Halo Infinite Delayed To 2021

343 Industries has announced the delay of Halo Infinite.

[Jin_Sakai]

Launching without a heavy hitter is bad and launching in its current state is bad. Regardless it needed to be delayed.

[-Foxtrot]

Gee. I can't imagine why it was delayed

If they released it in that state with so many people stating the obvious before launch the backlash would have been even worse.

[Jin_Sakai]

Them even showing Halo Infinite in its current state was mind boggling. Did they not see the backlash coming?

[-Foxtrot]

Maybe they thought Halo and the hype was enough to quiet the criticism.

The irony about it is if they didn't hype up the event, the beefy specs of the Xbox Series X and so on the backlash against the game probably wouldn't have been as bad.

[RpgSama]

But DF said that it looked like trash because of the time of the day and that the game was in the shade!! Does this mean that what DF said was a lie?!!

Lol, I will never trust anything Alex Battaglia has to say again, he lost all credibility when he excused the game for looking like that by saying that obvious BS.

[UltraNova]

Wise choice. MS made it impossible for 343 to deliver while restricted by last gen consoles with their non-stop "most powerful" campaign. Hopefully 1+ year will be enough to overhaul the graphics engine to meet the high expectations set by MS.

[ABizzel1]

They basically just handed PlayStation the generation...again.

I have mixed feelings about this, because they clearly needed this game at launch, as they have nothing else outside of multiplatform cross-gen 3rd party games. But it's clear the game needed more work, and since they're rumored to be going the Destiny-lite route with the campaign, they clearly needed to make sure they have the content there to support this type of GaaS launch.

I'm kind of surprised they didn't just delay the single-player and launch with Multiplayer.

[bouzebbal]

Good decision.. Those graphics would have killed the franchise for good..

[Mr Pumblechook]

HOLY-MOLY. What exclusive game will be the big draw for Xbox Series X at launch?

[xHeavYx]

My reaction to the news
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[LordoftheCritics]

At least they stopped smoking whatever they were smoking.

Or did they?

[darthv72]

Im not goibg to lie.... this stings, but totally warranted. Id rather a full fleshed out game than a rushed experience that is patched in after the fact.

[SullysCigar]

I mean it just looked SO bad.

This had to happen and I'm sure it's for the better for the game...but for the XSX? That's a different matter entirely, as they just lost the one hope people had of any excitement (assuming they didn't have a PC).

[UltraNova]

ABizzel1,

Now MS has no choice but to wait and undercut Sony, if they want to stand a chance, and by that I mean lose to just 2:1 not 3 or 4:1.

The wait continues...

[morganfell]

"Good decision.. Those graphics would have killed the franchise for good.."

Too late, 343 is going to take care of it even if Bonnie has to choke the Master Chief to death with her own hands. Remember, this was not only HALO Infinite we saw but 343's utterly supercharged game engine. People are overlooking that it wasn't just the demo that fell flat. The world also watched as the entire technology wing of the most powerful and well staffed studio in the MS arsenal blew up on the launch pad.

[CaptainHenry916]

It was going to get bad reviews that's why

[fr0sty]

"Maybe they thought Halo and the hype was enough to quiet the criticism."

Hit the nail on the head. "Slap the halo logo on it, they'd buy it if it was a turd." is their mindset.

[FreeFallFrenzy]

They should have focused primarily on getting it optimized for the XSX, get it out at launch, then work on all the other versions for 2021. Not having the heavy hitter will hurt them at launch, but I'm sure people will still pick up an XSX once it comes out in better form.

[ThinkThink]

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[ThinkThink]

It's pretty clear that the delay was to make sure the game ships with Ray Tracing. Thought it was super weird that they announced it would be coming in a patch separately. That's what you get for trying to rush to a launch date. At least it will be a better game in the end, at least from a visual standpoint. I'm sure Covid didn't make any of this easier.

@Rpg, that's not what Digital Foundry said. They said that the lighting was flat, which it was... because ray tracing wasn't in yet.

[morganfell]

“ They said that the lighting was flat, which it was... because ray tracing wasn't in yet.”

But a next gen game should look better than current gen games without ray tracing. Ray tracing should be a boost, not the foundation. People should stop isolating that quote from digital foundry and look at some of the other things they said about the horrible graphics in that demo. The sort of things that Ray tracing isn’t going to fix.

[Unspoken]

Why would launching without it be bad? The previous consoles launched with barely any titles. 🤣🤣

It's infinitely better they delay for a better product.

[rainslacker]

They knew they had to show Halo. I mean, Sony had Spider-Man AND Horizon....two games which sold bucket loads. One which featured one of the most iconic super heroes of our time, the other a sequel to a much lauded new IP's this gen, which was visually stunning. Oh....and GT7.

MS had already used it's non game play trailer card for Halo, and people were expecting game play because of how they handled the show before. MS backed itself into a corner due to a series of events of their own making. If they didn't show game play, they'd be criticized for it. If they did, they'd be criticized for it. I can only assume they thought the brand recognition and popularity of the series would have people overlook the graphics enough they wouldn't have to deal with it too much. Given how their most loyal fan base has defended all the other crap they've put out this gen, I can see why they might be under the impression they can do whatever they want.

[1Victor]

Microsoft have 3 generation in the gaming industry by now they should have known that holding games at the end of the generation and switching them as release day game while showing gameplay on PC don’t work 🤦🏿

[caddytrek]

I honestly expected them to just shovel it onto gamepass say it's GaaS and call it a day.

[gamer7804]

It was going to be delayed before they even showed it. They were trying to appease critics of the previous show and show gameplay

[sprinterboy]

That'll be like most series X games unfortunatly

[caddytrek]

gamer7804

What?

Oh... you're throwing crap at the wall to see what kind of Microsoft based defense will work... Keep trying, that's too ridiculous.

[moriarty1889]

me too. watch this turn out to be another crackdown 3 with multiple delays and then a subpar final game.

[RauLeCreuset]

@gamer7804

Where did you get that from, and when did you come upon this knowledge? You were all in on making excuses for the showcase build, so it's interesting that you're now stating it was going to be delayed before they showed it and laying blame for what was shown on trying to appease critics.

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[morganfell]

@RauLeCreuset,

The game was in mid-beta. There is nothing they did not know developmentally at the time the demo was shown that suddenly surfaced in the last few weeks except worldwide fan disappointment and criticism. Either they knew it was going to be delayed or they are lying about why it is now delayed. Pick one.

[morganfell]

@ RauLeCreuset,

Addendum- not disagreeing with your takedown of him at all. You are spot on. He is only correct now in the same manner a broken clock is right twice a day. And he is only correct about the delay. That show was not to appease critics.

[Sunny_D]

@RauLeCreuset

This man has the receipts!!!

[SpeedDemon]

@gamer
I don't know about that, did you not see the state of the Master Chief Collection when they realesed it? The game was unplayable for months and it took them several updates to get it running right.

[VariantAEC]

@caddytrek Look at the state of the game... Do you really think no one noticed or did MS entrust demo reviews to the blind? We knew this would likely happen especially considering MS constantly flexing the power of their system. Not they HAVE TO DELIVER when Halo Infinite comes out in 2021 (or 2022).

[The Wood]

Gamer.7804. . . Please take a seat on the naughty step

[ClayRules2012]

Agreed, it needed to be delayed. But man, does this just hurt Microsoft & the XSX’s even more...I genuinely hope the delay helps the team produce better results for the finished game for fans who’re genuinely excited for it. I genuinely mean that. I am not a fan, and was not impressed at all by the demo, but it’s a darn shame that what was shown just looked as lazy as it did.

And gamer7804, where’s your proof of those claims it was going to be delayed before? And they wanted to “appease” critics of the previous show and show gameplay? That’s not how you do it, peroid. If you don’t have something to show, that’s of a respectable standard/quality, you just don’t show it. Nobody expects it to be darn near flawless of course, but nobody expected “THAT” which was sad. With all the talk of how powerful XSX is there’s no reason to have had results that display that. I mean, but again, talent comes into play. But so does the fact that it’s being done on last gen hardware as well, which doesn’t help its case. But regardless, it still shouldn’t have looked that bad.

But Microsoft and whoever the dev team was (343) was it? I’m not sure. Decided to show off gameplay and so many gamers weren’t impressed and millions clearly noticed.

[Marquinho]

👏👏 Hard decision but if they wouldn't be able to deliver an experience up to the series, then it's the best one to make.

It does hurt XSX release window, we'll have to see how it performs, but it's not as if the competition had a big game for console launch. Actually, releasing a "small game" can be double edged in the mid term.

[crazyCoconuts]

Yes, Bravo, Microsoft!

[Sunny_D]

Here comes the spin. Lmao

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

Lmao this is the second time you're talking about the "competition" 🤣

I thought you were a PC gamer that owns both consoles? Sure don't talk like one lol

This news is definitely hurting you more than you let on

[CaptainHenry916]

You crack me up 😁 it hurts don't it

[Christopher]

Yup. Gotta be hard for Sony to only release with a Spider-Man game. Not at all a big game, just the best selling super-hero game of all time.

[rainslacker]

You do realize that Spiderman game is going to push console sales right? It doesn't matter if it's a short game, or just some DLC expansion made into a stand alone game, that's a heavy hitter.

Even Halo wouldn't compete with Spider-Man on the larger market, because everyone knows spider-man, halo is just a gamer thing, whose last release didn't really help the X1 much.

[morganfell]

Sony has at least one if not two more shows to go - one games and one technical teardown. Anyone that thinks they aren't sitting on an announcement is dreaming. They want a bomb drop for the price reveal and preorder announcement. You can bet one is coming and it isn't Miles Morales.

[RazzerRedux]

lol....stop pretending. I know you live to be obtuse, but it doesn't work.

"👏👏 Hard decision but if they wouldn't be able to deliver an experience up to the series, then it's the best one to make.

It does hurt XSX release window, we'll have to see how it performs, but it's not as if the competition had a big game for console launch. Actually, releasing a "small game" can be double edged in the mid term."

Where was the covid-19 concern there? So much for "Life is more important than videogames" in that post, huh? Nope. Concern for the "experience". Concern for the "XSX release window". Pointing fingers at the "competition" and its "small game".

Covid019? Nope. You didn't express a single thought about it. And then you have the nerve to wag your fingers at those who responded to YOUR points for not being "better". The hypocrisy is amazing.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

@Marquinho

What the F? Are you serious?

The FIRST thing out of your mouth when this news hit was 'welp it's not like the competition has a good launch lineup anyway. Their best title is a 'mini game' it can be a double-edge sword in the short term derpie'

Isn't that an example of being more concerned about the 'football match' than anything else? Why bring up Sony/Spider-man at all if you don't care about the 'football match'? Just say this was a tough yet best decision for MS to make and move on. Why drag and poke at Miles Morales into this at all, unless of course you care about the so called 'football match'.

Now suddenly you want to take the moral high ground, "I'm above this" nonsense. You're not fooling anybody. Nobody replying to you is laughing at this news. They're laughing at YOU for trying to drag Sony/Spider-man down along with it to make it seem as if the delay isn't a big deal. That's beyond pathetic.

[Father__Merrin]

I wonder how DF spin this? First they said game is ok it's just the gameplay was in the shade of a mountain area I wonder how they "cover up"

[The Wood]

It's just exposed their frailties. To be fair they didn't hype it but they should of definitely said it was closer to last gen then next gen

[Christopher]

DF were the ones that said Microsoft should delay it, though. I'm confused by people here only hearing bits and pieces and not them saying this exact thing.

[medman]

After seeing the reveal in July, they should delay it until 2022....it's horrific. Better yet, give it the Scalebound treatment and be done with it. Garbage and trash. But so may so called gamers were claiming it looked great and they were so excited for it....typical. Stupid is as stupid does.

[Bathyj]

Holy fkn sht. Honestly I almost feel bad for them. But then I remember they would have tried to pass this off as a finished game if not for the backlash.

Even at $1 a month that's not good enough. It's not good enough for your fans and it's not good enough for Halo and it's certainly not good enough to compete with PlayStation.

Get your crap together Microsoft and if your games aren't ready you should delay your console as well. On the plus side if you're late to market you can undercut Sonys price like you so desperately want to

I'm a little stunned that they actually delayed it. This is such a huge blow. And I can't see a month or two making that big of a difference. They've had 5 years and got to this point full stop and they expect people for this game for 10 years? I'm believing the rumours about the development hell. Its only thing that make sense

[morganfell]

Early 2021? No. So it will not be a few months. Likely around the old E3 time frame so look for June. They can undercut Sony's price...right as Sony starts really showing some heavy hitters coming in 2021. And that is the issue. MS is going to be perpetually behind the 8 ball. I am guessing we will see those big titles as well as PSVR2 next year. The hits will just keep coming. In addition that fanbase that was on the fence for this fall...not on the fence anymore.

[TheScotsman]

Game over M$

[Petebloodyonion]

@Morganfell

"But a next gen game should look better than current gen games without ray tracing. Ray tracing should be a boost, not the foundation."

Please can you name 1 PC game that have more polygons compared to the Vanilla Ps4 version.
or Simply 1 PC games that has more polygons on Ultra setting compared to low settings

Microsoft has stated several times that games would functions like PC gaming where X1 would equal low setting and Serie X = max settings.
So again name the 1 PC game that had more enemies on Ultra settings, etc..

[Christopher]

What a fallacy to make it about just polygons and not texture quality, AA, lighting, shadow quality, and tons more. You know, all those sliders people have on PC that go from low quality to ultra quality? Or did I miss the "number of polygons" slider in my PC games?

[rainslacker]

The thing about settings, is what those settings do is entirely up to the developer. If that was MS standard for max settings, then PC gamers are not going to be all that eager to buy or praise their games.

Come on now....you know if Sony had shown something of that visual quality, you'd be all over it saying how bad it looked. I can't take any Xbox fan seriously who participated in the trashing of Sony's games this gen only to say there was nothing wrong with the look of Halo.

I also can't believe that the xbox fan base is so naieve as to believe that RayTracing alone would fix the graphics issues. That just says to me that any one who believes that really shouldn't be taken seriously when they try to talk about anything technical, because they obviously have no clue what they're talking about.

Now, to name a game. I can't really do that on PC. I don't play enough there. But Days Gone on PS4, which is nowhere close to a PC that can do max settings, had 100X the number of enemies, with better AI, better textures, better animations, and better lighting....all at once., and the graphics in that game were much better than what MS showed.

But hey, at least Halo was 4K/60 right?

To that end, I challenge you to find a PC gamer, who isn't obviously a Xbox fan boy in disguise, say that what MS showed was anywhere close to max settings.

[Petebloodyonion]

I never said that the game was looking next gen or great. It looks like an Xbox1 game and that I agree.
But the game was made initially with the Xbox1 in mind.
Now can I expect better texture, ray tracing, better shadows, etc... Of course but no I expect the game at the end to looks the same game.
And Like I ask Morgan... Please find me the PC game that looks day and night on ultra high settings vs PS4 or Xbox1.

Also MS seems to praise 4K/60 frames sec (It's their choice) but just mentioning that the best PC cards at the moment can't seems to run properly RDR2 at 4K/60 frames with all settings. Were talking 1000$+ cards here
so yeah perhaps the resolution and frame rates was more important to have in the demo compared to texture, shadow lightning.
Here's the gameplay demo in 4k of halo
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Here's the gameplay 4k of RDR2 on 2080 Ti
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[Christopher]

***And Like I ask Morgan... Please find me the PC game that looks day and night on ultra high settings vs PS4 or Xbox1.***

Ignoring the whole it's maybe 1080p30fps on current-gen consoles versus 4k60fps on ultra on PC and you can't truly see that in a video...

Any PC game with real-time ray tracing, DLSS, VRS, MAS, CAS, MVR, mesh shading, and more. Games like Metro Exodus, BFV, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, and more. They look "night and day" unless your definition of that is "not like the same game at all" or something, in that case you should be arguing for Switch graphics here, because I'm fairly certain TW3 on Switch still looks like TW3, but it looks "night and day" from PS4/XBO as well.

[Petebloodyonion]

@ Christopher
" Ignoring the whole it's maybe 1080p30fps on current-gen consoles versus 4k60fps on ultra on PC and you can't truly see that in a video..."

Please explain to me why suddenly this explanation matters when we talk PC game vs Ps4 games but by all god should not be used to explain the graphics of the Serie X?
Nor the Dynamic lightning that uses more computing power like the ppl at Digital Foundry explain?

Like I said I don't agree with Ms choice of 4k/60 frames per second at all cost when even the best graphics card atm are struggling to make it steady.
And even Ps5 Spiderman will have a performance mode ( read less visual) to achieve the 4k/60 frames per second.
https://gadgets.ndtv.com/ga...

And plz remember that my initial post was related to basically someone who said that the game should look way better than a current-gen.
Would you agree that your statement makes Halo (the 4k version) a better-looking game compared to a current Xbox1 game?

[Christopher]

***Please explain to me why suddenly this explanation matters when we talk PC game vs Ps4 games but by all god should not be used to explain the graphics of the Serie X?***

I don't think this is in doubt. It matters.

But...

***And plz remember that my initial post was related to basically someone who said that the game should look way better than a current-gen.***

It should look better. XBO is already doing 4k30fps with games that look great (RDR2). With four times the power and Custom RDNA 2.0 . . . it should look better as well.

[gamer7804]

it is disappointing to see them not hit their date, that said both consoles don't have really any heavy hitters at launch but both will have some great looking games to play like cyberpunk, ac, etc. and halo will hopefully be a knockout game in 2021 which is still coming up quickly.

[IRetrouk]

Just stop lol, Spiderman is 100% a heavy hitter, the first one broke records for goodness sake, the second one will shift ps5s, like it or not.

[gamer7804]

@/iretrouk to me it’s not a heavy hitter with regards to being a brand new game. Of course Spider-Man sold really well and a lot of people really liked it. That’s not what I mean, it’s more content but it’s in the same Area with assets from the first game but enhanced for the ps5 with miles story added. You can absolutely be excited for it though

[CaptainObvious878]

I think a few people are missing a major indication of what this bombshell news means.

We all know MS. We know how they run, we know how they operate. We all know how stubborn they are, how they will lie and mislead if they think they can get away with it, how they absolutely HATE losing and will do anything in their power to one up the competition.

They are well aware of how monumentally bad this news is and how it's going to hurt them, sending a shock wave that will last the entire generation.

So for them to delay their only decent launch title and effectively hand Sony another generation win means...

...means that the development of halo must be so much more worse than we think and what the rumours of development hell are saying. If MS had at least a very rough looking GaaS halo that was still playable they would have absolutely still released that at launch with gamepass and saying they would polish it after with free added content and promising to do better in the future, thus appeasing the easily placated xbox fanbase and call it a day. You know it, I know it, MS fans know it.

But halo must be in such, and I mean in SUCH a poor state that even smoke and mirrors MS thought it would hurt them more to release it at launch than delay it.

Just think about that for a second. MS thought it would be better to delay a FLAGSHIP generation LAUNCH title than to release it in the state it's in.

[Donnie81]

Yeah godfall is gonna sell loads of ps3s oh my bad ps5s.

[GaboonViper]

500 million, 5 years, the beast that eats monsters, pathetic.

[Battlestar23]

Good the game didn't look great graphic's wise in the last trailer the games needs a lot more time in the oven a they say.

[ClayRules2012]

Yeah, it really does need more time in the oven. I really do hope the results deliver something great tho for Halo fans in the end who’re genuinely excited for the game.

[rdgneoz3]

And it has been in development since about 2015 when story planning started and in 2018 they released the first footage of it in the Slipspace Engine demo in 2018 ( https://twitter.com/Halo/st... ). They're gonna have to do a lot of crunch time to up the graphics to look like a true next gen game.

[ClayRules2012]

@rdgmeoz3

Indeed, they certainly will. I remember Microsoft going on about how Halo Infinite was going to look so “Next Gen” it was going to blow people away. Unfortunately, it blew minds how bad it looked. Hopefully the extra time will allow them to accomplish just that. Hopefully Microsoft and 343 themselves won’t be speaking on the visuals and will just focus on their work, pour their talent and skills into really making the game shine the way it should’ve at its reveal, and this game can be talked up in a way fans can be genuinely happy about and the team can look on with genuine pride in what they’ve accomplished in extra time they’ve been given. But, we shall see.

[solideagle]

Even 343 admits it needs time. All the naysayers who said no no it looked fine or it's all about gameplay or it was early build etc etc should calm down now.

"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." Miyamoto

Fun: Sony might have to triple down the production now :D

[Bobertt]

I think the problem is they are pushing for it to be cross gen. That is stupid for a flagship title which is supposed to get people to buy your new console. Plus if it's supposed to last 10 years why make it look outdated at launch.

[IRetrouk]

I said from the start cross gen would effect halo and any other game that had to deal with running on old hardware, was told it was all gravy with the sliders🤷‍♂️

[Zodiac]

Good choice. I’m sure it was a very difficult one considering it was a launch title, but I’m glad they’re going to give Halo the work it deserves. Doesn’t bode well for the XBX launch though.

[gamer7804]

Honestly I’d rather them delay it to make it visually better. Cyberpunk is going to be a massive game and take a lot of playtime anyways and it’s out during launch

[nowitzki2004]

Man you guys keep falling for their tricks. What happened to the "it was an earlier build" argument.. Or do we need to keep moving those goalposts?

Ur comments 18 days ago are hilarious.. You were convinced it was an earlier build.

[aconnellan]

“What happened to the “it was an earlier build” argument?”

What tricks?

343 came out and said it wasn’t, not much to be confused about - he thought it was until they said it wasn’t.

It being delayed is good news for everyone (except for the Series X launch, RIP their heavy hitter), even for people were defending it at the time

[RazzerRedux]

"343 came out and said it wasn’t,"

Wait....what? So Greenberg was flat-out lying?

https://wccftech.com/halo-i...

[gamer7804]

@nowitzki. You know two things can be true at once.... it was an earlier build but the approx one month old build (but still the latest working demo hence the discrepancy between greenberg and 343). would still need a lot more work done than one month in addition to the Xbox launch date would give. I said that repeatedly it needs work. Nearly every game has been getting delayed. Why are you so angry that they want more time and try to speak for fans of the series and berate them?

[nowitzki2004]

I am not angry believe me, I have been sitting back for about 10 years and laughing at the shit show.

[gamer7804]

@nowitzki oh okay so you aren’t angry you just like to falsely berate people for your own amusement, gotcha.

[Christopher]

@RazzerRedux:

Is Greenberg's mouth moving?

Yes? He's lying.

No? He's just thinking about lying.

[gamer7804]

@Christopher Greenberg wasn't lying in this instance, both can be true. it was the most recent demo build, but it was a few weeks old. granted there probably wasn't drastic changes in the working dev builds vs the demo build they showed, which is why they are delaying the game.

[rainslacker]

I honestly believe that if it were just visuals, MS would still release the game. But there were other things in the last showing which showed the game wasn't anywhere near ready. The enemy AI alone indicated that. Some extreme game engine issues with the texture pop in are never isolated incidents, and tend to be a core issue that needs to be resolved, and that would effect the entire game.

[morganfell]

"Greenberg wasn't lying in this instance, both can be true. "

No they cannot. And note the date of this post:

https://www.343industries.c...

"But while it’s easy to get carried away about the prospect of playing Halo Infinite, it’s worth taking a minute to think about the enormous work put into this playable preview of Halo Infinite. While this is just a section of the final game, it took a herculean effort to make sure this little corner of our Ringworld was polished and pretty enough for its premiere! The art, lighting, design, environment, graphics, production and engineering teams involved in carving out and curating this little slice, are nervous and excited to show people a glimpse of what we’re building.

There’s a lot to digest in this sneak peek, from gameplay, to gunplay to physics to audio and much, much more, but today we’re going to talk about graphics specifically – the engine, art and technology that brings this latest iteration of Halo to life."

Now read that again

"...it took a herculean effort to make sure this little corner of our Ringworld was polished and pretty enough for its premiere! The art, lighting, design, environment, graphics, production and engineering teams involved in carving out and curating this little slice, are nervous and excited to show people a glimpse of what we’re building."

Polished.

He didn't say this is an old demo build. He said all the teams made sure this was polished...for its premiere. Its absurd the backflips Microsoft supporters will do in order to try and explain away their bald face lying. In the immortal words of Nathan Drake, "You've been played."

[gamer7804]

@morganfell of course that section was polished to the degree it could but it still has to be a working slice and Might not be as up to date as others. All you said was correct but that doesn’t refute at all what I said at all about Greenberg also being truthful there

[morganfell]

What? Did you read your reply? How is the polished piece not as up to date as the rest of the game? This slice should be more up to date.

If Phil didn’t watch this demo multiple times in the weeks before it was shown he is both incompetent and an idiot. Everyone in charge watched this and felt it was good enough. That alone is an indictment.

People act like someone grabbed a file off a computer at the last minute. Multiple levels of the company worked on this, polished it, submitted it, and then the management said this is good enough for our supporters. You know, the richest company in the gaming world? You know how people are always talking about how Microsoft could buy the moon. That company. The fact is the rest of the game should be up to that point but it isn’t. The fact they said they polished this slice means the rest of the game was lagging behind this which means they likely knew going into the show they were looking at a delay. Phil, Bonnie, Greenberg, all of them deceived everyone or at the very least gave a second hand effort. And MS supporters are magically okay with this. Xbox fans should want them gone.

[gamer7804]

@morganfell have you been in software or game development before? This is how it works nearly everywhere, you have lots of different builds, internal, sales, demo, and then customer client builds

[morganfell]

Stop with the subterfuge already. This is why no one can take you seriously and discount everything you say. We are discussing the build that was shown. Period. The demo. Period. End of story. They felt what was shown was good enough. They polished, it, used herculean effort. Said it was ready. Then Goombah Greenberg lies and says it was an old demo. No, no it wasn't. He lied. He knowingly lied or he was talking about something concerning which he was uninformed and therefore incompetent. Pick one, liar or incompetent. Phil approved this demo. He ether said its great or he pushed out a substandard product and did so knowingly. Which is it? Pick one. Nothing changes the fact everyone from the top of Xbox down through the devs saw this demo before hand and said, "That's is good enough for our fans because its polished."

[gamer7804]

@morganfell I’ll take that as an emphatic no that you have no Idea what game development is like let alone software dev. Everything else you said was conjecture or just attacks on the basis of unverified self polling apparently. Unfortunately due to these empasses this conversation is appearing to not go anywhere productive, have a pleasant day.

[morganfell]

To get this out of the way as it does not matter but yes I have been involved. Anyone that has been on the board long enough would have their proof.

There is no conjecture. These are either or situations you refuse to address. They are matters of irrefutable fact and logic. Go ahead and stick your head in the sand. Some people do not mind being deceived. There is no other route. Greenberg lied about it being an old demo, or Greenberg is incompetent or 343 lied when they said they put in Herculean effort to polish it. Which is it?

Phil did not know what he was looking at or did.not care his fans were getting a substandard game. One or the other. Which is it?

There is no conjecture but rather the facts 343 themselves provided. “We polished it” That is not conjecture but rather 343’s words and their position. And you cannot excuse it by tracking off subject by taking a position that is in fact the opposite of reality. Premier game demos are more polished than the rest of the product. 343 themselves SAID SO! They stated they worked on this slice specifically to get it ready. They had to get it above the standards of the rest of the game. So now is 343 lying when they said they polished this slice and all the teams worked on it or is 343 incompetent?

[The Wood]

Dude. You still need to pay for those bounced cheques. Your hypocrisy and spin was clearly highlighted. Take a seat bro and reflect on what you said in the face of those criticising the showcase. You see how shilly you looked?

[Zulu]

Don’t think any of this bodes well for the next generation. Neither console has a big exclusive at launch. Sony have come out and said miles morales is a not a full blown title, maybe delaying the consoles themselves might be the best solution!

[Zodiac]

I don’t know if I would recommend that Sony delay the console, but I agree that neither seems to have an exciting launch.

[monkey602]

Can't have been an easy decision. They needed this but that gameplay reveal was a train wreck for them

[nowitzki2004]

Trainwreck? You can clean up nice after a trainwreck and make it look like it never happened. I dont think they can do that here.

[ClayRules2012]

Yep, you certainly can clean up nice after a “Trainwreck” Nathan Drake did just that after his trainwreck in the Himalayas, boy was that a beautiful Trainwreck tho. I kid, I kid. On a serious note tho, I really hope the team can overcome this, but I really don’t know if they can either. I mean, the extra time is nice, and I genuinely hope they can, I do. For the fans, for themselves and that they can actually put whatever talent they do have into overdrive and really bring something really fantastic looking to fans and that they can be proud of. Only time will really tell tho.

[-Foxtrot]

"including the ongoing COVID-related impacts affecting us all this year"

Yet...if the backlash to the showcase didn't happen, I highly doubt the COVID impact would have been so bad then huh...

[rpvenom]

agreed. it's definitely the backlash they received thus why they had to delay.. which is the right thing to do so all the power to them. xbox players need this game to do well. a lot is riding on this franchise. and not like this is the only title xbox has but i want this to meet the AAA standards this franchise deserves is what i mean.

[Bruh]

I forgot that you're a world class software engineer, please do inform us how CV-19 has not impacted game development good sir

[tinchotin]

The game was going to look like that independently of covid. We have seen better looking games release like tlou2 and ghost of tsushima, and upcoming like Cyberpunk. All of them looked better than halo years before.

[SlothLordPootus]

Oh. I'm sure it has impacted development, but not 2 weeks ago they were saying Halo Infinite would launch with the XSX. You can't tell me that in the last 2 weeks they've all of a sudden realized that COVID has had a big enough impact to delay it to a general "2021" date. Either they knew they would delay it and wanted to extend their Halo launch marketing with a straight lie to their consumers, or they got feedback from viewers and realized they needed to do something about it. It would've been a much better play to say, "We've heard your concerns, and will be taking time to reevaluate and optimize aspects of the game to deliver a product that meets our vision as well as the players' vision for the future of Halo."

[caddytrek]

The claim is that the game has been in development for 5 years with a 500m budget (I don't believe either claim) so what were they doing for all that time and with all that money?

[rainslacker]

Perhaps instead you can inform us how what would have been now at most 5 month delay in production due to Covid somehow means that the game could release at an acceptable state when it needs another year to year and a half of devleopment time, with that 1 to 1-1/2 years being without any serious issues cropping up.

MS sent it's employees home mid march. Many still worked from home, even in their studios. While this isn't the best way to develop a game as it's not as fluid, it doesn't mean all production stopped. Game developers already work remotely with outsourcing as it is, so it's not like the concept is new to them. It does take some setting up and adjustment for those that usually go into the studio, but the workflow is going to be the same....especially since their studios would be using MS products to handle resources....as most companies do actually. testing is the biggest pain.

Covid I'm sure did impact the games development, but it isn't the reason the game was in the state it was in.

It also certainly wasn't something they realized in the past couple weeks after the showcase. If you actually believe that, then you will also have to admit that the higher ups at MS are completely clueless when it comes to the production of games, because it was blatently obvious the game wasn't ready to go, yet they were more than happy to say things were going fine, and do as much damage control as possible to curtail the criticisms.

Covid was the easy and convenient excuse for them to use to cover up troubled, or at least already delayed development. Even assuming this was close to what they had when Covid shut downs started, the time frames don't allow for it being ready for XSX launch.

@Tin

You bring up an good point with GoT. Sony sent it's employees home at the same time as MS. Like within a day or two of each other. With CP, I'm not sure how CDPR was impacted by Covid, as I don't know the situation in Poland, but surely they are outsourcing so their production probably was affected. Most of the industry was affected, yet games are getting released this holiday. I know of some games which have had delayed announcements due to Covid....which is probably why this year seems kind of dry for new game announcements....despite a new generation only months away. Normally at this time, with a new gen coming, we'd be overrun with news, interviews, trailers, and all sorts of other marketing for new games.

[spicelicka]

Does it matter? Either consumer opinion affected the decision which is good, or it was going to happen anyway, or it's a combination of both.

[RgR]

It matters. This is a sign of incompetence.

Either they did not expect the consumer reaction which is unbelievable. Or they did not know they needed a delay a few weeks ago which is also a bad sign.

However...it is good for the game.

[spicelicka]

@RgR

It matters if we know the truth, which we are only guessing at. For all we know, they were planning on delaying it anyway and showed the game the way it was to gauge the consumer reaction to help with the decision. i agree that not expecting that consumer reaction is ridiculous, but I think there is no indication that aside from graphics the game wasn't on track. It's very possible that they're only delaying it to improve graphics, which from their perspective were ok.

Regardless, it's a great thing. I wasn't happy at all with the way the game looked.

[moriarty1889]

agreed.

[Relientk77]

C'mon Foxtrot, you gotta love that classic Microsoft spin.

[The Wood]

sorry. . This is year 5. . .c19 was from the end of year 4. . .343 just ain't bungie

[IRetrouk]

Damn, that's a big blow for the xbox series x launch, good for the game though, it clearly needs more time.

[crazyCoconuts]

What a disaster

[IRetrouk]

The launch is looking kinda bad to be honest, its 100% turned into a wait and see, it's a shame because they actually started so well last year, it really seems like they are playing catch up, and they really shouldnt be by now, they have been in the game long enough.

[Atticus_finch]

I like to call it, Series X of unfortunate events.

[F0XH0UND922]

I see what you did there. Have an agree :]

[CaptainObvious878]

"Series X of unfortunate events"

Dude that is gold!

I'm still laughing!

[TheColbertinator]

No Halo, no Forza, no Gears and no Fable for launch?

Whose console is this?

[caddytrek]

Phil didn't think first party development was important until 2018 so everything for them is years behind.

[nowitzki2004]

Do they even think its important now? Im someone who waits for show and not tell.

[TheColbertinator]

@caddytrek

More time for Xbox gamers to play Flight Simulator.

[caddytrek]

TheColbertinator

Yes and more time to buy paid mods.

[RosweeSon]

Whattt I thought forza was day1 oh dear they really don’t need to rush their console out this year then sorry but if none of your launch games are even ready and your main next generation games are solid 12-18 months out before any possible further delays then they really don’t need a new console this side of March next year 🤷🏻‍♂️😑 ✌🏻😜🤓

[Christopher]

I'm kind of hoping it's this generation that MS moves away from those four with their new acquisitions. Not entirely, but at least get some new names in there that they can be known for with their new studios.

[Eonjay]

I think at this point they realize that they have to.

[Atticus_finch]

I can picture a Ps5 with your name on it.

[TheColbertinator]

PC and Switch for me until the situation changes substantially.

[Atticus_finch]

I can't disagree. Anything but an Xbox.
But I like the best, Ps5 for me.

[RosweeSon]

Netflix

[Shikoku]

I don't think anyone is actually surprised by this.

[IRetrouk]

I knew it needed it, but didnt think ms would have the balls to pull it, it's their biggest launch game, bad news for the series x launch but good news for the game.

[dumahim]

Surely the game needs more time, but I didn't think MS would actually pull the trigger and actually delay it.

[Rousseau888]

Good news time to add more including ray tracing BEFORE launch

[Stanjara]

I knew it!

There's always next year for MSFT

Craigdown Infinite

[caddytrek]

Wait till E3!

[nowitzki2004]

E3 2024 will be HUGE wait and see /s

[RazzerRedux]

XSX launch just got a lot bumpier.

[IRetrouk]

It's a big blow that's for sure, between this and the lack of console footage of games, the launch ain't looking so hot at all, they need to turn this around quick.

[RazzerRedux]

I'm just amazed that it is 2020 and it is only a few months before the start of a new generation and where does Microsoft stand with first party games?

They still suck.* That's where they stand. Sorry, but that is just the truth of it.

* not across the board, but overall.

[IRetrouk]

I agree, not much more needs said really

[rainslacker]

Really? Seems pretty flat to me.

"where does Microsoft stand with first party games"

Where they've stood since Spencer started cancelling games and closing studios. Same place they've been all gen. Where they stand is right in front of everybody, pointing and saying, "Wait until next year".

Xbox fan boys are by far the most patient and optimistic group of gamers I have ever witnessed....unless it's with any company not associated or named MS.

[IRetrouk]

I'm seriously disappointed, honestly thought that this time they really did have their shit in order, but it's just the same old ms, chest beating, shouting I'm the best, all while doing nothing, they started off strong last year with their reveal, but then they had those two terrible shows and now they delay their biggest game by far, add to that no console footage, no big launch games, and all the hype that's turned out to be hot air, it really does not feel ready, almost rushed, and yet we are ment to buy this thing in 3 months? No.

[RazzerRedux]

@IRetrouk

"honestly thought that this time they really did have their shit in order, but it's just the same old ms, chest beating, shouting I'm the best, all while doing nothing"

That is my thing. I've given them the benefit of the doubt and defended their efforts to improve first party but where are the results? Right off the bat with Halo, I got bad vibes with this game as a "platform" bullshit. Maybe they should focus on making a great game first and worry about making Halo a "platform" after that, huh? Or better yet....junk this "platform" bullshit altogether and just make games.

Halo is supposed to be the capstone franchise for Xbox and it is disheartening to see the sad state it is in.

[SamTheGamer]

Knew this would happen.

[sprinterboy]

Best news all day 🤔

[majiebeast]

Playstation is now absolutely gonna demolish xbox with Spider-Man MM. Xbox division is in shambles.

[Mister_Wolf]

It’s an expansion to an overrated game. Pipe down.

[TheProblem]

Call it what you will. Spider-Man is the 2nd biggest selling exclusive in PlayStation history. What he said is right MM will play a big part in PlayStation absolutely trouncing Xbox this holiday

[nowitzki2004]

Its no Crackdown 3 that is for sure.

[ElementX]

@theproblem

Both consoles are going to sell out this holiday like they do at the start of every generation

[jznrpg]

@ElementX Xbox did not sell out last gen at launch. They were everywhere in big stacks . GameStop was telling people who were looking for PS4 get an Xbox instead because we have a bunch of them but we don’t have any PS4s

[RosweeSon]

Compared to nothing for no games yeah I’ll take an expansion for a top AAA Game 🤦🏻‍♂️🤷 🏻‍♂️😂

[ElementX]

https://news.xbox.com/en-us...

https://www.foxbusiness.com...

[NeoGamer232]

@TheProblem
Really it is this generation console launch is just sad.

MS is doing the right thing though. Personally I thought the Halo demo was fine. But, I wasn't looking at buying either console this year. It is really sad that both console launch lineups are nothing to get excited about.

These console vendors are asking gamers to probably pay $500 for a console, yet neither has anything that really can't run on the current generation consoles. MS was a little more upfront and is offering the game on XBO. Sony just decided they won't ship Spider-man MM on PS4 even though it is perfectly capable of doing the game.

I am laughing at fanboys on both sides now. Fanboys psyched because of marketing being brought down to the reality that both launch lineups stink more than standing in a field of pig manure.

[Christopher]

1. Not an expansion.
2. Overrated maybe.
3. You also the forgot it's a sequel to the best selling super-hero game to-date.

[F0XH0UND922]

How long are you going to keep pedaling this bullshit? It's not an expansion and it's not overrated but keep telling yourself that.

[majiebeast]

Still gonna be better then 99% of games made by ms mediocre studios, dont be up set.

[Chunky007]

Lol

[Bruh]

Good, if the delays produce a better product than so be it. I hope they do a Beta before launch, would help to sort out gameplay issues as well

[Father Murder X]

Now there will be no excuses. Phil said months ago that he wasn't tying down the console launch to one game including Halo Infinite.

[criticalkare]

its good that its delayed but MS really just gonna rely on third party games as their launch line up?

[monkey602]

Honestly I dont see the PS5 launching with much more either

[dumahim]

Not much is better than none.

[monkey602]

We know we are getting Spiderman and I hope Ratchet is a launch game too. I figure the next big game will be March and then drip fed over the remainder of the year

[rainslacker]

Spider-Man is a pretty big deal, regardless of what it is. Gotta remember you have to look at the entire market, not just the hardcore gamers....but the hardcore gamers are still going to be influenced by SM:MM. SM was a very popular game this gen, and it's good enough for the hardcore, and the IP is big enough for everyone else.

MS really has nothing of note for their launch. Most console launches of recent gens don't have that huge IP at launch. They have a AAA game, usually rushed, but at least there to kind of show off the hardware, and then some well marketed mid tier title. MS only has some mid-tiers and indie games, and they're available on people's current console. MS has a bunch of Knack and Resogun level titles. Nothing wrong with those, but they aren't the kinds of games that drive sales.

SM:MM even if it isn't a full game, although it is depending on how you classify it, is going to be their AAA showcase game for launch. As of right now, I don't know what their mid-tier offering is, but I suppose BugSnax is one of them.

If Sony says R&C or possibly GT7 are releasing at launch, or very soon after, just drives another nail in the coffin for MS. But, with MS delaying Halo, and not a single big AAA game left for them to market in it's place for soon after launch, or even a year after launch, Sony doesn't have to be in any rush, because they're going to be getting games, and SM:MM is going to drive sales enough to probably demolish XSX this holiday and into next year.

In that vein though, I'm not even sure Halo was enough for MS launch.

[jznrpg]

They relied on third party most of them generation so probably

[sprinterboy]

MS build up to launch has been a train wreck, it's not gonna be a good start for them.
Nobody's talking positive of MS apart from gamepass, everything else surrounding them nxt gen is just negative

[Junghova]

Sure looks like Sony is running away with the race before it starts. MS keep dropping the ball....

[sprinterboy]

At this point it's obvious MS are out of touch with the gamer, they just don't get it?

[aconnellan]

I think they would be more out of touch if they didn’t delay it, the game absolutely isn’t in a state to launch this year

[brandonb21]

so whats the system seller on launch day for the xbox if this is delayed?

[caddytrek]

Who needs next gen games, when you have cross gen and BC...

[waverider]

You can play old games on the New console

[sprinterboy]

You forgot the /S

[Sitdown]

What was the system seller before? According to the "masses", no series X exclusives for 2 years, and this wasn't going to take advantage of the hardware fully to begin with.

[nowitzki2004]

"3rd party is where most of the best games are anyways"

[rainslacker]

Not on PS. At least for me. Most of the best games I've played this gen have been from Sony.

Might be because they make more of the kinds of games I like though, and I'll admit everyone has different tastes. Plus, many third party publishers are chasing after the GaaS stuff more than building their portfolio in big SP AAA games nowadays.

[sinspirit]

Phil Spencer is the system seller.

The only game to be played is the waiting game.

/s... but, not really /s

[rainslacker]

12TFlops, Velocity Engine, RayTracing, and that other thingamabob that no one actually knows what it does, but it is really cool.

Buy the XSX this holiday, and maybe in a year or two, you can actually see what all that stuff does.

More seriously though....while I'm not sure of all the release dates for MS games, does this mean that BugSnax is now better looking than anything that is from MS on launch day?

[TheEnigma313]

This is for the best after they stunk up the joint with the reveal.

[Baza]

So what’s the point of getting Series X this November.. But that game looked so rough during its gameplay reveal. To think it was ready to ship in a few months was asinine

[Sitdown]

I thought people said there was no reason to get a series X to begin with?

[sprinterboy]

There isn't, console wise it'll just be playstation and nintendo after this gen, by the time MS actually have any AAA games most gamers would have just bought a mid range pc with xcloud on it dipping in and out of gamepass which I guess MS want?

[moriarty1889]

I knew it! That poor gameplay on pc showing and bringing in Sperasoft afterwards to ‘help’ was enough to confirm things were not going good. What a mess and setback for the console launch not having this game ready. Good luck.

[TheEnigma313]

The Series X is likely to stumble harder that the Xbone. MS is constantly giving Sony more momentum without even trying.

[nowitzki2004]

MS is helping Sony as much as Sony is helping itself. Never seen someone keep shooting themselves in the foot so much lol.

All we need is Kinect 3.0 reveal and its over.

[sprinterboy]

At this rate Phil will do a worse job than Don if that's even possible.
Tbh the damage control has already been done now and I don't see any playstation 4 gamer wanting to move over, infact it's the opposite, more xbox fans will not give them another chance regardless of £1 gamepass offers and we've already seen hardcore xbox camps over at reddit and other forums saying they've had enough and there moving over too playstation?
That doesn't bode well for MS

[Gamist2dot0]

That's good news. Hope to see great improvements when it's ready for launch. It better not be another Crackdown result.

[zsquaresoff]

The game was in development for 5 years, what were they doing then? This game is now going to release late next year.

[Sunny_D]

Wait is it really late next year? Holy crap. I thought at most early 2021. 😧

[badz149]

there is almost no chance that they will release Halo other than before the holiday season to maximize sales

[pitythefool]

Obviously the correct call, but all the Xbox guys said it was just the lighting, a really old build and the magic ray tracing patch would fix everything.

[badz149]

all those damage controls for nothing. DF have mud on their faces now LOL

[jznrpg]

Well who didn’t see that coming ? It looked bad and if it launched without enough content they would get butchered for it and rightfully so . They have a lot of work ahead of them going off of that last reveal . They need to at least get this game to be above average for their fans but they should be aiming much higher for an excellent game . But what we saw from that trailer I think their original goal wasn’t high enough. All of that backlash may have changed that hopefully for Halo fans .

[KeenBean345]

Both consoles have such a mediocre launch, not sure it's worth buying either at launch currently especially if rumoured price tags are to be believed

[F0XH0UND922]

Speak for yourself. PS will have some great games at launch and there are multiple AAA developers that are ready to show their new games. PS gamers won't have to wait long before heavy hitters start rolling in. That's how it's always been with Sony.

[Charal]

Seems like 100% Spencer gen launch will be even worst than what Mattrick did.
Sad to see again here some comment still finding excuses for him.

[moriarty1889]

I have said Phil is worse than Don. Don made sure xbox had games and was more about the console selling. Phil only cares about subs for gamepass.

[Father__Merrin]

Bad news this is proof it's in development limbo. No halo on launch its all gone wrong for Spencer. I hope gamepass gets people to buy series x

[waverider]

What a blunder from Microsoft. They better Start giving for free the series s and x. All the hype from december is dead on the water. The competition doesnt even need to do nothing. Its Just crazy. The main reason to buy the console Just went out of the window. 5 years in the making. Here is the mic drop that Phil spencer talked about. And how he felt good after the ps5 event. Really good work. Just wait till...

[mastaleep]

The best thing is you can play games from last four generations on a new console. What more do you want?

[waverider]

just wrote that... They should delay the console launch. Now we understand why all games are running on PC. They are so behind that is scary. All the CGI trailers. The huge lack of gameplay. The X20 event canceled. Train wreck at full speed.

[F0XH0UND922]

You forgot the /s

[CaptainObvious878]

ummm... New next gen games....

Or did you forget the /s tag?

[Sitdown]

I thought there was no reason to buy a series X... Because people said you could just go pc or gave on the Xbox one.

[AnotherGamer]

Yeah, I saw this one coming. Now the Xbox Series X really has no killer app to be launched in November. Yikes.

[Sitdown]

Quickly starting to feel like Crackdown 3.

[Destiny1080]

The game needs to be cancelled and 343 disbanded and moved over to bugsnax

What a disaster, xbox launching with no games, not that halo 360 would make much of a difference

[WillyC009]

The game looked awful. They’d have been nuts to release it in its current state. Although, this makes all those Xbox apologists and defenders look even worse. Seems like some really productive 5 years of development & hundreds of millions of dollars well spent.

Keep up the good fight guys! Enjoy this next gen Crackdown 3 when it eventually drops.

[spambot0815]

man... that tiktok deal gonna be expensive if ya saving up already, right microsoft? just be careful that you don't pull a wirecard, will ya? ;-)

[Wrex369]

I was hyped man... This kinds hits hard..

[CaptainObvious878]

insert *consoling pepe meme*

[Tedakin]

Total disaster.

[jbull]

Brave choice but right decision. Clear the game is not ready and needs extra development time.

[jznrpg]

I don’t believe they had a choice . If they released it looking like it is currently they would get killed a second time but worse

[Magog]

Xbox is toast

[Kekewei]

Good for halo， bad for xsx

[MasterCornholio]

Do not be upset. Hopefully the game will be better as a result of this delay.

[akbennyewu]

I cannot see a single reason to jump out and get the SX when it comes out right now. This is coming from a massive xbox fan. I will buy a console with one showcase title to hold me over until the wave of optimized titles comes in, but to ask me to buy a console to play games that will have no perceivable upgrade other than possibly loading times???

A complete disaster of a move, compounded by the missed opportunity to get out in front of this and declare the delay before showing the Halo showcase which so evidently displayed the need to be delayed.

Bad moves, following bad moves, and I am supposed to be excited for it?

[CaptainObvious878]

This right here is why MS are in serious trouble.

When xbox fans are getting angry you know you've screwed up big time.

[Gr1mmyshadows]

Good. Im still getting an Xbox but glad they delayed it.

[Relientk77]

Not surprised at all. It needed to be delayed.

[FullmetalRoyale]

Well I hope that they tighten it up for all of Xbox fans out there. I think the pickups scattered on the map was a good thing for multiplayer. I know if it were a marquee title on my console of choice, I would want it delayed for a better day one experience.
I think that we have all bought a game day one and been burned in the past. This is a wise decision.

[akurtz]

WOOOOOW

[Amphion]

Great for Halo but a terrible business move for MS if they are trying to get out of the blocks fast.

[Elda]

Not surprising at all after the showcase last month. The game is probably not releasing until holiday 2021.

[anast]

It's hard to believe they won't have Halo ready, but it's for the best.

[Profchaos]

And DF tried to say they just had to fix the lightning there was horrible pop in all over the place it looked bland and was an absolute joke of a reveal. Seriously I was a fan of their stuff but they lost a lot of credibility that day and those trips to Redmond to get hands on with the hardware of the Xsx make total sense now. They have an absolute bias to ms they get invited to visit and play with the latest hardware they are super critical of God of war zooming in non stop to look at imperfections while gears 5 gets one zoom in on an ear and they are totally wrong about it.

[elazz]

I noticed that too. They lost credibility when they were trying to defend Halo Infinite which I found surprising. They use a much harsher tone for some other games that looked better.

[Profchaos]

Funny thing is I'm more disappointed at DF than Microsoft it's like finding out that your favourite athlete was doping for years and realising you've been misled I was probably going to enjoy infinite for what it was on launch on PC it was probably a serviceable fps and a decent reason to renew my gamepass sub despite its obvious flaws sorry is normally good in Halo except for 5.

The whole DF thing though It was extremely bizarre I'm a long time viewer of their channel and most of my YouTube recommendations are for their videos I've always enjoyed their DF retro videos in particular and will probably continue to watch the retro content as it's fairly unbiased.

I understand that new YouTube restrictions make monetizing videos hard and the fact that a lot of work goes into their videos I doubt they pull in the income to support the three occasionally four presenters and their families on just vids alone plus give Eurogamer some money on the side.

But it's pretty apparent that since around the launch of the one X they started giving ms special treatment the gears 5 video was a tough watch as great as gears 5 actually was and how much more advanced it was there was still giant jumps back from gears 3 in things like smoke effects and gunfire effects which should have been picked up by DF as werid steps back I did really enjoy 5 but that was from a gameplay band story perspective which is not what DF analyse.

I don't like to throw things like this out especially as a long term fan but I feel they are certainly on the payroll of ms ever since the one X was released and the Halo video was damage control for ms

[LoveSpuds]

Probably the right move, but I honestly don't understand how the more diehard Xbox fans can continue to make excuses, the last 10 years have been absolutely piss poor from Microsoft.

[Father__Merrin]

I think Spencer has them in his grip so basically it's been poor all generation yet because of Spencer they are following him in everything.

If Spencer said new fable is going to be online card game n4g users will follow him

[DazaMc]

The covid cloud strikes again! So why is ANYBODY buying an Xbox now? The new share button? The AA batteries? The same games as last gen? They're really fecked now, might as well delay the console launch as well.

[jcole97]

It needed to be delayed. That reveal was ridiculous.

[RamRod88]

It sucks not having the game ready for launch, but it would be much worse if they launched with a broken Halo game. Absolutely right call.

[badz149]

the did with the MCC and still got away with it massively in the reviews.

[RamRod88]

I would not say they got away from it. If MCC didn't launch in the broken state it was, easily a 90+ meta game. Halo 2 anniversary and the campaigns being in a playable state saved it from getting bad reviews across the board. 343i can't launch with another game missing features and having any large technical
issues at launch.

[badz149]

@RamRod

they did get away with it.

https://www.metacritic.com/...

compare THAT to the backlash received by Driveclub, it's not even close. while DC solved it's online issues and updated the game to include weather as they promised all in the 1 month after release, MCC was broken for many many months after.

the technical issue with MCC is still persistent as shown by their drip-feeding release on PC 6 years later. it's like 343i is really showing their incompetence in a huge way and the state of Infinite at the moment kinda exposing it even further.

Halo 5 was 5 years ago. The way they have been hyping Infinite since last year considering its 5 years development and the supposedly 500mil budget only to come down to the July 23rd reveal and now THIS? maybe they should take a page from Intel in how to deal with incompetency. after their 7nm process delay, head were flying up there and huge restructure are taking places. maybe its time for MS to do the same too with 343i. for comparison, the Coalition have been thriving this gen and put 343i to shame. both studios were built to carry on legacy franchises for xbox but only 1 is doing their job while the other is bleeding the company money.

and remember their Halo TV series announcement? another cricket...SMH!

[leejohnson222]

Not a surprise after that showing, who is running quality control over there

[leemo19]

Good luck in November MS without AAA exclusive game. If they think what they've shown so far will help with selling their new console at launch, clearly still not understanding the console business. New console need exclusives its the main reason to buy one. Exclusive show more of what the console can do than any indie or multi-platform game can.

[BenRC01]

Dead.

[medman]

343=Trash.
I heard Craig was the problem. I also heard Craig is now the lead developer. Brutes do it best. At least that's what Craig says.

[zarbor]

Shocking, looks like MS and 343i finally did something right. Think about this for a second how bad MS is at getting exclusives done. I'm sure the folks at Bungie are shaking their heads. How many years they have been working on this game. Then to release it in its current state, show casing it like its a masterpiece. These jokers are out to lunch.

They seem to have brought back in Sperasoft to help them again. Some thing tells me it will be better but not drastically better than what was shown. Spencer and the over promise crew with the under deliver. No trust in these guys.

[RauLeCreuset]

Yet, time and time again you get people putting the cart before the horse by touting games Xbox has in their pipeline, including titles they don't know so much as the name of being worked on by certain studios, as if acquisitions and unreleased titles prove they've gotten over that hump. It's best to let Xbox prove themselves. We've had 3 generations to learn that lesson.

[caddytrek]

You know they are in serious trouble when the only game they felt ready to show was whatever that Halo demo was. Their games are all 2022 probably 2023 and beyond . Because game development takes 4-5+ years and nothing was started before 2018.

Add on to the fact they have shown zero games on the actual console things don't look good for them.

[Einhander1971]

Don't care to be honest, don't like Halo, and buying PS5 day one anyway.

[Limitedtimestruggle]

In the end, we will get a better game when it finally launches! Sounds like a solid decision!

[BlaqMagiq1]

So in other words MS is launching the Series X with no heavy hitters and are going to give Sony a big early lead yet again? Not surprised. PS5 will sell like hotcakes along with SM Miles Morales. This will be an exact repeat of last gen.

[ajax17]

lol

[RaiderNation]

Its over.

[cell989]

No $%#+ I’m glad they listened to the criticism, graphics and environment were so bland.

[Wotbot]

The best decision, it would have been worse if it had been released in its current graphical form.

How many times was the last of us 2 delayed, it happens to the best studios.

The gameplay looked solid and the games probably finished, just more time for some spit and polish and make it look next gen.

[Atticus_finch]

TLOU2 never looked bad in any of it's previews dating back years before release. But yea delays can happen to the best but 343 ain't one of them.

[Darkborn]

How did I know 500% that either this would happen or it would launch an utter buggy mess that would cause even more harm than delaying it? Lmao nice job good guy phil.

[neomahi]

😂 So Microsoft are for sure not launching with first-party games. This is pathetic Microsoft. You're so inexperienced in the gaming market it's upsetting. Seriously, give up the console market and go back to software. Seriously, this is sad. You're quietly tucking away old promises, your marketing sucks, you've reverted back to old ways, it's really not that different then when Don Mattrick ran things. Phil Spencer's no saint, Xbox is just as terrible today as it's launch, 360 actually did better under Mattrick. How does anyone still have any respect for Microsoft. I get it, competition is good, Microsoft, for now, keeps Sony from getting as complacent but this is sad.

As for 343 Industries, we're smarter than this. This is Microsoft taking a look at how sad the game looked at their showcase and telling 343 they need to put more work into it, that this is the biggest game Xbox has going and their showing was subpar and mediocre, which for 343 Industries is good, actually, because this is their reputation on the line here and they need to do something.

So this is bad news for Microsoft showing how inexperienced they really are. The diehards (Fanboys) will hang on, they don't wanna see defeat either, but your average consumer is going to look at this, know something was already wrong, and bail to PlayStation, they're tired of getting kicked around. But for 343, this is a chance to save face and not lose fan trust by releasing a game that actually looks next gen, although, where the game has made it this far already, it's pretty well set in stone, it's what the game is going to look like unless they scrap it and go back to drawing board with twice the team working on it non-stop to basically develop a brand new game to impress, it's a lofty goal but, that may be what they're going for.

[addictedtochaos]

At this point they should probably delay the console launch.

[gravedigger]

Phil Spencer: No Worry After PS5 Reveal, Feels Good About Xbox Series X Hardware Advantages And Lineup

https://gamingbolt.com/phil...

LOL. How do you feel now, Phil?

"“I honestly think we’re in the best launch lineup position that we’ve ever been on Xbox,” Spencer said.

https://www.polygon.com/int...

Do you still think that, Phil?

[CaptainObvious878]

This is why I'm sick of Phil and the people that keep believing his BS.

So are these two astounding examples proof enough that Phil is just another lying, slimy ms exec, xbox fans? Can we stop calling him the messiah? He's worse than Don at this point.

[GaboonViper]

I can't stand Spencer, and i hate how he caters to that slob fake gamer TimDog and people like him.

#BringBackMattrick

[I_am_Batman]

Those statements made the backlash much bigger than it needed to be. I'll never understand why Phil was hyping up the hardware 'advantages' and their lineup of games before the show, considering what they've shown were a bunch of pre-rendered trailers and some footage running on PC.

We might never find out what went wrong at Xbox Game Studios, but it's clear that there were some development issues with some of their first party lineup (mainly Halo and Forza - it's hard to tell what state the other projects are in right now). Early Adopters usually don't expect a lot of games early on, but it looks like there might be a serious lack of major 1st party titles in the first year of the Series X.

[gravedigger]

Old gen games shouldn’t be the main selling point of a brand new console.

PS5 is way to go. I'm so glad that Jim Ryan said that all Sony Studios are concentrated on games development for PS5. That's a BINGO. Not some cross-gen bullshit

[gravedigger]

Awesome! Can't wait to buy XSX and play 360 games. /s

[DefaultComment]

That's fine, take your time to make this game awsome, it's what people expect and it's what it should deliver.

[Anomander]

Does it really matter how long it gets pushed back? If it makes the improvements it needs then it is worth the time. The question is how far back into 2021 are talking? If it is early 2021 I am not sure how beneficial that will be, but summer that could be better.

Either way both systems are a day 1 purchase. Just put out the Pre-orders already and let's get the show on the road. There are more then enough games to go around to keep me over until Halo releases.

[medman]

Halo: Infinitely delayed.

[chiefJohn117]

DAMMIT!!! SEE WTF YALL DID!!!! 🤬 I'M PISSED OFF RIGHT NOW. All over some stupid nonsense
Please be Jan. Cyber Punk can hold me till then, any later is too long. I swear if this solely have to do about the graphics BS narrative I wanna ____ every single one of you that pushed that narrative

[Christopher]

I don't think Microsoft is going to delay a game (way past January, btw) just because of some online narrative. They've accessed it themselves, brought in more outside help, and made the call to delay because that's what they feel is best.

It sucks you won't get your Halo fix until Q2 2021, but the alternative is a shit game that even Microsoft was unhappy with right now.

[Atticus_finch]

Don't let this news ruin your mood.
I really doubt the delay was simply because of graphics. The gameplay did not look good imo.

[CaptainObvious878]

It might be wrong of me, but I'm having such a great time.

You bring it upon yourself, though, for supporting a company like ms after their long, abysmal track record.

You can end your anger anytime you wanted and choose to buy a ps5 instead, but for some reason you continue to hold onto xbox after all the lies and broken promises.

Just let it go. We'd welcome you with open arms over here on the sony side. Sometimes the grass is greener.

[RgR]

That I actually good new for halo but it also means we were right that the game looked very rough and did not meet expectations.

[chiefJohn117]

MS can kiss that XSX day 1 buy away, screw them. I want being buying anything Xbox exclusive till Halo drop. F'ing release Halo or else they will being getting non of my money

[Atticus_finch]

I would advise that you keep your hopes down, it may not even turn out to be a good game.

[RauLeCreuset]

It's understandable you might feel the delay leaves you no compelling reason to make a Day 1 purchase, but the one time (to my knowledge) you're threatening to boycott Xbox is because they won't release an unfinished game, of all reasons.

[Minute Man 721]

Well this sucks for people waiting on Halo 6

[akaFullMetal]

Man what really happened with Halo behind the scenes? 5 years and a supposedly 500 Million budget and a new slip engine. When they showed the trailer it was really, really rough, not what you would expect at this point, with pop in, and a lifeless world. Glad they saw it was not ready to go but why has this game been handled so bad? 343? Microsoft making demands that the game still be cross gen? WTF?

[MEGANE]

I feel like if Bungie was still with MS I would have picked and x1 along with my ps4, so I skip xbox this gen and I never heard anything good from 343 studios on halo, now this!. I wonder how many xbox fans will go along with the game pass and skip the console at lunch and even maybe indefinitely.

[Wilwon]

Good move for Halo bad for Microsoft.

[Gaming4Life1981]

This sucks but would rather a delay than an incomplete game.

[tontontam0]

Lol the next bomb they're gonna drop is it will no longer be a native 4k game on xbox series x, lol they seriously thought that people will not mind the last gen quality graphics as long as it is native 4k.

[Kaedro]

Please be excited.

[Hitman007]

If only 343i had only shown the two Trailer’s Step inside. Which blew me away watching them building the suit looked amazing WOW plus the musical score they nailed it 💪🏻💪
27995;👍👍Then the Short gameplay teaser looked like a different game altogether compared to the game Demo they played for us. Hope 343i pulls it off the Xbox Series needs a Hero again.

[Good-Smurf]

I wouldn't hold my breath for this,last time they spent almost the whole gen just to release Crackdown 3 and it got delayed at least few times and that wasn't even their AAA game.
And the game turned out to be a barely mediocre game that looked a lot worse than its target shown in 2015.
Now we have a Halo game that needed more time and a delay after 5 years?
That quote by Miyamoto does not applied to every delayed game you know.
Wow just wow.

[derek]

Microsoft has checked of an entire gen, not contributing any noteworthy games to the ethos. You would think this was all in anticipation for hitting the ground running when next gen arrives. Nope. Goes to show you that Microsoft doesn't give crap about games, what they do care about is herding their fans into a service so they can fleece them indefinitely.

[FlavorLav01]

Why launch the new hardware with nothing to justify owning it? It’s the reason I’m not rushing out to buy an 8k tv. There’s not enough native content to make it even worth considering. I wish MS would wait until what they have is ready then come out swinging. PS3 and Nintendo have proven you don’t have to launch at the same time as the other console makers to have a successful generation. Wish MS understood this and wasn’t rushing to meet Sony at the “starting line” empty-handed

[SpineSaw]

Better to delay than release a broken unfinished mess and I think everyone agrees with that. With that said..... Lol! If you look back over the last few years at the First Party games Microsoft has released such as Halo MCC, Sea of Theives, State of Decay2, CrackDown 3 to name a few. All were a total mess on release and some took years to fix... Talking to you Halo MCC! So after seeing the Halo gameplay video of Craig a couple weeks ago and the Halo Infinite news is still a surprise to you then your a blind fanboy and there is no help for you. This would put you in the same place on as Dealer Gaming, Austin Evans, ColtEastwood, Digital Fountry, Rand al Thor 19 to name only a couple. Wait! I don't wanna leave any of these clowns out so I'll add to that list Brad Sams, Rgt 85, Review Tech USA, Zalker 85. This is what happens when you let a used car salesman do someting, anything other than sale used cars. And yes Phil Spencer is nothing more than a used car salesman and someone needs to be fired and, well he be daman man at Xbox and if they don't fire him now he'll run Xbox into the ground.

[waverider]

They are already doing damage control. But there nothing they can do to take Phil spencer from the huge hole he Just put the series x

[WelkinCole]

lol! I remember when TLOU2 as delayed and everyone was worried about it.

Constant articles how it was in trouble etc.

Halo Infinite is delayed and everyone is ok with it. Doubt we would see 100 plus articles about how it is a bad sign.

[SpineSaw]

BREAKING NEWS from Microsoft........... Halo delayed because both Sony and Apple are anti-consumer this is allllll on them it's their fault!

[PlayStation47]

I have an Ideal. Lunch Halo Infinite on Monday, November 15th 2021. The very first Xbox and Halo launch on November 15th 2001. Exactly 20 years later. Phil talk to Jim Ryan over at PlayStation and tell him to launch PlayStation 5 on September 9th 2021. The very first PlayStation launch on September 9th 1995. This will be so excited for both platforms. @everyone I really want Microsoft to be a great contender this generation. Who ever can make this happen in getting this position to Phil Spencer and Jim Ryan. Xbox in 2001 gave me warm feelings because Circuit City was still around.

[glopez]

Good it looked really bad the way it was.

[ChickenOfTheCaveMan]

Then why put the emphasis during the big show like two weeks ago, describing it as a holiday 2020 game, talking how the multiplayer will be free to play, 10 minutes gameplay and all. Even saying 2021 is a bit odd knowing the game looked early dev. Graphics were awful and so was the physic and that weird mspaint grappling hook, and then there was the pop ins. All of that not actually on the system. I don't really know what they were thinking.

[Critic4l_Strik3]

Wait till next E3 then?

[Father__Merrin]

Yes wait till e3 and let's all praise Spencer the savior

[u-bEttA-rUn]

Aaaaaaannnd I knew this was coming...
Smh next the console will get delayed...

🤷

[BLUEKNIFE]

MS as usual, selling smoke to Xbox gamers hyping the new machine to insane levels. And now what you get???, enjoy thousands of OLD games in the new machine...wtf?, is this a joke?.

[Sirk7x]

Called it!

[DaniMacYo]

Haha!

[Saranya]

Thats should be.

[Kubark]

Tbh, that game needs far more time in the oven than even 2021 release would allow. Just embarssing how bad Halo looked.

[SpineSaw]

Well, well Phil Spencer finally got his Mic drop moment and that moment was today!

[nibblo]

Giving more time to finish a game is nearly always a good thing. Wish I could get my bosses to give me more time to finish code...

[Charal]

Problem is that MS track record is really not good on that front either. Crackdown 3 was really bellow any expectations despite being delayed.

I thing that graphics are not the only unfinished parts for Infinite, content may have been very light this year like what Sea of Thieves proposed at launch.

[talocaca]

I mean, the game was clearly not ready to be released.....but what were they thinking when they showed it like that?

Will this game be better in one year? It's hard to know while keeping the Xbox One version.

Microsoft promised to make Halo a launch title....and also that developing for Xbox One wouldn't affect the quality of the game.

It's all a mess. What exactly is making gamers buying their new system this year?

[Artemidorus]

Delay it indefinitely, make some new games for christ sake.

[Atomicjuicer]

Yep, spend that money on other games cos halo should have stayed in the past where it belongs.

[Gamerking82]

Damn . Now there s not a single thing this year I want to play on my Xbox 1x. And absolutely no reason at all to upgrade this year .

[quenomamen]

Hasnt it been in Dev for like 5 years ?

[moriarty1889]

5 years and a 5 hundred million dollar budget. Bonnie Ross needs to go. wtf have they been doing all this time???

[Atomicjuicer]

They didnt even showcase any multiplat advantages.

I want a series x to be honest but they've shown me no games I want. Never loved halo anyway. Xbox do good hardware tho

[Sirk7x]

Next news will be Xbox One version canceled.

[Ninver]

What a turd. Off they go to polish it.

[thesoftware730]

I was looking forward to playing this with my son, even after the showcase video.

Oh well, I hope it translate to a better more polished game because of it. I have tons of back log to play.
1/2 way through Starwars: FO (great game btw)and have to start Control after, Alan wake DLC got me hype lol.

[Rikimaru1977]

well that sux, so what other interesting game they have for release on day one.

[Snipelife15]

Another self inflicted L by microsoft. Same story every gen.

[ooquis]

Digital Foundry looking like idiots for damage controlling this nonsense.

[wirelessdigit]

Seems like COVID is taking everything out, how much more we have to wait.

[Cmoney007]

My biggest problem with MS is the bragging that they continue to do, and they didn't even show gameplay of Medium at their last event. I don't understand these decisions.

[Da12RespectA]

That's a great move. I'd rather have a great game later than a rushed product now.

[Phantom68]

It looked shite anyway

[Jerlemar]

Bummer, but glad they did this. In an ideal world, it would be available at console launch but I'd rather they don't rush it.

[lellkay]

Game looked terrible so this was needed. Just not sure 6 months can be enough to fix it.

[YourMommySpoils]

Don't worry, the game will blow gamers minds, just like Crackdown 3 did.