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Overwatch New LGBT Character Hype

There's a lot of interesting things that's happening in Overwatch lately and the inclusion of a new LGBT character will truly keep all different demographics happy.

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Snookies122754d ago (Edited 2754d ago )

I'm sorry, but one of the last things that comes to my mind when playing a game is my sexual preference. Especially in a shooter... Like, seriously what's the point? Just play the game and have fun, don't see how sexual preference plays any part in that.

deathby72754d ago

You didn't watch the video lol

Rodney252752d ago

Some people care, Overwatch is a huge community and to some (including me) the characters seem like one big family, in that regard; is it the worst thing ever to want to know more about them? If you don't care, thats fine, it doesn't effect you.

FunAndGun2752d ago

Don't see why it matters to you then.

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DragonKnight2752d ago

People who care have deep personal problems that should be addressed via the nearest therapist. All that should matter in a game is anything that benefits the game. The only time sexual orientation should ever matter is if it is being used as a story element or part of character development. Since Overwatch has neither, this is base pandering at its height and I feel sorry for people defending it and asking "why do you care if it doesn't affect you?"

But it does affect all of us because it's showing game developers that they merely have to make the most shallow, cursory efforts to please people with self-esteem issues and identity crises without even trying to make something halfway decent.

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MagicBeanz2752d ago (Edited 2752d ago )

There's absolutely no reason to have this in games, just more pandering to the militant LGBTZPQXRS356NC65 community. Zero plans to buy Overwatch for sure now.

FunAndGun2752d ago (Edited 2752d ago )

There is absolutely no reason to have half naked women in seductive posses in all of gaming either, but you guys support that like feral animals. Just more pandering to horny young men.

Kyosuke_Sanada2752d ago (Edited 2752d ago )

You knows there are women who are also attracted to other scantly clad females so it still panders to both genders...........you sexist. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

DragonKnight2752d ago

Here's the thing though, none of us are asking for scantily clad women in seductive poses to actually be in games. We won't be upset if they are in the game of course, but we didn't ask for it and we aren't starting movements demanding them. What we don't like is the removal of something simply because someone else is offended by it. You do not have the right to not be offended, you do have the right to not purchase a product, and censorship benefits no one in the end.

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MagicBeanz2747d ago

One has nothing to do with the other but kudos for trying to make excuses, even if it was a poor one.

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LastCenturyRob2752d ago

So beyond sick of forced PC in ever aspect of entertainment and media these days!

cyphertech2752d ago

The simple presence of an LGBT character is PC? What does PC mean to you exactly?

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FunAndGun2752d ago (Edited 2752d ago )

Forced PC? Maybe the development team wanted to include gay characters. Maybe some of the development team are gay and wanted to be represented in their own game. Maybe you could protect this creative freedom just like everyone protects the freedom to put half naked women in games.

Every article on N4G that talks about curbing female sexuality in games you guys stand up and say that it is the creative expression of the artist to make the females how they want. Now they want to put a gay character in the game and you cry foul.

Either you support devs making games how they want or you don't. You don't get to pick and choose what is creative freedom and what isn't according to what you feel comfortable with.

DragonKnight2752d ago

@cyphertech: It's not. But it is forced pandering.

@FunAndGun: "Maybe the development team wanted to include gay characters. Maybe some of the development team are gay and wanted to be represented in their own game."

A) Then it would have made it into the game at launch.
B) In a first person Hero shooter with no real story?

"Maybe you could protect this creative freedom just like everyone protects the freedom to put half naked women in games."

And if the fact that any character were gay actually had relevance and some kind of benefit to the game, then everyone would protect that freedom, but I think it's very telling that you always jump to "half naked women" as an argument as if you think anyone actually asks for that or cares beyond fighting against censorship to cater to feels. Your sexual orientation doesn't deserve any more or less representation than anyone else's and your heterosexual shaming tactics are childish.

"Every article on N4G that talks about curbing female sexuality in games you guys stand up and say that it is the creative expression of the artist to make the females how they want. Now they want to put a gay character in the game and you cry foul."

Typical regressive argument, taking only the most surface and insubstantial position possible and pouncing on the attack. Censorship is the issue. Well actually pandering is the issue and censorship is a form of pandering. Curbing sexuality or adding sexual orientation is not an issue for us, it's WHY it happens that is the issue. If a game is originally going to release with a scantily clad lesbian fighting for her right to work as a sex worker, and then pandering forces that to be changed to a heterosexual nun fighting for the virtues of abstinence, then you'll see everyone here fighting against it. Context matters.

"Either you support devs making games how they want or you don't. You don't get to pick and choose what is creative freedom and what isn't according to what you feel comfortable with."

Actually we do when it's clearly obvious that it's not "creative freedom." Overwatch has no real story, no real character interaction, and no real character development. Making a character gay is very clearly pandering because there is literally no other reason to do it other than to pander. It's literally pointless. There is no benefit to the game, no benefit to the non-existent story, and no benefit to the non-existent character development.

Unless you're going to dive into the backstory, no one will ever know (unless heavy stereotypes are used) that ____ character is gay because it will never have an opportunity to come up. You call a complete lack of in-game representation a good example of representation?

Manubiggs2752d ago

I think it is great to have representations of all kinds of people in games. That said , at the end of the day, the most important thing is if the character is fun to play.

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Resident Evil Zero and Code Veronica Remakes are reportedly in the works, not Resident Evil 1

Industry insider Dusk Golem reveals that there is no Resident Evil 1 Remake in the works. Instead, Capcom are reportedly in active development of Resident Evil Zero and Code Veronica.

-Foxtrot1d 12h ago

RE Zero would be better to do first over RE1 because they can tie the story into RE1 more.

The original RE Remake was weird because Rebecca never mentioned anything about what happened in Zero and it felt so disjointed because Zero was developed during the Remake and they clearly didn't share any notes with one another.

Cacabunga10h ago

Wise decision. 2 of my favorites!

Knightofelemia1d 9h ago

Give me Dino Crisis dammit Capcom

TGG_overlord15h ago

And all it took was +24 years + a phone call from me lol.

GotGame8187h ago

LOL! A phone call from you? ROFL! They have been remaking RE games for YEARS! It was a matter of time!

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Metal: Hellsinger dev says he is against Game Pass after seeing how it affects sales

Founder of Metal: Hellsinger studio says he wasn't against Game Pass until their game launched on Microsoft's service, which affected game sales.

TheProfessional20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

Why did PS copy gamepass if it's so terrible and unprofitable? PS Now was before gamepass but it was streaming trash that no one had any interest in.

And honestly the way the industry releases overpriced and broken games with day one season passes and dlc who wouldn't want to just pay for a subscription instead of $70 per game?

Only biased PS fans would defend paying more to a corporation rather than an option that's cheaper for the consumer overall. If it's from an indie studio that needs the sales that's different but games published by larger companies are fine on a subscription model. Also any of these devs who complain did decide to put their games on gamepass in thr first place.

ocelot0719h ago

Ahhh yes the typical but but but Sony in a Microsoft article.

When did Sony copy Microsoft? I havent seen Sony's big day one titles such as God of war Ragnarok or GT7? Do you want to know why they are not on the service? Because people are still willing to PAY for the games. Sony has already admitted they lost millions putting Horizon Forbidden West and Ratchet & Clank on PS+ Extra.

"larger companies are fine on a subscription model" Oh really? So why is all the cod games yet to be on it? Where is elden ring? Resident Evil 4 Remake? Street Fighter 6? Boulders Gate 3? Alan Wake 2? Where are they of gamepass is great and big publishers are fine putting newer games on it?

I'll tell you where they are. They are currently still selling for their respected publisher's. You know actually making them money. That money they can use to fund the next project.

who wouldn't want to just pay for a subscription instead of $70 per game?

I'm one of the millions who much rather pay $70 so fully support the publisher. Why do we do this? Well for starters I rather just pay for it rather than keep renting it each month. If we all just kept renting years ago blockbuster would still be around. Secondly, I rather we have AAA titles in 10 years time to enjoy. Rather than play mobile quality crap from a subscription.

Tell me how this is a good thing for gaming going forward. The last time I subbed to Gamepass was October 2023. During that one month subscription I played the newly released Starfield, Forza and a few other titles. All for the cost of about $7. Since then Microsoft have not released anything I want to try out or put anything on GP I want to try. So they last made $7 from me 8 months ago.

In the last 3 months. I have bought Sea of Thieves on PS5 (earning MS more money on that than my 1 month subscription to gamepass). Resident Evil 4 for £20 and Diablo 4 for £25 (again earning MS more buying this than buying a sub). Tell me how it's best for gaming I pay $7 and play the latest and greatest for a month. Rather than just buying what I want even if it means waiting a few months and getting it cheaper than full price yet earning the publisher more than renting said games of a monthly sub.

darthv7211h ago

...but didn't this game leave GP and then join PS+?

If a sub service is so bad, why get into another one right away?

Cacabunga10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

Finally devs waking up! More will follow .. reminds me of capcom during PS3,360 era almost going bankrupt they released extremely poor games because Xbox gave them paychecks not to release them on PS3 for as period. Sales were terrible and they went away from that.

Hofstaderman18h ago

Sony has never released new titles day one. They experimented with Forbidden West which was fairly new and quickly discovered that it cannabalized sales. XBOX gamepass was always an act of desperation to remain relevant and in their desperation they effectively dug their grave where today everybody is biding their time for their formerly exclusive titles. In a nutshell GamePass made XBOX not relevant.

Plague-Doctor2711h ago

It wasn't desperation. Subscription Models had a very different outlook in 2017 and then with the gaming surge during COVID reaching critical mass seemed more and more possible.

Phil convinced Satya to chase a trend and it hasn't worked out

shinoff21836h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Pretty much. People can say what they want but Ms said it themselves with the court papers. It was definitely desperation. Xbox was getting it handed to them. They were desperate.

lellkay17h ago

Literally dev who put game on gamepass:
It's not good

TheProfessional: but but sony but sony

S2Killinit16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

Sony didnt copy MS. MS copied Sony, then MS went on to make xbox a subscription device. Remember that part? Yeah.

MrNinosan16h ago

You're not too bright, right?

First of all, Sony didn't copy Microsoft regarding PS+ and GamePass, which you admit to early in your comment, but with some faults. PSNow was not only streaming.
The mentality at Xbox gamers, is to NOT buy games, because they are used to get it on GamePass, preferbly day 1 like with all Xbox Studios games.

This is not a thing at PS+ and never was.
Sure there was plenty day 1 games on PS+ like, Rocket League, Stray, Sea of Stars, Tchia, Operation Tango etc, but those didn't take away from gamers that it was more like a "bonus" than a "thing".

Playstation gamers buy games, a lot of games and PS+ has been proving to be way better for business than GamePass, both by actually having more subscribers but also no eating up sales.

dveio16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

"Only biased PS fans would defend paying more to a corporation rather than an option that's cheaper for the consumer overall.“

How can you possibly come to this conclusion?

First, you pay for a subscription.

Then download games. But games will eventually leave the service. You will again need to buy them if you want to play them ever again. Or if you cancel your subscription. Right?

Eventhough this may NOT have an effect on every subscriber, this IS in fact the economical motiviation behind the service like GP.

If you are not already paying "double" this way, you pay at a 1.2 or maybe even at a 1.5 ratio eventually than opposed to simply buying the game in the first place.

As I said, this maybe doesn't apply to every subscriber. But this doesn't erase the fact of this business model existing. And possibly keep growing.

It's driving me nuts at times that especially the die hard Xboxers seem not to understand what they are actually cheering for foolishly.

The Wood15h ago

xbots always tryna group...

..they'll never understand or refuse to acknowledge why these two console brands are miles apart. Gamespass isn't the golden egg some would have you believe. Its hit its peak and is nowhere near the demanded target of subs by the purse holders

The Wood15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

xbots always tryna group...

..they'll never understand or refuse to acknowledge why these two console brands are miles apart. Gamespass isn't the golden egg some would have you believe. Its hit its peak and is nowhere near the demanded target of subs by the purse holders. on top of that it seems more devs on top of the devs that have shunned the service are not seeing the value of subs vs actual sales. Sell first, sub later works better than sub off the bat. MSGaming has a major sea change decision to make regarding COD. Do they release it dod and lose a high portion of up front revenue or either up the price of gp on the whole or create an even higher sub tier to cushion the blow or don't release it on gp at all and potentially damage the good will gesture reiterated not too long ago. The acquisition money wasn't free money....they'll have to pick their poison

anast13h ago

"Why did PS copy gamepass if it's so terrible and unprofitable?"

They didn't copy GP. They aren't dumb enough to put their exclusives day 1.

"Who wouldn't want to just pay for a subscription instead of $70 per game?"

People who don't like to rent things.

outsider162411h ago

It's funny when he says who wouldn't pay for a subscription instead of paying 70$. Well no shit...if MS keeps releasing average titles who wouldnt..🤣

Cockney10h ago(Edited 9h ago)

The reason is playstation didn't copy anybody and they don't release broken games, their games are still not day 1 and Ps players still buy games so ps+ is just an option for those that want a subscription service, the fact playstation doesn’t push it front and centre should tell you a lot.
On xbox gamepass IS front and centre with an option to buy games on the side, look how that is panning out for them!
Xbox fans are the only ones trumpeting this from the rooftops

shinoff21839h ago

Weren't we able to download ps3 on ps3 and ps4 on ps4 systems back then I really don't remember.

Truth is Ms still copied Sony and made a couple adjustments. One adjustment being day one games which clearly has been xboxs issue hence the ps5 releases, and they groomed the base to not buy games.

romulus237h ago

To be fair it takes it's own level of bias to not see the harm day one game pass is doing to xbox and the industry as a whole. Harm that xbox themselves have admitted to.

ChasterMies7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

“Why did PS copy gamepass”

This is a long story that spans decades. Sony subscription services for games (PS+ and PS Now) before Microsoft. Sony and Microsoft weren’t the only ones. We’ve seen OnLive die, Google’s Stadia die, and disc rental services die. What made Game Pass successful is the amount of money Microsoft is able to lose. Everyone expected Sony to offer a one-to-one Game Pass competitor and they did. To actually make money, Somy sells its own games for at least a year before relegating them to PS+. Sony also has scale. More PS5s sold means more users which means more money. Will these subscription services last? Probably not. Few things do.

Flewid6383h ago

As a huge fan of PS Premium, I don't recall a single AAA game launching on it. Even a AA game.

Everything I've found on PS Premium has already been out for sometime. Better selection too. There are games I trialed that I said "yup, I'm buying".

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Skuletor20h ago

I feel no sympathy for the guy, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that putting your game on gamepass would affect sales.

JEECE14h ago

Seriously, how is it that devs need one of their games to bomb in sales due to Gamepass for them to realize what so many people could easily predict? Like people joke about "armchair CEOs" on here, but at least with respect to the effect of Gamepass, we keep seeing that the armchair CEOs are actually smarter than the real heads of these indie studios.

Skuletor7h ago

Probably short-sightedness when he saw that initial Microsoft check, temporarily made all reason jump out the window 🤑

shinoff21836h ago

In some of the devs defense they know the game won't sell. So why not take the gamepass check. Hopefully yaluza/like a dragon sell decent on Xbox. I'd like to keep this series around.

dveio18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

The 'day-one' feature is the breaker or maker with GP, business-wise.

GP is no Netflix.

Because, from all the Marvel's Avengers to Sicarios, illustratively speaking, they all had their box office money. Before they had entered Netflix.

This concept shows you what Microsoft have actually put themselves into.

And what situation studios put themselves into if they go day-one into GP.

solideagle13h ago

GP/PS Extra day one is best suited for GAAS or free to play games

truthBombs18h ago

Why not sell your game the traditional way first? Then after about 6 months to a year put it on a sub service.

Day one on gamepass is a gamble. It works for some (Pal world) and not for others.

anast13h ago

It's the old psych. experiment. Set out some candy and tell the person they can have it all now, or if they wait, they can have double the amount. Most choose the first option, then complain when it doesn't work out for them.

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Istanbul based developer teases new game based on Turkish mythology

Shadowfall Studios have announced via X.com the studio is now an official PlayStation partner.

darksky1d 18h ago

https://www.shadowfallstudi...

Looks like a Skyrim clone. Very interesting if done well.

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Terry_B1d 17h ago

Is there even one good game created in the Turkey so far?

PitbullMonster1d 17h ago

Metin 1&2 and the Mount and Blade Series are the most known ones.

Michiel19891d 17h ago

Metin ....how dare you name that in the same sentence with the word "good"

Cacabunga1d 14h ago

Crytek says hi.. learn before posting

Zeke681d 13h ago

"Crytek was founded by the Turkish-German brothers Cevat, Avni and Faruk Yerli in September 1999 in Coburg, Germany."

So he's right, Crysis games are not made IN Turkey... ;)

Terry_B1d 9h ago

Just as Zeke mentioned..Crytek is a German developer, created by a turkish guy who lives there, was probably born there.

What I meant are games completely made in the country

MrNinosan1d 5h ago

@Terry
3 turkish guys, not 1.

ghostliving1d 4h ago

-Mount & Blade: Warband
-Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord
-Oddmar
-Anomaly Agent
-Demonologist
-Stygian: Reign of the Old Ones
-Cardboard Town
-Conarium
-Monochroma

S2Killinit1d 9h ago

What is turkish mythology? They don't have a mythology of their own. Unless we are going to rewrite history? Can someone fill us in on what mythology turkey has.

Eonjay1d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

It could mean folklore, proverb, or even fairytale like Jack and the magic beanstalk. It could even just be lore about historical figures like you even see in American culture like Jonny Appleseed (a real person whose life story was mythologized).

S2Killinit1d 6h ago

I see. I was thinking in terms of actual deities. But that makes sense.

purple1011d 4h ago

You know that thing called google. (Or DuckDuckGo, depending on preference 😏)

Have a go at it sometime. It’s good

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

TheCaptainKuchiki16h ago

Do you even know what "mythology" means?

S2Killinit6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Yes I do, which is why I know turkey does not really have one of its own. At least not in the same sense as some ancient cultures that have a mythology that is separate and distinct from the rest.

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