Cyberpunk Was Always Good - GUI.105

It astounds the boys at Green Dragon that Cyberpunk 2077 is receiving praise a year after its release. This week we get right back into all the reasons why Cyberpunk is an excellent game, delving into the distinction between the form vs matter of a work of art. Also featuring a discussion of how Cyberpunk treats the individuation of the human intellect by matter.

[IMissJimRyan]

I agree. When we remove what's bad, what's left is great, good, or average.

[Atom666]

Agreed. It also doesn't get enough credit for for bringing us back to a good pacing in an open world.

There's plenty to keep you busy, but 40 hours can get you through the story, most big side missions, and the companion missions. There's not a huge amount of useless bloat to throw off the narrative.

[IMissJimRyan]

I was being ironic.

[mkis007]

Night City was billed as this living entity, I at least expected NPC routines.

[Atom666]

Haha, nope. I found a lot to enjoy about it.

I'm sure all of you guys played it too, but it's ok that we have different opinions about games we play.

[Zhipp]

@mkis
NPCs had routines in The Witcher 1. Do they seriously not in this game?

[Yui_Suzumiya]

I'm with you on this brother. Those boring and forgettable games made by Rockstar and Ubisoft could learn alot from Cyberpunk.

[dreamoner]

Throw every frikin little low effort content/activity to your face from the get go, fixers keep bothering you on top of that and that is good pacing? Lmao

[Atom666]

Yes, it is.

The "filler" are 2min little pieces of action.

Missions from fixers are divided out by difficulty to help you pace out where you are in the leveling.

All easily ignored if you just want to stick to the main quests that don't require excessive filler for leveling. They struck the balance between having too little to occupy the ADD crowd nd having too much for the OCD crowd.

I think my final clock time was like 45 hours and I completely all of the major-moderate missions.

Compare that to every other open world game we've played in the last 10 years.

It's not perfect by any means, and they deserve the backlash for the bugs. But the hate over the actual game is confusing to me.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

Damn.. I actually thought someone here had a brain cell and wasn't following the hate mob like all the other sheep on this site. I was about to praise you until I saw you were being ironic, lol. I own the game for a base PS4 and haven't had any issues like other people.

[dbcoops]

When we remove whats bad we're left with the box art. ;)

[NeoGamer232]

That is like saying the house is really nice, except the construction done is falling apart.

Good is not only gameplay, story, etc. It is also whether it was well-constructed to begin with. Cyberpunk just wasn't ready to ship and they tried to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. I applaud gamers that chose not to accept that and reviewers who knocked it because it wasn't ready yet.

Too many games ship not nearly done yet now-a-days. At least on XB there is Game Preview, I think more games should be declared in Preview when they ship.

[BigBosss]

Game was trash

[Yui_Suzumiya]

Such big brain, lol

[Snakeeater25]

Am sure you didn’t even played it more than 1 hour

[Terry_B]

Agreed.

Most people that trashed the game never played it and just judged it by the videos with the bugs.

[neutralgamer1992]

So all those bugs and glitches being shown in videos and social media were not there? I don't understand what you point is. That's why the game is $10

[porkChop]

That's not what they meant. The game was broken and extremely buggy. They've polished it up a bit but it still has a long way to go. But the point is that the actual game itself, when working correctly, was very good. Yet most people that never actually played it claim the game was terrible even without the bugs.

[TinkerNation]

Most people only ever encounter a few of those bugs in their entire playthroughs. I played the game about a month after launch and didn't have any problems. But it's easy to make a compilation of bugs when you combine ones from hundreds of different people.

[Omegasyde]

So looking at the videos and reviews, I should cast those off and just buy the game?

Game was trashed for a reason and still needs a lot of work a year later. Not just for bugs but lots of “missing advertised features”.

[GameZenith]

You mean the same "missing" features that was under the "not final, things are subject to change" label that was stamped on all gameplay videos?

[neutralgamer1992]

GameZenith

Yes yes the same because if CDPR were so honest why didn't they allow any console footage? How anyone can defend these games which are clearly launching in a unfinished state is beyond me

They hid the actual gameplay of all console versions because they knew what state the game was in and instead showed only high end PC footage

It was one of the select few games where YouTubers and big gaming sites all agreed it launched clearly needing more time to polish

There is a reason so many big games now launch unfinished because gamers are willing to pay full price to buy and test the games for the developers and provide feedback for them to actually fix the games

We as a community are so split on which box is better that now micro transactions are defended by saying no one is forcing you to buy. But than UBI went a step further and added MT in single player games. Either pay for XP boosters or grind playing the fetch quests

What use to be unlockables and or cheat codes are now micro transactions and we as gamers are so busy defending these practices that publishers don't care

[Yui_Suzumiya]

My man! Someone I can agree with. People are sheep remember? Mob mentality and whatnot. That's all I can deduce since I own a last gen version and it's been fine since being patched.

[dbcoops]

I played it for a bit until I decided to stop and wait for a next gen upgrade. I don't trash it but I was definitely disappointed and can see why others would trash it.

[GameZenith]

Get a PC which is what the best experience is anyways.

Even the next gen upgrade will be inferior to the PC experience.

Most people complaining are console owners.

[dbcoops]

@GameZenith

I have a PC a very capable one but I prefer to play on console and I had already bought it for Playstation and had no desire to buy it twice.

[Vithar]

if they would not have released old gen, the story would be very different now. I played on PS5 and had a very good experience.

[Sashamaz]

If you ignore the bugs and focus only on the game play and story, then cyberpunk is average at best.

[CS7]

That’s not true.

I played on PS5 and had 4 crashes in three hours with tons of bugs with sub-par blurry 1080p graphics.

Applied for refund as soon as it was available.

[GameZenith]

Thats why you get a PC to have the ideal experience.

[MadLad]

Damn. Guess I didn't consider fairly subpar.

[Jaces]

Hopefully it pulls a No Mans Sky, I freaking bled for my 3080 just to play this.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

Yet I had no problems on base PS4 after it was patched

[outsider1624]

Maybe you got the perfect copy that was supposed to be released. Congrats!

[dbcoops]

Sure.

[Rocosaurus]

Had a great time with it on my XSX

[Traecy]

Just waiting for the next gen upgrade to finally play.

[dbcoops]

Same.

[justadelusion]

Opinions can indeed be wrong.

[got_dam]

The game had a lot of good in it. I enjoyed my time very much. That being said, I was on pc and was lucky enough to have the game run mostly smooth. If I was a co sole player.... yeah, I think I would be pretty damn pissed as well. Hope CDPR learned something from this.

[CS7]

What people forget with this game that it wasn’t just that the game was buggy. It was that developers specifically went out of their way to BLATANTLY lie about the state of the game.

They lied to get sales, hid the last gen version of the game from reviews. And they got 8 million in preorders for their lies.

“Forgiving” this just sends a signal to game devs:
Just lie to get sales and release a broken game.

That’s not ok.

If you think we should roll over and forget CP2077’s launch then you are the reason why we have Call of Duty Vanguard, BF 2042 and GTA Trilogy DE.

A FEW of the BLATANT Lies:

“CP2077 aims to be as polished as RDR2 at launch”(2 months before launch)
“The game runs surprisingly well on last gen consoles”
“Last gen consoles are the focus for development”
“The game will release when it is ready”
“NPC would have unique daily routine and AI”
“Immersive police involvment changing with the area where you commited the crime”
“ AMAZING AI that directs enemies during combat/patrol but also citizens and npcs' daily life”
“You can purchase apartments”
“Your life path would provide a definitive unique gameplay experience”
“Acid rain with NPCs seeking shelter”
The population density of the E3 demo

And more that I’m too lazy to write.

We deserve better.

https://www.vg247.com/amp/c...

https://techraptor.net/gami...

[Yui_Suzumiya]

Ohhh another sheep, lol

[anast]

They also asked us not to refund the game because they will fix the last gen. console versions. Then a couple of weeks ago they were talking about how the game will improve with new hardware. I kept the game because I thought they could fix it, I am ignorant when it comes to "what they can and cannot fix", now it looks like they knew that they were never going to be able to fix the last gen console version and they just said what they could to stop refunds. They have reached EA, Blizzard/Activison and Ubisoft status.

[myfathersbastard]

It’s hard to tell when the game in unplayable for a large portion of people.
I was playing on PS5, which they claimed worked pretty well, and I had a dozen or so full crashes, another dozen game breaking bugs where something stopped working or just didn’t activate. And a handful of game freezes needing a full console reset just to get out of. And that’s not including the dozens and dozens of immersion breaking bugs that’s were annoying but you could still play through. All that in less than 10hrs of gameplay.
Game was a mess, and I’ve heard it mostly still is.
Can’t blame people for saying it’s trash when so many haven’t been able to really play the game and have had bad experiences with it.

[Darkborn]

I have the game case sitting on my table to play it with the next Gen update. I got it for free so I don't care if it is good or bad when I try it out. I'm hoping they do a good job next year with it.

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

the game was objectively bad. you can still have your opinion on whether or not you liked it, but the game was objectively horrible at launch.

[gleepot]

No it wasn't. It was awful. And it still is.

[FPS_D3TH]

Lots of console gamers in the comments. Solid fun game on pc that never should’ve touched last gen or released an inferior version on current gen. It wasn’t by any means a raving witcher 3 like success but it was hardly the trash unplayable mess old gen console users and even next gen consoles had to suffer through.

[Fntastic]

Could've just released on PC first, like HL2 and Doom 3, I made a similar argument in another post and a troll actually said that's why the games were worse than the originals. Even tho the first Half Life was on PC over 2 years before it came to PS2. Fanboy trolls are hilarious.

[FPS_D3TH]

Yup. The game clearly suffered and cut content just to run on last gen. A port at a later time wouldve been just fine.

[pietro1212]

Game was mediocre, easily CD Project Red’s weakest project to date

[Yui_Suzumiya]

You mean best one? 😁

[Thunder_G0d_Bane]

Witcher 3 is one of the best rpgs to date.

[pietro1212]

Witcher 3 is their best title and one of the greatest RPGs ever made. I can’t even consider Cyberpunk a good game. A decent game doesn’t crash on you 18 times and have a stock pile of bugs and glitches. Let’s not get started on the gameplay. The only decent thing about Cyberpunk 2077 is some of the character moments are good.

[SimpleSlave]

lol...

[BrainSyphoned]

They promised the moon and gave us regurgitated cheese.

[DaniMacYo]

Yes Cyperpunk was always Bad.

[chicken_in_the_corn]

It was always good but never great

[Yui_Suzumiya]

The game that GTA wishes it could be. The best example of how an RPG should be done. I'm talking after the patches because it was buggy in the beginning for certain. I wish all action RPG's were exactly like this though.

[CantThinkOfAUsername]

You're being delusional, mate. It's okay to like the game, I like it as well, but this game has nothing on GTA (and last I checked, GTA isn't an RPG).

[Yui_Suzumiya]

GTA is the most boring gaming experience I've had since I started gaming back in 1990. Just my opinion. I'd pick Duke Nukem Forever over GTA. That was a much better experience.

[Thunder_G0d_Bane]

Witcher 3 remains the bar of RPGs. Cyberpunk needs to catch up that first. And it’s made by the same dev.

GTA shouldn’t even be mentioned here it’s not an rpg so it’s goal is completely different. And it has a more realistic open world to add. So not even comparable at all.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

The Witcher III unfortunately bored me also

[pietro1212]

yui_suzumiya
So you dislike the better game and actually RPG experience?

[Brutus83]

The game at its core is good. It just needed more time in development and CDPR shouldnt have succumbed to public pressure to release it when it was not ready.

[mastershredder]

Hee hee!!!

[lellkay]

lol

[Moe-Gunz]

Played it on my ps5 and didn’t encounter bugs really. Still I found the game pretty boring and the city felt dull. Additionally, the hype saying this game will be groundbreaking didn’t help because what I played was a average at best game that didn’t innovate anywhere really.

So basic that I stopped playing and was mad that I purchased it. They have a long way to go.

[1nsomniac]

No part of Cyberpunk 2077 is excellent and if you consider it to be then you are simply lying. This is not a case of personal preference. The technicalities of the design and implementation don’t allow it to be. It’s weak and in fact if you ignore the gloss it’s not just a generation behind but a further generation behind that. For example you have to remember that GTAV first released on PS3 and it has much better physics, animation, AI, scripting.

It was an ambitious project that just get released way, way before it was ready. Just accept it and stop making excuses. It still has plenty of opportunity to improve. That does not change however the state that it released in and the lies that we’re told to customers in the process. I have the PC version but Can’t imagine how pissed I would of been if I had bought the original console version. And what if they hadn’t received the amount of public backlash they did. That would still be the version you’re getting, like it or not.

[HeliosHex]

I recently got this for the ONE X. Iam loving this game night city is beautiful, the characters interesting, the weapons awesome. The work that went into this game and the love for all things cyberpunk shows. It's unfortunate that it was a mess at launch but it plays really well now. Occasionally some funny glitches pop up and sometimes it crashes but not enough to hate playing it. This is an open world game too full of intrigue to not play it. I think another patch or two will fix the last bit of glitches and play perfectly. Right now it plays fine on the mid tier x. Great game regardless of launch problems. If you've been on the fence I'd say now is a good time to get and enjoy this really cool game.

[lio_convoy]

I LOL'd at the title 🤣

[AmUnRa]

No, in the beginning is was a trainwreck, after many patches it is a bit better, but still not good enough.

[Monkeycan8]

Still not an RPG with choice.

[MajinRose17]

Played a solid 2/3 hours before i encountered emersion breaking Graphical Glitches. And just felt bored with what the game had me doing. Basically driving around and or being driven around on rails parts when partner ai takes control of car and all i do is shoot unenthusiasticly all while my gun has no shooting animations or bullets just shooting noises 😂. Mind u i just bought it on BLK Friday for 8.99 at GameStop. With all patches and updates installed.

[navi87]

Am I the only one who thinks this isnt a RPG? More like a FPS with RPG elements? Same for Witcher 3, Hack n slash with RPG elements.

[pietro1212]

For the Witcher 3, a majority of your choices actually matter. Stats also played a role especially on harder difficulties. Cyberpunk was a poorly made FPS with lite RPG elements and the illusion of choice.

[enkiduxiv]

This comment thread is interesting. While I tend to agree with the game's apologists that the core experience was very good. There was more wrong here than just bugs. The first act felt a bit rushed, the fixer missions felt like they were ripped from an Ubisoft game, and the game's combat mechanics were poorly balanced. It was still a very satisfying action rpg if you could look past all of that, but I can hardly blame people for refusing to do so.

However, this article is addressing the fact that no one is willing to acknowledge that the core experience is good because of how disastrous the launch was. Although it is a shame that this franchise will probably never recover from the stigma of this launch, I can't say that CDPR (at least the management) don't deserve this. At one point they promised a fully fleshed out crpg every bit as good as the classics. It was NOT that. At another point, they promised an Open World game as organic and alive as GTA. It was definitely NOT that either. Hopefully, publishers learn from this experience.

[Binarycode]

I heard there was a pool between Cyberpunk and BF2042 teams who could put a worse game out on release.

[Sayai jin]

Um no, it wasn't. If the launch game is considered good, then average games are groundbreaking and stellar.

[Nuvem]

lol no