The Fall of Destiny 2? Why People Are Giving Up on Bungie's Latest Title

Destiny 2 launched to rave reviews, happy customers and near-complete domination of the video-games market. It broke a number of sales records and saw its active player-base hit over 3 million users. The launch was nothing short of massive and Bungie enjoyed great success with its Destiny sequel, but this inflated success appears to short lived.

[woodtock]

oh no.....

[Eonjay]

oh yes!
lol my roommate was up till 2am this morning playing Destiny 2...I wish he would give up on in lol.
but yeah, that tends to happen with every game.There is a dedicated 'base' of players who wont stop.

[NewMonday]

PvP is not fun, caters only to MLG and full sweaty teams

[Eonjay]

Yeah he doesn't play PVP much and unfortunately we only have one disk so we can party PVP or strike.

[UnHoly_One]

NewMonday I disagree with that.

I don't consider myself elite, and have had decent success playing with complete randoms.

Better when I play with a team, but still, none of us are pros by any stretch of the imagination.

[bloop]

Shush Unholy_one. Don't you know you can't claim to be even marginally better than mediocre at any game on here without getting disagreed to death??

[C-H-E-F]

like me on Socom 2 until like ps4 came out lOl

[rdgneoz3]

Yah, PvP was hit hard in Destiny 2. Less modes, can't even queue for the mode you want, 4v4 only, no vehicles, getting matched solo vs a 4 man clan, getting matched in trials against people that have won 7 for the week already. Iron Banner is meaningless as light level doesn't matter and tokens to get a random gear is crap, when you can farm all week and not get the whole iron banner set.

With so many ways to increase your light level, you can easily hit cap and then not have much to do at all besides weeklies to max out random gear to 305. No rare pieces of armor or weapons from specific dungeons any more (not to mention no queuing for specific dungeons), no story daily or daily dungeon, no increased chance for rewards for doing multiple dungeons consecutively, and prestige mode doesn't even increase light level at all.

It's still fun, but Year 2 Destiny had so many more features that were gutted for Destiny 2. Many are just waiting and playing other games till the next DLC drops.

[indysurfn]

This article says there is nothing new. huh how about all games are about the same once you played them through once.

They don't want to admit the negative press about Micro transactions and mostly people not wanting to grind endlessly or pay is hurting the game.

[DillyDilly]

Don't worry Destiny 3 will be announced at E3 2018 & be released in 2020

[nX]

Just like Destiny 1, there's not much to do once you've seen it all.

[InTheZoneAC]

Then play something else if you can't enjoy replaying certain parts

[TFJWM]

That is what people are doing, once there is a big content patch or DLC people will be back.

[rdgneoz3]

@TFJWM They could have easily increased the light cap with prestige leviathan and given people a reason to log back in. Instead, people will wait till the DLC drops to come back.

[yomfweeee]

Just like every game. Once you've seen it all, you can only repeat things.

[Xenophon_York]

Impressive if even one-out-ten player's have gotten all the Legendary weapons and gear and all the trophies already. That would be included in everything. Heck, for that matter I bet one of ten haven't even done that with the first Destiny.

[SillyBastid]

you've never seen it all, all about them loot drops!

[rainslacker]

Isn't this kind of how the first game went? The player base would ebb and flow between release of the game and it's subsequent DLC?

I don't think it's people giving up, I think it's just them moving on until they have reason to return. It's not uncommon for most MMO style titles. Even the biggest MMO's see drop off after the bulk of the content is gotten through. Some do better by giving more incentive to stay invested by offering up lots of grind and limiting how much you can do in a time frame(WOW being a good example), but even it's player base drops off significantly for the couple months before a new expansion releases.

[Prince_TFK]

I'm glad it is failing. This would teach them that single player game triumph over multiplayer full with lootbox and MTs.

[Fist4achin]

Not glad that it is failing, but they would have had another sale from me if it had a single player campaign.

[InTheZoneAC]

It does

[pandehz]

Umm...it does have a campaign last i checked. Unless they removed it for some insane reason after release.

[JeffGUNZ]

It does have a single player campaign which takes 8 hours to run through quickly not doing any side missions or quests.

[Palitera]

Not only it does, but it is quite good tbh...

[InTheZoneAC]

Destiny was built around online. Now that you're aware of that they have a campaign that can be played solo. Not understanding the issue.

I don't bash Overwatch because no single player campaign, I don't bash Skyrim because of no PvP, I don't bash games because they're all not alike

[Prince_TFK]

I don’t hate multiplayer games. I just hate the way that they nickle and dime gamers to the bone with MT and lootbox.

What multiplayer games doesn’t have lootbox or MT you might ask. A good example would be games like Splatoon 2, which has absolutely no MT and lootbox at all and still manage to be one of the best shooters around.

[JeffGUNZ]

@ Kun_ADR

All microtransactions in Destiny 2 are all cosmetic. They do not sell any MT in form of guns or abilities or anything along the line. Also, all MT content can be earned free by just playing the game.

[Fist4achin]

Can it be played offline?

[spartan112g]

Highest selling game of September with DLC on the way which will pick numbers back up is "failing". 😂

[Rude-ro]

Highest selling game of 2017 so far... not just September

[kevnb]

how so, single player games have the exact same problem lol.

[InTheZoneAC]

Your argument is completely invalid. The only Mt are cosmetic, all of which can be earned by playing the game.

[frostypants]

I mean they already sold a buttload...it's not failing them financially.

[Parasyte]

Because they took everything that was good about Destiny 1 by the end of the game's life cycle and threw it away in order to "start fresh." Yet they have made the same mistakes as they did with the initial release of the first game. Granted the story is miles better than Destiny 1's initial story, but the game is still lacking in end game content. You CAN NOT release a game like this, an MMO-style FPS, and only have one raid, five strikes, and a bunch of other meaningless stuff along with a very shallow loot pool and expect people to stick around.

[spartan112g]

They expect people to stick around. They have said Time and time again that they want people to leave and come back for events and DLC drops. People act like they want you to only play their game all of the time.

[PapaBop]

But there is no incentive to coming back for events as they are just redoing the same stuff you got tired on in the first place just with a fresh shiny new loot table RNG will screw you over with. Made worse by the fact that neither weapons nor armour really feel powerful in the game this time so there is even less motivation to return.

[spicelicka]

Well that's not reassuring considering how much of a rip off their DLC is. The first few DLCs were bare minimum content charged at a premium. Then they had Taken king, locking players out and charging as much as full game. The combined cost of the DLC was more than the fucking game itself.

[InTheZoneAC]

There was more wrong with D1 once WotM released. I'm glad D2 broke from the downward trend.

[InTheZoneAC]

Why are people questioning what to do? Either play the things you like in game or move on. I play PvP a lot, try to raid at least once a week, including trials. Do strikes or patrol if that's your thing. Why does this game need an article after people put over 100+ hours into it? Grind for planet/moon specific gear. LFG raids and nightfalls since only 15% or so have done the raid, yet all these articles make it sound like 100% have beaten the raid 20 times over.

Yesterday was the first time I played ps4 without logging into D2, doesn't mean it's dead or there's a problem.

[Seraphim]

because level 160 strikes are so much fun. As is the fact there's not specific loot for strikes. They needed more content plain and simple. But just as important they needed an additional strike playlist w/ a higher difficulty for end game. Ok, you can argue Nightfall but what is the point of continuously running Nightfall all week? There is none. Which brings the point, they really should have had 2 Strike playlists, 1 low for those leveling up and 1 high for those who are up in level or at cap. At that's just a portion of the problems.

Don't get me wrong. End of the day it's still a fantastic game but it definitely lacks content and incentive.

[Xenophon_York]

Honestly, I got the PS4 Pro glacier Destiny 2 deal on launch day. While not a huge Destiny fan, I do quite enjoy the second one—especially at that smooth sixty frames per second.

Why, then, have I not played it in four weeks?
So. Many. Games.
...
🎮

[InTheZoneAC]

D2 isn't 60fps on console, I have bashed bungie's decision on that matter even though I enjoy the game. And there are tons of games to play, some people just want to complain whenever it's not destiny 100% of the time

[TheGamez100]

Im guessing you cant really tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps lol. Very disappointed its not though, I mean my pc could play the beta at a smooth 60fps and its not even very powerful lol.

[Xenophon_York]

Don't know what to tell you folks—I've played Destiny 2 on both consoles, within seconds of each other, and there is one hundred percent, bet your black (down-voting-for-all-the-wrong -reasons-when-you-could-had-jus t-commented-with-a-correction) souls an increase in frame rate. Now, this was when the game first landed, so I don't know if it still has this increased frame rate.

[JeffGUNZ]

Destiny 2 is not 60 FPS on ANY console, only PC. Bungie didn't say it will be brought in later, they said it is not possible with the tech of PS4 and X1 to keep it running with all the stuff going on. You might be experiencing steadier FPS on PS4 Pro then Xbox One, but those frames are 30 FPS.

[cyx]

You might be playing on a 4k tv with something like tru motion or some feature like that. the game itself is only 30 fps on consoles

[RyanShutup]

Add to that there's no randomized rolls on guns... that made getting the same gun over and over still exciting because you're hoping for that perfect set of perks. The exotics are all trash, cooldowns take way too long, 4v4 multiplayer is not as fun. They basically stripped out all the "fun" from their formula to try and make it viable in competitive settings.

[spartan112g]

The getting rid of random rolls was the best thing Bungie has ever done. They made the game worse.

[RyanShutup]

no way man I disagree 100% everything is so generic now... the game is stale. If i still had a chance at certain god rolls on guns I'd still be playing.

[TheRealHeisenberg]

Bungie made me give up on the D1. No way I was going in for D2.

[InTheZoneAC]

Except D2>D1

[TheRealHeisenberg]

Which still isn't saying much.

[Nineball2112]

D2 is in no way better than D1, except that the there is some sort of story now.

[solderman]

I'd be surprised if they green lit Destiny 3 given the drop in sales figures compared to the first one. The only way I see a Destiny 3 happening is if someone in a suit pitches some kind of new mobile game monetisation scheme to make it seem like a sure winner to executives.

[Parasyte]

Bungie's problem is their internal management. That was the issue with Destiny 1. Bunch of people left, including the guy that owned the rights to the story.

From what I have been reading, Destiny 2 suffered the same management issues, and they scrapped what they had done already about halfway through Destiny 2's development and started over.

[Italiano1234567]

Ok so im already not playing as much but it did sell more in the 1 month its been out then any game sold all year...

[Movefasta1993]

Because it is trash.

[Sirk7x]

I enjoyed Destiny 2, it's just that I beat it, including the raid. What else is there to do? The pvp isn't as good as games like Overwatch or Halo 5, so I return to those if I'm feeling online shooters. There are too many games these days to stick with just one. My backlog is already impossible to complete in one lifetime.

[maybelovehate]

Destiny 2 is an event based system and at the moment there aren't any active events.

[Sgt_Slaughter]

Which is still a problem. If they take too long, there's a good possibility a chunk of people will have moved on or if they don't fix the issues people repeatedly bring up, the same thing will happen.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Wasn’t this low key Sony’s Halo Killer by proxy?

The Halo 5 community is still very strong. Destiny 2 is very shallow experience and PvP is a joke.

[Parasyte]

Your argument would actually make sense if this were a Sony exclusive, but it isn't.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

You guys always talking about how Bungie left Xbox, and how Xbox lost the Halo guys, and now has exclusive content on PS4.

[Parasyte]

Spark, Bungie left Microsoft for a good reason. MS was actually treating them pretty badly at the time, and they capped it off by suing them for the rights to the Halo franchise. Bungie ended up getting the last laugh on that for the most part because 343 Industries has largely turned the Halo franchise into mediocre dreck.

The Sony exclusive content deal was all about money. Sony offered them a lot of money for it, and they took it. If MS had done the same, they may have gone with MS on the deal, but they didn't.

That being said, your initial argument doesn't hold water because Destiny is not a Sony exclusive.

[bluefox755]

Coulda fooled me, still a large chunk of my friend's list that plays it constantly.

[JeffGUNZ]

Exactly. This article is based on a small population sample spamming Bungies forums. Destiny 2 has improved MANY of the annoying things in Destiny 1. Sure, it could improve on some areas, but the best part is going on their forums and reading posts of people saying the game has no content or endgame but they already logged 200+ hours into the game in a month and a half. I don't know many $60 games at launch that get people to log in 200+ hours in 6-7 weeks lol.

[Sgt_Slaughter]

Your personal experience =/= how the situation actually is currently

[OldGuyStillGaming]

Let’s go ask Cliffy B what low player count really feels like.

[Mikelarry]

Low blow....😉

[corroios]

There is even less to do then d1. Strikes are crap, less loot, exotics are crap,light lvl means nothing, iron bannner was crap with the loot system , raid is terrible dont even want to do , night fall more crap system, shaders are crap. Must i go on

[JeffGUNZ]

Well Destiny 1 had three years of content in it, so yeah, of course you had more to do. D2 has a significant amount more to do in it then Destiny 1 had when it launched.

[Nineball2112]

Which is a weird way to look at it. D2 is a sequel. It should have built off of what we had at the end of D1, year 3.

[DJStotty]

They need to sort the glitches out on the prestige raid. That is the only thing left to do but bored of attempting just to get bummed off by a glitch

[AnubisG]

I got my moneys worth out of D2 for sure. However, I played D1 a lot more and for a lot longer. I think Bungie took 1 step forward and 3 steps back with the sequel.

[chris235]

overrated online games. how many times do we have to repeat this until they realize people are playing games for a week until it gets boring. the devs of these online messes want us to play this game for what? years? how delusional.

[Codedan]

Because if I grind for 10 hours and don’t get any stronger gear higher than 285 it hasn’t no point.

[InTheZoneAC]

You clearly fail to understand legendary mods and infusing. If you play pve for 10 hours you will surely go up a little. Not to mention you're practically guaranteed to increase after completing weekly events or getting exotics.

[JeffGUNZ]

This. milestones are the only way to get power level gear after 285. The only time grinding regular PvE non-milestone events is to grind for the weapons you want then infuse them.

[Codedan]

I do understand them, and put a lot of time into the game. It is hard to keep playing a game that requires you to come back every week for events just to raise your level rather than playing it. I love grinding games, but they seem to miss the target for me.

[sk8ofmnd]

Failing? Lmao... Devs give no fncks if after 1-4 weeks ppl stop playing destiny 2 when collectively across all platforms (xb1, ps4, pc) the game still sells 5-15 million copies after a period of time spanning 1-6 months... Forget the fact the game is currently sitting at an 85 meta score but most ppl who have played the game claim d2 pretty much improves on every aspect from d1 and generally have great things to say about it with vets and new players alike **which will forever be all anyone could EVER ask for in a sequel**. As far as the waining player base, thats why bungie sporadically release dlc to reel those d2 fatigued players back in.

Most games fail to sell even 1-2 million so should we consider all those games failing too? Sales will ALWAYS be the metric in which we measure success or fail because at the end of the day thats what will be the deciding factor whether we see future installments, dlc, or new ip's from that dev.

[Edito]

The problem i see with games like Destiny is the fact that they didn't design a system that allow you to find people online to play any mode anytime, they have the guided games etc. but it doesn't solve the problem at all so eventually people will go away but that's OK because people move away from everything from time to time nothing lasts forever for everyone... It's still a good game.

[JeffGUNZ]

I am glad they don't. Look at raids. The Leviathan raid requires a full team of 6 working together with mics. You open a raid to matchmaking, you know how many people will join without a mic and ruin it for everyone? It takes two minutes to find a fireteam online, even Bungies companion app has a section just to find fireteams in real time. They are eliminating those people who don't use mics and won't work as a team from ruining the experience.

[Phish]

Trying to ruin the experience for PC players? It launches today on PC - relax and give everyone a chance to enjoy it.

[Gwiz]

Can't they at least release HDR support by now for PS4 Pro?,dafuq they're waiting for?.

[Ittoittosai]

Um its boring and uninteresting after you finish the pretty short uninspired story, the raid items giving no perks, hardmode having little to no change and offering no new items, weapons from Trials can be gotten from the clan members, craptastic loot box items and a ruined PVP experience, and I dont even like PVPand I think D1 was 100 times better, Iron banner being ruined with nothing different or interesting about it. Jeez I wonder why people gave up.

[EatCrow]

Destiny is touted as an mmo shooter.

As an mmo it is extroardinarily lacking in content. Therefore it fails miserably.
Gamers should expect more content from an mmo. Heck even borderlands has more content.

[Kuma]

This article is right on the money. I have played D1 for a long time and D2 since its release. Its just more of the same with better maps. D2 could still survive but it depends on how well the other new releases do. CODWW2 and ACO as well as others could cut into its base.

[Sir_Meowface]

I want more than 4v4 pvp, didnt destiny 1 have 8v8? that was crazy fun.

[Elda]

I will admit I haven't played in a few weeks & that's only because I'm trying to finish my backlog of SP games including some recent ones I bought & it's hard when you're working M to F. Destiny 2 has long legs & I can come back to it at anytime.Oh boy Wolfenstein 2 releases Friday & that's a must buy for me.

[link2Dpast]

Nightfall impossible alone, raid impossible alone, PvP impossible alone. I've reached 290 and damn did it take me awhile to get from 285 to 290. After doing that and I forced myself to hit that number there's absolutely nothing else to do if your a solo player. I'm in a clan where I send invites for quest and people could care less.

PvP should of been revamped, maps were good but modes got old real fast. I personally would of loved a new mode, siege type mode where vechiles are available to use, capture base of opposing type opponents, open map similar to blood gulche from halo, simple base location.

Other modes are hard as nails unless you have 3, I've tried nightfall with 2 only and still hard. Game forces you to team up with no worthy end reward.

This being bungie I'm surprised more of what was halo was taken for the destiny franchise, I see small similarities here and there but there work of halo still blows destiny out the water, especially PvP. I have hope though destiny 3 will take a huge turn and try something different, do love the aura of the world and game but you reach the end fast and there isn't much more

[Xb1ps4]

Solo player here my self at 285... I feel your pain!

[link2Dpast]

Yea , made it to 290 because of an armor I fused and it just worked out. I give no craps anymore for the game which sucks because at first I was so hooked and definitely saw this being a long investment. As a player you get to a point of visiting these worlds for no apparent reason is just idiotic, non stop repartition

[Xb1ps4]

Lol yup had a moment like that with a gun, it just worked out...

But yea that’s how I felt at first too then... well... here we are complaining about the same exact Stuff, I will never buy another destiny game or dlc..

[Blu3_Berry]

People don't want to fall for it the 2nd time. First game was a massive disappointment for many people. Another thing, these last few months are stacked with better games so they are probably saving money for them.

[Duke19]

I fall into the "Enjoyed it enough to get my money's worth (like 60ish hours or so Im guessing), but now its a total grindfest and the PVP isn't that great imo, so im moving on"

[andrewsquall]

The online focused Destiny bubble has popped. Thanks for canceling Star Wars: Uncharted EA.

[Puertorock77]

There is no fall of Destiny 2. Everyone will come back when the new DLC drops. The problem is the longevity to do things is lacking. There is not point in doing the hard more raid, the equipment is redundant, raid gear is useless.

[Enter_Gaming]

I get game rentals for free at my local library and try out all sorts of games. Destiny 2 looks nice and all but the game didn't "wow" me. Same with Titanfall 2. Destiny world just seems bland, not alive. Its hard to explain.

I'm busy with Final Fantasy 15, The Division and Wildlands.

[Yohshida]

The PvP was stripped down instead of expanded. I would have loved some 8v8 games or even Faction vs Faction fights, but this is destiny, go get out your guns and shoot the same enemys you shot at for the past 200h again so your armor gets better, yey.

[Fearmonkey]

I bought Destiny and then got bored and stopped playing it, it turned me off with the wierd non story and the leveling changes. At the time Borderlands: The Presequel came out shortly after and I played that instead and then never went back to Destiny with all its pricey expansions. I figured Destiny 2 would be the same way, glad I didnt get it.

[BadElf]

Because PVP is the only decent thing in the game, it seems. The rest of it is just so damn boring

[CaEsAr-]

Decent? PVP is trash. You see enemies on map before they even approach or fire their guns. Not to mention the whole community use the damned Mida tool.

[GrimDragon]

It’s obvious destiny needs to be bigger. Iam talking huge vast content and secrets. People play this game and chew through it in a few short days. Why? Because it retains an addictive must have feeling when you play. You want that gun, that armor etc. the halo team needs to study how MMO games thrive for years with rich content and carrot on a stick leveling. Most who stopped playing probably maxed leveled. Now waiting for new DLC. every time content drops they all come back.

It is my hope bungie really starts doing their homework on what makes an mmo work. If they don’t and continue to butcher the franchise with sub par content it will be a sad thing to see happen. So much wasted potential. No one should wish this kind of failure or assume bungie doesn’t care. The industry needs strong titles like destiny. If anything we should all be taking bungie up on their offer for feedback and help them build a proper destiny for all.

[lellkay]

Played Destiny 1, didn't like it. Came back after the expansions were added and enjoyed it. I'm hooked on Destiny 2 though, I may be in the minority but I think the content is great and i'm really enjoying PVP.

[TargusX]

I gave up by never buying these games due to lack of decent sp and ai bots.

[Shuckylad]

Needs a good single player campaign

[Ulf]

Because MMO shooters are boring, by nature?

[Xb1ps4]

I find my self playing it simply cause I spent 60$ and want to feel justified...

I’m not a hardcore destiny player and this game caters only to the hardcore, all day every day players... I have my guardian at lvl 285 yet I have still not experienced a raid, leviathan, and even the one in crucible, the large icon at the top middle I forgot the name. I have tried to play the crucible one but it always says not enough players, I have tried to do a raid but the “beta” for seeker(?) never finds other players none of the “betas” have ever worked for me.

I hate how in crucible you can’t pick death match it’s just random game types.. I hate how there is so little to do in the game for a player like my self that doesn’t role deep with a squad, yet the game has no feature for players like me to find other players easily to try leviathan even if we get our ass handed to us..

Then the weapons! It’s tough for me to distinguish what’s really good when the game is designed in a way that all I’m looking for is a higher number..

The game can be great and I do enjoy it at times, even if it’s just fighting the same low end boss over and over or looking for caves or world events, and crucible when it’s not ruined by some capture a section random game mode. Am I asking too much for a simple horde mode or something... that would be nice as I wait for a day to randomly get invited into a raid even if it’s just cause someone feels I just might be worthy enough..

[Chocorocket]

itsl all about anthem...wait for it

[Sm00thNinja]

I have 3 level 290 characters and one day I just woke up and realized.... I'm doing the same thing ... Every day week after week

[glenn1979]

RINSE AND REPEAT

[TheOttomatic91]

Simple once you’ve played all the content the games gets repetitive and boring

[Mkai28]

The fact that this game is so limited early on is one of it's problems.. Once you "complete" the game then its wating for the next DLC.. PVP is a narrow road, it forces you to play one way.. The PC version is not helping, Bungie if you want ppl to get the PC version, make characters transferable from console to PC.. Im not starting over again just for 4K..

[OpenGL]

I personally think the game sucks and isn't worth playing. We like to badmouth EA and Ubisoft for their poor decisions but Destiny is the culmination of everything the gaming community hates. It's always online, has a ridiculously aggressive DLC schedule, and is very content limited.

Glad I got it for free from Nvidia, would hate to have spent money on this.

[Enter_Gaming]

This is what happens when you only give us 25% of the game, and release the rest 75% as paid DLC's.

[Rhythmattic]

Guessing its people escaping the suck.

[Psychotica]

Because mmo’s suck..

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

It's because there's no post game is there? I considering if I ever should pick this up, guess I'll wait for a collection or something.

[Kyizen]

What is this author smoking. It sold a bunch and people played it a ton. You cant say after someone puts 100 hours into a game and then wants to play something else that they A) thinks the game sucks and B) that it is failing. Im at end game and there isnt much to do but I put a ton of hours in and alot of new games just came out or are coming out. I will go back for pvp, events and dive back in for seasons and expansions. You will have new players who get it during holidays. I dont think it is failing at all.

[OffRoadKing]

LOL people will come back they always do, bitching about Destiny is just part of Destiny.

[arbi]

a lot of network problems with routers from Thomson, Alcatel and Technicolor. The majority of people with those routers have Gabbage almost all the time and no fix from Bungie until today.

[roadkillers]

What a stupid time to release an article like this. In a day or two there will be an article on how successful the launch of the PC version was and this will drown.