PS4 in the works, AMD building graphics

Sony has a new console in the works according to former AMD employees.

[WildStyles]

Not surprising.

[darthv72]

sony's next iteration of the cell would have a gpu on the same die. Making it a system on a chip type of design instead of going with a separate gpu from a 3rd party.

Not to mention that shying away from Nvidia (if they were to) could potentially cause compatibility issues with existing software. unless the idea is not to have bc in the next ps4.

Supposedly the new cell SoC would be more capable to emulate the gpu of a ps3 than if they went with an AMD design....supposedly.

[JsonHenry]

I highly doubt Sony will come up with a better GPU or a SoC than AMD who has years of experience making this sort of thing.

Anyone that thinks the CELL could somehow be a better performer than an Nvidia or AMD GPU can look at Intel latest debacle attempting to do the same thing. Intel Larrabee ring a bell anyone?

Sony is finally doing what they MUST to stay competitive this time around. And a 3rd party GPU was a must.

[Arksine]

@JsonHenry

The PS3 uses a 3rd party GPU from NVidia. The Cell is great at assisting a GPU (Particularly for physics, Geometry, and post processing), but it isn't a GPU itself. If the PS3 has a weakness, its the RSX. NVidia still makes fast GPUs, but they haven't been able to match AMD in performance per watt, which is important for a console (lower power = less heat).

With Sony's investment in the Cell I believe that they have to continue to use it for the PS4. It will be interesting to see how AMD would design a GPU to complement it. One wouldn't assume that they would be making the same GPU for both MS and Sony.

[gypsygib]

People who want BC so bad should just keep their existing PS3s to be safe.

Seriously, by the time PS4 comes out you'll get 50 bucks for it and still have to transfer all of your game saves. Besides, I'm sure most people with spend 90% plus of their time playing new beautiful PS4 games.

[hiredhelp]

@arksine
Thats exactly bang on mate, way i see it too keep the cell processor or take the upgraded model offerd by ibm last year and simply put in a upgraded amd gpu.

Your right they have many years infact they started before nvidia.
Always more processors too.

[ProjectVulcan]

If the console GPU designs are based on the upcoming/current GPU generation then Sony would be better off sticking with Nvidia.

When PS3 was built, Ati had a clear edge in the GPU architecture stakes. The X1k series Radeons were faster and more advanced than the Geforce 7 RSX is based around. It came as no surprise Ati delivered a quality custom chip for 360, while PS3 got stuck with a crippled Geforce 7. The architecture was a loser before it was ever offered to Sony.

This time out, it seems like Nvidia will have the edge. Whatever comes out in April should have the beating of AMD's Radeon 7000 series according to inside reports. This is quite likely to be the generation any next gen console is built around.

I do find it highly unlikely any sort of CELL chip would be used unless the machine is going to be a Wii/Wii U style improvement over PS3, rather than a big step.

CELL has run its course. IBM have taken ideas and things learnt from the architecture to implement in other chips as their successors but essentially the basic design is dead and outmoded.

It will probably end up another PowerPC based design however. A custom POWER7 chip maybe with less cache. 4-8 cores are possible. RISC is still the go to design for consoles i think.

I already heard about a POWER7 chip on the silicon grapevine for PS4 anyway so it wouldn't be a shock.

The GPU at the end of the day is still THE key chip. It is probably more important than ever to get this right. Since PS3 launched GPUs have become vastly more flexible- GPGPU is so big now. As long as Sony get the GPU right, it won;t really matter too much what CPU they pick as long as it is balanced.

[Persistantthug]

As is, those brands of cards and chips are wholly interchangeable now.

For there to be PS3 backwards compatibility, the real 'X Factor' really resides in the CPU.

And with that, I'm sure the PS4 will carry B/C.
Why?
Because of the network (PSN/SEN) that Sony has to carry over. Not only are consumers and developers invested in the network....but so is Sony.

[Autodidactdystopia]

To people who think 1080p is too much or the end of the need for more resolution.

I just want to inform you that you cannot see what you cannot see.

This is not a troll or a razz, but im gonna be pushing this idea for a while so I might as well get started here; where better? :)

Some of the texturing you see in real life, for example actual surface texturing for paper plasic metal and other fine grit surfaces cannot be fully realized without extremely high resolutions. somthing on the order of 8000000x6000000 pixels.

I'll explain further in other posts over time, it just amuses me that people think that 1080 is it.

I know 8mil by 6mil screens wont exist for years to come but when they do and you take your old ps3 and play a cutting edge game for the time like uncharted 3; You will see that the surfaces that your brain used to improvise for and make you feel that they could be real, will look either blocky due to the use of bitmaps or blurry due to the use of stuff like superSal 2x texture filtering.

The fine surface details arent there but because you are so used to watching things on a tv with a severely crippled pixel resolution in comparison to real life, that your brain does that improvisation and accepts the image as finely detailed when it actually isnt.

Just wait until you can look into a game world and 50 yards away you can still see surfaces and make out the texturing of those surfaces and not just colored silouettes.

Grass on a football field is one example that suits this argument perfectly.

You might argue that when watching a live 1080P football game everything looks real.(even the grass) But try to see the grass 5 yards back and it becomes a blurry green field from then on, and yes you would be right the approximation of reality at the resolution you are watching it at is spot on perfect. However it is just that... an aproximation of reality at 1080p. Take a football game recorded in the 70s and watch it on a 1080 screen. You will see that all of the surface detail is missing albeit with a spot on approximation of reality at the recording resolution.

Now go stand in a football field in real life and notice that as you look further away from you the individual blades of grass are still visible no matter how far you look. (depending on your eyesight) This is due to the extremely high resolution image your eyes provide you.

Also notice that the blades dont alias in your vision because the way you see is more of an adaptive resolution allowing for the clearest image possible.

The same concept applies to videogames. you can approximate reality at any resolution but you lose detail the lower the resolution you do so. which is why xbox 1 games looked so great but then you got an hd tv and they dont look so great aymore. and why ps3/360 games look so great. for now.

I cant wait. :P

best regards
-Auto

[Autodidactdystopia]

I know, I know.... now one likes to hear complicated stuff. but there will come a day that you will know that little old Auto was right.

I dont know what there was to disagree with.

I only stated fact. Hmmm.. Im puzzled.

anywhoo I like Nvidia and ATI hmmmemmmm I mean AMD.

Good things come to those who wait.

[hellvaguy]

"To people who think 1080p is too much or the end of the need for more resolution. I just want to inform you that you cannot see what you cannot see."

High end pc gamers using 2500x1600 resolution monitors say hi.

[Autodidactdystopia]

High end pc gamers using 2500x1600 resolution monitors say hi?

I am one. Hi back

Bucept Im more of a max guy now as in 3ds

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Blaine]

@Auto

Probably because you're way off topic, not replying to anyone, and writing a wall of text to explain something we're all aware of... "which is why xbox 1 games looked so great but then you got an hd tv and they dont look so great aymore. and why ps3/360 games look so great. for now." Wow really? O_O

[nveenio]

The reason you can't see "5 yards back" in a football game is because the camera isn't focused to five yards back. You'll never be able to see 5 yards back unless the camera focuses to that point. When watching TV, the lens of your eye is focused on the TV...not through a window. So you're at the mercy of the lens in the camera, and not the lens within your own eye.

Can the human eye detect finer than 1080p resolution? Yes. But as for focusing on whatever you want to focus on, you'll always be at the mercy of the camera. And that's the way it will remain until we have displays that can project light field imagery into 3-dimensional space, allowing you to focus on whichever point you wish.

http://www.lytro.com/

[RememberThe357]

People, don't forget Sony has had issues with Nvidia in the past, not to mention MS's issues with them on the first Xbox. Remember way back when we were raging about the price of the PS3? Well back then it was rumored that Nvidia was one of the reasons Sony couldn't cut the price any lower at that time. In that same rumor it was said that Sony had made the decision to not work wit Nvidia on their next console. It was much more detailed and I can't seem to work the Google on the internet machine, but I remember it relatively clearly.

[darthv72]

and reading...the idea of all 3 using chips provided by the same mfg isnt that bad of a decision. If true, it could lend credibility to the next generation finally offering parity between platform.

If that were to be achieved, we could potentially see a developer create a single game that is coded to play on any one of the platforms available. Similar to how a pc game is able to support a range of specs from one company to another.

Thus making the individual platform essentially just like a player for the game as there are players for movies. Different brands but a set of standards each must conform to. The deciding factor to buy would not rest on the game but on the level of support and features each platform would offer.

Exclusives would still have their role to play but seeing as there are more neutral developers than exclusive ones.....you get the idea.

[Autodidactdystopia]

nahh man nahh.

rasterizers dont focus.

yes cameras have focus.

no focus doesnt apply to rasterizer engines.

im talking about pixel density and your talking about photometry.

if there arent enough pixels in the given area to describe the blade of grass, no matter how in focus you are the blade of grass will have what is referred to as sub-pixel detail and will be averaged to the pixels in the space.

also depth of focus can be adjusted to include the whole scene for example in movies you would not be able to look at objects in the background if the focus range was not adjusted to fit the scene. useful for closeups but not in scenery.

also if you are looking at a game engine generated image you are looking at what an orthographic rasterizer sees, not light. no focus if there is blur then that blur is being applied in post, giving the illusion of DOF or imagesmoothing/texture filtering. and also being done intentionally, there is no inherrent blur in rasterizer engines only solutions to emulate it, ie antialiasing depth of field and fov. all orthographic projections of 3d space adjusted to emulate perspective view. which assumes all lines paralell to the camera will inevitably terminate at a single point.

so what you said kinda wasnt related to my point but im sure you said it in good consience.

[BubloZX]

Actually AMD cards have been very similar to Nvidia as of late. They have also been good at giving you the same performance and in some instances better for a much cheaper price then Nvidia. I love Nvida the best but if Sony wants to keep cost down dramatically a partnership with AMD would be better then Nvidia.

[sikbeta]

I need next gen NOW! so this is good news to me, but with the other article saying Sony is patenting a kinect-like camera ala MS, my expectations are pretty low :(

[DeadlyFire]

IBM stated that future Cell designs would be implemented in the Power series in 2010 I believe. So if anything I believe PS4 has Power7+(2012) or Power8(2013) potentially. Yes + is more likely than just Power7 chip.

[nveenio]

You're back peddling. I didn't bring up "5 yards back". You did. If you want to switch to strictly talking about simulations, then you're still providing an inherently flawed argument. We are 100 years away from having the processing capability to give a blade of grass true to life detail. When I say, true to life, I don't mean through simulation. I mean by actually rendering worlds constructed with atoms that behave precisely like the real world doppelgänger. Only when the detail exists within the game world can the detail be presented to the screen. For now, 1080p is good enough to see on screen what were capable of putting on screen. When we're capable of building Drake's world atom by atom, we'll surely also have the ability to display it.

[malol]

did they say AMD ??

PHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIII IIIIILLLLLLLLLL

[Sarcasm]

On the topic of Nvidia or AMD, right now it goes to AMD. They've managed to produce cards that surpass the best offerings of Nvidia while cutting power consumption by half or more, which is no small feat. (Specifically Radeon 7970 vs GTX 580)

Of course we're still waiting to see how the GTX 680 (or whatever it will be called) will answer.

Even then, AMD has been successful with their APU platform in making the cpu and gpu harmonious. If they can translate that type of integration onto something like the Cell processor with Sony, then they could have something amazing.

Exciting times thinking about the possibilities of it all.

[ProjectVulcan]

@ Sarcasm- it is a small feat. 7970 v GTX580 is not a brilliant comparison at all for AMD. 7970 is pretty unimpressive TBH when you look at the underlying stats.

The 7970 is a brand new generation, whereas GTX580's base architecture is nearly 2 years old and the GTX580 itself is about 15 months old and on the 40nm process.

The brand new Radeon is on the latest gen TSMC 28nm process. This will instantly give it good power characteristics versus a previous generation chip. Can't really be compared fairly in the power stakes versus a GTX580.

The Radeon is about 25 percent faster, it has 4.3bn transistors. GTX580 has 3bn- so 7970 has over 40 percent more transistors than GTX580 for only 25 percent more speed. Not a fantastic return for the size of the chip.

The past few architectures AMD have built smaller chips than Nvidia with competing performance, this means that up til now, they have probably had the edge in efficiency and cost. Smaller chips cost less to make and use less power. Speed versus size is crucial.

However that looks set to change come April. The fairly strong word on the street is Nvidia have themselves a top notch design (GK104 @ 3.4bn transistors says the leaks) which is quite a bit smaller than 7970 but gets very close to it. Nvidia also have much bigger designs too that should batter 7970 in the pipeline, although they won't be around before the summer.

There is likely to be a big swing to Nvidia, they look to have taken the lead in efficiency- right around the time one might expect console manufacturers to come knocking for console architecture.

[Mikhail]

If true, then all console manufacturer are going with AMD. Well, AMD gives more performance for buck.

[JsonHenry]

typically using less power in the process as well.

[dirthurts]

Going with AMD is a fantastic move.
Not only will using an AMD make coding easier, it would allow them to save a lot of money.
If they're smart, they'll probably go with an intergrated cpu/gpu combo. This would allow for super easy coding, compatibility, and price cuts.

[WitWolfy]

WTF are you talking about?

[CarlitoBrigante]

Integraded cpu/gpu combo? Kid do you even know what the hell you just said? Even if you did, do you know how weak the integrated gpu is in some CPUs?

[mechlord]

xcept thar going aka gpgpu would mean throwing the cell out and if you guys have any sense for business you ll know sony aint gonna do that. They cant afford to lose money over something they already got right.

If every thing on the ps4 and the 720 are the same cept for the cpu, am guessing the ps4 will trumph the box on that one, as 3 does now.

And i wonder why do you think a gpgpu makes for super easy coding...

And SONY & MS dont want compatibility. Do you honestly think they want to reach a point where there is nothing to differentiate the consoles, hardware wise, except for the color?

[dirthurts]

You guys have never coded a day in your life right?
Using an AMD processor and video chipset means no more coding for a complicated processor. Easy ports of pc games isn't for Sony, it's for the developers. 3rd party games would be able to excel with their hardware and produce better games.
Just because current cpu/gpu combos are designed to be entry level, or low power consumption, doesn't mean they all have to be. Do keep in mind that the latest xbox revision now has a gpu/cpu combo. Both on one chip. If you check out the latest tech that AMD has been developing, it's looking pretty great.
And by the way, I'm a computer engineer. I kinda know what I'm doing here.

[Megaman_nerd]

@dirthurts

what makes coding easier is not the hardware but the tools and API's. The PS3 had CELL which was a completely new architecture so Sony had to create everything from scratch and that's what caused all these problems.

The Cell had a PPE (PowerPC based) so tools like Unreal Engine 3 could run on it without any type of optimization but very poorly because it was only 1 core. But then Epic added additional instructions to make the SPE's work with the PPE and that's when we finally started seeing better performance. But since the engine was originally made for general purpose CPU's and to mostly render stuff on the GPU the Xbox's and PC's have a clear advantage over the PS3's weak GPU.
----------------------------- --

And the conclusion is that having a Nvdia or AMD card wouldn't make anything more easier than the other because both run on either DirectX or OpenGL's API's. Now the problem would be the CPU because if they go with a new architecture then they'll need to develop new tools for it but if they go with an architecture similar to Cell then they already have the tools for that and if they go with something more conventional then we have had those for years. Making the GPU/CPU integrated wouldn't change a thing when it comes to development, that's just to reduce heat and cost but it comes at a price. You'll need to make those transistors smaller enough to be able to pack something powerful in there and that's why "dedicated" it's a given unless they are thinking about making something weak. Xbox have them integrated now but that was after years of transistor's reduction.

And BTW, an engineer is an engineer and a programmer is a programmer. You create the hardware based on theories but we make the software that makes it work. Kutaragi thought the Cell would make the PS3 the most powerful system ever, on theory, but the results were quiet different.

[Liquid_Ocelot]

Are you trying to make the next-gen consoles more like a tablet or something similar? CPU/GPU combo? Wtf

Edit:
Ohh that's right, the newer 360s have the CPU/GP combo. I had forgotten.
Um, no thanks:)

[crazypicklemonkey]

yep

[andibandit]

Why are they even making a PS4, couldn't they just unlock the last 6 SPE's of the PS3's cell CPU.

[BubloZX]

Sony will probably use the Power 8 version of the cell which is comparable to the i7 sandybridge processors. Those things are not only 2x the performance of current cells but they have more SPEs too. And I can see Sony using 2 or 3 of these.

[Ck1x]

like I stated before just because they put it in the box doesn't mean that developers have axcess to the processing power. The power 7 architecture is IBM and the CELL chip is based off of the power pc technology, So where are people getting power 8 from?

[suntzu420]

@Ck1x:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

This is more than likely what is being referenced when people mention Power8. This is very misleading, since currently Power8 is the successor chip to the Power7 IBM processor, not the next version cell processor. Hope this clears things up.

[DarkSniper]

The only thing that needs to be said about PlayStation®4 is that it will perform beyond any of our imaginations.

Given the unparalleled and unrivaled power of PlayStation®3, Dark Sniper cannot even fathom what PS4 will bring to the forefront. Sony Computer Entertainment has always been the leaders in consumer electronics. PlayStation®4 will clearly set the bar once again for a quality package that includes gaming and online social interaction.

SCE's PlayStation®3 Home Entertainment Terminal provides all of the modern features, combined with the ability to evolve with technology and the common gamer simultaneously. While Dark Sniper is ecstatic to get his hands on a PS4, PlayStation®3 still has 5 healthy years in it's lifecycle that he will enjoy to the fullest.

In all honesty, PlayStation®3 is a juggernaut machine. Ken Kutaragi should give himself a pat on the back for assembling the finest piece of machinery mankind has ever created. There's no need for Sony to even manufacture the PS4, it can be delivered to your household via firmware update to your PS3.

$niper

[zeal0us]

Why are you referring to yourself that way? Just use I.
----
Sony wouldn't be waiting to till next year just to start.

[darthv72]

then he wouldnt be Dark Sniper.

[Solid_Snake37]

lol

[Jamzluminati]

ROFL

[thereapersson]

Sniping fools left and right.

Trolololololooool

[dredgewalker]

I have to admit, that was a funny trolling from Dark Sniper.

[JBaby343]

I've missed Dark Sniper from back in the day. Glad to have you back.

[Pandamobile]

What possesses people to write comments like this?

[StayStatic]

I know what you mean and I think my head is going to explode =/

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

It's called trolling, Dark Sniper is a normal dude, this is just his mainpage persona.

[SilentNegotiator]

Whatever possesses people to pretend to be a fanatic of something they hate.

[RememberThe357]

Love.

[BattleTorn]

In the word of Tony the Tiger....

Your post was "GG®®®eat! !"

hahaha, Battle Torn was amused.

[deadfrag]

Ken Kutaragi the guy that told the world the PS3 will do 120fps in games!What a joke!It makes 60fps in two or three games and 30fps barely in the others!

[cannon8800]

And it can, it all depends on the game and how demanding it it on the hardware. You also need a 120 hertz tv or else you'll only be receiving 60 fps at max. The ps3 can totally run some games at those frames but they would probably have to be cartoony games like shank and castle crashers, where they don't really use all of the graphical and processing power. Nothing crazy like killzone 3 or uncharted 3.

[kaveti6616]

"You also need a 120 hertz tv or else you'll only be receiving 60 fps at max."

If that's the case then the Super Nintendo can also run games at 120fps.

[NiKK_419]

Wasn't that supposed to be with multiple PS3s? TVs can't even handle 120Hz anyway.

[cannon8800]

@kaveti I was clearly talking about the games that could be running at 120 frames per second, but wouldn't because the tv didn't support 120 hertz. But I failed in my part because i should have written the second half of the paragraph first and then the first part last so that then you guys could have understood better. But i guess you guys like to cherry pick at everything.

[cannon8800]

@NiKK and Kaveti are you sure about that??? 120 hertz means that it refreshes the screen at 120 times per second, meaning, that if a game is able to be rendered at 120 individual frames per second then it would all be showing on the tv.

[jmac53]

Because Dark Sniper sounds like a Sony employee that just posted a press release on the N4G forums. Who actually uses the restricted symbol when typing.

[Tru_Ray]

Dark Sniper is definitely a PS3 Evangelist. How can anyone take his hyperbole seriously?

Tru_

[gypsygib]

DarkSniper is insane

[Rage_S90]

Darksniper is one of the main reasons N4G is now sony central before that believe it or not it was Ms land. He is an N4G legend.

[STONEY4]

About 2 or 2 and a half years ago and before, everything was pro-MS here. There was even a guy who acted exactly like DarkSniper named Zhuk, except he was pro-MS instead of pro-Sony. As in, he would put Xbox 360 with that trademark logo, and reference himself in third person while sounding like a Microsoft advertisement. Just like DarkSniper. They both existed at the same time, but Zhuk kinda disappeared when the sides started shifting...

Wait... coincidence?

[JBaby343]

It was bad circa 2007 but by 2008 it was really starting to change. I miss the comments and fanboy wars from back then. They were very entertaining. Those who weren't around missed all the verbal spits from zhuk, jason360, sak500, firstknight, the mart, dark sniper, black zhuk, meus renaissance, icewake, silogon and others. I wonder if the Sony and MS fanboys will come out in full force next-gen like they did at the beginning of this gen.

[Sevir]

It was a serious war on n4g back then when it was split into 2 sites, Ps3today and xbox360today. All the xbox fanboys came pouring in during 2006-2008 after MGS4 released and LBP and Resistance 2 dropped that year and uncharted 2 was announced in December that year they all cleared out and as you see now, this became haven for ps3 loyalist!

[PimpDaddy]

I joined this site in 2007. By the time I joined Sony loyalists had taken over this site. Sure you had a fair amount of 360 loyalists including myself trolling and flaming. But we were outnumbered even back then. It was at least 60/40 in favor of Sony. As I write this comment today it has to be around 90/10 in favor of Sony.

Nintendo lovers are either afraid to speak up or all migrated to VGChartz. PC lovers are considered the worst trolls so they are damn near extinct too.

That is the problem with this website. If your opinion does not agree with the mass pro Sony opinion on here then you get bombarded with disagrees and have bubbles taken. I hardly ever comment anymore. Just come here to read some news and laugh at the pro Sony bias on this website.

[sak500]

@jbaby

Did somebody mention my name ;)

Dont forget, zeeshan (aka naseem and his 100s of fake accounts), philharrison, Ken, maddens raiders.

Man if you read back the comments in 2k7 you'd see these guys writing about their top games coming out on ps3 in every article. They'd already predicted death of 360 when games like KZ2 would come out or GT5. For GT5 we surely ripped them apart as the game delayed 4~5 years after it's initial annoucements.

Those were the good days of my life.....in the summer of 2007..

@sevir right on POG is still on my xblive friends list

[JBaby343]

Sorry for all the people I missed in my list. I was just going off the top of my head. Those were definitely the days.

@ sak500: That's funny about POG. Maddens Raiders is on my PS3 friends list. He's still on this site pretty frequently too if I'm not mistaken as is the Mart who is very moderate now loving both the PS3 and 360. By the way you forgot Jack Tretton and Hydrolex.

[sak500]

@jbaby

That's cool i used to have arguments with maddens quite a lot.

BTW what was your handle back then?

[TheColbertinator]

Dark Sniper is a God among N4G men.

[trancefreak]

Didn't he win that Sony / Madden championship 2 years back?

[Megaman_nerd]

go get em boy!

[hellvaguy]

"There's no need for Sony to even manufacture the PS4, it can be delivered to your household via firmware update to your PS3."

Ok seriously do not drive any motor vehicle for several days or u will get a DUI from drinking all that spiked sony kool-aid. Its a great console dont get me wrong, but clearly yur punch drunk.

[danthebios]

Speaking about Ken Kutaragi dont you guy's realise that the ps4 wont have him involved at all unlike the previous consoles...makes you wonder,but always respect for the father of playstation ,peace.

[CarlitoBrigante]

Nice Shenmue avatar! Sony and SEGA ftw! :)

[ritsuka666]

bubbles for DARK SNIPER. welcome back dude...

[NeoTribe]

Lol.

[Ck1x]

This comment must be full of sarcasm, or just another Sony employee!

[Ulf]

This journalist is making an awful, awful lot of assumptions.

[GroundsKeeperJimbo]

Ah yes, the core of modern journalism. :]

[deadfrag]

No!im not seeing nvidia giving Amd the possibility to supply all next generation of consoles,and losing a lot of money in the process.I still think that the options for both PS4 and the next xbox in respect to the graphics chip is in the open and all that has been released to public is just rumors.

[Kingscorpion1981]

I wonder if Sony will still use the Cell Processor?

[2pacalypsenow]

i wouldn't be surprised if they still used it its very powerful and cheap for SONY and the only thing the next consoles need to upgrade is the ram and Graphics Chip

[dcbronco]

They better be using more than one Cell if they plan to compete with modern CPUs. That or plan to add a lot more than 6 SPUs.

[Virtual_Reality]

I hope they bring the performance to bring a 1080p native resolution, also it should run at 60FPS, and HDMI 1.4x for 3D without downgrading the details and graphics.

[Moerdigan]

1080P is a given, but I wan't to see more emphasis on AA.

[kainslayer]

with ati graphics ...??? yeah right dream on nvidia rules the filters sorry fuck crapy amd cards no performance with aa to be found! you will get mlaa again and say thank you sony

[kneon]

Actually you can probably count on HDMI 1.5

[dirthurts]

I think we'll see 1080p, but probably at 30fps for the most part.
1080p at 60fps still takes a bit of a beasty video card. Probably a bit too expensive for console use. I mean, current consoles are struggling to push 720p/30 most of the time.

[Mikhail]

AMD did report that they would boune back this year as they have unannounced project that will give them enough revenue going forward. Supplying the GPU for MS, Nintendo and Sony coincides with that statement.

Still, this is a rumor. Though with AMD and Sony PR denying it, it hints that it might be true.

Edit: I wonder what GPU they will use, I hope its the 6870 or probably the low-mid tier HD7000 series.

[Abdou23]

I thought they always partnered with nVIDIA !

[PimpDaddy]

They had Nvidia make the GPU for the PS3. Other than that to my knowledge they have either made their own custom GPU or partnered with other companies to make their GPU.

Edit: 8 people already agreed with you? Either you have 8 different accounts or their are 8 uninformed Sony loyalists that agreed with a false statement.

[Abdou23]

1 guy not me disagreed with you and no agrees.Maybe you are the uninformed one ?!!

[josephayal]

PS4 must show a dramatic leap in quality

[2pacalypsenow]

aww No Nvidia :-(

[airforcex]

Wow, AMD! If that's the case, and PS4 releases last, I would think it would be slightly better than Xbox. I'm guessing a faster Cell chip. Don't expect a big jump in graphics overall.

[Lulz_Boat]

A M D???
You M A D Sony???
nVidia FTW!

[wolokowoh]

And yet this doesn't mean anything. The Vita's hardware was in R&D for years, at least back to 2008 straight from Sony. I would hope that Sony had already been working on PS4 for at lest two years so it can be released by 2014/2015.

[BitbyDeath]

Ken K. planned an outline for PS4 and onwards before PS3 even hit the shelves.

[mechanicleman]

there is no need honestly.

[cliffyboy21]

im sure the ps4 will be bad ass! im waiting to see what it looks like, thats the best part

[TBONEJF]

Why on Earth would SONY use a AMD chip? They say their still using their CELL Processor in the new upcoming PS4 don'tt u guys remember? No probably not

[arjman]

They mean that Sony might be using an AMD GPU, not an AMD SoC or processor.

[GraveLord]

If this is true then it's bad news. Remember the PS3 uses Nvidia GPU. If an AMD/ATI one is used on PS4 say goodbye to B/C. I doubt PS4 will be able to emulate PS3 games lol.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Its not called PS4. Get used to it.

[DG90]

I don't understand why your getting dislikes... People clearly do not know that in Japan the number 4 is considered unlucky.. I think they'll keep the PlayStation name.. but scrap the numbers.

[Mikhail]

For B/C, its not GPU dependent but more on the processor t be utilize. The reason we don;t have PS2 compatibility on the PS3 slims is because the Emotion Engine is vastly different than the cell making porting/emulating PS2 games difficult/costly.

[Pana]

AMD? Uh oh, they've already lost next gen then, here's hoping it's a lie.

[iliimaster]

lol that pic is amazing

[Tsar4ever01]

They didn't EXACTLY SAY AMD will build the PS4 GPU officially, Just supply some of it's inner parts. But If this is true, All I can say is............WOW!!!!!

What about NVidia's technical prowess over Stereoscopic 3D tech, Physx & cuda? Is Sony really abandoning nVidia?

[ginsunuva]

It better be nvidia. Plus, AmD supplies more than gpus. They were a different company that bought the graphics-making ATI

[MadMen]

nVidia what a bad move if they indeed are not producing chips now for 2 systems that they had first.

BadBusiness nVidia AMD is moving up in the world it looks like

[Mike_Tha_Hero]

All this baseless speculation is stupid.

[Frankfurt]

AMD? Kiss your backwards compatibility and all your PSN content goodbye, then.

Unless they're sticking an extra chip in there (making it either too expensive or cheap and underpowered), that is.

[bobrea]

In other news, the sun will rise in the morning.

[Agent_hitman]

SONY got burn by using mid-end custom GT7900 GPU from nvidia for their PS3, and it was late when sony realized that what they put on PS3 was inferior, so at the end the only advantage left is the CELL, though thankfully, that cpu can handle GPU or shader task, still it failed them cause not all 3rd party dev can take advantage the full potential of the PS3..

Now they partnered with AMD, it's a great decision.

[trancefreak]

To bad the 8800 line wasn't quite there yet but there was no way that thing was getting crammed into a console box at the time with a price of 600usd.

Let alone a cooling solution for that 90nm chip.

[arjman]

It would've been much, MUCH cheaper for Sony since they would've ordered millions of 8800 chips driving the cost down. Cooling would've been a bitch though lol.

[Adolph Fitler]

Well duuuuh...anybody who doubted that PS4 was well in the works needed there head read. The only question is, how far along into development is the PS4, hence, when can we buy one?

And the reason they would choose to use AMD would rely heavily upon what developer input. Sony stated ages ago that developers would be helping them in the design process of future PS products...The Vita is early proof of this, & PS4 will take it to another level. So look for PS4 to be very easy to develop for, as this is the routte Sony have openly stated they will take. So in other words, PS4 may well just be another 360 type console that allows very easy pc porting, but has no unique abilities.

[ilovemyps3]

He was right. Ps3 can output 120hz... On 4 different games.

[Koloss]

No crap they're working on a PS4. They've probably been working on it for a few years now.

[crazypicklemonkey]

yea

[Rayko]

good news. Then a PS4 and a Wii U will be my next consoles. Xbox 720 will only be 20% more powerfull than Wii U and be focused on Kinnect and military action games ZzZzZzZzZzZz.

[crazypicklemonkey]

cant wait

[Droid Control]

AMD? What about backwards compatibility?

[portal_2]

I want Sony to announce something at E3 - I'm sure they won't though :( Damn you Sony, I've got my Vita now I need a new console announcement!

[llMurcielagoll]

Hmm I am a big fan of nVidia. I wonder how would things turn out if Sony worked with them for the PS4

[zero_cool]

@gypsygib backwards capability is important to the majority of gamers & that's a fact!

http://share.blog.us.playst...

http://share.blog.us.playst...

Here's more clues that points towards what sony is more then likely considering for PS4 or whatever they officially call it by launch...

http://blogs.nvidia.com/201...

http://myona.com/2011/08/09...

http://www.ps4forums.org/32...

Cheers Gamers & Happy Gaming!

[MW3_KILLSHOT12]

right now online gaming is at its peak i dont think we'll be seeing another Playstation console for another 4 years, think about the problems people will have if it launches and people scramble for a BS system

[Koloss]

While it would be quite an achievement to actually reach their "10-year lifespan plan" I just don't think it will happen. The release of the Wii U and Xbox 3 (if that's released soon) will prompt Sony to release something to keep up with them. They would not be scrambling to make a new system either. Chances are they've been working on a new system for a few years already. My guess is we will see the PS4 and Xbox 3 released in 2013-2014.

[Zephol]

Curse we are! I want Doom 4 and Half Life 2: Episode Three in Ps4!

[zero_cool]

Science is unique in that its methods demand not only that the ideas proposed be tested and replicated, but everything science comes up with is also inherently falsifiable. In other words, unlike religion and politics, science has no ego, and everything it suggests accepts the possibility of being proven wrong eventually. It holds on to nothing and evolves constantly.”

[GameGuy]

I just want to know if the online multiplayer is going to be free.

[Gamerita]

AMD best in business BETTER AA & Colorful image,hence why microsoft & Nintendo use AMD aka ATI graphics. it's far more suitable for Consoles than dry Nvidia. :)

[Platinum_k]

Cutting put all the nerd talk... THIS IS A GOOD MOVE BY SONY

[Adolph Fitler]

I think all you people expecting b/c from next gen consoles in this day & age...need to get with the program.....It is just too expensive to throw everything you want in, & when they do, everyone whinges & whines about price. I mean, Americans whined about PS3's price when it launched with all the new tech, as well as full b/c due to the damn thing having a PS2 chip in it (I think it was the Emotion chip) so as it would run EVERY PS2 game without issue, as it was essentially a PS2 inside a PS3. So Sony axed the b/c to cost cut & pass this onto consumers....then consumers still whined like bitches about them taking out b/c.......If you want all these features people, stop whining, & like Krazy Ken told you, "be willing to work overtime to buy these machines".

Thanks to whinging Americans, the European & Australian PS3's already had the Emotion Engine ommitted from our launch machines & we were stuck paying through the nose, as opposed to America that paid far less from the start besides the fact our $ was not far off the U.S. $. In fact, we also were only offered the 60gig machine for $1000au, which I paid without question, nor complaint. If you don't want to pay the high end price for these brand new technologies, then you should wait 5-6 years until the next machine launches, then pick up last gens machine cheap with a bunch of games......

Backwards compatability is a thing of the past....thank Sony that they were generous enough to give it to us for 2 gens without question, & 3 for early adopters like myself (even though we were only given emulation versions, although every PS2 game I have put in my PS3 has worked with hiccup or fail).
B/C is gone in favor of cheaper production costs, & the latest trend of re-selling (milking) these games to us over PSN or XBL.

Sony are now completely sold out & will be offering a standard, run of the mill, pc-esque next gen console that will have no identifiable features to differentiate itself from 720 or Wii-U, apart from the outer shell & controller.
We are enetering a new era of console gaming, brought in speed to us by MS.
I'm hoping I'm wrong, but logic depicts that what I have said is right.
I think my next gen consoles will have to be PS4 & Wii-U, as as usual the determining factor for console purchases will be the games, & Sony are 1st by a longshot in this regard thanks to there inhouse developers (unless they keep axing them for budget cuts & destroying them as shown with Cambridge Studios & London Studios). Then Nintendo are definately 2nd due to there family focus with high quality Mario platformers & Zelda.

[Adolph Fitler]

Sony should just do us all a favor & stop screwing around, & announce the PS4 just before E3, & announce it's release for late November, Early December this year......That would shock the industry & make MS rush out another (100% fault rate) console.

If Sony released PS4 this year, masses of people would definately buy it....They would gain back many of there customers that bought 360's due to the fact it released a full yr (more in Europe, Australia, etc) ahead of PS3. I bought a launch PS3, & I have been next gen gaming since I bought a 360 a few months after it launched (so 6 yrs), so I know I would buy a PS4 on day 1, & I know a shitload more would also do the same, as we are ready to see the next gen. now.

Sony need every advantage, & 1 of the biggest advantages is releasing before your competition, so for Sony to get PS4's off the manufacturing line & into shops by years end, or 1st quarter 2013 is detrimal......Now, if they could also somehow include b/c that would also help sales & be a blessing (won't happen though), & unlike there dismal, almost non-existant PS3 marketing, they would need to hammer the ads & other marketing for PS4.....and just as importantly they need to offer familiarity with there games, so announce the Syphon Filters, Medievil's, Unchartered's, Killzone's, TM's, Getaways, etc, etc, early on....& don't cancel any of these classics, or other games that are creating huge positive hype & buzz (like shown with 8 Days)...I'm sure the cancellation of these 2 games determined many console choices, as cancelling games this huge does not instill consumer confidence.

And lastly, please Sony, don't waste good money on following Nintendo's trend with this crap of wasting money on screens in controllers.....if I want a tablet, I'll buy a dedicated tablet. I'd prefer to have the best tech inside the machine to allow the best physics, AI, graphics, etc....not some stupid ass led screen in the controller....as there no possible use I can think of, that gets me excited to have such a useless, gimmicky feature.....In fact, i'd prefer the console launch with a vibrating penis attachment that simulates sex in game & jerks me off......At least this way I know I'm actually getting jerked off physically for my money, as opposed to metaphorically like with Wii & Wii-U's gimmicky, hammy, controllers.

[DieMan]

this is defiantly going to happen, in the next coming years they are sure to come out with a much more powerful and faster console than the ps3... and hopefully it is full backwards compatible. maybe even a UMD slot?