Sony's Jim Ryan: “We are going to launch PS5 this holiday and we're going to launch globally"

Gameindustrybiz:

"A great deal has happened since we last spoke. Terrible things happening in the world, which puts everything that you and I do into context. You have to measure all this conversation against that."

[Spurg]

Hmmm....this sounds like it's gonna be expensive base on what he said.

[ArchangelMike]

Probably more expensive than what they originally planned, given the current pandemic and lockdown situation.

[b163o1]

If the product justifies its price, I don't have a problem with that...

[morganfell]

Maybe its just words. Or Sony may be employing a tactic and nothing more. If you think it might be expensive and it comes in at midrange you think its cheaper than you expected. Maybe the competition looks at their own price differently.

[Kumakai]

More expensive b/c of the architecture. There’s a reason they shaved off as much of the drive storage as they could. Not even a full tb - b/c the NVMe is expensive. They put all that money into a blazing fast ssd that in the real world end will produce near invisible differences - bc ms employed different techniques to get a similar result and real world applications never get 100% efficiency.

[sampsonon]

smart, so they think people "given the current pandemic and lockdown situation" will have that kind of money? Millions lost their jobs and are lining up for food. Good luck with sales

[b163o1]

@Kumakai

Where are you getting this info about "near invisible differences"? Majority of the Devs have praised Sony's SSD, going as far as calling it a "GameChanger". The only developer who's tried to downplay the SSD is the guys who made the horrible game scorn..

[HumbledManiak]

@kumakai

Here I run into you again, kid, what drivel your posts are. They're not even funny, just sad.

Surprised you didn't compare the new Xbox to the PS1 to show how amazing MS is just like your comment criticising Sony and their handheld consoles by comparing the Vita against the Switch.

[neutralgamer1992]

$499 will be the price for both next gen consoles. Originally I had thought it would be $399 but with everything going on prices went up and both companies can't take $100-200 loss per console sold

[Shikoku]

The xbone series X won't be less than 600$ MS isn't going to eat 200$ per unit at minimum.

[neutralgamer1992]

If they come at that price with no major exclusives than it's over before it even starts

I don't see either company going over $499 no matter how much cost they have to eat and I still think Sony will price ps5 lower than Xbox series x. Rumor has it they won't announce a price till August

[rainslacker]

I think $499 will be tha max for either console, and I think MS may have been planning that as a target as they've been pushing it as a premium console.

I dont know if CV would have affected their manufacturing costs, because that would have been negotiated.

I dont know if any company wants to try for the $599 price point, regardless of losses.

[Npugz7]

More like 599$

[stuna1]

If people go back to 2013, something like this was said along the lines of the PS4's pricing! Then Bombs started falling. Tbh I'm not concerned, because I know i'll be worth it.

[Babadook7]

Jim Ryan; "I think the best way that we can address this is by providing the best possible value proposition that we can. I don't necessarily mean lowest price. Value is a combination of many things."

I think he means it will be cheap vs the capability. A good 'value' that doesn't target Switch pricing directly but offers more capability and targets the value proposition of XSX.

[Sonyslave3]

500 or 600 at best hell if they can charge 600 for ps3 why not the ps5 it way better.

[anonymousfan]

PS3 pricing isn't something anyone should copy and I think Sony would have learned their lesson.

[KeeseToast]

PS3 launch was 14 years ago. Prices change, just look how other electronics have increased since then. 599 today is not the same as it was in 2006

[UnSelf]

Idc what they charge if the formula is high price = high performance

[rainslacker]

I think the manufacturing costs are probably a wash between the consoles due to the variances in hardware. Each has some things that cost more, or less than the other console, with MS cost maybe being a bit more.

If either company went for $600, it would likely be that the other will also stay at that cost, or have the breathing room to have a higher price.

Basically, it's not so much a matter of if a console is priced high, but how its priced relative to the competition, and what each has value wise for that price point.

[Sol4ris]

“”I think $499 will be tha max for either console, and I think MS may have been planning that as a target as they've been pushing it as a premium console. ””

Are you somehow implying that the PS5 is less premium than the XsX? Because for the last few weeks the whole *internet* is shouting the exact opposite.

[Profchaos]

I think manufacturing costs are one small aspect there's thousands of hours poured into engineering the CPU architecture customisation along with the os which would be factored in to a final price Sony have to reclaim that cost over X years

[rainslacker]

@Sol4ris

No, I'm saying that MS is promoting the XSX as a premium console. Almost every time they market it, it's about how it's a premium experience. I put forth no judgement on the validity of that claim for the purpose of this comment.

@Prof

There are, but the way businesses work, they've already spent that money. While in the real world, we do have to consider how much we spent before to ask ourselves if we're actually making money, businesses don't do that in the same way.

A great example is the one billion dollars MS put aside for the RROD thing. They did it all at once, so it would only impact that fiscal year. It caused a dip in the stocks, but subsequent years, they didn't have to report the actual money they spent on it as a line item.

R&D is done in the same way. 3-4 years of spending however millions of dollars were probably earmarked in the year that that actually began, which means it has no effect on the current year.

[Profchaos]

In 2006 PS3 was state of the art and had a blue ray player and custom CPU architecture in the cell processor.
The price of the PS3 wasn't just hardware but the thousands of hours Sony poured into r&d to launch it.

The and CPU in the ps5 isn't anywhere near as complex sure there would still be lots of work involved in customising it but no where to the level of the cell.

But realistically looking at the timelines PS3 was a beast at launch so is the ps5 and so was the ps4.

[EazyC]

The PS3's launch price was the most damage Sony ever did with a console, luckily they recovered massively but that launch was a problem.

[JRH7783]

PS3 launched during the recession... Everything was expensive then...

[ArchangelMike]

Well he's right that the best "value proposition" doesn't mean the lowest price. Reading between the lines (and drawing from previous Sony financial statements), I think Jim is aluding to the fact that the COVID19 pandemic has affected manufacturing prices, cost of components and shipping. So the "value proposition" of still going ahead with launching the PS5 during holiday 2020 has changed for Sony; ergo the price of the console has probably had to be revised upward of what was originally forecast.

I also wonder if he know's something about the price range that MS are planning to release the Series X, and if he is simply pre-empting a lower Series X price point. To be honest though, even if the price of the Series X is slightly less than a PS5, then it's a no brainer for me. The difference in price would have to be significant for me to reconsider.

[Obscure_Observer]

In that case, good luck to Sony to try and sell an underpowered and overpriced console.

Mattrick had the same type of mentality. We all know how things turn out

[-Foxtrot]

If you think the Xbox One awful reveal was just about price then you clearly didn't understand the entire situation

Pretty sure it launched with Kinect aswell which made it more pricey.

[Obscure_Observer]

@-Foxtrot

"Pretty sure it launched with Kinect aswell which made it more pricey."

I know that. You know that. But the average gamer only care about the final price. Same thing with the PS3. At that time, Sony were giving gamers a brand new Blu Ray player almost for free, yet, gamers and media in general only cared about to call it "overpriced".

[Nyxus]

It's not underpowered.

[averagejoe26]

It must be so exhausting being a fanboy of the worst gaming company. You try so, so hard. I pity you.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

"Same thing with the PS3."
And it STILL outsold the 360.
Series X has yet to prove that it will be running games significantly better to warrant a higher price tag.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Nyxus

"It's not underpowered."

It is compared to the Series X.

[neutralgamer1992]

Obsecure

Yeah telling ur customers they can't buy used games, must verify all games every 24 hours, having Kinect which spied on you and being $100 more had nothing to do with it. I am sure telling you customers if they aren't happy buy Xbox 360 had nothing to do with it

Games is what Jim Ryan is saying or did you miss where he said value proposition. So y will bring games only available on ps5 and have a much larger install base to appease to. Gamers who switched from 360 to PS4 and who got hooked on by excellent exclusives would want to play those sequels

Just take Xanax till June 4th and increase dosage after June 4th because next gen business is about to pick up. Ms has been talking since December 2019 about Xbox series x yet Sony in last 2 weeks has garnered more attention and are about to gain momentum

As a long time ps fan I know what power can do because PS3 was more powerful than Xbox 360 but Xbox 360 had games which were only available on Xbox 360

Like mass effect, Bioshock, halo 3, gears, dead rising, lost planet, saints row

These were only available on Xbox 360 so to now think all Xbox games will be made for Xbox one to Xbox series x and PC and people will buy series x you got to be kidding me

You keep your power argument that u make on every article and posts stats of series x. Sony has yet to reveal anything and Xbox fanboys along with Xbox executives are already freaking out going out of their way to give statements

State of play twice and both times Phil and Xbox team couldn't stop talking because they are desperate and are scared yes I said scared because they know what Sony is capable of. A year head start with 360 couldn't save them and that's with PS3 at $599

Next gen starts when we get next gen games which are only possible on next gen consoles and only one company will make such gaming experiences

Nyxus

It's not but on one side is running with that because that's all they have. They have nothing else to stand on besides that argument even though many developers have praised ps5. I trust mark Cerny over Phil Spencer and team Xbox any day of the week. One guy is very well respected and even help recruit kojima to Sony while the other guy has been with Xbox for a long time and has no track record

Well I am wrong he does have a track record of talking a lot without backing up that talk

Phil Spencer was there on Xbox 360, was there at launch of Xbox One, was running the company during Xbox One and now he is launching as the headman Xbox series X. Yet people blame Don matrick who if nothing else atleast got Xbox 360 to succeed while Phil has done nothing this whole generation but talk and talk from both sides

He was against exclusive content and timed exclusive content yet he is the one who is also signing very similar deals. He is so great at his job that he has had this whole Xbox fan base every year he hypes up right till next year wait till next year wait till next year and we are almost to next generation now

he has been talking since December 2019 and in the last 10 to 14 days Sony has done all the talking they needed to

[Spicyram]

1) "In that case, good luck to Sony to try and sell an underpowered and overpriced console."

2) "It's not underpowered."It is compared to the Series X."

At this point it's actually too easy, no point in kicking someone while they are down. You just shoot yourself in the foot. This is a tough time for you, we understand.

[SyntheticForm]

I don't think you know what "underpowered" means - you're just throwing it out to agitate.

The PS5 isn't "underpowered" even when compared to Series X. Underpowered means underpowered and a two teraflop differential doesn't render the PS5 "underpowered."

Keep swinging though.

[rainslacker]

And assuming that scenario comes to pass, when they end up outselling MS, can we finally say that power doesn't matter

Also, under powered and less powerful are not the same thing. You are assuming MS specs are setting the standard, but that isnt the case. In fact, for the first year or two, MS min standard is what it was at the start of this gen.

[neutralgamer1992]

This is why we should be excited for next gen especially ps5 because they are focused on next gen

Question:One way to keep PS4 users engaged would be to make upcoming PS5 games playable on the older machine, just like Microsoft is proposing with its Xbox Series X games being playable on Xbox One. Yet Ryan says that's not something PlayStation is interested in doing.

Answer by him Ryan: "We have always said that we believe in generations. We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features.

"We do believe in generations, and whether it's the DualSense controller, whether it's the 3D audio, whether it's the multiple ways that the SSD can be used... we are thinking that it is time to give the PlayStation community something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5."

[SyntheticForm]

You also don't think anything through - you just fanboy. That often happens with them.

"good luck to Sony to try and sell an underpowered and overpriced console."

Sony are going to absolutely steamroll Microsoft in console sales, and you're wishing 'them' good luck as if they're in any kind of significant underdog position - they're the top dog.

Microsoft carries a much heavier burden in the form of quality first party output. You really think you should be wishing 'Sony' good luck? Let's be intellectually honest about the situation here; the anticipation for Sony's console is palpable for more people. For Microsoft's it's lukewarm, or, no better than alright.

Cut the fanboy stuff, and stop the ridiculous 'gushatory' sentiment over everything Microsoft because it's quite frankly, cheesy. You're never honest when you post - you just like to 'get the Sony guys' and it's really a nutty look.

[thejigisup]

Underpowered?

[Sunny_D]

The only thing underpowered are going to be those new Xbox games being developed along side the last gen Xbox one. Sony’s actually moving forward and actually giving us next gen games. MS is keeping y’all in the past.

[Dragonscale]

Overpriced and underpowered hasn't hurt the switch any. You xbox fanboys are in for another generation of butthurt lol.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Dragonscale

"Overpriced and underpowered hasn't hurt the switch any. You xbox fanboys are in for another generation of butthurt lol."

Really? Look up for butthurt Xbox fanboys on Godfall and Quantum Error Topics. Then, check Scorn related topics and tell again who those butthurt people are.

[Muzikguy]

He may also know that the Series X won't be cheap so they can be ok with going up in price as well.

I personally don't care what the price is. I'm getting a PS5

[ArchangelMike]

I think this may actually closer to the actual situation.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Hardcore gamers made up their mind from the beginning. You and many here on the internet are day one buyers. But higher priced console will always be a hard sell to the long term buyers. Especially if the competition some how under cuts them. Not saying they will, I'm just saying in theory.

[rainslacker]

Realistically, they can look at the parts and make an educated guess what it would cost to make, and Sony and MS are going to be looking at the same metrics on what demand will be at different price points. In the end though, these companies arent usually setting their price in comparison to the competition. They look at what they want to make, and if the market will accept that price.

[rlow1]

True, but if the economies in the world don't pickup then price will become a big factor in what parents and adults will be able to afford. Hell, could benefit the Switch or extend this gen much longer. It's really going to come down to what actually launching this year, early next, and price if the games are similar. But I agree if it's only a fifty-70 dollar difference and with Sony's huge installed base it might work. That said, where the economies of the world are at, is going to play a big part in the early days of the next gen.

[ArchangelMike]

It must be a real balancing act for both Sony and Microsft in terms of how they devide to price their next gen consoles. The world is potentially facing another recession due to COVID. I gues it all comes down to how much of a loss their their willing to take on behalf of their share holders.

[rainslacker]

If it were me, I wouldn't be looking at the short term in terms of the release and how the recession may effect the sales. No matter what, there will be enough people to buy whatever they can make within the launch window, even with a full on global depression.

What would be more problematic is the long term where higher price means that sales would stagnate quicker, and there would be less chance that people would spend as much per user. On top of that, if not enough people are buying enough games, it means publishers are making less games, which means they lose more on the licensing fees, and then of course their cut of digital sales, and all the other things that aren't directly tied to immediate sales of services, hardware, or software.

The unemployment will certainly effect those who may want the console but are not able to, but I don't think that's what these companies are going to be looking at when it comes to deciding the price of their console. When it comes down to it, they may feel that subsidizing costs wouldn't be as profitable for the long term, so they would maybe look at making sure they maximize their revenue in every possible way. They move away from the race to the bottom, and instead, promote the system as a better value. This was evidenced back when the PS3/360 released, when we were in a recession, and there was a lot of talk about how gaming was actually a better way to spend whatever money you had for entertainment due to cost per hour.

[purple101]

Just the controller makes it worth it.

Now, show me the next god of war so we can all sleep easy.

[lelo2play]

I predict 600€.

[EazyC]

Oof, madonne! I am seriously saving a little bit extra from this month just in case. Then again, prob won't be buying a launch edition unless GT7 comes as launch title

[-Foxtrot]

Hopefully it's reasonable but if it's good I don't mind paying a little more

We all thought the PS3 was expensive but now looking back, based on what it could do and what it was (a blu ray play at the time alone was super expensive) it wasn't that bad for what it provided.

[porkChop]

Definitely won't be $400 then. Maybe $500, not sure they'd want to go any higher.

[rainslacker]

Maybe they will come in at $400. Make people think itll be more expensive, then have them happier when $400 is announced, so it makes them think that it's a better value.

Probably too much to hope for though, but I think $500 is the likely target, and probably the safest bet to maintain sales momentum.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

Sounds like $500 to me which I have stated in the past. Both will be $500 I think.

[Zodiac]

It's gonna be expensive. PS4/XBO were safe consoles and those were 400

[EazyC]

True -- this gen was an evolution, not a revolution. Interested to see what kind of leap next gen brings... Conventional logic would suggest the jump will get incrementally smaller, but I guess we'll see.

[AmUnRa]

You forgot an important componant... The SSD, that alone is a BIG leap forward.

[sushimama]

We will see. But I don't really care, PS5 for the win

[BillyG0AT]

The SSD and the fact they had heat issues and had to completely re-design the cooling system (personally, I think that is why we haven't seen the console so far because it possibly would have conflicted with the original design and maybe would have had to have been redesigned) makes me a little weary on the price of the machine.

[NewEnds0186]

I remember rumor saying stuff about heat issue with the PS5 but rumors are not fact.

We have not seen a console because they are following the same path as the PS4 and showed it in june. Literally it is all the same, spec/controller/console and games.

[BillyG0AT]

I do hope that is the case. All kinds of rumors fly around these days so it's hard to keep track

[sushimama]

"the fact they had heat issues and had to completely re-design the cooling system"

Stop talking out your behind. That was a rumor. Not a fact. Anyone can start a BS rumor

[chiefJohn117]

If they launch at $600 and XSX at $500 expect a repeat of 360 vs ps3

[northpaws]

You mean quality exclusives throughout the entire life of PS3 vs RROD nightmare and abandoned for the last two years? That's sound fine to me

[Spicyram]

You get disagrees, but that is what actually happened..

[IRetrouk]

The ps3 outsold the 360 from launch with the higher price, are you saying sony could do it again?

[Sol4ris]

“”outsold the 360 from launch with the higher price, are you saying sony could do it again?””

The more appropriate question should be: Can Sony afford, and are they wiling to accept the kind of loses the PS3 incurred at launch? I think they have learned a valuable lesson about over engineering a console and trying to sell it at higher price than their competitors.

[IRetrouk]

I dont think any console manufacture wants to follow that business model again, atleast not to that extreme, the ps3 was an extreme example though, and not one that really happened before or since.

They managed to price the ps4 right so I dont see them going backwards to be fair, the ps5 could end up pricer and still sell more, based on conceived value, which was my point.

Not really sure what manufacturers cost has to do with sony selling a console at a higher price and still outselling others at a lower one though, regardless of what costs they eat, its irrelevant to the fact that they sold more at a higher price.

Not sure how the costs of the ps3 and its price has anything to do with the ps5s costs and price either tbh🤷‍♂️ but I answered your question as best I could.

[Sol4ris]

“”Not sure how the costs of the ps3 and its price has anything to do with the ps5s costs and price either tbh🤷‍♂️ but I answered your question as best I could.””

It has everything to do with the costs and the price at which Sony will sell the PS5. The PS3 was sold at a significant loss, but in the end the gamble Sony took payed off. My question was if are they willing or afford to attempt it the second time.

[IRetrouk]

Ahh ok following you better now, no I dont think they would attempt it at that magnitude again, it was too much of a loss, they may be able to afford another big loss per console but i dont think they want to, they managed to find a fair balance with the ps4 so I'd say they were just as thoughtful with the ps5. As long as what they are offering is worth it, then it should sell fine.

[chiefJohn117]

They also lost 40+ million customers. So even if ps5 were to outsell it worldwide. Sony won't be happy losing 30 million customers and having Xbox gaining 30 million. 110million sold down to 80+ million would have them upset. You ppl know very little about business especially the console business. You think selling just 1 more than the competition is a win, when that's not the case. MS made way more money off 360 than Sony did off PS3. MS services and games have higher attach rates. Sony need that consoles sold gap to thrive. And repeat of 360vps3 would hurt them badly. They better price ps5 right otherwise they'll flush at least 20 million buy down the toilet and MS would picked them up

[IRetrouk]

Show me the official numbers chief, both profits and games sold, it's ok I'll wait.

They didnt lose customers to anyone lol, you cant compare one gens numbers with the next, it doesnt work like that, every new gen is a reset back to 0..... but you thinking that any lost sales automatically go to microsoft is funny man lol.

"MS services and games have higher attach rates. Sony need that consoles sold gap to thrive. And repeat of 360vps3 would hurt them badly. They better price ps5 right otherwise they'll flush at least 20 million buy down the toilet and MS would picked them up"

All of that👆 is made up wishful thinking.

[rainslacker]

So, a repeat being that ps5 still outsells xbox? Although the repeat would be a much closer race, which isn't a bad thing really

[chiefJohn117]

360 outsold ps3 by 20 million in the #1 gaming market, sold 1 million consoles less world wide while charging $60/yr to 60 million subs, sold 18 million Kinects on top of that and sold way more software. This is after coming off a generation where Sony sold 125+ million consoles and waaaaaay more software than both of the other 2 console makers combined. Trust me Sony was not happy.so yes it is a bad thing. Any business man will take a few million less sold on something you make no profit off of in return for higher attach rates and more subs any day

[rainslacker]

Really? Because the #1 global gaming market is Asia. Most of Asia is an afterthought to MS, and as such, it's barely a consideration to asians.

And 20 million....in the US I assume by your context.? Is that a mistype, or did you just decide to pull a high number out of your ass?

I don't think the subs are going to be a negative factor for either company next gen, and I wasn't really discussing if either company would be happy, but the more implied subject matter that wanted to make it out as if MS blew Sony out of the waster last gen.

[Tross]

Didn't the PS3 also launch a good year after the 360, which had, in that time, built up a lead in its games library? There was more going on than just a price difference. That the PS3 managed to outsell its closest rival anyways, says a lot, and Sony isn't going to give such a lead to MS ever again.

[chiefJohn117]

That definitely played a factor but without question price was it's #1 deterrent. I would know, it was equally the main reason I jump shipped and chose 360 over PS3. After growing up on PS2 and PS1 and hating OGXbox. Other reason was 360 had done such great improvement over things I dislike about OG XB so I would mind buying it and after buying halo on PC I was hooked to the franchise, as well as having more 3rd party support compared to their previous gen

[Sunny_D]

This isn’t 2006. MS has 10 years of not delivering substantial games since they started the Kinect thing and gave up on the 360 in 2010. People think games when they think Playstation now thanks to social media.

[Shikoku]

That's doesn't sound good

[XxINFERNUSxX]

$499 - $549 Probably for either concole. Hell most people spend 2x that much every year for a phone, now that makes no sense. smh.

[Str8Chaos74]

Most phone plans add the price of the phone to your monthly payment so you do not pay it all at once. A phone is a necessity, this is a toy basically.

[Ricegum]

If you treat games consoles as a toy you're definitely doing it wrong. Are TVs toys? Other media boxes? Surely phones are toys too by that logic.

[deadfrag]

I think its pretty obvious by now that the price tag will begin in the $500/500€ upwards!Both system have way more expensive hardware than the PS4 and Pro and Xbox One and X and those system were $400/400€ and more!

[borneFROMblood]

And that was 7 years ago. Tech gets cheaper every year, what was 400$ back then , can still be 400$ today with a new tech. Don't forget , it's mostly Custom built, which lowers the expenses by a mile.And they are not buying parts by a public market price, but a manufacturer price, which is 40% cheaper.

[neutralgamer1992]

Just make awesome must play games and $499 is good price. Demon souls remake and horizon 2 at launch. We may see ratchet and clank at launch too since it's been in development for a while

Show silent Hill that Sony Japan has been working on

Tease something from kojima

We know next Spiderman and God of war are in development

Bring back a fan favorite shooter and reboot it. Rumor has it GG are doing socom

And please do whatever u have to make MGS remake along with the rumor that bluepoint want to remake Jak trilogy into one game and they want to remake legacy of Kain

I am not saying announce everything on June 4th but show some big games and drop atleast one trailers that will freak everyone out (hype wise)

[TeamIcoFan]

Been saying it for awhile now, next gen consoles were unlikely to launch at $399.
This isn't 2005/6 anymore, I'm expecting $499 to be the lowest, though $599 is certainly possible.

[borneFROMblood]

exactly its not 2006 anymore, each year tech gets a rapid drop in prices. And PS5 is fully custom built, which is more of an effort than a price.
As an example, PS3 costed 600, now you can get it for 100.
PS4 costed 400 now you can get it for 200.
449.99$ Would be a great guess

[Destiny1080]

499 and 599 for the Pro model which comes with 2tb of storage

Microsoft will undercut, but by how much

[borneFROMblood]

same price was being predicted for PS4 back in 2013.
But it ended up being 400

PS5 might be 449.99

[Lon3wolf]

499 series x 599 ps5

[ajax17]

Must be that crazy fast SSD

[Deathdeliverer]

Sad to say the tech, exclusives, and history of the PS has solidified its purchase for me already. Price be damned. Microsoft has to get me to believe I won’t get shafted with yet ANOTHER defect that shows up with the console, THEN show they are more about exclusive games on a game console FIRST, and not services and features FIRST.
Simply put, History itself has Microsoft with more to prove. Then gen AFTER the upcoming one may change it all. Sony could screw the pooch, have us go through several units, have faulty power cords, and so on. Microsoft could pump out quality exclusives of every genre and new IPs that push imagination. In that case I’d be day one for the NEXT NEXT box. Good old history though....

[CobraKai]

Uh oh. That’s sounds like the PS3 all over again

[Sunny_D]

There’s no advantage of MS launching a year ahead. People are more excited for PlayStation than they are for Xbox in the times of social media. People also already know Sony will bring the games. MS are going to have to prove it with their studios.

[CobraKai]

I was more thinking that they said that with PS3 and the price was ended up really high. Sure Sony was right in the end with the value of Blu Ray and their exclusive content, but it was a tough pill to choke down at the time.

[TheGamez100]

Bad news for most people I guess. I'll still get it even @$600 with the tech being top notch but obviously everyone hated that price with the ps3. I hope it'd just be $500 like most are predicting.

[Father__Merrin]

my prediction is £499 in the uk or pushing £529. i doubt niether sony or microsoft will accept a -£150 to -£200 loss on each unit

[Sol4ris]

There is no way in hell either console will cost north of £500. In the current economic climate that will tantamount to self sabotage. Sony and MS are smarter than to attempt that.

[SegaSaturn669]

The price doesn't matter to me at all.

[WeAreLegion]

If it's higher than the X, it won't sell. They'd be insane to not at least match it.

[borneFROMblood]

it will get sold out in preorders, hype for ps5 after ps4 being one of the greatest systems ever made, is huge. As well being promised that this jump will be like to PS1. And once we will see games. that shit will be very hard to buy day one.

[Sunny_D]

PS3 was still outselling the 360 within the same time frame despite it being $600. People pay for more expensive things now a days unlike 2006.

[Games1st]

There is limited stock.

[Sol4ris]

Interesting. If the PS5 does indeed end up priced higher than XsX, then reading the mental gymnastics from the people who were expecting, and constantly predicted the XsX to be more expensive, will be hilarious.

As a matter of fact it is already in full flow, in this comments section.

[Sunny_D]

Well being priced higher means MS had to undercut the price and maybe willing to lose a lot on each console sold. Their system is also expensive to produce if it as powerful as Xbox fans want to tell us.

[Sol4ris]

"" Their system is also expensive to produce if it as powerful as Xbox fans want to tell us.""

It is not what Xbox fans want to tell you.
The XsX is the more powerful console, and that it's an undeniable fact!
How MS will price the console, it's but anyone's guess.

[Harkins1721]

Premium consoles for a solid price

[ElementX]

I will pay whatever it costs.

[Profchaos]

In the article he mentions price of game how about Sony start addressing the outrageous price of digital games on PSN in Australia a brand new game in the stores is around 60 to 70 dollars for the standard edition. The PSN digital version is often 99 plus on launch.

For a while Sony was more competitive games like God of war were cheaper. But somewhere along the line it all changed

I've set aside 900 AUD or 600 usd for launch fingers crossed I can get a console and at least a game for that

[Agent75]

Launch price debates, who loves them?!. One of the best examples was the Saturn at £399 with Virtua Fighter. I never owned a 3DO, but apparently, that was £499 at launch, maybe £599. Best console launch price in my life time was the Super NES with 2 controllers and Super Mario World for £149. The PS4 Pro launched at £349, Xbox One X at £429, so it’s easy to work out how much next gen consoles are going to cost. And as we all know, we’ve had a taste of 4K gaming, so you’d be pretty much dumb to get sucked into the hype. The PS5 will sell out at launch if there was no games for it. As with the PS4, Sony will walk it. Give it about 6 months and the moaners will be out moaning about lack of games for both next gen consoles. Same old with these console launches and I’ve been a gamer for 32 years.

[rainslacker]

3DO was actually in the $600-700 range depending on which company you decided to go with. It was basically a PC in a box, but since it was licensed hardware(similar to SteamBox) the companies that made them had to pay the costs involved in manufacturing, as well as the cost to license the specs, then having a profit from the sale of hardware on top of that, because they didn't get the money from games licensed to play on the system. I could never figure out how it made much sense for the hardware makers to want to make them, since the hardware in them was pretty expensive at the time.

[Agent75]

But look at how much people pay for mobile phones. Is £499 tops for a next gen console expensive?.....

[Kumakai]

So it’s going to be expensive and less powerful. Just like the Xbox One was....

They better have some damn good exclusives cuz it’s so far losing on just about everything else: gpu power, cpu clock speed,ram speed, ram bandwidth, storage space and storage solutions to match nvme speeds, game services, cloud streaming, backwards compatibility, forwards compatibility and now price probably.... only thing ps5 has over series x is raw ssd transfer speed, but even there ms has tricks to equalize, including almost double the data compression rates with real-time decompression and a faster bus to allocate memory faster off the ssd.

not saying ms will win next gen, but they sure are acting like they want it more. Sony feels like it’s just relying comfortably on its fan base. More subjective ppl who aren’t hypnotized by that logo reveal might start thinking twice

[Sunny_D]

“not saying ms will win next gen, but they sure are acting like they want it more.”

Only took them 10 years or so to actually make you believe they care. They gave up on the 360 to focus on Kinect. Then the whole shitty Xbox One E3 they had. False promises every E3 of having the best Xbox line up. They bought studios but games haven’t been announced. Who knows if they’ll be good. Sony has PS4 owners grandfathered in and actually providing games that take advantage of the hardware. Even Blizzard’s own dev agrees.

[sampsonon]

Because of what's happening in the world people won't "necessarily" have the money to spend if it's too much. Just telling the truth.

[extermin8or]

I read the interview this is not what he said you need to full context of this quote.

[StormSnooper]

Well, I’m getting one regardless. It sounds like it will be more than Xbox and that’s fine with me.

[Tross]

And I'll happily pay what it's worth. All the more reason to pre-order it so I can pay it off in installments.

[knickstr]

It was estimated to cost around 450-500 dollars to make. My guess is selling it at 500 dollars. Sounds like we may actually get a price reveal next week. Be interesting to see if Microsoft sells theirs at a massive loss to try and undercut Sony.

[Sol4ris]

""Be interesting to see if Microsoft sells theirs at a massive loss to try and undercut Sony.""

What makes you think that?

None of us know how much the XsX or the PS5 will cost to manufacture and which company will incurring the bigger losses.
Sure, we can try and make an (educated) guess. But that is all we have at the moment.

[Petebloodyonion]

I'm sure that Sony will not repeat the mistake of the PS3 and will market the console properly.
Also, the pandemic could work in Sony (and MS) favor has ppl might invest more in gaming and indoor things due to social distancing rules. In that case, early adopters might be willing to fork a bit more than usual for a new console.

[S2Killinit]

Music to my ears

[Artemidorus]

Told to keep an eye out for this time of year.

[SuhreDayton]

sound good

[TommyVercetti88]

PS5 $549,99 white and black versions at launch.

[Yodasfavoritesoda]

Good news! I for one will purchase a ps5 if they show me compelling content in the coming months . Honestly they should have several good games to show seeing how they really haven’t had a marquee title from the first party since Spider-Man. I may save the last of us 2 for the ps5 though

[Psychotica]

That guy looks like he could be related to Gordon Ramsay

[akaFullMetal]

Sony hasn't released a console over 400 for a while with PS4 and the pro. So if pricing is going to rise, I predict 500 then, which I bet the Xbox comes in at too.

[ocelot07]

I think £429/€449/$449

[S2Killinit]

I think $549-599

[S2Killinit]

Some normalcy in this crazy situation we are living in is such a fresh breathe of air!

[Maisay]

I don't care, just give it to me!

[fortnitehack]

Great ! This is really an informative article.

[pornflakes]

In July MS will get their best chance to show people what the XSX will be capable of.
Just show some new games running on XSX and nobody will care about how the normal xone version will look like ( i am sure 720p)

Good exclusives + good price + 12 TFLOPS against 9.2 Tflops (10.2 only in boost mode on highest clock speed) and next gen could be more like 360 vs PS3