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Digital future will be bad for console gamers

Australian PSN and Xbox Live users get the jitters when some point to the inevitability of digital downloads. Let's take the PSN store for example, for a quick comparison of some new and upcoming releases:

PSN:
Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - $99.95
Lords of the Fallen - $89.95
PES 2015 - $84.95
GTAV - $99.95

Now here's the comparable prices for disc editions from major retailers:
Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - $59
Lords of the Fallen - $79
PES 2015 - $84
GTAV - $79

For some, the difference is minor or non-existant, but for major titles, the differences are huge. A near $40 difference for the latest Call of Duty is two thirds of a new release game. All this comes to a lack of competition. PSN and Xbox Live are closed systems, and unlike PC models of distribution, their digital stores have no alternative - it's locked to the system you own.

To appease publishers, Sony and Microsoft let publishers charge whatever they want on their respective stores. Even older games are not immune, with digital prices for 12 month old titles showing little difference from release date pricing.

Compare this to the competitive landscape of retail, and the differences are night and day. In week one of a new release, a distributor may sell a new release game to a retailer for little margin - at around $60-$80. In an effort to shift more copies, publishers will also offer rebates to retailers on games sold to sell at cost. This guarantees cheaper prices at launch, and stiff competition between retailers ensures net benefit to the consumer. By week two, the cost of a new game at wholesale can sometimes drop as much as 50%, depending on the title and its first week of sales. These prices are then reflected at the counter to consumers.

Meanwhile, PSN and Xbox Live retain a steady, high price for games well after the initial release window.

As digital downloads become more and more popular, the price we pay for our games on digital stores doesn't seem to change. This is despite the fact that distribution via digital should be a huge net saving to publishers. While we all rush headlong into the digital future extolling its virtues, maybe we should take stock of the fact that we are really seeing the rise of a monopoly retail model, which will hurt us all in the end, and will damage the industry.

jackanderson19853494d ago (Edited 3494d ago )

ok fair enough from an aussie point of view that's bad but in Ireland it's opposite... you'll almost always find Digital to be cheaper than physical here.

i think the worst so far has been Trials Fusion nearly 50 euro in shops (after nearly 7 months it's still 45 euro), 20 euro on the online xbox store, 30 euro (43 aus dollars) difference is farcical

and it's not just limited to that COD was between 5-10 more expensive, lords of the fallen 10+, Sleeping dogs nearly 15 and so on and so forth

on a personal front there's no benefit to physical for me, i'm lucky enough to have a ridiculously high internet cap, good speeds, never trade in

LightofDarkness3491d ago (Edited 3491d ago )

Not from my perspective, next gen consoles in Ireland have huge E-shop mark-ups compared to their physical counterparts, particularly third parties on PS4. Most games are about €10 more expensive in many cases.

Compare this with PC: I just bought Far Cry 4, Dragon Age: Inquisition and Valkyria Chronicles for €107 total on GreenManGaming. You're paying about €160 for those on console digital at best.

annoyedgamer3494d ago

Here in the USA, its costs a full $60 for digital up to 2 years after release while the physical editions are available for $30.

colonel1793494d ago

That's why I don't like digital so much. They save production costs, as well as distribution costs, and others, yet, the price is the same as retail. That's a ripoff. That's the biggest flaw in digital games.

Retailers need to get rid of inventory, so they need to discount items that don't sell well (or as expected). That's why they reduce price quicker.

With that said, I had to buy Shadow of Mordor digital, because where I live, the price was too high, and somehow, the price of PSN was cheaper than anywhere I saw it available.

I usually buy the games $10 cheaper than retail price, but Shadow of Mordor was an exception I guess.

ShaunCameron3493d ago

It must be the server costs. It cost money to keep the servers running at an optimal level so downloading won't be too much of a hassle.

caseh3492d ago

@ShaunCameron

It's a charge for bandwidth, Sony take a cut of every game sold so the digital prices tend to be higher to cover that cost.

Oschino19073493d ago

I often get discounts on my digital games in the U.S. many times day 1 brand new games. Amazon and brick/mortar also sell digital so that's even more chances to take advantage of deals.

Also if games as still $60 for up to two years explain why every single launch game up to summer on PS4 has had there prices lowered permanently.

Here are some lower prices now with no current special sales. Most have been discounted even further during past few months of specials.

Lego Batman 3 - Pre-order $53.99-67.49(deluxe bundle)
Assassins creed 4 - $49.99
Battlefield 4 - $39.99
Injustice - $29.99
Killzone - $29.99
Knack - $29.99
Madden 25 - $29.99
Need for speed - $39.99
NBA live - $29.99
Tomb Raider - $39.99
Thief - $39.99
Cod Ghosts Gold Edition - $59.99
FFXIV - $39.99
Infamous - $39.99
EA Sports UFC - $39.99
A few others from summer but unsure if they launched at $49.99 or $59.99, and not sure of all indie pricing.

Plus many others still full price have had multiple sales and as I said often new ones can be had with discounts also.

annoyedgamer3493d ago (Edited 3493d ago )

Because retailers are having a hard time moving games due to the hardware users spread thin at the beginning of the new generation. Keep in mind those prices are matched to the physical copies. I guarantee you the day those physical copies are no longer distributed the games will be selling for $59.99 for months.

$69.99 in the case with greedy EA, they will make their "deluxe" editions standard and raise the price.

Steam is proof that once users are hooked on digital, sales become less and less valuable. The sales Steam offers are nothing compared to the discounts given out earlier in its life span.

MadLad3491d ago

It's the issues of a closed and lorded platform.
As a PC gamer, I am all for digital. There's so much competition, some of the prices you see are crazy.

I like digital, but that doesn't mean I want to see physical copies done away with. I have no idea what the console space would look like then, but I don't see it being very good.
Not unless they allow for 3rd party stores themselves, which I see never happening.

Oschino19073490d ago (Edited 3490d ago )

You can take advantage of 3rd party deals on console digital though especially pre paid cards. You can buy the game codes or digital/physical pre paid cards from Amazon or many other retailers if they have sales/deals.

I only see better deals becoming more widespread as they start to compete for digital sales. Of course it all goes through Sony at the end but at least there is no Origin and such.

SegaGamer3494d ago

Personally i don't see why we can't always have physical and digital as an option. Moving fowards doesn't mean one way needs to go.

colonel1793494d ago

Of course it doesn't need to go, but publishers will always prefer digital over retail because it's a lot cheaper for them, and since consumers never demanded to lower the price of digital, they get higher profit margins.

It's not that they need to go, it's that Sony, Microsoft and publishers will make retail go as soon as possible. That's why the Xbox One was announced they way it did. Microsoft was the first one to dare to make a digital environment for gaming. Fortunately, they failed miserably, however, they won't rest until it happens.

CaptainObvious8783494d ago

This.

People are always telling me digital is the future and I need to accept it.

As a fellow Aussie that can agree with this blog I say, screw you I'm never going digital.

Brettman20083494d ago (Edited 3494d ago )

Unfortunately, gaming seems to be heading towards a game streaming future which may be the only way to play in a decade or so. Sony, in particular, are really pushing this. I dread this gaming future.

ShaunCameron3491d ago

But it often does. Out with the old, in with the new.

HighResHero3491d ago (Edited 3491d ago )

Exactly. I buy mostly physical and DRM free GOG games. I also buy on Steam sometimes and see no reason why it has to be one or the other.
A lot of it might have to do with marketing. Companies trying to maximize profits by forcing new paradigms upon people.

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Amuro3493d ago

if you want digital only then Steam is the only viable option to be honest. Digital on consoles is not only a scam but often have pesky DRM too.

knifefight3492d ago

GOG.com is also wonderful if people are looking for digital-only stuff.

I'm not saying I prefer digital (I don't), but if I'm going to buy digital anything, it's going to be for super cheap and completely free of DRM, like it is on GOG.

deadpools_n643493d ago

I prefer physical. I'm not always close to an accessible Internet connection at the oil rig so my gaming is purely offline and couch co-op when I'm at work for 14 days straight. So that's why digital and drm are my biggest fears as a casual gamer. Also why I skipped out on titanfall and Diablo3

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Final Fantasy VII Rebirth Combat Director Wants Final Part To Offer Players "Even More Freedom"

The Final Fantasy VII Rebirth combat director has expressed that he wants the final part in the trilogy to offer players "even more freedom".

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gold_drake15h ago

i wonder if where gonna be able to jump

-Foxtrot9h ago

I love the game so far but please don’t make the final part a mini game fest

Everytime I get to a new part in Rebirth it’s “mini game time”

Inverno3h ago

Hope ya don't mind me asking since it seems like you've played it, did it feel like a decent step up from the last game or was it more like the best from the last but more polished?

CS73h ago

It makes Remake feel like a demo.

9.5/10 imo. And I think the “mini games” did a great job of adding variety to the gameplay. Purely optional as well.

-Foxtrot2h ago

Here's my thoughts

I think it's a big step up from the first instalment, I'm enjoying it way more.

I thought keeping it just in Midgar was silly, it felt dragged out and it didn't have much variation in terms of the scenery.

However with Rebirth, as soon as you get out of Kalm you have a big world to explore and it's great to just wander round and explore.

Now that I'm half way in though, despite still liking what I'm playing, the gameplay loop is now starting to slow down on me. I've got to a new region and I'm like "Yaaay...need to go and find those towers again, oh look another special beast marker, is that a bird I see in the distance? Better follow it to another Mako Crystal"

It's like....you know how Peter Jackson was only supposed to have two Hobbit films then Warner Bros wanted a third film so he stretched the second film out as much as he could so he could keep stuff for the third film making a trilogy? Yeah it feels like that, so these mini games are a part of that overall gameplay loop to keep us going and stretch the game out overall so they have something for the third and final game.

I personally think you could have had the first instalment get you out of Midgar and through to Grasslands / Junon and the second game finishes things off.

Becuzisaid3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

I had a weird cycle of love/hate for all the mini games as I played through. At first I really hated the seeming need to check all these boxes while exploring the grasslands. I didn't enjoy the Gilgamesh quest initially, and thought Queen's blood was fine but didn't want to commit to it. The side quests didn't really grab me either.

Then for some reason everything in Junon region changed my mind and I did pretty much everything. I liked most of the side quests, I actually liked playing fort condor (didn't care for it in the intergrade dlc). And my interest for completing these quests stayed pretty much through to Cosmo Canyon.

Then they added that horrible Lifestream memory/battle mini game and I started getting so burnt out of it all. I just wanted to do the story. I didn't do any side quests in neibleheim and beyond except for the summon. I abandoned Gilgamesh.

So what I'm saying is I would like the third part to go back to the focused progression from remake. Keep the mini games to the gold saucer. Start the game snowboarding if you want, but from there keep the story rolling.

-Foxtrot2h ago

That's funny you say that because I did everything in the Grasslands but once in Junon I started to slow down a little until Corel where by the end I was burnt out. I'm still currently going but I'm just doing what I can while things keep getting thrown at me.

I would have preferred half of these mini game side fillers / collectibles for some really beefy side quests that really adds onto the world of FFVII.

Inverno1h ago

Sounds like they hadn't really figured out what they wanted to do with Remake and this one is more of what they thought of doing which is probably why they're dragging it out to make a trilogy. Disappointed to hear it has towers cause man do i hate towers lol. It's been a while since I've played the first and it'll be a while longer to play the sequel, but it sounds like I'll enjoy it. 7 really impressed me especially after being disappointed with 15, felt like Square finally realized that FF was THEIR big franchise again.

MetroidFREAK212h ago

As long as it comes out on PS5 to have the entire series on one platform, do whatever you want

franwex1h ago

The combat is my favorite thing about Rebirth. Would be really cool if they can improve it even more.

Knightofelemia1h ago

I hope after FF7 Square will either give a new FF game the remake treatment. Or give some of their older titles a remake treatment like Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, even Xenogears.

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Kingdom Come Deliverance 2's Scope Was Impacted by Xbox Series S Limitations

Wccf tech writes: "Kingdom Come Deliverance 2's scope was impacted by the Xbox Series S hardware limitations, as developers could only make a game that was 25% bigger than its predecessor."

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-Foxtrot9h ago

This is the issue with things like this

Xbox Series X is apparently to MS the worlds most powerful console

However the Series S is obviously a limitation because it’s underpowered and developers have to go for parity.

So what’s the point of the world’s most powerful console if you are holding third party developers back? They aren’t going to push themselves if they have to think about the weakest console.

The issue wouldn’t be as bad if it was just Xbox but you are also affecting the PS version aswell

I think developers need to start just taking advantage of a console and if one of them can’t do X Y and Z then f*** them…why should the others suffer. What’s MS going to do? The bigger the franchise the least chance MS are going to tell them to f*** off. Baulders Gate 3 seemed to have stood their ground and suddenly their “strict” parity rule didn’t really matter. We suddenly got super optimisation efforts for the Series S that got things sorted.

anast5h ago

I agree, and the sad part is use normal folk saw it the second they announced their plans.

Abear211h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Agree 100% this is why I didn’t want the M$ Monopoly, now PS5 version will be held back too.

If PS5 Pro comes out and Series S is still a thing it’ll be interesting what differences and what devs choose to do. Really hoping Rockstar pushes the PS5 pro with GTA6 and we get the best version possible.

LucasRuinedChildhood9h ago

More info from the author of the article, I think: https://www.reddit.com/r/ki...

Quote:
"1) I was told this info from the producer of the game Martin Klíma.
2) He specifically said the game will have only one mode.
3) And this mode is 4K 30 on PS5/XSX and 1440p 30 on XSS.
4) He said that the game is already running north of the 30 FPS cap so the performance should be stable on launch, much better than KCD1.
5) The limitation was XSS because of the 10GB memory. He said that's why they wanted to make the game 25% larger.
6) Speculation on my part: the output resolution is probably upscaled and the reason why there won't be a 60 FPS mode is because it'll most likely be very CPU heavy, like Dragon's Dogma 2 for example."

Doesn't seem like they're adding a 40fps mode on PS5/Series X for launch even if they can handle it.

Sgt_Slaughter5h ago

I'd much rather have 1440p/60fps or even 45fps. Having just one, even with the Series S in mind, is disappointing.

franwex4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Remember when xbots were adamant that the series s won’t hold back the gen?

Microsoft just needs to let go of the mandatory parity. Who cares if your grandma doesn’t understand that a game cannot be played on the S. It’s not like it she can buy you a physical game for it anyway. Before buying the game put up a notice that it only works on series X. If you’re buying for a friend-allow for a refund.

Bam. Everyone is happy. Most series s owners are for casuals that want Game Pass anyway and most likely don’t purchase most games.

If the developers want it to run on S, let them figure it out.

Jin_Sakai4h ago

“During the event, the Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 producer also revealed that on PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X, the game will run at 4K resolution and 30 frames per second“

Another “creative decision” right? 🤦‍♂️

IHateNate3h ago

Amateur hour. Very incapable developer.

Outside_ofthe_Box3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Since you're not an amateur and clearly know more than them, can you over there and help get the game running on the S without having to sacrifice their true vision. Us gamers would really appreciate you using your wisdom for good 🙏

IHateNate3h ago

Thousands of games run just fine on S.

But Kingdom Come is the game that can’t. Must be one hell of a game!

franwex1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Thousands of games run on PS4 and on Switch. If developers want them to run on those systems. Fine. Those two platforms still get new games. Sony isn’t making studios also make a ps4 pro version, or Nintendo a wiiu version. Microsoft technically is.

IHateNate25m ago(Edited 25m ago)

If games like Alan Wake 2, GTA6, COD, hellblade all run on S, no excuse for this 100x smaller and 100x worse looking game to be held back.

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