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GS News Update: Xbox One DRM/online controversy "hurt me personally" says Phil Spencer

New Xbox head responds to last-years criticism of the Xbox One, but says that their system is built "for the right reasons."

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GeofferyPeterson3716d ago

I know other things that would like to personally hurt him too.

Kingthrash3603716d ago

now, now. no violence.
but is it me or is he now the top pr guy?
i mean he's the boss of xbox but he spends most his time talking about how sorry he is and how he was "hurt" about the drm and such policies.
like damage control mixed with sympathy or somethin.
we, know you stood quiet and defended the policies back then. we can see you "feel bad" for it.
but the more you pull the sympathy card the more i begin to think your just saying it to get them customers who's trust you lost back. like you really dont care nor are you "hurt ". sure didn't hurt back then when you cashed your check.
you are the boss now..and a gamer boss at that and thats good...so please enough with the sorry card and bring on the games.

Ritsujun3716d ago

Don't give up, MS!!!!!!!!!

GarrusVakarian3716d ago (Edited 3716d ago )

Sorry Phil, im liking your new direction for Xbox and you are saying all the right things that gamer wanna hear....but we aren't stupid. You were 110% behind DRM. I find it hard to believe that it hurt you on a personal level.

Gazondaily3716d ago

@Lukas

Maybe he was towing the company line as he is supposed to. It's not like he could say, I think its a bad idea. You think he would be the head of Xbox today if he did that lol?

Phil Spencer actually wasn't all vocal about the whole DRM thing either at the time as much as Larry Hyrb and Don Mattrick were on it.

GarrusVakarian3716d ago (Edited 3716d ago )

@Septic

Oh yeah, of course, he had no choice but to go along with it, even if he didn't like it. But as other people have mentioned, he surely knew beforehand the backlash that would ensue due to those anti-consumer policies.

This is just PR talk, anyone who really believes that he was hurt on a personal level from DRM backlash needs to re-evaluate their view on a company who is there to make money off of you. Same goes for anyone who is head over heels in love with any of the higher-ups Sony.

Imalwaysright3716d ago (Edited 3716d ago )

Lukas Do you know him personally? Did you talk with him on this subject? If not how did you arrive to that conclusion? If yes forget what I just said.

Edit All I got from that is that in your mind, Phil or anyone that works for a company isn't allowed to have his/her own values and has to agree with everything the higher ups do or else... Things aren't always black and white.

Gazondaily3716d ago (Edited 3716d ago )

"This is just PR talk, anyone who really believes that he was hurt on a personal level from DRM backlash needs to re-evaluate their view on a company who is there to make money off of you. "

Oh yeah I always take statements like that with a pinch of salt.

He's has worked hard and clawed his way up MS to the position he is at now. Only now does have the reins on the direction for the Xbox brand. The corporate suits simply didn't get it and maybe, instead of this 'personal hurt', he was thinking 'wtf man...these guys don't get it'.

Phil Spencer gets it, hence why MS have resorted to putting him in charge. Personal hurt or not, I'm sure he was dismayed at MS' earlier policies or at least frustrated at they way the went about dealing with it.

GarrusVakarian3716d ago (Edited 3716d ago )

@Septic

"instead of this 'personal hurt', he was thinking 'wtf man...these guys don't get it'. "

Definitely. When that whole DRM fiasco was happening, i could definitely tell that MS thought they were in the right.

I dunno...call me cynical, but i just can't believe that an exec for MS could feel hurt on a personal level by the reactions from gamers over those DRM policies. Part of his job right now is to steer the Xbox brand in the right direction, i see quotes like the above as attempts of doing that, not as sincere statements.

@Imalwaysright

"All I got from that is that in your mind, Phil or anyone that works for a company isn't allowed to have his/her own values "

No. Of course higher-ups are just people too.....i'm not calling Phil an empty husk of a man who is *only* interested in my wallet. But as i said above, look at his current job title and the things MS are recovering from in relationship to the things he is saying.

truefan13716d ago (Edited 3716d ago )

Gosh dangit Phil, quit sucking up to these ps4 fans it's starting to sound pathetic. I never even had a problem with drm to begin with. Sony released a statement months ago saying over 90% of their users were connected, we'll I would expect it to be even higher for XB1. Stop making MSFT into a pathetic company, I would rather you guys have the bully stigma. Releasing all these updates and improving the console is what is gaining the momentum, not these pathetic apologies. Just let it go and focus on kicking a$$ at E3, that is how you win over the couple of gamers lost. About 16 million consoles in when over 200 million are bought. Over 90% of gamers have no idea what drm is, hell I just learned when i started reading gaming websites. All in all XB1 has been a blast to own and is getting better everyday, focus on that.

PS i like Phil alot, but I hate this sucking up to ps4 fans.

@those below me, who else would he be talking to, XB1 fans bought the console anyway, the Wii U was already out for months, so that leaves ps4 fans and those who switched. One apology was all that was needed, in my world constant apologies make you look weak. This has nothing to do with me being bitter it's truth, focus on the freaking future instead of reminding everyone about a blunder in the past. These are video games no one was hurt, he has apologized like someone was hurt lol.

For the longest time pc games have had a cd-key and no one complains. You guys call yourselves gamers, but then resale games or rent them. Just look at those infamous sales as proof.

@lukas you said so many dumb things I won't try to explain them all.

DragonKnight3716d ago (Edited 3716d ago )

Phil is the one that said they were 100% committed to the original vision AFTER the DRM was removed, now he's saying that the controversy and backlash over it hurt him personally? Yeah right Phil.

Actions speak louder than words. You say you're about the games, then work to prove it, but if the DRM comes back like you implied it's going to, remember that no one will forget a day like today.

For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about.

http://www.theguardian.com/...

@truefan1: I've seen a lot of stupid written in comments before, but your comment really takes the cake. The idea you Xbox fanboys have that ONLY Sony fans had a problem with the DRM (and the disturbing reality that you DON'T have a problem with it, like so many Xbox fanboys) is not only wrong, it's laughable. The DRM was a problem for pretty much everyone but the most hardcore of Microsoft fanboys, that's why it was changed. Not because of Sony fans, but because of the overwhelming majority of gamers who do NOT want a corporation telling them what they can do with their games, and do NOT want their single player, offline games ceasing to function if Kinect wasn't connected and a network connection wasn't established.

The DRM was B.S. and even people in a vegetative state were against it.

GarrusVakarian3716d ago (Edited 3716d ago )

@Truefan1

Wow.

" I would rather you guys have the bully stigma"

" quit sucking up to these ps4 fans it's starting to sound pathetic."

You openly admit to rather having MS be BULLIES?! And your second quote just goes to show that all you care about is getting one-ups over Sony and Sony fans, it doesn't even say anywhere in the article that his statement was directed at PS4 fans, your mind is so jaded. How can you call yourself a gamer? I pity you, truly. You are so bitter and so poisonous about *everything*.

Also, don't try and make out that he is apologising to PS4 fans only, as if it was only PS4 fans who had a problem with the DRM. I was 95% a 360 gamer last gen, i hadn't even made up my mind about which console i was going to get first until i heard about the DRM. It went against everything i believed in as a gamer, so i went with PS4 first. Only someone as ignorant as you would believe that there weren't gamers from BOTH camps who were strongly against those power hungry, controlling, anti-consumer policies.

"Sony released a statement months ago saying over 90% of their users were connected, we'll I would expect it to be even higher for XB1. "

So what? That same 90% of people now have the option trade, sell, borrow their games at will and can play them offline or online, because gamers stood up for themselves. I am beyond glad that it turned out the way it did. The negatives for the consumer heavily outweighed the positives. The people who had the most to gain from DRM were MS and publishers.

They tricked people like you into thinking that having almost no control over the things you purchase is better than the freedom we have had for decades. And for what?....not having to get up and change discs....the ability to have a nice digital library? Screw that, i want 1000% control over the things i buy, i don't want a multi-billion dollar company telling me when i can and can't play my X1, or that i can't trade my games in for other games or cash.

morganfell3716d ago

Apparently the DRM controversy didn't hurt him as much as his paycheck made him feel good.

He can say what he wishes and some people will swallow it but the fact is the matter wasn't so important that his personal beliefs were not for sale.

GarrusVakarian3716d ago (Edited 3716d ago )

Also@ Treufan1

" quit sucking up to these ps4 fans it's starting to sound pathetic"

I thought about the above quote further and it doesn't even make sense...think about it, what possible reason would the XBOX HEAD have to "suck up" to PS4 fans? If he was sucking up, it would be to his fanbase.....not to the opposition who don't even own that console.

Your comment just reeks of someone who's is beyond bitter with anything Playstation, to accuse your own head of Xbox of sucking up to the opposition. Spinning Phils comment to create a dig at PS4 fans.....crazy.

Eonjay3716d ago

@truefan1

You get a lot of resistance because your comments come across as manic. I was never the biggest fan of Xbox but I am not in love with Sony. I don't exist to serve them and make them feel happy. I am not their bitch. When Sony makes a mistake we don't give them a free pass (sometimes I think we are too hard on them but whatever... it comes with the job). Just because you fell to your knees before Microsoft told you to bend over doesn't mean that anyone else wants to walk that path of corporate worship.

The only thing that seems to upset you is an admission by Microsoft that striping property rights was a bad idea.

AceBlazer133716d ago (Edited 3716d ago )

Phil, your the 1 guy at Xbox I can tolerate but I know bullshit when I see it.Only thing that hurt you personally was what your paycheck would've been.

Looking at truefan's comment, how can anyone say Xbox fanboys aren't the worst.

Damn i reread truefan's comment and it's killing me a bit inside. I've read and made some dumbass comments on here but this guy took the cake and ate it.

Gekko363716d ago

@lukas

DRM is not the bogeyman!. I do NOT care about selling games, sharing games or buying second hand games.

You may feel that I am being selfish, but I don't care about children wanting to trade either. My 2 boys buy games new and they stay on the shelf until they feel like playing them again.

The benefits of sharing online and running games without the disk were great for us.

So these issues are not what you wanted when you were going to buy your Xbox One and you either chose a PC or the Sony Branded Competitor.

The point is for all of the core fans that squealed and ranted and had tantrums on the floor, there were people like me who couldn't care less.

We buy our games new and don't sell them
We were happy to share games in a Friends list
We weren't interested in trading in
24 Hour Check... We weren't bothered
Kinect spying us while fooling around with my husband (gay marriage...what can you do!) Fine, go for it, we were never interested... We are Welsh.

All of those things that upset people like you, didn't bother us at all.

The fact that is bothered you is irrelevant to us. We don't know you nor do we care what you own.

As a parent, I'll buy what ever my kids want. So when they ask for an Xbox One for the Winter Solstice, we bought it without question and didn't care if there was anti consumerism attached. The boys would be playing games and having a laugh which is the point of a TOY.

Eonjay3716d ago (Edited 3716d ago )

Gekko36

You make an interesting point. I disagreed though because I also buy new. I believe in supporting developers but I only buy new if its available. However, I still respect the rights of all consumers besides myself. I supported the removal of Microsoft Draconian used game policy because it is my right to trade or sell my property as I see fit. I choose not buy used but I do not relinquish my right to do so and I support other people who choose to sell their property.

It is principal. Its yours, You bought it. Companies are always looking at ways to take your property away from you. Because there are rights you have as an individual to your property. The threat of shutting down a game console for not checking in means that the Xbox wouldn't be yours either. I might have been okay with keeping mine always online, but I refuse to do so under threat. Its mine. I paid for it. Its my property.

christocolus3716d ago (Edited 3716d ago )

@septic

I totally agree. Phil was a lot more quiet during that whole issue. I dont blame those who supported it back then either cos Don was the boss and they had no option than to go with it.

There is no doubt about this. MS has seen the error of their ways and have recognised Phils genuine commitment and positive efforts to the brand. Julie liarson worked with him briefly too and i guess she had great things to say about the guy to the new CEO. Phil is a great guy and all he says isnt always about pr imo if people will accuse him of that then let it be same for all the beloved sony and nintendo execs too.

MeLoveRamen3716d ago

yea I think that phi is now the new top pr guy and thats a smart move from a business stand point. he is probably the only guy that talks to xboys about they things they want to talk about. But for me it doesn't really matter how much pr they do i probably will never buy the xbox1 until Microsoft can show me that they can support their platform for a whole generation, so maybe the next xbox if Microsoft hits all the right notes with it.

-Foxtrot3716d ago (Edited 3716d ago )

@christocolus

Quiet? Phil has been making his mouth go the most SINCE the Xbox One reveal. If you look before the reveal you hardly ever saw Phil go on as much as this.

I highly doubt he was hurt by it, just something he wants to say so guliable gamers will be like

"Oh man Phil was really hurt by the Xbox Ones old vision, god I'm so glad he's in charge of the Xbox division now, since he's relating to me as a gamer I might trust MS now"

It's basically the reason why he was picked to be the head of Xbox....trust. Microsoft needed someone to front their "For the gamers" strategy after the "Kinect, TV, Sports, all in one device" wasn't working so they got the only guy in the Xbox branch gamers would listen to the most...Phil Spencer. That is why he's the head now, to front a turn around campaign, telling us what we want to hear. What he's just said is a perfect example of that.

Just think of everything Phil has said over the past month, do you really think all this would of worked as well if they got another suit like Don Mattrick?

@Imalwaysright

"Lukas Do you know him personally? Did you talk with him on this subject?"

lol...can't you say the exact same for people actually believing 100% into his PR talk?

maniacmayhem3716d ago

I watch a lot of House of Cards and other type of shows of that nature. I wouldn't be surprised of these guys (the Phil's) let Mattrick go ahead with the DRM vision knowing full well it wouldn't work just to push that guy out and get them in a better place.

Yea, I know, huge stretch.

Anyways, what hurt them the most wasn't the DRM it's that none of these guys had a clear precise answer when asked about DRM. Nobody knew the details. Harrison was saying one thing about trade-ins while Larry Hyrb was saying another. Then you had Mattrick being a complete dick by saying "get a 360", Adam Orth fired, and everyone in between skirting the subject.

Console gamers are not ready for this type of DRM. For MS to force it on their user base all at once and especially coming off of the Sim City ordeal should have been a huge hint for them. In Fact having to get rid of Orth should have had alarms going off.

Well anyways Phil needs to put this behind him and move forward. He admitted it was a mistake, so there should be no need for him to dwell on it.

gaffyh3716d ago

What I've noticed with Phil recently, he is commenting on anything in order to come out as "looking good", and is promising things, even if by hinting, that are probably nowhere near to happening.

kreate3715d ago

He was hurt by the outcry.
Not becuz he thinks the original policy was annoying.

HonestDragon3715d ago (Edited 3715d ago )

We will have to see what Phil Spencer does, but he still has a long way to go before everyone can consider his statements to be genuine. Cautious reservation is key here.

@ truefan1

I know you don't make any effort to hide your Microsoft fanboyism or hatred for Sony, but your comments here are beyond asinine.

"...quit sucking up to these ps4 fans it's starting to sound pathetic."

I highly doubt Spencer is trying to accommodate PS4 owners. At this point in time, I'm sure anyone who has bought a new generation console has already made their choice. What I believe Spencer is trying to do is tell gamers that he will take Xbox One in a more favorable direction so gamers don't feel isolated. Granted, it still sounds like a positive PR quote, but it's something.

"Stop making MSFT into a pathetic company, I would rather you guys have the bully stigma."

I agree with Lukas on this. You WANT Microsoft to be BULLIES?! The hell is wrong with you?

"Over 90% of gamers have no idea what drm is, hell I just learned when i started reading gaming websites."

Ninety percent, huh? Any source to prove that? Instead of pulling fictional facts out of your rear end, why don't you admit that in the internet age it's impossible for gamers to not know what DRM is. Sim City, Diablo III, World of Warcraft, League of Legends, Steam, and the original Xbox One DRM have all been covered from top to bottom. I find it difficult to believe that ninety percent of gamers don't know what DRM is.

"For the longest time pc games have had a cd-key and no one complains. You guys call yourselves gamers, but then resale games or rent them."

That is because computers are practically used for anything and everything involving the internet. It took awhile for games to be sold digitally and have DRM on PC, but it eventually got there because everyone is online anyway. These are consoles we are talking about. I grew up in the age of when sharing games and bringing over consoles was commonplace and it still is to this day.

I don't want to be told when and where I can play my games. I don't want pointless peripherals bundled with my system. I don't want companies telling me what to do with the products I buy. I want my consumer rights intact. But apparently you are content with being told what to do and how to think. All for what? To be able to control your entertainment system with your voice and buy things digitally? Grown out of using a remote control or swapping physical discs have we?

HonestDragon3715d ago

@ Gekko36

Reading your comments, it's clear to me that you are an Xbox fanboy and possibly even a racist. The things you say about the Japanese are undeniably offensive. Go ahead and look at his comment history. It's ripe with forced bigotry.

"I do NOT care about selling games, sharing games or buying second hand games."

Yet, later on in your comment, you mention about the benefits of sharing games online. So...you DO care in some capacity.

"The point is for all of the core fans that squealed and ranted and had tantrums on the floor, there were people like me who couldn't care less."

And that is why people like you scare me. So blindingly willing to let companies step all over you. So long as you can get your precious products, you don't care how it affects the video game market or careers.

"As a parent, I'll buy what ever my kids want. So when they ask for an Xbox One for the Winter Solstice, we bought it without question and didn't care if there was anti consumerism attached."

Then you clearly need to do more research when buying your children something. If you simply buy them whatever they want, I highly question your parenting skills just as much as I question your judgments on buying products without any thought or care. This is also why the ESRB is so adamant that parents educate themselves.

Giul_Xainx3715d ago (Edited 3715d ago )

This is a mixed up feeling article. Still not interested in even reading it.

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Charybdis3716d ago (Edited 3716d ago )

Can't even imagine the amount of personal threats the guy received after microsoft DRM policy reveal. Fan boys can push it too far.

He has been at his new position as head of the xbox devision for a week I am glad to see that his focus is on games and listening to gamers. Since he has been in his new position for a week I hope to see some more changes soon. Pretty sure that there are people already expecting major changes of policies and reveals after one week but it might take a few more weeks before show and tell and any changes might be implemented.

Eonjay3716d ago

Well, to be honest, as head of Xbox his job is to run a profitable business. This means managing their studios, hardware, partnerships, customer relations, promotions, and the budget that they all must exist within.

Utalkin2me3716d ago

He new the feedback that he and MS was going to get from that. It was speculated and rumored all of long, prior to the showing of Xbox1. But did phil or MS change it? No they did not, not until more people spoke out about not getting the machine and Sony was in the drivers seat.

OldGirl3716d ago (Edited 3716d ago )

So well said. Everyone knew it was coming long before the Xbox One was even released or even announced for that matter. The uproar was just as big but did Microsoft care then or only when they saw the direct feedback would impact sales when they actually revealed the console?

Clearly the latter of the two.

ceedubya93716d ago

In Phil's defense, he wasn't exactly in a position to change anything. Now he is, and we will see how things go from here.

esemce3716d ago

Yep they saw the PS4 pre order and thought 'we dun f**cked up' That's what made everyone at Microsoft feel personally hurt.

MS show their true colours and they proved they were all about the profit/greed and not the gamers or the games industry.

k3rn3ll3716d ago

Sony changed their stance on the issue following the xbox keynote. Simple as that. They were going to introduce the same policies as well but had the good fortune of being one day later on schedule. Simple as that

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Magnes3716d ago

It's called growing a pair, people stand up for what they believe in all the time. How many times have you heard about people with creative differences leaving a company, must not have hurt him to bad.

OC_MurphysLaw3716d ago

Growing a pair said person with "a user name" on the internet. LOL

k3rn3ll3716d ago

If anything you just backed the dude by saying he believes in xbox. As he has said all along and immediately following e3 uproar said he didn't care the way xbox unveiled policies as they didn't do a good job explaining positives. Dude is the real deal. Its not like he couldn't go elsewhere and make money. The fact that he stuck around shows he's a good guy

kenshiro1003716d ago

truefan...learn something called paragraphs. And seriously, that's a really dumb comment.

Blaze9293716d ago

honestly I still don't know why we can have some of the DRM features like Game Share returning.

I had no issues with the original Xbox plan. Just funny how people who never even intended to buy it - cried so loud and made them change.

Not everyone had a problem with it...but hey, keep holding technology advancements back for "personal" values

rainslacker3715d ago

What's even funnier is all those Xbox fans out there that probably would have brought it that weren't pre-ordering the system that made MS change as well. I bet the people at MS were laughing hysterically over how hilarious that way.

SoulSercher6203715d ago (Edited 3715d ago )

Is that why the preorder numbers were so lopsided in PS4's favor because of ONLY people who were never gonna buy the Xbox One?

You seem to forget that MS didn't take down the DRM policies after E3 even after the huge outcry from gamers including Xbox loyalists, so they repaid their ignorance by preordering the PS4 instead. The only people that DIDN'T have a problem with DRM were the diehard Xbox fanboys who supported the policies simply because it was MS. After MS saw that huge difference they had no choice but to change them or risk being phased out.

DRM policies like that are a cancer to gaming and shouldn't be supported by anyone. Ever.

randomass1713716d ago

"I know other things that would like to personally hurt him too."

Ouch dude. Really?

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Eonjay3716d ago

There seemed to be a huge disconnect between what Don Mattrick's vision for Xbox was versus consumer interest period. That being said, I believe that EA was looking to Microsoft to lead the charge. What I find curious is that Microsoft wasn't better prepared in light of hate that was flung at EA for their DRM debacles. EA knows it can't go it alone because Activision would eat them alive, so they sacrificed Microsoft up to Sony. And Microsoft fell for it.

So, lets hope Microsoft got a good deal for Titanfall because I believe that EA is the real culprit here. At the time of the E3 reveal, the DRM was still a go and that is where EA wanted Titanfall.

Volkama3716d ago

EA had their controversies, but I'd say the best case study MS could have followed was Activision's Diablo 3. The internet blew a gasket over the online requirement on that one.

EA, Activision, Ubisoft and any other publisher stood to benefit from an always online console, which is pretty much the reason you know it is still only a matter of time.

Kavorklestein3716d ago (Edited 3716d ago )

Even still, an entire console having DRM makes more sense than one dungeon-crawling title does.
I am not for DRM, but it makes sense why people were mad about something like Diablo 3 having drm Lol like it really needed it when despite how heavily pirated Diablo 2 was, it has always been considered a game that sold very well. They really didn't need to be worried about the long awaited sequel to D2 selling like hotcakes.

Volkama3716d ago

Honestly I don't think Bliz were doing it purely as a DRM measure. I think their ploy is more in-line with Activision's philosophy. People need to be connected if they are going to continue spending money after buying the game. It was all done for that real money auction house, which happily was not a success story.

I am very curious indeed (and kinda scared) to see how Activision plan to monetise Destiny beyond the initial box price....

Godmars2903716d ago

Wasn't he right in the thick of the DRM mess? Promoting and defending it right along with Nelson?

For the little it means to the coming disagrees I'm really not trying to knock the guy, but given how MS went into the issue seemingly so strongly and so self-assured, its going nigh impossible to turn things around overnight. Not when they looking for solutions from the old guard who were behind everything. And that's exactly how the Xbox camp seems to be acting.

MightyNoX3716d ago

Indeed, he was. You have to understand though, MS' suits are more akin to politicians than actual gamers (some of Sony or Nintendo's have a history of programming), so when a politician gets caught in a scandal, he lies and pretends he had nothing to do with it.

miyamoto3716d ago (Edited 3716d ago )

Oh yeah hurt my arse!

More like " I am too stupid to hurt myself."

This dude just said like
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Wasn't he with Don Mattress when they did the whole thing!?

He is acting like he had no knowledge of what Xbox One is before launch. Such hypocrisy.

Now Spencer is playing Pontius Pilate.
Spencer's hands were stained with all these anti-consumer shenanigans.

stuna13716d ago

Mighty, you could not have put it any better! In the gaming community there are 2 types of people who influence it from the onset, those who politicize it, and those who actually have a background in it and enjoy it! Although they can have the same end goals of profiting from it in the long run, I think it all comes down to priority.

B-radical3716d ago

You can't work for a company and speak against a console you are trying to sell.

don matrick was the biggest douche when it came too dmr

Godmars2903716d ago

Taking about the policies surrounding the console. Ones which were not only painfully obvious in their pro-corporatist/anti-consumeri sm, but had plenty of examples for how the key gamer market would react to them.Sure it still would have taken a lot of balls to speak out against something MS as a whole seems to favor, to be that one decanting voice, and by all counts Spencer gives no example that he tried to be one except in hindsight.

And now well after the fact he after being steeped well into the mentality he supposedly fully understands and will solve the problem? Not just say what needs to be said to move product?

rainslacker3715d ago

I agree. They really need to keep bringing it up. I know the Sony fan boys will always bring it up even into the next generation. However, it's not helping that he keeps bringing it up as a talking point. Phil's mentioned it several times in the past month. And the same arguments keep being made on why MS was wrong for what they did.

Hicken3715d ago

It'll keep being brought up, anyway, as long as there are people like some in here who even say they were fine with the drm. As long as folks like that populate gaming forums, hell bent on defending stupid practices, people will keep bringing the subject up.

And Microsoft will be the ones to suffer.

KingPin3716d ago

Xbox One DRM/online controversy "hurt me personally" says Phil Spencer

Thats after he borrowed a friends game and realised he wasn't one of the ten "friends and family" that could share the game.

HappyWithOneBubble3716d ago

Oh please who you think you fooling jive turkey.

PsychOff3716d ago

Lol jive turkey always makes laugh, honestly just the word turkey does. Always makes me think of them gobbling. Gobble, gobble, gobble!

Sounds so funny when they do it.

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Phil Spencer Confirms More Xbox Games Will Come To Other Platforms

Phil Spencer confirms that more Xbox games will be available on new platforms during a new interview after Xbox Showcase.

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shadowT7h ago

Starfield, Hellblade 2 and Halo...

Cacabunga4h ago

Perfect Dark and Gears and the game with the girl and the huge croc

Eonjay3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

That last article where everyone is having a baby over a showcase is ridiculous because the Xbox showcase was really a multiplat showcase...

MrBaskerville2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

@Eonjay

I think people are just happy that they gave us something to be excited about. It being multiplatform stuff makes it even easier to rejoice as everyone gets to enjoy it. This show was really what Summerfest should have been, just with less of an xbox focus obviously.

These shows are fun to watch because we get to be excited about new games.

With that said, I imagine Perfect Dark, South of Midnight and perhaps state of decay 1-3 would be possible candidates for ps5. Doom might also be a given. They didn't really try to hammer home its exclusivity.

Eonjay2h ago

@MrBaskerville

Totally agree. I did enjoy SGF though unlike the majority. My personal taste is more eclectic than most. I found stuff at each show to enjoy.

Cacabunga34m ago

Eon

Come on man, yes it’s multi but as a PS5 and switch owner i enjoyed the show yesterday far more than i did with State of Play.
Most announcements came from nowhere to me, and MGS was a massive surprise to finally see some gameplay.
I’m excited to play some of the games on PS5 one day!

Like i said earlier credit where credit is due.

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MajorLazer2h ago

Elder Scrolls 6 for PS5, please. Also I'd like the Forza franchise, I owned all four of the OG motorsport titles and FM4 is still one of, if not my favourite racing game ever.

RaiderNation2h ago

The two Ori games as well. I have a feeling those will get announced too.

italiangamer7h ago

Satya Nadella wants that PlayStation's money, Phil Spinster now is as relevant as MySpace

purple1016h ago

Phil Spencer (February 15th 2024):

"Looking forward so 4 games no promise beyond that, so if you're on those other platforms and you see these four games coming please don't take it as some signal that everything is coming, it's not."

Phill Spencer (June 9th 2024)

'Our commitment to our Xbox customers is you're going to get the opportunity to buy or subscribe to the game, we're going to support the game on other screens. And you are going to see more of our games on more platforms and we just see that as benefit that the franchises we're building and we see that from players and the players love to be able to play'

Jingsing6h ago

I won't be buying any Xbox games anyway, Not going to subsidize their vision of changing gaming industry into streaming everything via a netflix subscription and they are the only choice. Remember when it comes to Microsoft "It's us or no one" You can't complain after they have taken over either.

Shane Kim5h ago

Especially when they "give" it to Xbox users and expect playstation users to pay full price for it. Like second class citizens.

Ironmike2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

U won't be missed

neomahi4h ago

So, the benefit of having an Xbox is the option of a subscription service that's more like a buffet and not a deluxe plate. By staying loyal to Xbox means day 1 "free" games of your choice. Xbox is a service.

If rumors are true Xbox is going the 3DO route, Xbox is basically a PC. I mean, since PlayStation caved and started using off the shelf parts to "make it easier on developers", which is a croc as were how far into this console generation and the only devs to really support PS5, kind of, is Insomniac, San Diego, and Santa Monica and we've seen nothing from other devs. PS4 was supposed to be easier so PS5 would be even easier, right? But what've we really seen from Sony first party when it comes to PS5 games? Nothing, they're all still possible on PS4. Xbox? Same thing. Hi-Fi Rush was possible on at least Xbox One X (another lie from Xbox with No one gets left behind). Wow

MrBaskerville2h ago

The original comment still stands, as long as they withold one or two series of games on xbox. Most could come but that still wouldn't mean that you could expect every game to arrive.

I suspect they want people to speculate, because then you don't know whether you should wait for a ps5 port or buy an xbox. Every game is Schroedingers exclusive.

Eonjay1h ago

The interpretation of his first comment is not to expect more than these 4 games. The interpretation of the second comment is not to expect any game to be exclusive to Xbox.

His communication is all over the place. The fact that we can't decipher what he means is what people are complaing about. He should simply say, games are coming to PlayStation but we don't have a set policy that applies to all titles. Sometimes less is more.

Crows901h ago

Well seeing as most Xbox games aren't worth it then it's probably fine

-Foxtrot6h ago

There’s this small part of me which wants to think that the reason for Sony being so calm lately, especially after Microsoft’s showcase, is because they know this themselves, and they could know more than what’s being said publicly.

neomahi4h ago

But, Lego Horizon is on the Switch. Why is Nintendo the only comfortable one here. They're not even on PC

Extermin8or3_4h ago

Stupid take. The Lego game has been made by a Lego studio with advice on the IP from guerilla games. So part of the negotiations/requirements to make it happen will clearly have been done kind of multiplatform release.

LucasRuinedChildhood7m ago(Edited 3m ago)

That Lego game definitely exists to get kids to want to buy the proper Horizon games on PS5/PS4 (plus the multiplayer game). It's basically a giant advertisement. And kids love the Switch.

Extermin8or3_4h ago

They definitely know more than is being said.

italiangamer3h ago

Sony gives them the PS5's development kit so they know exactly which studios are making games for their consoles, or at least they can make an estimate based on the number of kits requested.

People just loves to talk but in a couple of days this showcase will be already forgotten, and by the way 90% of the stuff shown is multiplatform.

truthBombs4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

It seems the idea is to have other platforms(PS and PC) offset the cost of game pass.

Xbox users get the games on game pass while others pay full price.

Gamepass seems to be Xbox's idea of "exclusive".

These guys are so inconsistent with their messaging. It's difficult to know exactly what they want to do with their games. I've stopped caring. I just focus on the games.

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Xbox No Longer Has Its Head In The Game

Microsoft & Xbox have shut down Arkane Austin and Tango Gameworks to lay off more workers, insinuating that they're not in the game anymore.

XiNatsuDragnel29d ago

They're headless for a long time because closing tango isn't exactly a good move

PapaBop29d ago

Ever since that cringe Kinect reveal they've never been the same. They used to make some amazing games and do great deals with third parties Early on in the 360 era they had games like Chromehounds and Shadowrun, both well ahead of their time. Now instead of nurturing their studios, they'd rather gaslight gamers and throw billions on pre existing studios. Not sure how Spencer is still in a job, I wouldn't trust him to organise a piss-up in a brewery.

Father__Merrin29d ago

We've said all along Spencer needs to go. I wish xbox went back to xbox only with new gears fable forza halo releases lots of third party releases

Those early rainbow 6 Vegas days and phantasy star universe are gone forever

S2Killinit28d ago

MS has its head in the game but the game they are playing is something different from what console gamers expect from a platform. MS’s end game has always been to use the xbox as a trojan horse.

XiNatsuDragnel28d ago

Lol that's funny well this plan they have isn't working homie

343_Guilty_Spark29d ago

Acquisitions always come with cuts

1Victor29d ago

“Acquisitions always come with cuts”

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Tacoboto29d ago

Especially for Microsoft, when Booty pretty much said they didn't know how to handle that many studios.

Why even make the acquisition then.

-Foxtrot29d ago

Didn’t they make the swipe for Bethesda when Sony wanted like 6 months exclusiveness for Starfield

It’s like…chill, you got Rise of the Tomb Raider for a year.

romulus2329d ago

Do they always come with senseless cuts becasue that's exactly what cutting Tango was, senseless.

H929d ago

Everyone's acting now that game companies care about games and Xbox is committing the Ultimate betrayal, they are all like this and you have just been quiet about it for far too long

Nuclearmoon29d ago

I wonder if Microsoft do pull out of the console market that it might open the door for valve to relaunch the Steambox. Competition is good for the industry but Microsoft don't even seem to be trying anymore.

UltimateOwnage29d ago

Steam / Valve are one of the few truly pro-consumer bright spots in gaming right now. Thankfully.

Jingsing28d ago

From all the money Valve make from Steam they reinvest almost 0 into creating new AAA titles for the PC platform, Absolutely no giving nothing back in that regard. Wake up.

jwillj2k429d ago (Edited 29d ago )

“Your game has won some pretty significant awards and is a show piece for where we want to go in the future.”

1 hour later.

“We’re gonna have to let you go. You can’t cover our 100 billion dollar acquisition. Oh and take your awards too 👍🏾”

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Fallout 76 Players Have Nuked Phil Spencer in Response to Studio Closures

Fallout 76 players have dropped the big one on Phil Spencer in response to Xbox's closures of Arkane Austin and Tango Gameworks this week.