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Xbox isn't wrong for charging more, they are wrong for having nothing to charge for

Xbox's planned, then abandoned, price hike for online membership has irritated the internet, but not for the right reasons. No one will ever enjoy a price increase. But the real problem on the part of Microsoft is the consistent lack of worthwhile things on offer in exchange for any quantity of our money, having cannibalized their core brands and refused to invest in ambitious or noteworthy new IPs. Join us at GreenDragonCVR for a discussion of what a healthy relationship of video games and business might look like. Also featuring the fantastic Resident Evil VIII Maiden demo (Resident Evil makes an interesting counterexample to MS franchises: still made by the same people making a very different sort of game, while Halo is made by different people making the same).

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Daddy-Like1221d ago (Edited 1221d ago )

I can agree with this. I love the brand and have invested heavily game-wise. My one annoyance is the lack of first-party games.

They have promised many titles, but it never seems to actually happen.

TheProblem1220d ago

I don’t think anything could justify a 100% price hike

GamerRN1220d ago

Thankfully it was reversed and free to play was taken out of the pay wall

Godmars2901220d ago

@GamerRN:
Only because of backlash. Something they should have known would draw backlash. Something they knew enough to remove the f2p requirement to soften their BS.

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gamer78041220d ago

While I disagree with the gold price hike the article is wrong, atleast for gamespass. Day one first party games on gamespass , Minecraft dungeons, hive busters on day one and halo infinite coming this year on the service along with tons of other third party games is def worth charging for.

Livingthedream1220d ago

The gamepass price of admission is fine, but their proposed Gold increase is ridiculous. They're two different things.

MrNinosan1220d ago

When you said Day One first party, you didn’t need to add Minecraft Dungeons and Halo Infinite as they are included in that.

I bought Series X in hope to believe all the hype about Gamepass, but shortly after, I realised I still get more and better for a lower price with PSNow.

Now I’m stuck with Game Pass for 2 years, so I hope the money was worth it when those 2 years have passed.

gamer78041220d ago

@MrNino How do you get more with psnow? All ps3 games are streamed and there is no day one ps games

SpineSaw1220d ago

@gamer7804
If only those "Day one First Party games" were must have, must play games but there not and I don't see a day when that changes even with Microsoft buying more gaming studios and producing more games. They maybe day one on GP but they will be multi-platform and one day in the $5 bin and maybe at that point be a must have game.

gamer78041220d ago

@spine that’s your opinion on what is must have though, halo Mac collection and gears 5 with hive busters are fantastic. Minecraft dungeons is also a blast especially if you have kids

343_Guilty_Spark1220d ago

You don't get more with PS Now

Teflon021218d ago

343

Actually you factually get more with PS Now. Like, literally google the quantity lol

gamer78041218d ago

@teflon. Oh you are talking number of games so quantity not quality whether visually (streaming only for ps3) or day one first party. Got it.

gamer78041218d ago

@raul that’s pretty much what I said. They listened to feedback from the hike and realized it was a bad move and rectified that as well as the free to play games aspect. So it’s a win for Xbox gamers.

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CaptainHenry9161220d ago

I guess Microsoft ain't making enough from gamepass 😁

RauLeCreuset1220d ago

The "annoyance" and the problem is how they conned so many into believing moves made to further Xbox's financial interests were pro consumer and about giving options, only to try blatantly undermining one of those options to the point that Live Gold only users would effectively be forced into buying a bundled Live Gold and Game Pass service they didn't want.

Livingthedream1220d ago

The increase doesn't make sense at all, I subscribed to game pass and have about about 2 1/2 years left because I converted a whole lot of gold into gp ultimate. I'm thinking a lot of people did something like this. Got three years of GP for about 100

gamer78041220d ago

It’s good they listened though rather than just sticking with a price hike whether it’s for a subscription or new games no?

RauLeCreuset1220d ago

@Livingthedream

It makes sense if you consider the blatant money grab would have affected a smaller community of gamers if what you said is correct. The potential for success increases when the number of people impacted is reduced. It's not so much about getting people to pay more for Gold as it is pressuring them to join those of you paying for GPU.

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No. You say "they listened," and that's the spin they're putting on it. It would be more accurate to say "they tried it." It doesn't take listening to know that a 100% price gouge and locking F2P behind a paywall are taking advantage of consumers. The only thing they listened to was the level of backlash to determine whether it was safe to proceed or if they should bide their time while playing the F2P card to regain the pro consumer narrative by not doing something they obviously shouldn't have done or considered doing and finally doing something they should have done 15 years ago.

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piroh1221d ago

Sad but true, my X1S is full of dust i should clear it off once in a while. The last time i played it was when Forza Horizon 4 launched, btw great game. Since then no reason to turn it on

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rlow11221d ago

I agree their hasn't been alot to get excited for. But they have invested heavily in studios. So I expect them to reveal new ips in the future.

GreenDragonCVR1221d ago

Hope so too! We are looking forward to Avowed. Even the Medium looks interesting. Its cool what they did with Gears Tactics too. These all just feel like sidenotes to the main MS show (of cloned games and sub offerings).

SullysCigar1220d ago

And for the IPs they've bought to release on all platforms to recoup acquisition costs...lol

rlow11220d ago

@sullycigar, trolling along I can see, definitely not surprise to see you putting a positive twist on things. I can agree they will bring most games to their ecosystem, but I'm not sure what you mean by all platforms. If your talking the Playstation Eco system, its a far flung possibility. To imply that they are so desperate for cash they would do anything.....keep smoking.

RauLeCreuset1220d ago

Right? Such balderdash. Xbox doesn't want money. Sully's talking like we're only having this conversation because Xbox just tried pulling a fast one to force Live Gold subscribers to either pay at least twice the cost of the 12-month subscription or shell out even more for the better valued GPU. The idea that Xbox might seek to recoup the costs of acquiring 3rd party IPs that were previously reliant on PS sales by continuing to sell them on PS is so far fetched as to be unworthy of consideration.

Silly gameAr1220d ago

Probably IP's that were already in the making before MS bought the studios.

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RazzerRedux1221d ago (Edited 1221d ago )

It was wrong per se, but it wasn't smart.

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CDPR say Witcher 4 will be different from Witcher 3: "We don't want to be stuck in the same spot"

The next Witcher game will still be an RPG but players can expect new things as CD Projekt Red want to push boundaries and discover new ways of storytelling.

Terry_B11h ago

Each of the 3 existing Witcher games is pretty different from each other..

Kaii10h ago

My only issue with 3 was with the combat

helicoptergirl10h ago

Bethesda seems like a studio that is "stuck in the same spot". Development wise. Glad CDPR are wary of that element in game design.

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Summer Game Fest 2024 and games conference schedule: All conference dates, times and streams

A schedule for all of the currently announced game conferences in June 2024, including the Summer Game Fest 2024 date and times.

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Lightning779h ago

For the first time in a long time I have a hard time feeling excited for these events. Maybe it's because of all these massive lay offs and closures there hasn't exactly been good news since the start of the year.

Maybe come next week I'll get a little more excited but I dunno I just can't get too excited right now

thorstein7h ago

Maybe it will be an indie showcase.

Cacabunga2h ago

Cancelling e3 and introducing some ridiculous events..
Times have changed.. to the worse

Lightning771h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Back then it was very exciting, great looking trailers, on stage live gameplay where yes things can and have went wrong but that's how we knew it was a real games being played instead of curated footage extra doctored up that didn't even represent the actual game half the time. Games would release 6 months to a year max not 3 years later.

I miss past E3's even the goofiness like Giant enemy crab or Riiiidge Raceeer. Xbox and Kinect glitching Nintendo's craziness. Again it was real, these days there so protective, clean, doctored sets, where nothing can absolutely go wrong. Too strict and professional with heavy PR babble with buzzwords that mean nothing. Being professional is not bad but when it's fake and corporate heavy where you're made to buy into the words rather than the game, that's how you know it's not real.

Now SFG is just sizzle reeling all the games at once. Plus past SGF events haven't been that great either. Maybe that's not Geoffs fault but the pubs and devs are simply never ready to show anything and have to wait. This gen we've been waiting and waiting for these games.

Plus lay offs as I Mentioned. I dunno Geoff needs to do what made E3 great back then, get funding support and do live stage gameplay he has the support and so why not? Pubs and devs need to do their own thing at the event again. No more doctored bull crap with PR diarrhea trying to sell the game show us with a controller in your hand instead of making empty promises.

Rant over.

Cacabunga1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Lightning

I will never forget the pre-e3 one year where Kojima was teasing MGS Rising.. and Peace Walker.

Such an incredible period where studios enjoyed what they were doing and teasing their work weeks before the event.

Nowadays is half baked games, cross gen titles, useless mid gen upgrades. There is no hype anymore.
Last great show I remember is the PS EXPERIENCE maybe 3 or 4 years ago in December

gleepot32m ago

Maybe it's because Keighley sucks and never puts on good showcases.

isarai4h ago

Is it just me or is there little to no buzz or marketing leading up to this compared to previous SGF?

monkey60229m ago

Because they've been consistently boring for the last couple of years. Hard to get worked up for it now

bRuud831h ago

Where is Sony? Still no news about the next Playstation showcase.

VR21h ago

It'll be June sometimes no doubt, I'm guessing the Saturday 10th the day after Xbox showcase or maybe sometime the following week

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[Exclusive] Xbox Reaches Agreement With Batman: Arkham Trilogy Creators For A New AAA Game

Ex-Rocksteady directors' Hundred Star is collaborating with Xbox Game Studios Publishing for its first-ever AAA game.

Lightning779h ago(Edited 9h ago)

Highly doubt it'll be an actual Batman game that IP belongs to WB Games along with other DC property.

They're making an action adventure game. IMO I think it needs to be another Marvel game despite MS already have Blade as that action Marvel game. Dead Pool? Punisher?

Realistically it'll probably be a new IP entirely.

The_Hooligan8h ago

I agree with you. I think I'll be a brand new IP. Now it could be a superhero themed, kind of like infamous. Speaking of which, Suckerpunch needs to make one after Ghost 2.

neutralgamer19928h ago

would love a infamous collection for ps5/pc

Lightning777h ago

I definitely think it'll be super hero themed game 100%. Something MS needs in their portfolio.

ThinkThink5h ago

Please, no more super hero games.

PhillyDonJawn5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Dead Pool or Punisher would be amazing!!!
Don't tease me like that man lol. I see them making a new IP that's like an arkham knight clone

Dirty_Lemons1h ago

I loved the old Punisher game back in the day. Those executions never got old.

porkChop16m ago

I don't think it needs to be Marvel. It needs to be a totally new IP. That's what Rocksteady should have done after Arkham City. They've pigeonholed themselves as DC devs.

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MIDGETonSTILTS178h ago(Edited 8h ago)

I hope these devs needed support to start/finish (like Stalker 2), vs are basically done with the game but wanted to secure an exclusivity-bonus because they know Xbox needs a system seller (like Titanfall).

It’s a bit strange that they’d rather invest in this game than Tangoworks’ TWO canceled projects; or just trust a single dev from their existing massive stable of talent to emerge with a system-seller themselves anytime soon.

Either way, it is just cool that we’ll likely get a new IP from the geniuses behind the Arkham Trilogy. I wonder how creative they’ll get now that they aren’t married to an established franchise.

darthv728h ago

This is about the former co-founders of Rocksteady and their new studio. So naturally it makes people think its Batman related with the way its worded, even though its not.

-Foxtrot7h ago

Exclusive? Sure

This year alone Microsoft has changed their plans so much with Xbox regarding multiplatform releases as they step closer to just being a full blown third party publisher and it's only been 4-5 months, imagine where we'll be once this game is finished. It will be a completely different landscape.

ThinkThink5h ago

I don't think MS will ever go completely full 3rd party with all of their games. I can see them looking towards expanding their own mobile store and moving into Mac as ways of expanding. I'm sure ms will bring more exclusives over to ps and nintendo, but I don't think it'll be as many games as you think it will. I hope I'm wrong.

Lightning774h ago

The ever contradictions thoughts and actions of MS definitely says otherwise MS changed up so much on the past 6 months of the year I lost count.

Though I'm more declined to believe they also won't go full 3rd party also.

But.

This year they're having Renaissance a super bowl of gaming with Gamepass this year. BO6, older ABK games, Avowed, Indy and other 3rd party exclusives all to grow and expand gamepass. If these games don't grow the service or grow only a little bit. Then you can fully expect MS to hit the red button and put everything everywhere. Satya will have full Xbox take over doing what he wants from that point on next year.

It's up to Xbox to advertise these games and gamepass in the next 6 months or so get the word out.

Profchaos4h ago

The more the news evolves the more I'm inclined to believe we will see MS embrace full third party status but not call it third party in their word soup ways.

It will be Xbox everywhere plays best on a Xbox.

Next gen Xbox is rumoured to be a reference design similar to the 3d0 where any company can make and sell it.

If you're offloading hardware costs to a third party yet still profiting from the games then you've cut out losses on the hardware you still have a store front that users can use and still make a 30 percent cut on that.

Your games sell for a profit on PS and Nintendo platforms and on Xbox reference hardware along with PC

You lose .kney on DLC and games sold on a competitor storefront they are seemingly already comfortable with this.

The ms bean counters are coming for the ROI that was promised they don't care if they kill the brand as it stands Xbox was never a profitable business it was always just done for reputation

PhillyDonJawn4h ago

@Lightning the would end the console then. No one would buy Xbox over PS at that point cause now you get both with just a PS. If GP flop for them, Logically, rolling back on GP would be the smarter than to do. No more day 1 title. Less quality titles. They'd lose subs but people would go back to buying the games.

Lightning772h ago

@Philly They could scale back gamepass put Indies only, AAA 1st party games coming 4 to 6 months from release. The thing is MS will have to tell their fans to buy their games again and that's gonna take years and years to condition them to buy games again. MS will lose money from that also. They'll lose out on gamepass revenue, lose out on games sales because their fans don't buy as many games anymore.

I can't see them scaling back or axing gamepass it does make them allot of money, they just want more money from it. They're not gonna condition their fans to start buying games either.

As I said they'll go full 3rd party and yes you ate right, if they do that then there would be no reason to buy the next Xbox. I know j won't be, you better hope the next 6 months they advertise the games and GP there little hearts out because this could be it.

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purple1016h ago

Spawn (as well as master chief) are the only characters I associate with Xbox. Are there more I can’t remember?

rlow16h ago

Gears is another big game one.

purple1016h ago

Yeh big game, do you know the name of the lead character. Or team of lead characters. I don’t

rlow15h ago

Marcus, Dom, Cole Train. And I can’t remember the fourth.

Profchaos4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Also the chick from gears 5 seems to pop up on all their modern advertising I can't remember her name either.

Cars also feature heavily in a Xbox ad it's always master chief front and centre with cars and maybe a gears character hanging around

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