with my comment.

[porkChop]

HD Rumble on the Switch actually is haptic feedback. The problem is most devs just use it like regular rumble, so very few games really showcase what it can do. Even Nintendo has failed to make good use of it across their games. The tech is good though, and it's very cool in the games that use it.

[Doomster1971]

mistake

[Richhard1]

Typical Microsoft, focus on the scenery instead of the actual gameplay.

[Gamer75]

You do know that there have been videos for other games that are about the scenery to give people an idea of what to expect

[babadivad]

I'm so hyped for this...

[Nuvem]

Looks better than GT7.

[Bigman4k]

Sounds dope

[UltimateRacer]

It still has that cartoonish look though with the cars and they still can’t get the lighting right.

[glenn1979]

sweet

[XxINFERNUSxX]

Also add PC, not only Series X. Coming in 2023, and with the new GPU's from Nvidia and AMD coming towards the end of this year (though AMD's RT is lacking a lot) it will be amazing and I want to see how much they can push them. Also the mods that will be coming, with even more better enhanced graphics from Nexusmods and using Reshade. 🙃