Epic Games Store is what PC Gamers Need

Epic Games Store is what PC Gamers Need - For years, the PC gaming market has been dominated by Valve's Steam. All games, from indie to AAA, have been

[Axonometri]

What I need is more damned money!

[iDadio]

What I need is to not have to install 5 to 6 different store apps it’s ludicrous and bloats my PC, not to mention the fact they have different friends lists etc

[Axonometri]

Choices are good. Imagine what you might be saying if you could ONLY buy from that ONE place because there was no OTHER store. Imagine Steam, with no one to compete with. Yeah... unless you can't render what I am implying, trust me, competition is good.

[JackBNimble]

Ya "imagine what you might say if you could only buy from that ONE place "

Well Epic and their dirty exclusive bullshit says hi.

[Wolffenblitz]

Load of shite

[CP_Company]

delusional. go on forums, ask gamers, no one will say that they need or want epic game store.

[tontontam0]

delusional. ask the millions of millions of gamers who would rather play than waste their time like me posting on the internet like this.

In my opinion the number of steamfanboys doesn't even reach 100k, you steamfanboys are delusional.

The truth is majority of pc gamers don't care where they buy their games, If it's out on epic first they buy the game on epic if they don't want to wait.

[CP_Company]

tonton, "you steamfanboys are delusional" , did you just made the same assumption, as the delusional article author, like you pretend to know another man? because in my book, just idiots makes assumptions about another man without knowing him or his opinion.

[KaaF]

Store fanboys cried their ass off when Uplay and Origin were announced, and people who actually buy games ignored them like they should, and these stores are sucessful now. Same is happening for Epic, fanboys crying change nothing.

[Blu3_Berry]

Hmmm I dunno, maybe it's because they are first-party titles so it somewhat makes sense? Completely different when you are buying third-party games for exclusivity.

[Vegamyster]

Uplay is integrated with other stores like Steam or Origin, Origin developed into a solid store that most people have no problem supporting now, Epic's store has none of that right now and will only be supported largely by the community when it's on par with others.

[tontontam0]

These steamfanboy warriors seems to think that they are the majority of PC gaming community.

When in reality they are not as many as they think they are.

[tontontam0]

Most pc gamers are steam users, and most pc gamers will just buy the game on epic if it is not on steam.

Most pc gamers are steam users does not mean most are steamfanboys like you.

Epic ftw so it is ok to be a steamfanboy but not an epicfanboy?

[Hungryalpaca]

Nearly 100 million active users? That seems small to you? Steam is the majority.

Epic has no reason to have anyone cheering for it. You’re obviously just a troll or retarded.

But if you’re cool having 80 million accounts information leaked then go ahead and use epic.

[tontontam0]

Nearly 100 million active users? That seems small to you? Steam is the majority

Steam fanboys really are idiots

Out of 100 million users there are only 100 thousand steamfanboys like you idiots the rest does not care about installing other launchers.

[Petebloodyonion]

Ok, competition is good! noted!
But for the rest, I can only disagree with the article.

It's good because it gives more money to dev.
Well, I remember XBOX1 launch policy about giving companies the ability to block used game selling because they were losing tons of money.
Here I don't see any wins for the consumer.

[anonymousfan]

That comparison is a bit of a stretch... Remove the ability to sell/lend physical games vs what? Forcing gamers to download yet another launcher albeit a mediocre one?

[Petebloodyonion]

1) lack of support for the game (no technical forum).
2) A store that requires always online connection vs not always online.
3) different programming depending on the store thus = more bugs like this one https://www.extremetech.com...

Like I said I don't mind competition and the article would have been better by highlighting the benefit for the consumer like having 2 free games per month.
Giving access to the Unreal4 engine for free thus helping in the creation of more games.
etc.

[TheHateTheyGive]

As long as they keep giving me 2 free games a month its all good with me.

[anonymousfan]

Yesss lol I usually buy all my games on consoles... Since December three games on my PS4 wishlist were given away for free on the Epic Store!! Time to dust off my PC :D

[Hungryalpaca]

Might want to check your credit card.

[TheHateTheyGive]

They dont ask for credit card info. I was a day one beta so it might have changed. They have no paypal or credit card info of mines.

[Blu3_Berry]

No it isn't. You can tell majority of PC gamers hate this Epic exclusivity sh*t for third-party games. If it were first-party then it be fine since it make sense if it were developed in-house, but it's not fine when you are bribing third-party studios for some exclusivity deal. There is no benefit for us, the consumers at all.

The only thing I like about EGS is that they offer a free game every two weeks and that developers get more money. That is something me and others can get behind, but other than that everything else is a steaming pile of dog shite.

[anonymousfan]

I don't have a single issue with the launcher but for those exclusivity deals I can't understand why the devs don't simply release their games for cheaper on the store that gives them a better margin of profit i.e. charge the customers the "steam" fees premium if that's what they want...

[Blu3_Berry]

I agree, it would at least make it a bit more enticing, but very few games have lowered their prices in the EGS. So what's the point of Epic saying this as a positive for us to get games cheaper when hardly any developers do it in the first place.

[2pacalypsenow]

There’s literally nothing wrong with steam.

This doesn’t benefit gamers, it just make it a pain in the ass having to use another launcher and a separate library for games.

[SegaGamer]

I often see people say that Valve have gotten complacent with Steam and that Epic store will wake them up. They never actually say how they have become complacent though. From what I can see, Steam gives me everything I need.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

Someone wake me up when Fortnite loses popularity, and Epic Games can no longer afford to take just a 12% cut from developers, and grow their business and client features at the same time. Once the Fortnite cash runs out, they won't be buying any more exclusive game deals either. Everything Epic is doing right now, is riding completely on Fortnite, and it's hard to believe, since Fortnite is a truly crappy game. When parents get smart and stop buying their kids V-bucks, it's all over for Epic.

[anonymousfan]

I agree Epic could very well collapse after Fortnite but I guess that's the gamble right now i.e. diversify by making money off of other games... We'll see!

[SegaGamer]

So many people keep saying "Steam should lower their cut, it's unfair". I don't necessarily disagree with those people, but they fail to see that this is pretty much the standard cut of the profits in this industry. Epic won't be 12% forever. The Epic store is new, it's only natural that the new store would give devs a greater percentage than the competition, but if Epic continues to grow, then it's highly likely they will increase that percentage.

There is no way Steam are going to lower that percentage just because of Epic. You would need to see a complete change across every platform before they lower it.

[quent]

and Valve knows this, let the loud little spoiled rich brat have his fun buying friends while it lasts, that inheritance is going to dry up sooner or later

[Chaos-Dad]

Epic is Cancer... Anti Gamer, Anti (small) Developer, Anti Choice, Anti Freedom of Art (Adult Games, "Trash" Games).

They give me (Gamer) nothing... I dont have a achievement system, i dont have a Review System, no Modding Workshop, cant share my Screenshots, there are no "Community" Features like Steam. This Store is Trash.

[jeki]

You have all that stuff at Steam, don't you? Just shop there.

[Rachel_Alucard]

Tim already said with all the exclusivity deals and free games they're paying for they expect to be reporting massive losses by the end of the year. Doesn't look like they can sustain this store when not enough people are buying the games. Their fortnite money and UE4 licensing is the only thing keeping them sustained right now.

[Tototot]

Yeah, we need more barebones store with exclusivity deals, yep

[jjb1981]

I can agree that steam needs competition but their platform is at a much higher level. Epic store is horrendous to navigate.

[XxINFERNUSxX]

No, Steam and only Steam all others Torrent. Don't want any more shit on my PC

[XxINFERNUSxX]

Yup you can waste your $$ on other shit stores I only support Steam nothing else. No more Overwatch either, means no more Blizzard battle net shit. But in the end I'm the one with the games and a full pocket of $$

[jeki]

If Valve Corporation paid for exclusives would Steam users close their accounts and boycott the store?

Thoughts and opinions please.

[Rachel_Alucard]

No chance of that ever happening since Valve is against devs signing exclusivity deals and literally provides funding with no strings attached to them to just so they don't need to do it. They can release on Playstation even. But if it happened yes I can see plenty of people being upset at it since Epic most likely is the reason they started doing it.

[jeki]

I mean PC games exclusive to the Steam store, not really Playstation or XBox (I should have been more clear). I thought I read that Steam Early Access titles can not be sold anywhere else, maybe I'm mistaken or that's no longer the case.

Please tell me what you mean by Valve providing funding to developers with no strings attached, what type of funding?

[Rachel_Alucard]

Steam lets you sell your early access games wherever you want. However, you are expected to sell the game the same price on Steam that you do on other sites. There is a line in the documentation that says that Steam early access titles must be available through Steam, this is saying if you have a store page for it, you cannot sell it anywhere else first or before Steam, has to be at the same time. That's why Satisfactory's page was removed after the EGS deal even though other EGS games have stayed up like outerworlds. https://puu.sh/DbBEP/2c36d0...

It's funny too because if you ready the first few parts of the documentation you realize how a lot of EA games don't actually follow at least one of those rules or standards.

As for Valve providing funding http://i.imgur.com/v6DNdZm....

[tochi]

You are missing whole point of the backlash.
If we are quiet about EPIC's anti-competitive practice, Valve, or other stores, eventually would also need to pay to rich publisher's executive to secure exclusivity. That's not what we want to see.
Remember, Valve is a very rich company as well.

We, including actual developers, will not get any benefit form this type of business practice.

[tontontam0]

No chance of that happening because they will have to shell out money and that means they would be earning less than their estimated profit. And the devs will earn more.

They don't want that they dont want the devs to earn more.

[Rachel_Alucard]

"they dont want the devs to earn more."

That's absolute bullshit and can be disproven with a simple google search. https://puu.sh/DbJuQ/b8993d...

The people getting pissed at Valve is the hundreds of indie devs that are part of the 5,000 games released each year. There is too many games for an algorithm and humans to manage and too much competition between the 5K. Customers are way more picky as a result due to the amount of choice they have now. You may think this is bad but consider how other storefronts curate their content. GoG refuses 9/10 indie games and undertale was only added after massive backlash. That's the biggest issue with curated stores, it doesn't matter how much of your life was spent making one game, if the store doesn't like it, you can't sell it. So I'm glad Valve at least gives people the ability to sell when others refuse. If Valve didn't want devs to earn more, comments like this wouldn't exist https://puu.sh/DbJmo/851ea1...

[tontontam0]

Lol after reading your comment I can conclude that.

Steam: Sell it on our store 30/70 split.

Devs: That is too high.

Steam: take it or leave it you have no other choice anyway hahahahahaha.

Still if you have no other choice 30/70 split is ok and at the eyes of the poor developers it is a very generous deal.

[staticall]

«Epic Games Store is what PC Gamers Need» said no sane person ever

[AnubisG]

It's not what PC gamers need, but it's what they deserve.🤣

[riibhu]

In it's current state the epic store is no more than an anti consumer store. Maybe in the future if it comes loaded with feature same as steam or even more then maybe, but in it's current state PC gamers really don't need this.

[tochi]

What a shame. EPIC store is a typical case of anti-competitive practice in business strategy.

First, EPIC never paid money to add a value to the product. Their money is to remove a customer's choice. So existence of EPIC store will not contribute anything to customer satisfaction. EPIC store is inferior in comparison to Steam. If they charge 12% less to customer to compensate the inferior service, I'd accept this as a fair customer service. But they charge the same price, and just saying they are to 'pay more to developer'. I want to explain why this is pathetic excuse in below. The point here is that we get less from the same money by the existence of EPIC's strategy. Of course, the elimination of choice is only way to charge more to less service.

Second, EPIC never pay money to developers who needs money. They only paid to very successful and rich developers. Just give me one example they paid anti-competitive money to poor developer, if you get upset about this point.

Third, EPIC's anti-competitive money as well as 'developer friendly' store revenue never ever reach to developer's pocket. Why? Ironically, those immoral developers spoke themselves that the decisions were purely made by publishers. Additional revenue will end up in publisher's and executives pockets. Actual workers we want to help never get salary increase from the choice.
Ask any developers who took the anti-competitive money if any of their employees get 12 % of raise, or still paying the same salary. Ask this to Randy. If he raised Gearbox's salary other than his.

Lastly, what do you think about effective counter measure to the anti-competitive practice? Improving store front? cut price? assisting game development? No, non of them works because this competition has been fought to buy rich executive's attention not customer nor developer. Steam would need to pay extra money to publisher's executives, if we don't fight against EPIC. That's how anti-competitive practice damage industry in long shot.

[Rachel_Alucard]

They only pay for exclusivity if they know people will buy it. They have crap like Rollercoaster Tycoon world on there which is a PC port of a switch port of a mobile game that has a 57 rating on Metacritic. Quality doesn't mean anything, just revenue. I can see this biting them in the ass if they blew a ton of money on mediocre games they falsely thought people wanted. Like Outer Worlds isn't doing too hot from the previews shown and many other games could potentially hurt them since they went so berserk with money early on thinking it would pay off.

[quent]

We already have a shopping cart thx

[TheColbertinator]

lol we need more features not less. Considering how much wealth EA,other publishers and Valve have accumulated from PC gaming, you'd think we can get treated with a bit more respect.

[Rachel_Alucard]

Epic still has that mindset from the 2000s where everyone is a pirate.

[TheColbertinator]

Great. More big publishers suck in the past.

[TheGamez100]

All this drama happens when I finally got a pc for myself just last month....after thinking I could take a long break from the console wars. This just HAD to happen. Sucks for me since my friends will get bl3 and any other upcoming epic exclusives regardless.

[FanboysKiller]

Opinion: Steam gave PC platform its strength ,uniqueness and durability at times when everyone switching to different platform.

[m2stech]

Forcing games using bribes to migrate into an early access platform that lacks any modern features is not what gamers needed. A competitive platform that has adequate features and provides better game prices for players as they charge devs less is what gamers needed.

[Father__Merrin]

The road map for egs looks amazing can't wait for it to flesh out

[Imortus_san]

Yup good free games.

[ILostMyMind]

Agree. Welcome, EGS. I hope more stores get into this battle.

[rlow1]

I think competition is good and warranted. That said, if I was launching a physical store would I launch it without the basics ??? These devs are becoming the worst.....let's launch and fix it all in the post.....that's the mentality today. Launching half a store....in the physical world you get crushed.....then spending money to lock games in but not have a proper store...... Competition is good as long as you bring something competent to compete with.

[XentaJones]

we just need a platform to play games on someone should create an all in one solution the incorperates all launches programs like uplay into one nice system

[Gatsu]

No we don't.....

[DefaultComment]

Nope, I'm ok with steam thank you.

[rulparra]

no