Xbox Will Rise Again

The tepid response to the PS4 Pro might signal that times are a changin'. Will Xbox seize the day and use Project Scorpio to reclaim their spot at the top?

[Lennoxb63]

People need to stop betting on Xbox beating PS. Not going to happen. I'm an Xbox only gamer and I know this. I'm just looking forward to the Scorpio and it selling well. Which i'm pretty sure it will.

[Neonridr]

nothing is impossible. But MS would be hard pressed to wrestle away the title from Sony. Gotta keep delivering by providing a console that attracts people and couple that up with compelling titles.

[Lennoxb63]

If they could take USA and the UK away they could do it. But I don't see it in the near future. I think MS should focus on acquiring talent tbh. They know where the talent is. They just don't buy them. (ex: Bioware, Playdead, Moon Studios, etc.)

[Cindy-rella]

Such a rubbish article with silly dreams that will never happen.

The xbox brand is irrelevant everywhere except for US and the UK so the xbox one doesnt have a chance to catch the ps4 in sales. The xbox one is always having special sales where you can literally get it for almost half the price of a ps4 and four free games. There are even deals where you can get five free games with the purchase of the xbox one and the ps4 still outsells it worldwide. There will be 60million ps4s sold by the time xbox scorpio is out and that console will be significantly more expensive than the ps4 pro. The price of the scorpio will hinder sales. The generation has been over for years. Ps4 is the clear winner of this console generation.

[ritchi45]

"Nothing is impossible"? Try stapling water to a tree :)

[Neonridr]

@ritchi45 - life finds a way.. :P

[darthv72]

funny thing about this "race" is that it keeps on running. There is no "winner" because there is no finish line in sight. It just keeps getting laps and the participants drop out and new ones come in but the race just keeps running.

Runners trade placement back and forth in the laps but the race keeps on going and going and going and going... (metaphorically speaking)

The real winners are the gamers that choose who and how they want to play. some choose a side, others dont but ultimately we are all enjoying the fruits of the labor. I have seen it stated time and again how it's a good time to be a gamer. It's ALWAYS a good time to be a gamer, there has never been one time in my 40 years when it wasn't as there is always something fun to play.

[andrewsquall]

@Lennoxb63 Technically they had the chance to buy up all the talent when they announced the DRM riddled future and before the main competitor steamed off with gargantuan sales. Its simply not going to happen now.

[Angeljuice]

"Will Xbox seize the day and use Project Scorpio to reclaim their spot at the top?"

What spot at the top? Xbox has never won a generation. Their rightful place is second at best.

[Trez1234]

Neonridr@ I 100% agree with you. It's definitely not impossible and you also pointed out what they need to do to make it happen. My only xbox was the 360 and the game that got me into fps was halo 3 so that was an exciting time for me and my friends, but it was when I found fable 1 while going through those xbox classics games that and became a fan, I fell in love with the console.

Then played blue dragon, lost odyssey, gears etc..they had a year start and had the niche crowd too. I think the sudden success of COD really changed Microsoft because their vision changed to this " blockbuster only " mentality and mid gen that console became a shooter console.

If they can get back to that, then they have a good chance for sure but from the outside it seems that most xbox fans now I've bought into this " big name only " idea and just support those so called " major " games.

[Skillz1215]

@Lennox no

[conanlifts]

@cindy-rella. I don't live in the us or uk can assure you that the xbox brand is certainly not irrelevant in Australia.
As for sales....who cares. I am glad xbox is losing in sales as ms have made so many great changes that they would not otherwise have. My only concern with sales for all 3 main companies is that they sell enough to warrant them staying in the industry. Whoever wins or loses is otherwise irrelevant to me, its not like i get a profit share i just want to play games.

[morganfell]

Neonridr,

This isn't Jurassic Park. Often things are the way they are because life got it right the first time. And it was Sony that found a way. Some days you get the bear and some days the bear gets you. Today the bear gets you and that bear is Sony. It got you, me, it got this generation.

[indyman7777]

Nothing is impossible? "Will Xbox seize the day and use Project Scorpio to reclaim their spot at the top?" See that is impossible, because xbox has never finished above second place at the end of all three generations that it has been involved in.

History
1, Xbox finished DISTANT behind PS2.
2, Last gen xbox finished third behind Wii, and PS3.
3, This Gen xbox is second behind PS4 and is in front of wiiu.
Last gen xbox finished

[vegasgamerdawg]

The little fanBOY's don't realize once Atari was on top, then Intellivision, Nintendo, Coleco, Sega etc. They're all little children that haven't lived that long, let them live their fantasy of always being on top. Never has happened, never will happen. The only thing in life that stay's the same, THE ONLY THING, is change!. Grow up children. At one point Nintendo was so huge no one could of ever imagined them being in 3rd place. NO ONE! Guess what happened, we all grew up. Your turn little brainwashed ignorant children. Maybe not Xbox, but Sony will fall, it WILL HAPPEN, just a matter of time. Go on little robots and worship your corporate entities...your IQ's are showing...lol. Pretty sure Nintendo dwarfed Sony gaming...let that sink in children. Let that reality into your skulls and the TV commercials out.

[Godmars290]

What MS needs to prove and deliver games, and they've never really done that.

[DarkHeroZX]

Lenn taking the US and UK would have to be a 2-1 victory just to almost tie.

[Kingthrash360]

Staple water to a tree...
Ok first I cut a tree down leaving only the stump pour water on the stump ....add staple....walah.

[Kidmyst]

I have yet to buy an Xbox and if games will be playable on PC, I have to question is it worth waiting now for Scorpio, or just play the games I want on my PC. I was talking to a friend Yesterday on this because I pay for Ps Plus, do i buy another console, pay $50 a year or so for their online when most gaming will be on PS4. I'd almost rather buy an NX because I already have a PS4 and PC and I have a 5 year old Son and with NX I'd get games that are not playable anywhere else and he'd have Mario, Zelda, and more Nintendo Exclusives.

[Omnislashver36]

Gears 4 and Scalebound show they're still n00bs when it comes to first party. I played 360 exclusively lastgen and all I can say is MS has had a duncecap all gen. First Xbox One launch woes, cloud, 30% less power/$100 more expensive. Now they have Scorpio, but Gears 4 and Scalebound show they can't even get simple things right like VA/MC. Both MCs are terribad, and J Fenix is nowhere near as badass as his dad. They really screwed the pooch on this one. I might buy a scorpio for 3rd parties, torrents, and perhaps Halo 6, but MS really needs to wake the hell up. They can't mess up on the simple stuff like that. I'm buying PS4 Pro for sure though.

[LackTrue4K]

The way i see it, Mircrosoft is putting all its beans on the success of how the scorpion sells!!

Xbox division has no other options to go. No hand held or other Xbox products.

If sales are low, it's that much easier for them to go and keep with PC support.

I will say this
"XboxOne owners did pay 150.00 for a controller"

That's a hint that they can sell a powerful system @ a high price.

[Artemidorus]

Xbox One sold well but Playstation 4 did much more.

[headblackman]

@onyoursistersback

and it was 150 well spent. i own an elite controller and i don't spend money that i don't have. i don't mind paying for quality and elite controller is nothing less than top notch quality. in fact, im getting another elite controller when the gears of war elite controller comes out. i'll be giving my son my original elite controller, so it's money well spent for the best way to play on a console :-)

[Gunstar75]

Exactly. Xbox gamers bought a lot of Elite controllers . MS know there is a market for a premium console. More peer to them.
I was hoping that the xb1 was going to be more expensive than it was and offer more potential

[GameNameFame]

It has no exclusives. Why even wait for Scorpio? You can build PC for same spec today and play Xbox games AND PC.

Without exclusives games, it loses its main pull. Gamer get gaming console for GAMES

[Obscure_Observer]

@Lennoxb63

I´m a PS4 and Xbox One gamer and i totally agree with you. The gap is too wide and i don´t belive people to just stop loving Sony´s amazing exclusive games.

Scorpio should spice up things again alongside with the NX, which will be very helpful for the console market. THE REAL CONSOLE market! Not the fake one with Ouya and Steamvapormachines. :)

[BlackTar187]

I love GAPE

[scofios]

"Will scorpio reclaim their spot at the top" when where they at the top ? Sixth generation it was the ps2 at the top ,seventh generation it was the wii , eighth generation it is the ps4 , did i miss something ?

[Strikepackage Bravo]

Yeah, so the Xbox 360 was "at the top" in North America, UK and AU. Even beating out the Wii in the US eventually. Supposedly the PS3 caught up in ww sales at the end of the 7th gen. However we later found out in financial circles, it never made it to the gaming media, that Sony was counting PS2 sales and PS3 sales as one towards the end of the PS2s life. But that's just sales, what should really matter is that 360 was on top as far as the console experience, and by that measure 360 owned PS3. Everyone played their 360s religiously, and people with PS3s would trash talk Xbox on the internet, then go and continue playing all their games on Xbox, while their PS3s continued collecting dust. Meanwhile, folks played their Wiis for a week and never turned them on again. So yeah, Xbox was on top last gen, and deep down inside, and sometimes not so deep down, everyone knows this.

[MRMagoo123]

lol bravo 😂😂 what are you talking about the Xbox has won nothing ever wii won last gen then ps3 was second. you crazy fans will say anything to feel better.

[Goldby]

@Project Scorpio

So xbox took 75 million gamers from sony last gen, only to have 20 million stay with them?
Guess what mr scorpio. as much as you are holding onto that, it really doesnt help the situation ms is in now.
They had the gamers last gen and lost them 3 years ago. kept some but lost alot more

[Automatic79]

@Lennox63

I keep hearing guys like you claim they need to acquire talent. What do you think they have been doing for the Xbox One generation.

[xMANB3ARP1G]

Back tracking. And ensuring you can play yesterday's games today.

[Trez1234]

Yeah, they've acquired the new Gears team to keep making Gears. Who else ?

[rainslacker]

Closing studios and having their 1st party work on nothing but their staple games, while contracting out 2nd party games....thus not acquiring talent, but acquiring exclusive software made for them through the imagination and work of 3rd party studios who may take their imagination and work to the highest bidder once their contract is ended.

Consider all those 2nd party games have to sell well for those devs to be compelled to not shop around to another publisher going forward, and while MS can always contract out 2nd party games, it doesn't mean that they acquire talent in the process.

MS takes individual risks on single games, not big risks on acquiring new studios.

Nothing wrong with this method of producing games, as essentially, it does get them exclusives to push their system, but with MS, they barely focus on these 2nd party games beyond the announcement and a few sporatic trailers and some mention here or there by Greenburg, whereas Sony takes it's 2nd party games and makes them a focal point of their entire marketing campaign with things like Detroit, R&C, Bloodborne, The Order, etc. In other cases, they acquire the studios, so those studios can continue to make games for them. MS biggest 2nd party push was with QB, and recently, Remedy said going Multi-plat wasn't out of the question, and they don't seem to care if they publish their own games on PC where possible.

Different methods, both with pros and cons....but MS isn't acquiring talent.

[Aceman18]

I have tears in my eyes laughing so hard from this article, and those who believe Scorpio is going to close a 21 million gap worldwide when the system and the company is only popular in two territories.

I think yall should be glad they even bother with it.

[XanderZane]

They aren't going to catch the PS4 worldwide, but they really don't need to. Rise again? I think they already did that after Phil took again. They just need to stay the course and keep the games and new IP's coming. Everything will fall into place.

@PeaSFor
Hhmm. what are you talking about. The Wii was never $599. What point? There was a point in that garbage you wrote?

[LastCenturyRob]

If games such as COD and Battlefield run and look better on the Scorpio many gamers will follow. There isn't as much true loyalty with gamers as there was back in the day. The majority just want the best experience even if it is slight.

[johndoe11211]

True, and games wise the better experience has always been with playstation. Their exclusives have always rated higher than xbox's.

[nitus10]

I am assuming COD - Infinite Warfare (4th November 2016) and Battlefield 1 (21st October 2016) are the games you are talking about and as I have shown in brackets they both release this year as does the PS4pro (10th November 2016). Microsofts's Scorpio or whatever they are going to call it will release in Q4 of 2017 which will be close to a year after the PS4pro releases.

Say CODIW and BF1 do look better graphically when played on the Scorpio to a 4K TV what does that prove especially when you consider that both games will be over a year old when the Scorpio hits the market?

Most people still have HDTV's and if they look at what the Scorpio can do and compare that to the PS4pro they will most likely see little if any difference that would convince them to go out and purchase a decent 4K TV. Of course, you always will have people who will want the latest "shiny" and are willing to pay for it.

[kenwonobi]

Yes. It is impossible. 20 million console lead is insurmountable. In gaming terms it's like having a 50 point lead in the NBA.

[S2Killinit]

They will rise? Why? Because they have a stronger console in over a years time? Couldnt the competition snnounce an evn stronger console right after that? Does that mean xbox "will rise and then fall"?

[NotAFanboyyy]

Yeah, Playstation is just a far larger global brand. It just is. The 360 had many advantages last generation that really cut into Playstation's market share, but those advantages are gone at the moment. I am looking forward to the Scorpio though but worried about price. If it's more than $499 I may wait a little until it comes down. I was ready for a Pro but the lack of 4K Blu Ray put me off a bit. However, I think I can wait a year for Scorpio to get that, so I am in the process of selling my launch PS4 and will scoop up the Pro soon. I think the Pro is going to sell like gangbusters at $399. If MS can somehow launch the Scorpio at $399 I will be shocked but very happy.

Edit: and by soon I mean when the Pro actually launches haha

[Gunstar75]

I'm not particularly bothered if my chosen console's sales beat its competition. Funnily enough, when it comes to music, restaurants and holiday destinations, I hope they aren't popular. There's something great about not being the most popular.... Maybe that's just the British "love the underdog" in me, but as long as sales are high enough to warrant its existence, I really don't care.... I don't care either if you think loving more Halo, Gears or Forza is a bad thing. F**k, Iron Maiden have released 16 studio albums, and loads of live albums and nobody is complaiming about that. If you don't like it, don't effing play it, just like non-Maiden fans. You don't hear them bitching and moaning about it.
Console war's are so last year. Get over it.
That was all
*climes down from soapbox

[DivineAssault]

I respect your honesty and not acting like a fanboy.. Yes the scorpio will be a very powerful console but both companies said these top tier machines wont have games exclusive to them.. The games will only look/run better but keep the same FPS due to the fact everyone will be on the same network to play online.. It wouldnt be fair to have 60 FPS against 30 online.. Like you i plan to buy it but only if they price it correctly but sony has a year lead on them and has a stronghold on the marketshare this gen..

[PeaSFor]

"when I think of the thousands of hours I spent with my 360 it brings a smile to my face, whereas when I think about my fat boy PS3 I get phantom hand cramps and horrifying flashbacks of Uncharted 2 and 3 DISAPPOINTMENT."

lol, dem flashbacks.... mustve been horrible.(smh, ive been in Afghanistan for 3 rotations in 2002-2004 yet he seem to have been exposed to some horrible things on ps3, poor guy, i really feel bad for him..., i could easily talk about a deserted taliban compound where we found 6 decapitated childrens but it would be anecdotic vs his past struggles..)

"Will Xbox seize the day and use Project Scorpio to reclaim their spot at the top?"

what top? last gen wii was first, ps3 second and 360 third salewise, this gen the ps4 have a unbeatable gap vs the xb one and the wii u.

not even talking about the ps2 vs xbox....., so to resume the author of this BLOG is delusional or blatantly misinformed.

[Neonridr]

in all fairness the PS3 didn't surpass the 360 in total sales until very late in the generation. Launching a year early helped build a solid lead for them.

[PeaSFor]

thats the thing, selling at 599$ and launching ONE FULL YEAR LATER,(even longer in some regions) yet IT STILL surpassed the 360, which btw even had multiples extra sales due to the risible RROD problem.

so it just further proves my point.

[Neonridr]

@PeaSFor - I had a broken 360, but I had mine replaced. So not all the sales were due to RROD.

And by the time the PS3 overtook the 360 the consoles were retailing for like $200. PS3 sales were not great during the first year of it's existence. That $599 really hurt them out of the gates. But they built solid momentum by releasing great software. Which is the key. If the games are there, people usually will pick up the hardware.

[Shiken]

Thing is though, the 360 only outsold the PS3 for a year or so. That plus the fact that it was released a year early is what got it its lead.

The PS3 had been consistently outselling the 360 for about 5 to six years to close a gap that was created due to an early release, long before the price dropped.

It did not happen overnight when console prices dropped like you are implying. XBox will never be on top and likely never will be, no point defending the matter. I just want all 3 companies to be healthy and profitable, I could care less who is on top.

[andrewsquall]

@PeaSFor

@Neonridr Yes but alot of them simply were. Of the few people I know as Xbox 360 fans, yes they had 2 or even 3 of the older 360 models hanging around at any one time. And of course they INSTANTLY replaced them all when the 1.0 console finally launched in Summer 2010.

[Elda]

But it passed it.

[snoopgg]

It wasn't too solid considering they had a year headstart and a cheaper console.

[XanderZane]

There's no proof that they've passed them now. Last official sales figures from M$ was 84 million sold and Sony had 80 million sold. Neither one of them have given any new sales figures for that time. All the current numbers out their are just guesses at this point.

[Goldby]

@Xanderzone

i think you go the numbers wrong there.
VGChartz (it doesn't have 100% accurate info, but more accurate than your claim)

PS3 is placed 6th with 86.57 million consoles sold.
360 sits at 7th with 85.56 Million.

on that note, there probably wont be to many people buying 360's anymore because of the one s and its BC.

Last gen, no matter how you look at it, sales wise Nintedo won, Sony in 2nd and MS in 3rd

[rainslacker]

@Goldby

"there probably wont be to many people buying 360's anymore because of the one s and its BC"

MS discontinued the 360, and it's no longer available new from most retailers as part of their standard stocking.

PS3 is still manufactured and support by Sony, and is still selling.

So, PS3 will continue to rise, whereas MS has stopped counting 360 sales.

Not going to speculate on the current numbers. I'd imagine if Sony sells the PS3 long enough, they'll hit some milestone where they'll announce sell-through rates...probably at the 100 million mark. However, with the PS4 becoming so cheap so quickly, and Sony having less room to maneuvuer on the PS3 due to the CELL chip, it'll probably be discontinued sooner....which Sony has already said would be the case(similar to what you posit with the 360/X1S. I wouldn't doubt that the PS3 is close or right around 90 million at the moment, whereas 360 is now what it will always be(85 million based on last reasonable estimates).

[Shadow0fTheDog]

The Xbox360 and PS3 had similar sales overall, but there's no denying that MS dominated the Western market in that generation. What makes PS4's dominance so total was that it not only retained its traditional Japanese following but it also stole the Western slice of the pie. Xbox used to be associated with relatively positive vibes, but for a long while its very name has been poison. I believe that part of the reason Titanfall failed was that it was exclusive to what was viewed as an inferior console. And I'm sorry, I really didn't like Uncharted 2 and 3 (although 4 was good), and I'm not alone in considering the series to be a tad overrated.

[TheGreenMan]

@Shadow

But Halo and Gears weren't overrated at all, right? Right...

[Dark_Knightmare2]

You might not be alone in thinking uc series is overrated. I mean that's how we get the minority opinion but when the majority hail it has a gaming series classic with a one of the best games ever made in uc 2 which 4 will join once enough time passes there's really no reason to say it's overrated when the evidence proves otherwise

[DragonPaw]

I'll keep it real here. I got my 360 for 80 bucks plus a ride to the liquor store. It had Doritos in its plugs. I cleaned it up, but the real reason I bought it is because I knew it could be hacked. I went through several dvd drives and hundreds of Verbatim dl discs. Every game that was good, I had. At the end, it was crazy with how they started overburning games for protection, but I had a drive to do that, too.

People like me.... we ruined the Xbox One launch. MS could not get ahead with the hackers last gen. At most I think I might have had to wait a month after a big system update. That is why there was the big DRM debacle. It was a big problem for them, a huge problem. Then, they made a system that was not as powerful as the PS4 and all of us degenerates who went a whole generation without PS exclusives (that I loved) returned to our console of choice. Mine was the PS.

If I am going to pay to play, I am paying for the best. If you think how people who hacked their Xbox probably had a good knowledge of hardware, it is easy to see why they would choose the best hardware if they had to pay for it.

I saw, though, with my super cheap 360 last gen how games were better than they were on the PS3 because the 360 had the year head start. Games were ported to the PS3 because the 360 market was established first.

This is non existent this gen. It is head to head. There is a winner. I see Sony taking the prerogative this gen in doing what MS did last gen. They are ahead in hardware both in time and in numbers. It doesn't matter so much that Scorpio will release against the NX. PS4 is already winning and it is entering into the next level way before Xbox. Scorpio may be more powerful, but this is not the same market as last gen. Now, Sony has the year head start for the enhanced console niche.

I don't see MS coming out of this on top. Unless they get hacked.

[kraenk12]

Western market?! Maybe if you don't count Europe as "The West"...lol

[THAT77GUY]

Ease up fella. Ever heard of humour? Talking about decapitated children and shit? I also served in Afghanistan and I'm not getting all pissy about this.

[Keltech]

Thank you for your service

[conanlifts]

Much respect to you.

[81BX]

Lets talk about it ;)

[aconnellan]

The PS3 and PS4 were a beast, but I want to focus on this comment:

"thats the thing, selling at 599$ and launching ONE FULL YEAR LATER,(even longer in some regions) yet IT STILL surpassed the 360, which btw even had multiples extra sales due to the risible RROD problem.

so it just further proves my point."

Isn't that exactly why people are saying Scorpio's going to fail? It's launching a year later and most likely at a higher price point? What's the difference between them, and why is it ok that the PS3 did it but not Scorpio?

[Aenea]

Might the difference be that the Xbox One Scorpio is still an Xbox One which is 20 million behind?

Not only does it have to close the gap with the PS4 Pro sales that start a year earlier, it also has to close that 20 million gap which, BTW, will be more when the Scorpio arrives.

It would have been better for MS if they had went all out and told everyone that it is the next generation. That way they could start the count from 0 and actually would be ahead of Sony.

So yeah, it is different.

[xMANB3ARP1G]

Sony has games

[MRMagoo123]

Sony is a company most gamers go to that's why they caught up . MS is a brand most gamers can't trust and only the US and UK buy them , it's getting smashed everywhere else like here in Australia

[rainslacker]

Biggest difference is the brand recognition, and traditional mind share attributed to both systems.

MS problem was never power, in any console it made. The OGXbox was the most powerful. The 360 was as powerful(or sometimes better) than the PS3. The X1 was less powerful, which in itself wasn't a problem, but coupled with a higher price tag over a useless peripheral, and the general bad will they brought with their DRM policies overshadowed anything it could do, and MS own lackluster marketing for promoting their variety have done nothing to compensate for the discrepency in power.

MS problem is, and always has been, getting the mind share and the games which compel people to buy systems. PS1 didn't dominate over the N64 due to power, it achieved it's dominance by delivering new games, and new experiences, which weren't possible on the N64 due to the cartridge limitation, even though more than capable on the hardware side. Every generation has pretty much taken this route. The only time MS actually moved ahead in mind share, and was a strong competitor to Sony is with the 360, and the reason for that was because they were going all out on delivering compelling game experiences, either through 1st party, or 3rd party exclusives.

Games. Always the games.

People can point to all that MS has coming, but those games aren't resonating with people to make them rush out and buy the system with the same effect the PS4 is. Multi-plats may drive sales as well, but for at least a year, Sony will be ahead, and they will have been ahead in terms of power since the start.

So, not only is MS going to be trying to overcome that lingering notion within the average consumer that PS is better, they have to convince people that the extra power is worth their money, and on top of that, now they have to convince people that a perfectly acceptable experience is not acceptable on the competing console at a much cheaper price, and if they're lucky, people won't already be turned off of this mid-gen upgrade BS.

[PhoenixUp]

@ Acon

Because PlayStation is a stronger brand globally Xbox, so none of Microsoft's consoles will ever outsell Sony's in the long term.

Not to mention PS4 has a gap of 20+ million and growing. The Scorpio has no chance of closing such a huge gap. It would have to sell 3x as much as PS4 does on a weekly basis globally just to even have a chance of coming out on top.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

Stop trolling.

[Nathan_Hale53]

People who bitched about the PS3 controller probably never owned a PS2 since they never complained about those. Plus, who thinks Uncharted 2 and 3 is disappointing? 3 I can see simply because 2 is hard to beat, but to me it was just as incredible.

Also thank you for your service man.

[Relientk77]

If you actually think Xbox will overtake PS4 in sales you're only gonna get disappointment

[HAHAHAHAHAHAHA]

Just like i was with recore?
No wonder it had a cheaper price i hope they fix all the bugs.

[lastking95]

How was recore, i didn't have plans to buy but i was curious about it. Why was it a bad game?

[DigitalRaptor]

They continue to remain delusional.... as if trying to argue the point for the past few years hasn't outed them the most embarrassing consumer base in gaming. As if trying to defend things like DX12 and Microsoft's claims about the "power of the cloud" haven't been bad enough - they've got to soldier on with a console they actually don't know much about other than, again, Microsoft's claims.

When it comes out, Scorpio will be released at a greater cost to the PS4 Pro.

When it comes out, Scorpio will STILL have less games, and less impactful exclusive games than PS4.

When it comes out, Scorpio will have to deal with an established to the market PS4 Pro, with strong developer support that isn't going to go away just because MS has a new console iteration out. They're going to cater to the market leader first and foremost - well because it's out first, a year in advance.

Power alone will not save it, like its fanboys think it will suddenly change perception and give it more games throughout the year like MS fails to do. They've already closed a large chunk of their first-party game studios and projects earlier this year, all the new IPs they have tried to establish have flopped or not been well received.

In regards to sales, it's not even close... in its lifetime, even with Scorpio, Xbox One looks to fail to surpass 50 million units sold. And if Scorpio doesn't do well, then where does Xbox go from here? As another user pointed out, they don't have any other outlet besides PC, an initiative in which they're trying to turn an open platform into a closed one via the same principles that made Games for Windows Live such an atrocity, and it's not going to end well either.
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@ EpicSandwich

You're hilarious.

Billions of dollars doesn't help Microsoft to make better games than Sony, nor does it help them support the more unique and risky game projects that gives their overall games lineup larger diversity -- which is what is more important in gaming than claims of a console 12+ months away that still has the same inferior games.

MS has billions and they don't care enough to make ambitious AAA open-world games, whilst Sony has 3 of them in development. They can't even be bothered to give their studios the freedom to spend many years crafting a new IP, for the sake of its quality like Sony does.

MS has billions and they can't even get people to care about their consoles more than a company with less money.

So nope, I don't hold on to sales exclusively. I hold on to power that is relevant to the industry in its given moment in time (4K is not there yet but Sony's solution holds it own), I hold on to quality games throughout 12 months of the year (MS deeply fails to do this), and I hold on to sales (Sony dominates, and always will despite MS's billions).

Good luck hoping that waiting 4 years (LMAO) to be able to boast about a power advantage for roughly 18-24 months until the PS5 comes out bragging more power than Scorpio, helps you or MS in any way. And where is that "cloud power" that MS promised would make their console 3-4 times more powerful back in 2013? The fact that you actually believe anything this company claims.... 😂😂😂

[sk8ofmnd]

I believe by the time scorpio releases the pro will be 299 and 499 will most likely be the asking price for the scorpio.

[EpicSandwich]

Microsoft has billions, console sales didn't help Sony the ps pro Is proof of that. And Microsofts billions are evident in the scorpio. Keep holding on to dear sales 😂😂😂

[madmonkey01]

rise again to what? it has lost every generation it has been in

[andrewsquall]

Lol "rise again"? He obviously means charge 90 quid for wireless adapters, subscription to a service that gives you no value back even requiring a sub to access your Netflix account or even Youtube, very forced proprietary accessory use like headsets that took over 5 years to finally ease up on, horrible rules for devs like restricting game sizes on downloadable content/demos/patches, severe problematic hardware failures.

I just love it when people talk about the "good old days" of Xbox 360 with crimson, blood covered, tinted glasses.

[lastking95]

It won the western market last gen by a landslide and still was pasted up by about 1 million. PS name is simply too big. After MS shot themself in the foot with the X1 reveal it has no to pass WW. If the gen last as long as last gen did ps4 would be on pace to outsell X1 100million to 60 million. Scorpio may very well take NA and UK back for them but else where no chance.

No even if you country the other western territories 360 still out sold. It outsold os3 by 20 million in US alone. It's when you bring EU, eastern and countries 360 wasnt available do ps3 surpass 360. (Which was around 1 million) so how is stating an obvious fact moving the goalpost?

[madmonkey01]

moving the goal posts, is the western market only US and UK?

[FarEastOrient]

The Western market is only the U.S. and U.K., not according to the shareholders of those companies. Way to ignore the rest of the countries that are part of that market in which Xbox 360 did lose overall.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

Please stop trolling.

[littlezizu]

World Wide impossible as Xbox is relevant in only 2 or 3 countries. Power doesn't sell console; Exclusives especially critically acclaimed games do.
http://i.imgur.com/rXzPyOY....
This image sums up what they lack and need in their exclusives games

[Lennoxb63]

To be fair, those 2 or 3 countries sell more consoles than all of the other countries combined.

[TheColbertinator]

True which is exactly where Sony outsold Microsoft that clinched their lead. If MS cannot outsell them in their best markets,where will they sell more?

Germany? Brazil? Burkina Faso?

[lastking95]

Yet an 85 outsold every ps4 exclusive. So nah not everyone nor majority of people go running out to buy 90+ random site rated games. A 71 just sold a s*** ton. Not only that but multiplates sell more (on that 1 console) then the average exclusive showing the rumor people buy consoles for exclusives false. (Some do but not majority) CoD, Madden and NBA2k is what you'd find 10 time before you'd find a gamer with an exclusive

@SonyAddict Learn to read i clearly and specifically mention the fact some do lol, just not majority. Never mind your name says it all lol not gonna waste my time.

Digital raptor is so full of **** MS gave numbers, even website trackers which arent even accurate do to not counting digital (which sale more on Xbox)have it ahead. Keep taking those pills though. #NumbersNeverLie

@games4fun ikr it's quite sad digital raptor just cant accept that fact. He went weeks pm me over it, they need some help. Sony addicts indeed, instead of being gamers and not give 2 ***** and just enjoying what they like, its like the other console cant have any success, more or better anything to them.

[SonyAddict]

So you speak for everybody? I buy most exclusives and would rather play them than copy n paste COD so stop talking rubbish and grow up a bit!!

[moegooner88]

Google is your friend.

[DigitalRaptor]

OH... MY.. GOD...

As if we haven't gone back and forth with this via PM, and you are still spreading your unsubstantiated claims that Halo 5 outsold Uncharted 4. I don't know why you think spreading unsubstantiated claims makes you reputable, but regardless, PS4 has more games, more diverse variety of games, better rated games. We don't need your salt or your excuses about why games were rated well by people who enjoyed them.

What does third-party multiplatform games outselling exclusives have to do with somehow proving people don't buy exclusives or that they don't matter? That has been the case for a long time buddy, and exclusives have by and large represented the legacy of a console. Before Microsoft turned their XB1 into an almost 100% multiplatform machine, you were defending their exclusive lineup as if it was one of the most important things.

The reality is, XB1 has not received a quality AAA exclusive game all year, and that is part of the reason why they stay losing. Forza Horizon 3 looks great, so you've had to wait 10 months for something of quality that intrinsically represents the console.

As for what SonyAddict says:
I'm sure he doesn't actually WANT to be wasting his time with a lying disingenuous Xbox fanboy either.

[Nathan_Hale53]

So, even with multi platform games as an argument, why not get the better looking/performing version? I'd prefer a 1080p/60fps game over a 900/720p multiplat with either 30 frames, or worse frame drops from 60.

[game4funz]

Sounds like your fans are salty.
Numbers are already out there. Anyone with half a brain knows halo 5 has sold more then uncharted, all they have to do is look. Util Sony says otherwise halo 5 has sold more.

Don't know why you get so many people disagreeing. All they have to do is look it up. It's really easy. And there's no shame in accepting the truth. Uncharted is a fine game.

[Mulando]

Playstation 4 sold well almost without exclusives in the beginning. It was just marketing the "power" in the beginning and the marketing missteps MS did.
So, to be fair, it is all about marketing.
Btw, marketing here in Germany is horrible from MS. Don't know why, but they seem to not care if they sell products outside of the US. Since xbox one was revealed, they did almost nothing to tell people they sell a xbox one, ... well at least here in Germany.

[Xavy]

lolololololol

[Xack]

I'm a fan of both consoles, but I'd say that I play more on PS4 because of my mates having that system more. I do try and get most FPS on Xbox because I prefer the controller for shooters.

As far as who is going to win? who knows. Scorpio may flop, it may not. PS VR might surprise and take off, I guess all we can do is come along for the ride.

I do agree that Xbox has had the upper hand in regards to exclusives. Sony would be praying that Horizon Zero Dawn lives up to its potential.

[DragonDDark]

What exclusives?

[Xack]

Ori and the Blind Forest, Dead Rising 3, Titanfall, Forza, Quantum Break, Rise of the Tomb Raider (timed I know), Halo 5 and Sunset Overdrive off the top of my head

[MRMagoo123]

@xack

nice list of games now name an exclusive one

[FarEastOrient]

So many people don't want to count the PS/PC combination. So the only thing you got there as exclusive is Halo 5 and Sunset Overdrive, anything else?

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Lol what exclusives bro I own both systems too and it's not even a contest when it comes to exclusives. Halo 5 bar the mp was a disappointment, sunset overdrive was awesome but no one bought it and forza is forza part of a niche gaming genre that is amazing but other than that they've had jack.

[lastking95]

Nice duck, halo 5 campaign was disappointing mostly do to the misleading commercial and trailer and consider the past halo campaigns were the best in fps history it didn't meet that standard. Everything bar campaign was top notch.

I bought it along with about 1.5 million+ others and gold subs that got to play it.😆

Niche? Do you really wanna go there? Lol

Ori best platformer in years

Titanfall great new fps (2 looks like trash and getting a lot of hate)

Killer instinct 2nd to MK but no other do ps4 have an exclusive fighter?....oh yeah lol

Quantum break was great just not enough content

Dead rising 3 (not my cup of tea)

Gears 4 upcoming

Scalebound upcoming

Crackdown upcoming

State of decay 2 upcoming
(Games I've played and plan to buy only. no remasters or remakes)

What has ps4 had that youve played and upcoming you're interested in?

[zeuanimals]

@Lastking:

SFV was lambasted for not having enough content but it was praised for the gameplay. How was the content for Killer Instinct when it first came out? Oh, right, it had 8.

But yeah, Forza being "niche" isn't a bad thing. It's one of my favorite anything and dear I say, better than GT (as a life long GT fan) in most regards these days.

And what PS4 games have I enjoyed? UC4, Bloodborne, Driveclub, Infamous SS, Ratchet and Clank, Resogun, Helldivers, and Alienation (big bullet hell fan). There's more but those stick out since I've put a ton of time into them or they're just very memorable.

I'm looking forward to Persona 5, Gravity Rush 2, Nier, Ni-Oh, Yakima 6, TLG, GOW, Horizon, GT Sport (WITH VR OMG), Driveclub VR (I wouldn't consider it a brand new game though), and Spiderman. There's probably some more I forgot but Spiderman and GOW are the furthest ones out.

I've seen people saying we're gonna be disappointed with the wait for GOW but those same people are still hyped for Crackdown 3 and Scalebound, so I think if they can wait, I can wait too. I also have tons of games to bide my time with while I wait next year. I can't say Xbox only users have had that luxury.

Also, on the topic of Scalebound, it's probably Platinum's worst looking, big budget game (from a gameplay standpoint). Meanwhile, in February, arguably their best looking game, Nier: Automata, releases on the PS4 (and PC). Yeah, it's just my opinion but I'm not alone. That game just lacks any of the trademark Platinum insanity and reminds me more of a tame Western RPG with a cringey, Japanese twist.

Also, I don't much care if a game's also on PC. I see a ton of PS fanboys saying the XBO has no exclusives but cling to certain PS4/PS3 or PS4/PC games. Just straight hypocrisy.

[yeahright2]

Past halo campaigns were the best in fps history? not bioshock? not half life? Halo had the best in history? I know this is subjective, but still, really?

[Nathan_Hale53]

Love how people bashed the PS4 as an "indiestation" when one of their, if not their highest rated games, "Ori and the Blind Forest" is an indie game. I loved it, but as a platformer, i'd have it compete with the newest R&C game.

@YeahRight2.
I'd place the Halo trilogy up there with some of the best FPS campaign's in history. Bioshock 1 and Half-life 1 and 2 are also way up there.

[game4funz]

@lastking@zeuanimals
Basically you've both proven a known fact by gamers who like playing games for real and don't care about this whole console crap.

That is that both consoles has had a good number of exclusives. Yes console blah blah exclusives I know. Reality is very few console gamers also game on pc. Why? Because pc has niche exclusives, which I like of course. Starcraft, Dota, mmos, path of Exile, etc.

So when talking exclusives it's mainly regarding the ps and Xbox.... Pc not included. Heck ps now service is going/on pc and that'll eventually likely give access to Ps4 games in the future.

Both consoles have exclusives let me list em

Xbox
Ryse
Crimson
Dead rising 3
D4
Spark
Forzas
Gears
Halo
Sunset
Quantum break
Recore
Ori
And some more... Not mentioning the upcoming ones.

PS
All Japanese games.... Many granted some are and have headed to Xbox and vice versa.
Infamous
Clank game
Driveclub
Uncharted
Until dawn
The order
R&C
Bloodbornes
There's more like the witness... But that's out now on Xbox at 1080p I've heard which is, funny enough, higher then Playstation... Weird.

As you can all see.. The lists are similar in number and no... Don't care about pc. If you got one great but if not...then it don't matter.
If it did matter then why don't people make a PC exclusive list to put alongside your comparisons???

[Speak_da_Truth]

Ori and the Blind Forest (also on PC)
Dead rising 3 (Also on PC )
Titanfall (Also on PC and Titanfall 2 will be on Ps4)
Forza ( Now also on PC)
Quantum Break (Also on PC)
ROTTR( Soon to be released on PS4)
Halo 5 ( I think it's on PC. I don't really follow Halo that much so IDK)
SSOD (OK)

[lastking95]

Ok...
And?
2 will be trash
How does that work?
Broken on pc
Lol so late
Nah
Lol ok

Personally only bought xbox for 1 franchise (halo) after playing it on pc any other exclusive was a bonus, was a ps only gamer before hand. I did try fable before hand at a friends house which was great but only 1 game ever made me buy a console and that was halo. I can live without every other. Nearly bought a wii u simply for smash bros.

What exclusive games do you play that keep you?

[nix]

lastking,

stop crying already... lmao.

[Skillz1215]

did you just say xbox had better exclusives when xbox has none?

[moegooner88]

Upper hand , omg looooooool. Thanks for the laugh :,))))

[Cy]

Oh my god, can both consoles just release tomorrow so I don't have to wade through fifty of these articles every week?

[HAHAHAHAHAHAHA]

Nope there is 50,000 to be done when pro releases in nov.
then we will see the whole pro doesnt give you anything extra its just a ps4 with higher specs articles.
Then we will see more comparisons on pro vs scorpio even though scorpio isnt out for a year.
Then we will see the whole scorpio is going to reclaim the crown ones like this one about 5months before scorpio comes out.
Then when ps5 gets announced later on in the cylcle we will get all these over again with ps5 vs scorpio...
The ps5 vs some what xbox and so on....

[SegaGamer]

I know how you feel. I'm sick of these articles and the fanboys repeating the same crap over and over again. This is just the beginning though, we will have a whole year of this. After the year is up, they will continue their childish arguments in another way. It's an endless cycle.

[Aenea]

It has been bad the past week tho, sigh...

[Phill-Spencer]

Oh come on! I have so much fun reading through the comments of these articles. I'm used to read delusional comments and moving of goalposts. But, oh boy, since ps4 pro was announced SH!t went straight mental. Imaginery consoles being compared with pro, everybody suddenly has 4k tv's and therefore can't accept images upscaled to 4k, articles about how Xbox can be on top again etc. I love it because everytime i visit n4g there will be another article written by a lunatic author and the craziest, most delusional comments that put a smile on my face.

[Aenea]

Oh yes, so much this!

Worse, after E3 2017 rumours about PS5 (true or not) are going to rear it's ugly head and we will get the same crap all over again.

Can we force MS, Nintendo and Sony to plan the release of their new consoles in the same month and year, please? And reveal them on the same damn day 3 weeks before they are up for sale, please, pretty please?

Won't happen, but I would be so happy!

[Goldby]

Make them release during winter olympics lol every 4 years

[PhoenixUp]

Xbox never held the top spot in the gaming industry. The brand has always been outsold by either PlayStation or Nintendo since it entered the industry.

You can't reclaim what you've never had.

What's even funnier is that Xbox One is actually Microsoft's fastest selling console, yet some of their own fans still aren't satisfied with that fact.

[CaptainObvious878]

Good points, except we don't know if the xbone is selling faster than the 360.

MS haven't released official numbers for close to 2 years now. The last time they said anything it was "we're very close to 10 million", which could mean anything.

[sullynathan]

The South will rise again

[ThatGuyDart]

Delusional.

That is all.

[Elda]

Agreed.

[nix]

if i had to point to a community that is optimistic as hell... i'd point to Xbox fanboys.

[XXanderXX]

Its got my full support on every venture going forward like they have had from their first introduction to the industry.

[CaptainObvious878]

So when they announced their draconian DRM policies you smiled and bent over? No lube required?

When they rushed the 360 to the market, MS knowing full well is was faulty but wanted to beat sony at any cost, you smiled and bent over?

When they charged for online, offering far less dedicated servers than PS3 at the time, you smiled and bent over?

When they...

... I could go on for a few more pages.

It's disgusting, people like you defending ms behavior.

[XXanderXX]

No bending over ever just a ton of support from me .

[Ristul]

XXanderXX: Thank god people like you are a minority, or we would all pay full prices for games as a rental service.

[zeuanimals]

@Ristul:

Not only that, but we'd be okay with exclusives taking a complete back seat in favor of that multiplat love, ads on the dashboard and advertisers creepily watching us watch their ads, still needing XBLG for things like freaking Netflix, and plenty more dumb things we don't have to deal with.

[Silly gameAr]

Wow. This sounds like something that was written by an xbox fan that frequents N4G. Not the first time we've heard something like this.

[The_Sage]

Xbox never had the top spot, so how could it be reclaimed?

[Skankinruby]

Not this gen that's for damn sure

[FallenAngel1984]

Eh what? Am I missing something here?

Xbox had a back and forth battle with GameCube before ultimately coming out on top because of Halo 2. While all this was happening, the PS2 was soundly beating them.

Xbox 360 had a 1 year head start, yet ended up in last place behind Wii & PS3. This means 360 was the slowest selling 7th gen console.

Xbox One has trailed PS4 since it launched and even got outsold by Wii U worldwide for a couple of months.

There's never been a point in history where the Xbox brand was on top and won the generation.

What you can say is that so far every Xbox console has sold better than its predecessor.

[Automatic79]

@FallenAngel1984

How quickly you forget

PS2 had a year and a half head start before the Xbox and Gamecube came out. So when you tell a story tell the entire story.

Xbox 360 had a year start and PS3 came out a year later, while MS , indicated real sales for Xbox 360, for an entire generation, PS3 gave gamers inflated retail numbers(go ahead say I am lying). Further, show real proof of PS3 ever winning. I seen multiple articles saying Xbox 360 won. Some how you all become blind and move goal post to fit your fake TMZ stories.

Further as for this generation, PS4 dominates, hands down, Xbox Message was off when released and to much BS around launch that made a horrible impression. However, if you take all the countries, 142 countries (PS4) compared to 66 countries(Xbox One). I think both doing fantastic given there respective territories. Go ahead disagree all you want. Moving forward, be straight up when you talk about history in gaming.

By the way Xbox is stronger than ever they have 49 million Xbox live subscribers compared to Sony with PSN having 20 million subscribers, you add the the 300 million Windows 10 users, Out of 300 million, 125 million being gamers, they have leveraged there sales to compete with Sony this generation. So quit all the BS.

[Skillz1215]

quite possibly the dumbest thing ever said on N4G

[Stogz]

So now that MS doesn't ever reveal #s and only gives out garbage like online games played for the month, are you gonna give them crap about that too? Seems like you don't want to admit the truth, but honestly what does it matter because neither Sony nor MS won last gen.
You talk about more countries, you xbox fanboys have been using that all gen, but those other territories are extremely small and probably don't account for more than a few percentage points of overall sales, otherwise it would make no sense for MS not to release there.
Your subscribers logic is flawed too, Sony is only charging for PSN this gen, you're counting 2 gens of xbox live. Quit moving goalposts. Any other fanboy logic you'd like me to destroy for you??

[FreddyFazbear]

Stop with the bullcrap and lies. No amount of damage control or pr talk would make xbox better. And your opinions are just opinions. Keep them to yourself.

[MRMagoo123]

@skilz

lol read his other comments they all are as delusional. the guy lives in his own world and reality

[nix]

Lito,

wow, just wow.

[Goldby]

am i the only one who read it and shook their head, no ok. im not going insane. Michael must be becuase he went from saying Xbox Live Subscription is at 49 Million which apparently is equal to 125 million gamers Get the Frick out of here.

Onto some facts Michael.

Xbox hasn't won a single generation it has been apart of.
Yes sony sold the ps2 a year and a half early, still doesnt take away teh fact they supported it for over 11 years and have sales over 150 million for it compared to the at approx 25 million.

Last gen Sony didnt win the pointless console war, Nintendo did. they sold over 100 million units compared to the 86mill for Sony and 85 mill for 360.

360 got the head start, rushed completion of the 360 and for that they had the RRoD which is still in some peoples minds.

As for the articles where 360 one, was that for NA only or world wide. if its world wide, you need a new source for your info

[PhoenixUp]

@ Michael

You seem to have forgotten that the Dreamcast had 1.5 year head start on the PS2 and still quickly got outsold by it, so idk why you'd bring up that point. Both Xbox 360 and Wii U had a 1 year head start and they still ended up the slowest selling console of their respective generations. That just goes to demonstrate how strong the PlayStation brand is.

Oh wow you're full of yourself. Sony always gave out legitimate numbers for how much their last console sold, unlike Microsoft who's keeping the sales of their current console hidden. In fact let's do basic math. 360 launched in 2005 and PS3 launched in 2006. Both platforms reached 80 million by November 2013. That much tells you that since day one PS3 was selling at a faster rate than 360.

You act as if XO actually had a chance of beating the PS4. That was never going to happen irregardless of what message Microsoft had. The Xbox brand is not as strong globally as the PlayStation brand. As proof of this, as of now Microsoft's fastest selling console is still selling at a slower pace than Sony's slowest selling console.

PS+ has 21 million users, but the number of monthly active users on PSN was reported to be 65 million in Q1 of 2015, which means that number now should be far higher by now. There is far more traffic on PSN than on XBL.

[Automatic79]

@Phoenix

Your lack of reading comprehension is horrible. Learn to understand the statement made, followed by the response I gave. This is not a flame, fan boy, console war, discussion. It's simply me indicating that when you make a comment about video game history, state the entire history(don't cherry pick history for personal agenda purposes). Further with the entire rant you made you still show no proof. Additionally, you don't provide links, you disclose information that is irrelevant to the discussion and you are making false comments.

To all above who 1)read through my comment history, 2) go on every Xbox One articles too, a)knock Xbox One, b) spread false stories, and 3) who continue to disagree with any civil discussion, that primarily an Xbox player has. Just remember you are only making yourself look bad. In the real world you will not be taken seriously and generally in gaming the same applies. No matter how many disagrees I get, it does not always, key words, "it does not always" reflect that i am wrong and the 20 disagrees I receive, are the truth. Provide proof and back it up with supporting papers if you want to get taken serious.

[zeuanimals]

@Michael:

"you show no proof" "no links". I don't know if you know this, but your posts/rants are missing proof and links as well. This is just me simply indicating that you're a hypocrite. You're also a liar and completely delusional.

Also, I sincerely hope that 79 at the end of your username doesn't indicate that you were born in 1979 because boy... That would be a tragedy.

[PhoenixUp]

@ Michael

You know you've lost an argument when can't even refute my facts with links & evidence and yet ask me for basic info you can find on the net.

You also know you've lost when you ask the other person to actually go through your comment history

[Pancit_Canton]

Maybe they will be on second place again especially Nintendo isn't directly competing with the other two.

[Christopher]

Who cares, is what I say to the title.

Edit: To clarify, this article is acting like some sort of specific supporter to just Xbox as if it's fallen and needs to be saved. The Xbox brand is stronger than ever, definitely stronger than last generation. It doesn't need saving nor does it need to 'rise again'.

[King_Lothric]

Doyouevengamebro. Com??? 😁 WTH!?

Easier said than done!

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

I love my Xbox and will pick it over Sony any any day but even I know that it's next to impossible for MS to catch Sony in sales this gen. The best MS can do is setup the Xbox to be number one next gen.

[Angeljuice]

If only they had experience of ever being number one, they may have a clue how to do just that.
They've got their 3rd console curse out of the way, so maybe they'll do a half decent job of the next one.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

They are number 1 in my home and that's all that matter. I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks.

[Goldby]

@Blk

And thats the way it should be,

enjoy the prefered console for your home. at the end of the day we are all gamers wanting to have fun

[DarkZane]

"The best MS can do is setup the Xbox to be number one next gen. "

They're not gonna be number one next gen either. Xbox is never gonna be number one period.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

Ok fanboy....

[iTechHeads]

Don't hold your breath.

[FreeSpeech69]

Playstation will always beat Xbox. Most Xbox Fans are willing to give playstation a chance, but due to exclusives and brand loyalty playstation fans will never ever respect Xbox. Even if Microsoft switch all 1st Party developement to Japanese developed games, playstation fans would still refuse to give it a chance. Microsoft has no chance to win worldwide but they may have a chance to win in America and get like 40% in Europe if they Do EVERYTHING Right (they aren't even close right now though).

[EpicSandwich]

I see ps fans running to xbox daily. And as a day one ps4 owner, I'm one of them. Just got a xbox and Fh3 is by far the game of the generation so far for me and I'm telling you this after a DEMO

[FreeSpeech69]

I love Forza Horizon 1 and 2, but It's milked to death and you know it. The fact that that the game cost over 100 bucks for all the content AND it has microtransactions makes it's a really bad deal (although surprised a lot of Forza Fans love being Screwed in the ass over this and will defend the fact that there is microtransactions in a full price game with over 40 dollars of Launch DLC LOL).

[rainslacker]

I don't think that's true. At least not for me. I gave X1 a chance, after putting off the Xbox brand for two gens, and now that I have an X1, there isn't much compelling there making me think I couldn't have just written off the X1 this gen as well.

Brought the system for QB, was let down. Tried SSoD, was fun, but annoying. Ori was good, and the best game I played on the system for me so far. Halo:MCC was good, and I'm sporatically muddling my way through the campaigns when I feel like it. Have no interest in GeOW. Forza is a good franchise, but have no interest in investing in a wheel set up on the X1 to play a driving game the way I prefer, particularly with PSVR coming soon to make driving sims more immersive on PS. Scalebound looks lackluster for a platinum game. Cuphead seems OK so will probably try that out. Been disappointed in ReCore. KI holds no interest for me. All multi-plats play better on my PS4.

I afford every opportunity for MS to impress me with their games, and will buy any game that interests me on the system. When they manage to do that more, others will also be impressed, and maybe some of this apparent lack of respect will go away, but for the time being, the lack of respect is more deeply rooted than just because there are PS fans out there not willing to give it a chance. Even last gen, when they were delivering compelling content early on, it was very hard to keep away from the system, but circumstances at the time made me forgo it. Now that I've taken the plunge, I've been mostly disappointed, with the occasional spark to make it kind of worthwhile.

You act like there is no rhyme to the reasons Xbox isn't moving ahead, and unfortunately, it's not right to blame Sony fans for it, because the vocal people do not make up the entire market. MS reasons for being behind are from their own making, PS fans are just more keen to point out those reasons, which you in turn interpret as PS fans being unreasonable and somehow damaging.

[butchertroll]

It's OK to have dreams.

[Ristul]

Pie in the sky dreams.

[Elda]

Nah...smh.

[SilverDemon]

The gap is growing by the day. Scorpio won't be able to close it
Also, we should learn from history. Power isn't everything
Look at vita,og xbox, ps3 and n64

[EpicSandwich]

The gap wont exist when scorpio drops because it's a new console. Still counting ps3 sales too?

Below
Lmao so many of you desperate people clinging on to sales. Scorpio won't be a part of the Xbox one sales because it's a new console lol the brain capacity of some

[SilverDemon]

Ps4 pro is a ps4 still plays tge same games, have the same firmware, same everything just power upgrade so it counts witg ps4 sales

Dunno about Scorpio but if it starting from the bottom then it surely wont catch the ps4

[MRMagoo123]

yeh like silver said ....if it's classed as a new generation for MS that's even worse for them lol

[Angeljuice]

@Epic
You've been saying over and over again that Scorpio isn't a new generation, but now you want to drop the Xbox one's poor sales figures and start all over again when it launches (just like a new generation machine).

They are both supposed to be "refresh" consoles like the "S" and the slim. The Scorpio will always be chained to Xbox one's relatively poor sales, no matter how much you want to flush that turd away.

[Goldby]

@silverdemon

"Started at the bottom now we're still here"

[Yomiro]

Never herd about that website before.

[Valkron1]

I'm hoping Crackdown 3 and Halo 6 will ship along side Xbox Scorpio :)

[Angeljuice]

Crackdown 3 is supposed to demonstrate the "power of the cloud" in Xbox One gaming ( the first demonstration of such since being touted before the console released).
It would totally steal it's thunder if they released together (but I suppose MS have pretty much given up on X1 now).

[TheColbertinator]

Not a chance of victory in sales not but Microsoft should use this time to build more first party studios.

[Vasto]

All of this has been planned for years.

[Fist4achin]

I hope it does rise again. Competition is always great and forces companies to do better. This is coming from a gamer who supports all three console companies.

[SynestheticRoar]

LOL. The south has a better chance.

[Kojjikaneshiro]

They will look better than they did at the beginning.Also they are doing a good job of making things better obviously some improvements have got to be made but they are on the rise.That also doesn't mean that i think they will put Sony under but we will get better quality outta of it as XboX fans which is what i care about.After all we are getting a better console next year,so no more excuses.

[Kingdomcome247]

The, "Xbox 6 Phoenix", incoming? With Microsoft's odd history in naming products, that name I gave is just as good a guess as any, I suppose.

[Angeljuice]

It's not a bad guess. The phoenix rising from the ashes of the Xbox One disaster may have negative connotations though.

[Goldby]

i can see it now, even if they give it away for free there will be bad press

"MS and Xbox give gamers the bird!"

[BlakHavoc]

There was a 4 year gap between the xbox and 360 cycle, so I think MS is basically hitting the reset button with Scorpio and forcing a new console cycle in 2017. Pro clearly isn't meant to do that and I think Sony was honestly caught off guard. I highly doubt Sony isn't planning a counter move at the moment tho, but it likely wont come out till 2018.

[Angeljuice]

I disagree. Sony have been planning this for a while, they've achieved what they wanted.
I believe the Scorpio was designed to be either a refresh or a new gen depending on what move Sony made. They didn't want to be caught out like last time, so they covered both bases.

It's a pure reactionary move. Last time they were underpowered, this time they throw everything at the power end of things.

[BlakHavoc]

What are you disagreeing with exactly?

[Angeljuice]

I can't remember. I stand by it though.

[YAO-BLING]

Keep dreaming

[zerocarnage]

Love these articles + the idiots. There are two major developers of console with a third just behind it. People's tastes change so the markets will change all the time, it's just that obvious and you would have to be blind not to see that. It doesn't matter who's in front in sales all three big time console devs are making there money one way or another and all three have mad crazy fans/owners.

I enjoy my Xbox but I certainly would not wish Ill on the other competitors dispute how well or bad they do, they have all contributed majorly to the development of gaming. Every dev out there whether it's a new feature being built, New engine, New way of designing has put there time in and made gaming what it is today. And thats the problem with a lot of you, unless you were around and had either every console out or the majority of them, you don't realise how gaming wouldn't be what it is today with each and every one of them giving there time and love for something they believed in. you all just start spitting your hate towards everything you don't own and it's sad to see really that gamers can behave towards an industry that just would not be where it was today if each and everyone of them just was not trying to develop the best they can.

[Angeljuice]

A lot of people can only justify/afford one gaming system. They put a lot of time and effort into choosing which system to invest their time and money into, it is only natural to want to reaffirm their decision by whatever means necessary.
Others have issues with one or more of the corporate entities that own the space.

It's perfectly natural, though not always particularly mature.

Most of the people who buy the systems work equally hard for less money in a far less exciting industry than videogames. Without the consumer there would be no industry whatsoever.

Its human nature to be tribal.

[game4funz]

Never realized it fell to begin with. Still a console making money.

[Red_Renegade]

they don't make consoles just to make money. they want to make a certain amount, and they want to be first in sales. they want to be the best known gaming platform, with the best known games. i don't think they have any of that.

[game4funz]

Well. Not to burst your bubble but Japan will never embrace the Xbox. And Xbox team knows that I think.

So no. They make console because there is a profit gain. As long as there is that they're happy. Being the best is completely subjective and... We'll it shows a certain lack of experience if that is what you think they strive for.

[OoglyBoogly]

For me it's about the exclusives and so far Sony, nearly consistently, has covered this the best. Yeah, Xbox has some good games but I've also got a PC and even if I didn't there's just nothing I can think of that's Xbox only that I have to have.

This is a major ordeal and nothing that Scorpio can do will make exclusives "better", that's a decision for the people in charge over at MS to make.

[EpicSandwich]

Name me all the amazing exclusives

Oogly
He had to name last gen games and remakes with even planetside and driveclub. Goldby just proved my point for me lol. Uncharted and Bloodborne are the only two good games on ps4 right now imo.

[Goldby]

Bloodborne
Uncharted
Last of Us
Drive Club
Infamous SS/First Light
Planet Side 2
Paragon
MLB The Show
Shadow of the Beast
Resogun
Abzu
Journey
Final Fantasy 7 (plus eventual final fantasy 7 remake)
Dont Starve
don't Starve Together

Just to name a few

Edit: forgot world of final fantasy

Since when is Infamous, Drive club, dont starve, planetside, abzu, resogun, paragon and a whole lot others last gen?

Btw epic. A last gen game like journey is playable on ps4 and is scored better than any exclusive you got on xbox one

[OoglyBoogly]

Lol...are you new to gaming? Sony has ALWAYS had amazing exclusives on all their consoles. To even try and act like that isn't the case is fucking stupid.

[ITPython]

The only time Xbox has had a spot at the top was last gen when the 360 had the lead for the first couple of years. Other than that brief moment in time, PlayStation has always topped it.

And one of the biggest reasons the 360 held that spot was because it launched a year before the ps3. And guess what, the Pro launches a year ahead of Scorpio, which only makes it even less likely the Scorpio will have a remote chance of "reclaiming the top spot".

[PhoenixUp]

In 2006 the PS2 was globally the top selling console. In 2007-2010 the Wii was globally the top selling console. In 2011-2013 the PS3 was globally the top selling console

There was never a point where Xbox 360 was on top.

[kenwonobi]

Oh god. Here we go again. Everything is a rise from death for Xbox. No there is no rise. It's dead. The generation is past half way over and a huge PS4 lead. Insurmountable.

[EpicSandwich]

Ps4 took the win against xbox one but scorpio is going to bend over the ps4, pspro and xbox one.

Goldby
And lol?

[Goldby]

but it's a new generation and not tie3d to xbox one sales. that what you said above. so i guess you'll have no competition for about a year or so before sony or Nintendo jump into next gen

[kraenk12]

Even PS4 and regular PS4 games will beat the Scorpio...you'll see.

[LordMaim]

Xbox will rise again? When did they fall exactly?

[FreddyFazbear]

More like when did they become on top??

[fllysurfer]

Add to the title “… in price”.

The only (almost) certain thing is that it´s price will rise. If it becomes dominant in the console race (which is debatable, because Xbox outside the US doesn’t sell as well as Playstation), it will only be a balancing out of this generation. Just like the 360 and PS3 life spans. They ended out balancing themselves toward the end.

[EpicSandwich]

"Personally I think Bloodborne and Uncharted 4 are the standouts, but the rest have been… thoroughly average."

It's not just trolls or people who hate Sony who says this but most people think that uncharted and Bloodborne are really the only two good games on ps4 it's just that most of their exclusives this gen have been disappointing. I would love some good multiplayer games or even a good new racer from Sony, they need to change it up abit and show more variety in their lineup.

[FreddyFazbear]

Seriously these xbox fanatics both journalists and consumers or even employees i may add are really reaching here are they? They are like the Hydra, no matter how they got beaten over and over they still seem to continue their propaganda.

[Artemidorus]

Microsoft have an opportunity to win people like myself over. Xbox One has gone through large changes in a small period of time.

Make the powerful console with fresh new ideas for games and it maybe worth checking out.

[Masta Kaos]

I don't see Xbox Scorpio beat PS4 Pro...To be honest the Pro will dominate because of the price.

[RiPPn]

My current perception is that Microsoft is listening to the community and basically bending over backward for them as tends to be the case with the company lagging behind.

Meanwhile, Sony is denying mods, raising the price of PS+, and not moving forward with cross console play, though I understand why they have no incentive to do so, it still comes off as a negative toward the community..

I believe if these trends continue you could very well see Microsoft winning NPD's month after month, but it isn't to late for either trend to change course so no one can say for sure.

[Segata]

Maybe stop caring how much a system sells to determine how much you enjoy it. My Vita,WiiU,Saturn,Dreamcast I preferred to the more popular systems because where I had the most fun. Let MS and Sony and Nintendo worry about who sold the most in September. It adds nothing to us the consumer.

[jordan8445]

Spot at the top? The Xbox was outsold by the PS2 and the 360 was outsold by the PS3.

[EpicSandwich]

360 outsold ps3

[kraenk12]

In one year where PS3 wasn't out yet...yeah.

[cyber_daemonx]

"Xbox will rise again" and then I woke up.

[angelusbrz]

Xbox fanboys are still believing as strong as they can but it's impossible, even Scoprio will release in more than a year and Microsoft has no exclusives anymore, it's time to let it go people.

[meche334]

Saying they have no exclusives is like saying ps4 has no exclusives because the games are gonna be on the ps4 pro. You know why? Because these so called non xbox exclusives are only playable apart of the windows10/xbox ecosystem they're combined. Just like the ps ecosystem with ps3 ps4 and ps4 pro. Xbox is apart of the windows 10 ecosystem. But when the game goes to steam its different because the game no longer uses the service of Xbox. Im open to explanations of why im wrong. PS: I dont think its gonna overtake ps sales wise.

[EpicSandwich]

Using logic won't work, these guys have the brain capacity of a gold fish.

[Lonnie18]

OMG this seem like the Xbot's are trying to rally each other lol.

[2cents]

Yeah, things sure do look positive for Team Xbox.

[gigoran]

Microsoft is releasing a next gen system years before its competition. oh yeah. its gonna wim big... that is until sony releases its real next gen system at the right time and blows it out of the water

[EpicSandwich]

But then ms will Counter it one year later with scorpio 2 😂😂😂
28514;

[MagicBeanz]

LOL, *facepalm

[Teh_Leviathan]

Why does it have to be about who beats who?

I'm a gamer. While I prefer Xbox, I don't care which console I play on.

[Brohan]

Let's hear all the fan boy bullshit about Sonys PlayStation.

[Captain_Tom]

Haha "Tepid"!

When Mom and Dad's walk into the Best Buy this fall they will see a PS4 with double the storage and over double the performance for $399. Let's see how well it sells before we give too much credit to the internet warriors around here.

[jznrpg]

To 2nd or 3rd place as usual

[corroios]

Of course. By the time the scorpio is launch there will be 60 plus millions ps4 \ pro sold. But i believe i can fly and touch the sky, lol.

[Phill-Spencer]

Xbox will be on top when Sony stops producing ps4 and doesn't release any future consoles.

[Tzuno]

I imagine a huge green pentagram and fanboys with green monk clothes chanting in circle riiiiiiiseeeee, riiiiseee lord of 900pees riiiiiseee in 4kaaaa, riseeeeeee the priceeeeee, rise the hyyypeeeeee, riiiiiseeeee.

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

the console market NEEDS close competition. not sure why so many people want ms to completely fail when there's nothing else that can challenge sony right now. you're not much of a gamer if you can't see the negatives having only one console on the market.

[Shadow0fTheDog]

That's exactly it. They do battle and gamers win

[NextGenCeo]

Actually i don't know 'Xbox will Rise again' but i know one thing for sure.

PC gaming and PC cases 'Will Rise Again'
Because every single Microsoft studio games or 3th party Xbox Games coming to Windows 10 with DX12.

So on that point even i'm Playstation guy will getting in a month 700$ PC case with GTX 1070 and Core I7. I just get last month motherboard and memory so next month my system is ready! For what?

For Play Xbox games on my Home PC system :) So i don't know Xbox Rise or fall but PC will Rise I'm pretty sure. Because steam selling games cheaper than Xbox Live or PSN store.

Same time i can play PC exclusive and Xbox Exclusive games and same time i can do my home cinema network system at my living room.

Xbox not a console anymore that's why, it is a small case really good looking nice PC case that's all.

(ESL Guy here so sorry for English)

[Ijustplayem]

The PlayStation brand has a larger audience MS would have to do something amazing and at the same time Sony has to do something completely f'd up for Xbox to catch up. I'm a PC gamer but I do own an Xbox. And to me MS offers the better exclusives. Gears, Halo, and Forza are always top notch. The only game I would like to play on PS is the last of us.

[kingmushroom]

And crash even harder

[InTheZoneAC]

Just think, if Xbox 360 didn't release first before PS3 NONE of these articles would exist. Either way, at the end of the day if you're an Xbox fan you've only supported M$'s terrible ways/support since then.

M$ is going all out with the Scorpio and betting big that it will attract old buyers, fresh new buyers, and consumers from other consoles as well. The problem is this system is going to be in the $500-$600 range, and although I'd be fine with that for the performance it offers, MAJORITY of the people out there will not accept that. MS cannot afford to take a loss on this console. Technically they could it, but that would spell the end of the division once that generation is over. Scorpio is going need to sell at least as much as Xbone has and that's going to be very difficult if the price isn't right for them, REGARDLESS of whatever up to date future tech power it comes with.

And I can't leave out a key part. MS is also betting that Nintendo and the NX stay irrelevant. If their new system does anything right for probably 40-50% of the cost of the Scorpio you can forget about long term success for them.

[TheMutator]

LOL

[Max-Zorin]

It was never on top to begin with. The world outside of the U.S. laughs at the Xbox and it's fan base.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

*article positive about Xbox comes out

*hundreds of Sony fanboys attack it

[Lulz_Boat]

yeah... lol... ok..

[zodiac909]

This is the cheesiest article title since the days of ps3 vs 360

[SojournUK]

I didn't think it was dead?

Mine works well (as does my ps4) #NotTakingSides

[etownone]

I have both... But always preferred Xbox.

I was going to buy ps4 pro.. Just to have every game 1080p and 60fps.... But I heard Sony won't be allowing that.

So.. Just waiting on Xbox Scorpio

[daynnight365]

You would figure I'd be in heaven here at N4G with all the other sony fans, but it's strange bc I don't get that feeling.
Sony has hit bumps in the road before, I can admit that, but ppl here have an excuse for everything sony does, and it rubs me the wrong way.
Look, I love PS, but they ain't perfect. And I want to see MS do good as well even tho my allegiance lies with sony

[Ben12]

Nows the chance throw in 12 gigs gddr ram also sell at a slight loss 399.99 and watch as Scorpio stings it's way to the top paralyzing sony. Wooooooohaha yes xbox will once again rule woooohahaha.

[ccgr]

Time will tell, looking forward to the Scorpio launch

[Father__Merrin]

im predicting project scorpio to be the next gen xbox, ie launching way before the ps5

[Night99]

Yes Uncharted is a way overrated trash IP I was bored to dead by Uncharted 2 and 3 the same way as the guy who wrote this article but the other things in this article I really don't share. I don't think that Xbox ever can beat Playstation, the sole existence of Japan makes this almost impossible Playstation has such a huge advantage in this country even if this market is not that big as it once was Playstation still has at least a 10 till 15 Million lead only with the Japan market alone.

[airforcex]

It won't come close to catching up (globally) but will finish strong in the US.

[feraldrgn]

"reclaim their spot at the top?"

When has that ever happened?

[Jayszen]

Xbox 360 could not beat PS3 when Sony had quite a few missteps and despite being released over a year earlier. From the start, the PS4 has been selling more than the Xbox One at an average ratio of 2 to 1 and that is based on the dubious figures given by Microsoft about the Xbone shipped units. The difference is likely to be higher if the figures were based on accurate numbers and it is likely that the PS4, PS Pro will total over 55 million by years end if not more.

One can only reclaim something if it were lost in the first place and Xbox was never on top, certainly not outside of the USA (except in the UK on certain occasions). Globally, the Playstation brand is bigger and more trusted because gamers have always trusted Sony to release exclusive games from many of their excellent studios. This is not something new as it has been the case from the days of PS1.

[Trekster_Gamer]

Dumb article...
I own both consoles and imagine many other gamers do at this point. I like certain games/features on both.

[Redx165]

Sorry but Xbox ain't coming close to PlayStation. Infact Xbox has never been in the same league as PlayStation. Has never won a console generation.

[EpicSandwich]

Last gen bro 360 destroyed the ps3

[Redx165]

Yet PS3 beat 360.

Heck the Wii won last generation. Microsoft has never came close to winning a console generation...

[coreyweb]

Who cares.....I hope Scorpio does really well. And I hope Playstation continues to do well......and I hope cross platform play becomes a thing......product wars are for infants.

[Kallisti]

Have fun with your "exclusives"

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

Look i love Xbox but Xbox is not going to outsell Xbox. Its just not going to happen and results are pretty clear about that.

[DivineAssault]

Maybe it will but not this gen.. Scorpio wont be a glorious comeback all of a sudden unless its priced exactly like the pro and people get rid of their PS4's (which is highly unlikely).. Sony gets exclusives like nobody else and thats why it sells the most.. MS will not gain the majority of the market share this gen even if the scorpio runs 3rd party games better than the pro because its not about that alone.. Its also about exclusive titles.. Japan doesnt support xbox as much as ps.. That being said, scorpio isnt useless because i might purchase it if it has a 4K blu ray player and the 3rd party smokes the pro.. My friends have PS4's though so its highly unlikely ill care too much.. Also, there isnt much in terms of exclusives i want that MS gets.. Im much more likely to get a PC if i want my games to look/run the best they can.. Next gen its possible MS can make a comeback and get the US under control but they lost this gen and it wont get it back.. They lost last gen when sony was at its worst so i doubt it will be making a comeback unless they start getting some really BA exclusive games.. Just like the OG xbox was more powerful than PS2, it wont matter without the games.. Matter of fact, the situation might be worse due to the fact devs like bioware are no longer exclusive to them.. Sony gets damn near the same exact 3rd party and more..