Ninja Theory dev on Hellblade II demo It's all real-time, no tricks

Hellblade II Audio Director David García says that the gameplay demo which the
team showcased at TGA is real gameplay without any tricks.

[PrinceOfAnger]

A lot of people thought it was all CGi, maybe they didn't play the first game.

[isarai]

I thought the reveal trailer wasn't real time, and looks like i was right cause this trailer doesn't look as good. Still looks amazing, but that reveal trailer was misleading, and a lot of people ate it up.

[Lightning77]

You should of done research because that's where your wrong.

https://gamingbolt-com.cdn....

The first trailer didn't show any gameplay just the graphics. So no character models running around or advanced physics at play just the world unlike the new trailer. I wouldn't call it any kind of downgrade, when Senua talks her mouth and teeth still have the same sync and detail like the first trailer. The fire has the same detail.

You sound very disappointed this was real in game trailer as you attempted to revert back to the original trailer as being fake in order to downplay. I guess you wanted it
to Be fake or something?

[MadLad]

@lightning

They don't actually care about being right. They just want people to think they're right, so it downplays the showing.

[bouzebbal]

It did look good but felt like a movie the only thing she was doing was throwing arrows

[mkis007]

I mean it wasn't very interactive as far as intertwining gameplay systems go, but not all games need that kind of thing. Some games can just be art with interactive elements.

[Babadook7]

Yes. I agree with you. The character faces and lighting in the first "trailer" were too good to be true. DF agreed as well. This new one is good but no where near the top graphics of today.

[gravedigger]

It is a clearly downgrade, especially in character design, little less in environments. First trailer was a real-time, so, it used a gameplay assets, so, yes, it is a downgrade!

[SeTTriP]

Why would they? the series x is more then capable of producing this type of fidelity in real time and the game is linear.

[Godmars290]

But so linear and static gameplay can be mistaken as a cutscene?

[Old McGroin]

@ Godmars290

Just started playing the first Hellblade a couple of days ago. It's a very linear, narrative led game, no HUD and looks fantastic. Having played it I had no problem believing the Hellblade 2 trailer was in real time. You should give it a go, it's a great game.

[frostypants]

People apparently missed the Matrix tech demo, too.

[Godmars290]

@frostypants:
And notice there's clear distinction about what is and isn't gameplay.

[itsmebryan]

I think the game looked great even though I couldn't get in to the first one I will give it a try.

Also what happened to all those people that Unreal 5 could only run on PS5 because of it's "super fast SSD" . This game and Matrix awaken proves them wrong again. People really need to stop jumping to conclusions before they get all the facts and stop making things up.

[dumahim]

I don't remember anyone saying UE5 would only run in PS5. That'd be shot down immediately. I don't think anyone thought Epic was going to make UE5 exclusive. Whether or not Xbox could run Lumen in the Land of Nanite could be up for debate though, since no one knows what HD speeds would be needed, especially for the last part when she's flying.

[itsmebryan]

@dum
Look it up. When the first UE5 demo came out on on PS5 fans of PS5 were saying only the PS5's super fast SSD would be able to run UE5 as well. I tried to tell them that that made no sense and the UE5 was for all platforms. But, they told me I was wrong and downvoted me.

Look it up to see how silly fanboys can be.

[Flewid638]

There are a lot of games they clearly haven't played.

[FlavorLav01]

It’s a “next-gen” linear walking Sim. It should look that good! Anything less would’ve been a disappointment after this much time.

[itsmebryan]

@Flavor
"Walking sim"? I thought it had alot more going on than just "Walking ". Please explain.

[FlavorLav01]

@itsmebryan, based on the 1st game. We all know that combat was more than basic. Ryse son of Rome had “complex” gameplay compared to Hellblade. It’s a plague tale type game. Heavy on atmosphere, super light on actual combat and gameplay mechanics. Therefore, if it weren’t pretty it wouldn’t stand out. Graphics are what this game has going for it, just like the 1st game.

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

Have you played Hellblade 2 yet? You seem to have some inside info about the game.

[Atom666]

That's not what a "walking sim" is though. Why does that get thrown around so much?

And the stand out feature from the first game was the audio more than the graphics. It was pretty, especially for its budget at the time, but that's not what made it special.

The bigger budget, resources, time, and power certainly is helping improve those graphics, though. I'm also excited to see that updated combat they've discussed. We haven't seen what all of this work produces yet:

"Melina Juergens, the actress who plays Senua, has also been training hard with Smiff, the swordmaster for Star Wars and Game of Thrones. The team is capturing every move, Senua and enemy AIs alike, via motion capture which gives the impression that they plan on making combat more complicated and realistic than it was in the last game."

[Old McGroin]

@ FlavorLav01

Wouldn't say your description is accurate. The combat isn't basic as you say. There's light and heavy attacks as well as kick back/melee which can be mixed and matched for combos as well as dodging, blocking and parrying. You fight multiple foes together and get audio warnings from the voices in your head if an attack is incoming from behind etc. There's also your Focus mode and bosses for each area. So no, the combat isn't basic.

The meat of the game revolves around puzzles, most of which I've come across involve clever audio and visual clues to progress. On top of that, the graphics and voice acting are on another level.

Guessing you haven't played it because even though I'm only about half way through it I can see your description is way off.

[Lightning77]

I guess you hated The Order, Detroit, The Last Of Us, Death Stranding then?The games that Sony is heavily known for or is that different some how?

[CaptainHenry916]

Going to be waiting for a long time ⌛️ on this one https://www.techradar.com/n...

[Godmars290]

All I'm hearing is that as a budget title the first Hellbalde was little more than an interactive graphic novel. That this sequel, while having access to more resources and UE5, isn't going to be much more.

And that regardless of that, the Xbox camp will defend it as only being ground breaking. Something that's been imposed upon if not promised by NT but never delivered.

[Saranya]

If it were Sony games, "Oh it's must be realtime."

[Godmars290]

If it were Sony, they'd not only have a reputation behind such claims, but like with the KZ2 demo from back in the day that later proved to be more mock up than actual gameplay, clear suggested indication of what was and wasn't gameplay. A graphical breakdown after the fact that further aimed for representative gameplay. Not just a dev saying it was real.

[darthv72]

I could tell when it would shift from non-player controlled sequence to player controlled. Many expressed how it didnt seem like game play due to the lack of a targeting reticle or any sort of on screen hud / command queues. I figured for this slice, they just turned that off so you could focus more on all the details of the demo.

[Obelisk92]

To me it just looks like an in-engine trailer. Yeah it's real time, but I highly doubt it's actual gameplay, the camera is way too scripted.

Still looks very good of course.

[Powerhug]

If you look closely you can see the transition between scripted events and the player taking control over the character. They sort of look like micro stutters.

[Neonridr]

it was reported by one of the people at the studio that it was being played by a dev.

[Jericho1337]

We’ll the first game didn’t have a hud either.

[jukins]

Only time that looked player controlled was the the running away from the troll. You could see a little hitch before the running started.

[dumahim]

I think when she aimed to throw the spear was controlled as well since it seemed like the screen was locked to her aim. It was pretty short through since they didn't spend much time aiming.

[oldenjon]

Wrong, this game is super basic. There is no hud because there is no complexity to the combat system. These games are just a vehicle for story, and the combat is only there for immersion. It's niche AF, first game was priced at $30 sold 1 million.... I don't know why people are getting so hyped or why Microsoft is trying to hype it so much. Also, the trailer is an in-engine story sequence with a few parts where you control movement. I doubt you control spear throwing but as you can see they're totally ineffective against the giant, and just part of the story anyways.

[1nsomniac]

While you’re right about the second half of your comment the first half proves you’ve never actually played the first game.

[oldenjon]

@1nsomniac care to tell me how the first half is wrong or how you would know I didn't play the first game?

[wiz7191]

Crazy thing the first game didn’t really have a HUD , unless it’s turned off by default

[ApocalypseShadow]

It's not impossible to see. Both consoles can display graphics at a level beyond cross gen games. We just need the shift to current consoles by developers a lot sooner. When that happens, graphics like this or better will just be common place just like every gen from first party engines. Even the third party Unreal Engine demos(plural) past and present, proved that.

[CS7]

100%. People are highly underestimating how much cross gen games are really holding us back.

The SSD is a complete game changer in video game design and yet we have to wait 2 years for it to be used consistently.

GOW2 and Horizon FW while I’m sure will be great I can help but imagine what it would have been like without cross-gen.

To all who are struggling to get a PS5 at MSRP. Go on Twitter and follow the PS5 supply drop accounts.
Turn on notifications. Immediately as they are posted go to the retailers site and order. You would get one within a week.

[Flewid638]

Cross gen games holding what back? The Order came out a gazillion years ago and still looks like CGI. Death Stranding has photorealistic characters across all platforms, and it still runs at heightened framerates on stronger hardware.

Literally every modern Quantic Dream game since Beyond 2 Souls on PS3 look like this as well. Law of diminishing returns on visuals started last gen.

[Teflon02]

Horizon looks fantastic. GoW looks like the last game with more detail. But Horizon is a pretty big leap. They're just not using the same lense tricks as it's not needed in it. Personally I'd rather the artstyle they're using over photo realism. Hellblades style words for it since it's a mind game

[AKS]

I spent months following supply drops with trackers and was up in the middle of the night for hours before I actually got a PS5, and that was in an expensive bundle. I started trying to grab one essentially the second the supply became available. Often websites just locked up and continuously loaded in the checkout/ shopping cart for 15 minutes, which is long after they were gone. I have a 1 Gbps connection. It wasn't something I was doing wrong. You were just very lucky if you got one within a week.

[jukins]

Cross gen games dont hold back. . . Plenty of examples. . .Spiderman miles, forza horizon 5, horizon forbidden west all look amazing. .

[Muigi]

Exactly and I wish people would stop defending them, just because they can’t get their hands on a next gen console.
Cross gen 100% holds back these consoles. Those old consoles are from 2013 with slow HDDs and cellphone cpu’s. Yes they’re are good looking games from the PS4 era, but its not just about visuals when we talk about the limitations the last gen brings.

[CS7]

To all who are saying oh the graphics look great on cross gen games.

YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT.

The SSD allows for exponentially different entire game structures.

For example lets say GG wanted to make a triple -layered city bustling with people in Horizon FW. The city would need to be structured in a way that gives the PS4 HDD enough time to load so they would need to build the city with repeating assets. There would be long elevator rides and winding roads to hide that the PS4 is loading. This seamless city cannot be built on PS4.

In Ragnarok, let’s say there was a 2,000 person army battle, with you flying over the fight and fighting a giant. Sorry! The PS4 can’t load all of that at the same time. So that idea would need to be scaled back to what the PS4 can handle and then just look pretty on PS5.

It is not just the graphics. It is so much more. Last gen is holding back nex gen.

[iplay1up2]

Thank you! I didn't know that!! Will give it a try! Luckily we have a temporary roommate. She is playing my Series X, and I am finally getting hands on with PS5. Both consoles are great!

I definitely will miss her PS5 when she is gone. Been looking all year for one. I will gladly take your advice!

[Flewid638]

People will sit there and say cross gen games hold visuals back, while literally nothing next gen looks as good as games like TLOU2. lmao

[walken7]

Looked neat, but the constant screaming was overkill.

[My_Name_is_Earl]

Right? Whisper when fighting a giant monster who is eating your friend.

[Michiel1989]

whisper in a battle? its a battle not a sexual encounter....

[CrimsonWing69]

@Michiel1989

I’m pretty sure that was his point…

[My_Name_is_Earl]

My bad Michiel, I forgot some people have a hard time detecting sarcasm.

[4Sh0w]

lol, that was a funny exchange but on another note I really like what their doing cinematically with this game....not every game has to appeal directly to me, I dont want to ruin it for the fans of the last game but I cant help but hope this one has more gameplay action for me. The graphics and story telling is phenomenal tho'.

[Magog]

Yeah that's gonna get old fast. If you've played any Ninja Theory game you know overacting is their signature.

[HardKnockKid24]

So stop playing their games?

[Binarycode]

Kinda reminds me of The later Tombraiders grunts and such. Overkill. Did my head in.

[Bathyj]

Who thought differently?

[My_Name_is_Earl]

Your kin here on N4G. Don't play daft.

[MadLad]

The downplay mob of the usual sorts were really, really playing hard after the game awards.

[mkis007]

How many are people with avatars that you see daily on here though. There are many throwaway accounts that only show up to fanboy for one side or another.

[generic-user-name]

Nothing about this trailer made me think it wasn't gameplay, well 'gameplay'. The first trailer on the other hand, the one that supposedly showed off how strong the XSX is, yeah I'm not surprised that one wasn't real.

[Junkrad2022]

i don't know why people think it isn't, nothing mind blowing but facial expressions were Incredible, cannot wait to get my hands on it

[CrimsonWing69]

Nothing mind blowing!? Can you please point out a game that looks anything nearly as good as this that blew your mind?

[mkis007]

He probably could have worded it better, but aside from graphics, animation, and sound, it isn't a very gameplay focused trailer, even if it has interaction. You are able to do a lot more with power if you sacrifice one thing or another. In this situation they didn't have to worry about gameplay as much. It's similar to why people don't get too amazed by car sims all that much or even flight simulator....yes they are beautiful, but what is it that the game is doing on top of being beautiful? Is there a destruction system, is there environmental awareness for animations and debris? Does the player weapon or body clip through things? Is there active physics?

Hellblade wasn't an explosive game it was a narrative focused one. Which is why I am excited for this sequel.

[generic-user-name]

The Order 1886 from 2015.

[Teflon02]

Personally, it' doesn't look like anything shocking or "AMAZING". Looks good but it's a whole bunch of off focus shots darkness and close ups. If you played the first game, this kinda just feels exactly like what a next gen version would feel like tbh. Like it's not anything I'd be like WOW unexpected for. Like I was shocked by Rift Apart because I actually couldn't imagine how they were going to top Ratchet 2016 graphically and blew it out the park. Hellblade for the most part looked like this already. So it is what it is. It's like Uncharted 3-4. Was it a upgrade. YUP but after you understood Naughty Dog from the PS3 games, it wasn't a shock they were able to pull it off. Kinda just the natural progression.

[Atticus_finch]

Uncharted 4 and tlou2 look better imo.

[Junkrad2022]

the last of us part 2 looks better

[dumahim]

The whole thing was dark and it's hard to show great detail in dark scenes. It does look really good, but if they want to wow people, it should be in a scene with better lighting so the great detail can be seen.

[MadLad]

Of course it is.
The downplay had on here a few days ago was pathetic, to say the least.

[oldenjon]

Denying that it's in-engine is pretty dumb, but calling it gameplay is also pretty dumb. It's an in-engine story sequence / cutscene with some brief moments where you control movement. Hellblade is beautiful but also boring as fuck and barely a game so the hype, trolling, and flippant up/downvoting on these threads is obviously fanboyism. People are calling Ninja Theory Microsoft's Naughty Dog FFS.

[Terry_B]

Heavily scripted real time. Basically a cutscene with basic gameplay like walking while all the action is not controlable / happens whatever the player does.

[DJStotty]

"a cutscene with basic gameplay"

It's either one or the other, it is impossible to have both, if you have control, it's gameplay, if you don't, it's a cutscene.

[mkis007]

What do you classify the matrix demo as then? I would call them both gameplay and hellblade 2 more impressive because of the balance of technical feats. Even if the pure technical beauty of the graphics in the matrix is more impressive. That's because what is impressive is not a universal term.

Do the rocks move as you step on them in the cave? That's one thing they are saving power by not simulating as an example.

You give me Hellblade 1 graphics with a full physics, deformation, and destruction, system I would call it revolutionary compared to the Hellblade 2 gameplay. What do you think ?

[DJStotty]

@mkis007

"What do you classify the matrix demo as then?"

I can not say, i am yet to try it out, but if you have control of what is going on, then it is gameplay, plain and simple, if you have no control and are just watching, then it is a cut-scene, nothing more nothing less..

[oldenjon]

@DJStotty that's easy: a tech demo. That's actually close to a good description for the kind of game Hell Blade is. It's basically a vehicle for story, with combat and gameplay being elements for immersion, and not very deep at all. The trailer is an in-engine story sequence, that gives control over movement at brief moments, and maybe has you controlling spear throwing but if you didn't notice, it's completely ineffective against the giant and just developing the story anyways. It's times like this when the bias of Xbox fanboys realllllly shows. Hellblade was niche AF, priced at $30 and only sold 1 million copies.

[dumahim]

I see it as mostly cutscene with a few moments of being able to control throw in. It's kind of like some on-rails sections of games with QTE, but instead of a button press, you've got a moment to aim and throw the spear before control is taken away again.

[Greg2801]

I think the biggest reason why people thought it wasn't gameplay, is because there was wasn't much gameplay at all. It was just her running in a straight line throwing some spears.

It was a heavily scripted scene, which btw looked amazing. But I said this before, I wished they showed different gameplay. Or maybe ended it with a trailer with different gameplay scenes.

[DJStotty]

Plenty of time to show other scenes, still got E3 and all the other shows before this game is launched.

[Ron_Danger]

It’s December 15… Wait till E3 guys!!

[DJStotty]

E3 being the main show, all 3 platforms have their fans "wait till E3", and no one here is saying as such, nice attempt, but failing on many levels, you need to come up with something new.

[Ron_Danger]

Do I really need to put “/s” for sarcasm, or did a little joke really touch a nerve?!

“Wait till E3” is a known MS phrase that people online laugh about, just like “riiiiiiiidge raaaaacer!” for Sony, or “it just works” for Bethesda,

[DJStotty]

Face it, you were not "being sarcastic", with a comment history of calling everyone "trolls" all the while bashing xbox and praising Sony spoke volumes, and required no touching of nerves.

Your "sarcasm" will be best placed in a different tab.

[Ron_Danger]

Ok dude… whatever helps you sleep better. Your bias is making you see what you want to see. Everyone here knows exactly the type of poster you are and it’s made even more obvious based on your knee jerk reactions here.

The users I call out for trolling are people who created accounts that day (or sometimes for that specific article) and it doesn’t matter which console they support.

[DJStotty]

@Ron_Danger

"Everyone here knows exactly the type of poster you are"

Your right they do, a truthful, unbiased poster, that calls out trolls in xbox articles (because yes i am an xbox fan, but a gamer overall) all the while offering praise to other platforms/games, i mean my history is right there for everyone to see, it's just that peeps on N4G can not handle it.

I mean i could quote some of your recent comments, but quite frankly i feel that would be entering a low that is unwarranted.

[CaptainHenry916]

Looking forward in playing this in two years

[DJStotty]

Holiday 2022 i'll take a punt at.

[RaidenBlack]

Given the studio's size and the ambition ... I assume late-2023.
Also, take in account that 2022 is already jammed with 2021-delay(s) + the already announced 2022 releases.
So why MS will cram this one there too? Instead give it a space to breathe in 2023.

[DJStotty]

@RaidenBlack

"So why MS will cram this one there too?"

Ok so what game is Xbox's 1st party Holiday 2022 launch game? It ain't going to be Gears, and Forza is most probably 2023.

[Jericho1337]

Erm… Starfield? I’m expecting 2023 also.

[DJStotty]

@Jericho

So you are just expecting 1 game for Holiday 2022?

We have seen more of Hellblade 2 than Starfield, so one would assume it is further along in the dev cycle, no way it is 2023

[dumahim]

I don't think there's any way this will launch in 2022. Even if that was the target when they started development, pretty much everything gets delayed these days.

And why not Forza? FM7 came out in 2017. They've already invited people for beta testing.

[Lightning77]

Realistically I can see Q1 or Q2 2023. They're building out the rest of the world and fine tuning Unreal Engine. Late 2022 would be insane. Starfield and this game? Bethesda or Ninja Theory don't wanna compete for mind share and sales. GREAT for xbox owner though lol IG that we're the case.

[DJStotty]

@Lightning77

So your going with mid-2022 to Holiday 2022? (We are currently in Q2 FY2022 for xbox) I'm not so sure, it has been in development a long time, i think we will get a decent showing at the next public event (not sure which that is, could be GDC) with a late 2022/early 2023 launch window (Q2/Q3 FY2023), Forza and Starfield are different genres, thus would not directly compete for market space.

@dumahim

Forza Motorsport is a Holiday 2022 launch window (albeit as of yet not concrete) but i think they will push this to 2023 to allow Horizon to have extra shelf life.

[MadLad]

Imagine having to wait for games to actually be developed.

[CaptainHenry916]

Everyone is going to be waiting for a while. I don't know why Ninja Theory decided to show this game so early.

https://www.shacknews.com/a...

https://www.techradar.com/n...

I'll be back in 2 years LMAO

[dumahim]

Yeah. When they announced it, I think Phil was the one who said it's in early stages of development. Also we know it'll be UE5 game which isn't officially released until next year. I think it's safe to assume it's going to take more than a few months to get the game built and ready to release after UE5 is ready.

[CaptainHenry916]

I agree. A lot if the fans or fanboys are delusional to think this game is coming out next year when Ninja Theory said the game was in early development like around 4 to 5 months ago

https://www.techradar.com/n...

[Lightning77]

This was announced. Mid summer. It's most likely 2023 release date. You need to start doing research allot sooner, this isn't new.

Nobody said Anything about this game releasing next year.

[Magog]

Super low lighting and constant blur is a sort of trick. Definitely looked real time but not what I would call gameplay.

[Lightning77]

https://today-in--24-com.cd...

The dev was playing with a actual controller.

If there's one skill in life you ppl need to do is research, get smart on this stuff... Type things in before saying anything especially if it's Xbox related stuff.

I'm sorry Thats right you're way more smarter and qualified than the entire team at NT though. Let's hear your expert lvl of excuses now.

[Magog]

I'm not saying it wasn't played live I'm.saying there was nothing to the gameplay at all. Run. Chuck a spear. Run. Chuck a spear. Oof.

[gravedigger]

Quote :

The first trailer didn't show any gameplay just the graphics. So no character models running around or advanced physics at play just the world unlike the new trailer. I wouldn't call it any kind of downgrade, when Senua talks her mouth and teeth still have the same sync and detail like the first trailer. The fire has the same detail.

You sound very disappointed this was real in game trailer as you attempted to revert back to the original trailer as being fake in order to downplay. I guess you wanted it
to Be fake or something?

....

It is a clear downgrade! No discussion. Especially in character design, little less in environments. First trailer was a real-time, so, yes, it used gameplay assets and it is a downgrade.

[antikbaka]

how dare you say that moving left-right, moving camera and press "F to throw a spear" is not real intriguing and fascinating gameplay. Gosh

[antikbaka]

there is no Play in that Game. Should have made a Netflix series insted.

[Atticus_finch]

Lmao

[Chevalier]

Like that wildlife adventure on Netflix. Choose what happens. Lol

[YourMommySpoils]

Not impressed. Not that the first game had anything that stood out also. Still looks like a mediocre title.

[MadLad]

Saw very little hate for the game until Ninja Theory became a Microsoft studio.

It was kind of an indie darling prior to that.
Weird.

[Atticus_finch]

Hahahahahaha.
Wait so you don't remember where the phrase "walking simulator" came from.

[dbcoops]

That's a bunch of bull, when it was exclusive to Sony's console it was hardly considered a "darling", xbox fans did nothing but hate on the game, it wasn't until it finally came to xbox and then MS bought NT those same people started singing a different song. Weird.

[YourMommySpoils]

I couldn't even bother finishing it. No the game had a lot of hate and I'm not talking only within the game. The hate came from how depressing it was. The new game play trailer looks no different.

[Nuvem]

I never doubted that it was real-time. The game does not look that good honestly.

[13sentinel]

Hellblade 2 looked jaw dropping, it was obvious that was real time gameplay. You could clearly see her character was walking and getting controlled. I'd buy a series x just for this one, but who knows when this will release. Im expecting late 2023

It gave me the same reaction from when I first saw the order 1886.

[Aussiesummer]

The first reveal certainly wasn't.

[Teflon02]

Find it funny when Uncharted 4 released literal gameplay on it's release people would argue that Sony's games are all movies no gameplay. But then these guys are flipping hats at a literal video of that which describes what they don't like lol. Love how everyone always moves goal posts.

[Chevalier]

Yeah remember no one likes 3rd person cinematic adventure games because they're 'boring'? But yeah suddenly everyone is excited now? Lol

[Donjune]

Why are people so upset that the game was running in real time? Don't worry Sony will produce comparable or better graphics with their games. Chill! Great for GAMERS!

[badboyz09]

show a button or two in the trailer.

[Atticus_finch]

I think few people doubt that it was actual game. The problem was that it was heavy scripted. So barely gameplay.
My main thing is how this is supposed to be impressive graphically but I just don't see. Games like Tlou2 have done dark and gloomy better with better facial and movement animations. And that was on last gen hardware. Not impressive at all.

[Binarycode]

It looks good, but it dosen't look like CGI.

Unreal Engine 5 is a powerful engine and will only improve.

[ALMGNOON]

the frame rate will be ass, the video was already choppy...

[thesoftware730]

Hahaha, So much salt!

Then you jump over to the PS4 Horizon: FW thread and see people saying the PS4 version looks better than The Matrix Experience! gotta love it.

This game graphically beats the pants of of Horizon:FW. Go look at Senua's character model alone, face expressions and all and compare it to Alloy..big difference.

The Matrix experience is graphically mind-blowingly real looking.

[Magog]

Nope, sorry. This game doesn't hold a candle to HFW. Horizon is more stylized but also far more detailed.

[ZwVw]

So it graphically doesn't hold a candle to a cross-gen game which is also being released on last-gen hardware? Whatever you say.

[darkrider]

It's scripted in engine, like Sony done so many times. Horizon is gameplay.

[Binarycode]

Both games look great.

All engines are updates that run on previous hardware 9/10.

Horizon will come away from PS4 after this, just like spiderman etc.

New tech will be built to fully take advantage of these newer machines, PS5 has quite a bit of unused tech.

As for the Matrix. It's a Demo.

First part is an on rails shooter.

When it becomes open world to roam in. There is no gameplay. You can drive and when you crash the game drops frames like a mofo.

The reason is because the crash simulations are not using nanite. They are being replaced by standard ones in a quick switch. Go watch DF foundry review of this.

But yes Nanite and Lumen are looking sweet and will only improve as times goes on.

It's early days.

Lastly HZD FW is a fully fleshed out title, and will bring decent upgrades to an already great looking title.

But the future is looking good graphically speaking. Physics still need a big bump up as does animations. TLOU AND UC4 are still miles ahead in this regard.

[iplay1up2]

It looks great!

[Einhander1971]

To be honest, I would hope this was all real time. This is the kind of leap I expected from this gen. CGI and real time visuals are becoming one.

[Agent75]

The tech is always going to give us top graphics. Most gamers these days are clinically obsessed with graphics over game play. Too many times this has happened and we all know that. Probably the same sort of thing as the last game.

[Tedakin]

When she was walking into the cave and running out it definitely looked like gameplay. There were even frame drops.

[Harryvok]

This real gameplay was definitely a noticeable step down from the 'in engine' stuff they showed originally. I kind of wish developers would stop doing the in engine trailers where they push everything to the max, because the game play never ends up looking as good.

[sourOG]

I mean technically running backwards is gameplay. I can see why they would say that, I just don’t like when they say that.

“It’s not a cutscene, it’s gameplay. You are actually walking the character in a straight line at a snail pace.” No, that’s a fancy QTE cutscene.