Don’t Be Shocked If The PS4 Is Less Powerful Than The Next Xbox

Geek Revolt writes "There’s a good chance that a new Xbox will be unveiled next year, and a new PlayStation will follow shortly after. This is leading some people to assume that the PS4 will automatically be more powerful than the next Xbox, since it’ll be released later. This could be true, but there’s a chance it might not be. Here are a few reasons why the PS4 could be less powerful than the next Xbox."

[TheKindRoost]

this is going to get hot! the author forgot something though, with games like uncharted, killzone and gt5 set the bar pretty high for graphic dept for Sony, they will have no choice but to push for a more powerful specced console.

[SonyPS360]

Name dropping games from the next gen doesn't really mean anything when you talk about how powerful the console will be next to its rivals.

The ps3 is falsely assumed to be the more powerfull console this generation, then Crysis 2 and Gears 3 came along and proved that to be a load.

The Xbox was more powerfull than the Ps2.

So indeed, don't be suprised if the next xbox is more powerfull. I don't see why it couldn't be, the same is true the other way round. Either console could be "more powerfull" or they might be about equal like the are now.

Either way, it'll be about a month before a top end gaming PC will be more powerfull than all the next gen consoles.

Bring on the disagrees. I know this will be flooding with fanboys.

[M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L]

Sony360 : I speak for everyone when I say this.

Take a backseat and let actual gamers talk. Thanks.

"The ps3 is falsely assumed to be the more powerfull console this generation, then Crysis 2 and Gears 3 came along and proved that to be a load. "

That's opinion and not fact. Sorry to say. Also, Gears 3 isn't even out so how can you sit down and compare it with PS3 games that are already out?

You don't know what you're talking about.

[amilio]

LOL u got no agree dude LOL. when something like dis comes on this site. prepare for the drones

[Big_Dom]

You weren't wrong about the disagrees. How anyone with knowledge of the respective platforms can disagree is beyond me, so I suppose most that did with your comment are just retarded fanboys who havent a clue. BTW, I was the second person to agree.

Marshow appears to be up his own hole there.

[SonyPS360]

@marshow

I like how claim to be an "actual gamer" and go on to give no reasonable counter argument, or say anything to make yourself out to be an "actual gamer" for that matter.

Listen. I play games on all platforms, you're in no position to go throwing out labels on who is a 'real' gamer and who isn't, so I politely ask YOU to take a back seat, and either bring a solid counter argument or quit trying to be a smartass.

All you need to do is LOOK at Gears 3 to see it looks just as good as any console game out there, and if you don't agree you're either retarded or blinded by stupid fanboyism. I notice you didn't refute my Crysis 2 comment at all, or even mention for that matter. Why is that?

If making a retort to that one snippet from my comment is the best you're gonna do, then you really need to take your own advice and take a back seat, sonny jim.

I would go into the technical side of things, like how the Ps3's architecture is tediously designed, but like other people who claim the Ps3 is such a leap over the 360, it'll probably be nothing more than jibberish to you. So many fanboys try and talk about the internal workings of these machines without a clue as to what they're talking about, I commend you for not being dumb enough to do that.

Why is it only PC gamers are able to see that there's not much of a difference between the level of graphics on the 360 and Ps3?

If you want the power, get a gaming PC. There's no argument.

@Big_Dom

Notice that I have 19 disagrees, but only 1 of them was able to (try and) argue my point and actually replied. It's nice to be proven right so quickly.

[Hicken]

First, Crysis didn't prove anything. If you think a sterile environment like that of Crysis requires nearly as much power as the landscapes of Killzone, you need a bit more education on the subject.

And, as marshow said, Gears3 isn't out yet, and what I've seen isn't quite a match (graphically, anyway), for UC3. Forza's also not out yet, so no use comparing it to GT5.

Finally, why do you feel the need to bring up computers in a debate about consoles? Yes, computers are more powerful; everybody knows that. Yes, they've got great graphics, blah, blah, blah. Keeping up with the newest tech is also a helluva lot more expensive than buying a new console once.

There is CURRENTLY NO GAME for the 360 that can boast that it's superior to a counterpart on the 360, and do so in a manner that shows the PS3 to be weaker hardware.

[DualConsoleOwner]

And they found that PS3 is SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than xbox 360.

They said PS3 has almost three times the processing power of Xbox 360.
it is just really hard to program for.

Edit
Oh yea... and Crysis 2 on console has fps crashes. Sub HD. really bad AA. terrible pop ups. inconsitent textures and etc...
Lens of Truth did an analysis and was decided that Killzone 3 looks better than 360 version of Crysis 2.

It cant beat PS3's 3rd best looking game. PS3 has been king of console graphics ever since KZ2.
it wouldnt have been possible if PS3 wasnt more powerful.

http://www.lensoftruth.com/...

[Dramscus]

You guys are all arguing about the wrong thing here.

They won't announce the ps4 in 2013 they'll anounce it in 2014 then release the year after that.

Their probably going to give the next xbox two years to itself. During which they will sell record amounts of ps3's as the ps3 will be cheap and many games will be multi platform between the ps3 wii u and xbox whatever. Except exclusives of course.

Looking back it should be obvious to thehm that pushing up their planned s-chedule of console release to closer to when the other guys release is just stupid.

Sony is supporting this with all the talk of the ps3 going on for at least ten years and such, Plus their still selling ps2's.

In addition it would really go a step forward with their old line of "The next generation starts when we say."

I mean if they just kick it for a bit in last generation they could really mess things up for their competition.

Also the ps3 is faster than the xbox 360. The Cell runs at 230.4 giga flops.
While the xbox 360 gets 96.0 giga flops. See two didgits instead of three means less speed.

The graphics chips for both consoles are pretty comparable. They both have strengths and weakness' but the one in the xbox is a bit better to be honest.
Though thats not really a surprise since sony has stated that the ps3 wasn't designed with a graphic chip in mind originally. They just put it in to make it easier for developers to develop for.

In anycase as usual I am right with no fanboy bias. Enjoy your day, stay neutral.

[thewhoopimen]

@Sony360

Why I bother to even respond to your sophmoric argument, I don't know but here goes:

If you want to argue the point that the 360 is more power than the ps3, fine, it's your perogative, but don't associate your opinions with mine.

If I were to argue that the 360 was more powerful... (which it isn't)... I wouldn't begin using a multiplatform game or a multiplatform engine as my arguing points.

When Crysis2 runs on both the 360 and Ps3, the most you can argue about the 360 is that it is on 'par'. There isn't a 'better' in this scenario. Using Gears3 as an example for the 360 contention is equally retarded. When both consoles run the Unreal3 Engine (which is btw, like 5-6 years old now?)... you can only argue parity as well.

Thus your logic is left wanting and your shell accounts 'backing you up' are just as empty.

Finally, the FACT that Xbox360 is now in Kinect/Wii lala land and strictly focusing on that suggests to me that Microsoft is looking at everything other than 'power' to argue console viability. Enjoy your hand waving and feet stomping fun.

[SonyPS360]

Lovely. A plethora of baseless comments and "lens of truth" links.

You fanboys really do take the piss.

I'll respond generally, as you seem to all sing the same tune.

1. The Ps3 is not more powerful, if you're going to claim that some random article "proved it's X times more powerful", then at least provide a source. By the way, it's bullshit, and processing power isn't the only thing that goes on in a games console.

2. Crysis 2 was the basis for my argument that they are equally capable, not that one is more capable than the other. I never said one is more powerful, I said that they're about equal. They're both running on half a decade old hardware, only one has a fanbase that thinks it's some kind of alien machine with untapped power (that's most of you).

Plenty of sources have stamped Crysis 2 has one of the best looking console games out there, and it's available on both consoles and runs pretty much equally well on both. You can say "Well X exclusive was compared to it in Y article and blah blah blah". Have you looked at the games side by side?

3. Gears 3 running on a "5 year old game engine" is kind of a funny argument, being that the "5 year old game engine" has seen an enormous amount of upgrades and changes to the point that it simply can't be considered the same as it was. If you had any idea what you was talking about when it came to games engines (you don't, mentioning it doesn't mean you do) you'd know that the engine's name isn't the only factor in what goes into building a games visually.

If what you said is true, you have a game running on 5 year old technology that looks just as good as any AAA console game today. Mentioning what game engine it's running on doesn't make a difference if you can look at it and see it holds up to the best there is today (refer to earlier comment: if you can't see this, then you're blind with fanboyism or retarded).

It's kind of fruitless to use any sensible argument in a comments section filled to the brim with fanboys, but thankfully hammering me with "disagrees" doesn't prove anything more other than there's just more of you :)

Have fun with your one gaming platform kids :)

[SilentNegotiator]

"The ps3 is falsely assumed to be the more powerfull console this generation, then Crysis 2 and Gears 3 came along and proved that to be a load"
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How dare you call people delusional when you claim that some game without anti-aliasing and another that is also sub-HD are benchmarks of the consoles.

This only goes to show that you don't even have a PS3 to compare these games to go on about.

Killzone 3 displays large areas with steady framerates and great sight distance, great animations, complex geometry, spectacular anti-aliasing that has no counterpart on the 360, is HD, and supports smooth 3D all at the same time.

Who's really the delusional one here?

[M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L]

Sony360: All I hear spewing out of your mouth is words that can't be backed up in ANY way whatsoever. So again, take the backseat and shut it. Your obvious hate for the PS3 and Sony is showing. You're the one that's acting like the fanboy here.

[Hicken]

"1. The Ps3 is not more powerful, if you're going to claim that some random article "proved it's X times more powerful", then at least provide a source. By the way, it's bullshit, and processing power isn't the only thing that goes on in a games console."

Oh? So you're admitting the PS3 has superior processing power? Last I checked, when one thing has more power than another, it's MORE POWERFUL.

"2. Crysis 2 was the basis for my argument that they are equally capable, not that one is more capable than the other. I never said one is more powerful, I said that they're about equal. They're both running on half a decade old hardware, only one has a fanbase that thinks it's some kind of alien machine with untapped power (that's most of you)."

That is, essentially, pointless. A game can be developed that looks equally as good on the 360 as on the N64. And, in general, developers tend to make games look and play about the same on each console; because the 360 is easier to develop for, the PS3 version of multiplatform games usually suffers from being a port. There's also laziness like the fiasco with Bayonetta.

"Plenty of sources have stamped Crysis 2 has one of the best looking console games out there, and it's available on both consoles and runs pretty much equally well on both. You can say "Well X exclusive was compared to it in Y article and blah blah blah". Have you looked at the games side by side?"

Case in point. And, as I said, the graphics of Crysis 2 are sterile environments and easy-to-code cityscapes. It's not on the level of the PS3's best looking titles, so how good "plenty of sources" say it looks means nothing in the face of that.

"3. Gears 3 running on a "5 year old game engine" is kind of a funny argument, being that the "5 year old game engine" has seen an enormous amount of upgrades and changes to the point that it simply can't be considered the same as it was. If you had any idea what you was talking about when it came to games engines (you don't, mentioning it doesn't mean you do) you'd know that the engine's name isn't the only factor in what goes into building a games visually."

No matter how many overhauls you give it and superchargers you put on it, a '69 Chevelle is not a new car. Making it perform like a 2011 ZR-1 would require that everything that makes the car what it is. It then becomes a Chevelle in name only.

"If what you said is true, you have a game running on 5 year old technology that looks just as good as any AAA console game today. Mentioning what game engine it's running on doesn't make a difference if you can look at it and see it holds up to the best there is today (refer to earlier comment: if you can't see this, then you're blind with fanboyism or retarded)."

So, while the entire time you've been saying "you have no proof" and "you're using random article A," you're doing that very same thing. And to make matters worse, you're using the fact that you're wrong in a sad attempt to prove you're right. "All you disagreeing with me just means you're fanboys."

Really?

[DragonKnight]

This article is actually incredibly speculative and there is one key problem with it. That being that Kaz Hirai himself stated a LONG time ago that developers are going to be brought in to weigh in on the development of the PS4. He is determined to give them what they want, which will likely cost less than the PS3 did and have a great improvement as well since devs know what they most want to work with that will be a performance pusher, but not difficult to use.

http://www.industrygamers.c...

In an interview with Develop, SCE Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida indicated that SCE head Kaz Hirai implemented a change in philosophy in the company when he took over for Ken Kutaragi. “When Ken Kutaragi moved on and Kaz Harai became the president of SCE, the first thing Kaz said was, ‘get World Wide Studios in on hardware development’,” Yoshida said. “So he wanted developers in meetings at the very beginning of concepting new hardware, and he demanded SCE people talk to us [developers].”

[swinesucker]

You are full of ****. Sorry bud. Gears 3 is not even released and again has zero AA. Crysis 2 has so many problems it is not even worth mentioning. SubHD and zero decent AA are too HUGE gorillas in the room. The game looks good but to even compare it to KZ3 is madness at this point and I have a lot of hate towards KZ3 and the matchmaking and freezing issues the game has on my PS3. As for Uncharted 2. Yeah, no game still has surpassed that game for GFX and they are set to release the sequel in a couple of months with much better SSAO and just all around better AA with their own custom MLAA solution from what I have read. The game will simply put ANY game on consoles to sleep. And what say you now about Portal 2 and LA Noire being consistently better looking on the PS3 in every regard? Not much. The tides have turned. Deal with it. Gears runs on Unreal engine for god's sake you frickin' fanboy.

[MaxXAttaxX]

@Sony360
Do you honestly think Gears 3 looks as good as the bullsho-- sorry, screenshots released by epic!?
Gears 1 didn't. Gears 2 didn't.

Gears 3 has a better lighting system FINALLY. Yet it's still no better than other games. The amount of tricks Epic uses to hide flaws, such as blur instead of anti-aliasing, sub HD texture and resolutions. Please.
____

Anyway, we have not clue yet as to what the specs or more importantly, what GAMES each console will deliver.

[avengers1978]

Gears does look like its going to be great, but Infamous 2 is amazing, resistance 3 looks great, and none of those games compare to Uncharted 3 witch is still the game that pushes what next gen should be. PS3 clearly has more power, but the 360 does deliver with what they have... The article fails to mention that the cost of the PS3 was so high at first was because sony developed a new processor for the system, and put in what at the time was very new blu-ray tech, so new that no one was sure which format would previal. Sony can now focus on adding cheaper things like more memory and better online and still come out with a powerful and cheaper machine.

[playboi28]

If the PS3 isn't more powerful, why can't Gears of War display more than 8 characters on screen at a time? Apparently, Gears sets the bar but isn't even that great. The PS3's level of detail is unparalleled. Look at Drake in Uncharted (either one). Every time he takes cover, he is in a slightly different position. Look at Resistance. You can kill a Chimera by shooting each independent tube they use for breathing. Look at Heavenly Sword. It has almost every language on one Bluray. Look at Final Fantasy XIII. It all fit on one disc instead of three (Also L.A. Noire, Mass Effect 2). I realize that has nothing to do with power but it does have something to do with them cutting corners and not putting the technology in their system. And finally, you can say what you will about the PS3 but the price still wasn't as much as having to buy 2-3 Xbox 360's due to RRoD's. Does anyone know one single person that bought an Xbox 360 more than two years ago that did not have to send it in or replace it?

[Keltik82]

@Sony360

Can you be anymore of a tool, seriously. You're so wrong on so many levels, lol. I just feel so bad for you. I guess you can enjoy your new Sesame Street game or Skittles I guess?

[Bull5hifT]

I Really Dont Think they'll be a next eCKz-BauwxXz cause M!cro-Hard lost around 3 Billion on the system and alot of top level managment jumped ship..... But now that windows phone is doing alright and also the kinect maby they might try again......... .i Highly Doubt that it would be Stronger Than what sony is planning... The good thing about sony is that instead of sticking everyday stuff into there systems that game companys can just spit out a decent game using normal tools, sony challenges the developers to try and unlock these chips like the CELL and that Ultra Fast Ram... if they woulda stuck an off the shelf product developers would just make a game simple with the existing toolset, but since ps3 is uncharted territory developers have to challenge themselves to unlock the possibilities PS2 was able to squeeze out God Of War, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo, Grand Theft Auto, Ico, And many other great games..with the weakest hardware last gen.... And it helps the industry make huge strides to developing great games using current hardware instead of waiting till next gen and For Crytek, Unreal, iD, to get there engines up to this level ready to make what there building now on current gen ' its brutal for the developers to force a new way of games but ... If it werent for people like sony wed still be paying top dollar for nintendo type games thinking this is the best they can do

[reznik_zerosum]

pc will still be the best

[JOHN_DOH]

next gen console won't be as fast as a high end pc. High end pcs can use 2 or 3 graphics cards and the next gen consoles gpu will be scaled down probably due to heat and power.(TDP)

[WhittO]

These are like the longest comments from everyone on any piece of news I've seen haha!

[BenEViolent]

oops: quote something from 6 years ago lol

[paintsville]

Why would I be shocked? This gen xbox is more powerful than ps3 so why would the next gen be any different? PS3 with it's horrible fillrate, horrible frame rates, horrible shadows, horrible implemetaions of SSAO, and horrid alpha blending limitations. Then come the "Exclusives". Exclusives are written to "HIDE" all these deficientcies that become apparrent when a game releases on both 360 and PS3. In that case 95% not 100% but 95% of the time the power of the 360 shows through with superior performance, sharper textures, no installs required, etc. That the next xbox is going to follow suit and whip PS4 is not a surprise at all.

[Statix]

@Sony360: I'm sorry, but I will have to respectfully disagree. I personally feel I have a decent grasp of technical knowledge regarding gaming graphics and technology. Sure, I would agree that the 360 and PS3 are "about equal" in terms of multiplatform development, but the only reason that is the case is because a) most developers use the 360 as the lead platform first and foremost, with the PS3 version usually being a port; and b) the 360 has a more PC-like architecture which is more familiar and easy-to-develop-for to most developers. You cannot compare multiplatform games to exclusive titles, as they are not representative of the full potential of each console's capabilties. I realize you mentioned Gears 3, but that game really doesn't hold up on a technical basis to the top-tier PS3 titles. This is not to say that Gears 3 isn't a great-looking game, but I could give you a laundry list of reasons and graphical features that differentiate it from the best-looking PS3 games, and how it is generally lacking in comparison.

In terms of raw power and progressiveness of technology, the PS3 is significantly ahead in overall horsepower in many areas (with a few exceptions, i.e., the 8 MB of embedded RAM and the slightly faster GPU of the 360). The Cell processor is simply much more capable in terms of theoretical floating-point performance, although its complexity causes many multiplatform developers to steer away from heavily optimizing their games to exploit it in a manner befitting. The Blu-Ray medium also has a huge storage capacity advantage over the 360's regular DVD, and this is proving to much more and more of a factor--and problematic for the 360--as we go deeper into this generation of consoles, as shown with games such as Dead Space 2, RAGE, FFXIII, and LA Noire. I bought the PS3 because I felt it would be overall the most advanced console on the market this generation, and thus far I have been proven correct for the most part.

@paintsville: There are many ignorant and glaringly erroneous statements in your fanboy rant, but I just have to laugh at one point you made in particular. The PS3 has "horrible implementations of SSAO?" This is a pretty ridiculous and ironic statement, as Uncharted 2 probably has the most convincing and well-done SSAO of any console game I've seen this generation; Uncharted 3 will probably raise the bar once again on this feature as well.

Regarding your assertion that exclusives are meant to "hide deficiencies..." isn't that also true of 360 exclusives, and ANY multiplatform game, in general? I don't disagree that the PS3 has deficiencies (it IS a 5-year old piece of hardware after all), but the same can be said of the 360. Every console has their unique set of strengths and weaknesses; EVERY good developer (1st-party and 3rd-party) tries to hide said deficiencies and emphasize the strengths as best they can, and within budget. I just feel that, on a raw power basis, the PS3 is a significantly more capable platform than the 360, providing that enough effort is put into coding and optimizing for the PS3's eccentric architecture. Your statement that the PS3 has weaknesses is really a non-statement; it's like saying the sky is blue.

[Adam2101]

i will criticize all

1.graphics are being upgraded and released within 3 months or so, and the ps3 was released a year after the Xbox 360 , thus means that the ps3 will have some extra flavor in power. that's not opinion that's a fact.

2.the Xbox 360 focused on 3rd partie and on kinect mostly and didn't release alot of exclusives (yes there are great exclusives the fans love for ex: gears 3,halo reach and the upcoming halo 4 etc) but sony was all over their exclusives ( infamous 2, uc2 n now uc3 , godofwar 3, killzone 3, resistance 3 etc )

3.i think its not a question who has more power its about who is using the power, sony is using by focusing on graphics and gameplay(example: UC3, GOW3..)
microsoft isn't, so its microsoft's fault. and they can focus on power, i belive crysis 2 was a power house and it was great and it ran on 360 and ps3. im not saying they are equal but they both have good power, and now we have Skyrim coming for both consoles, among other games coming in 2011

4.i believe one of the major problems is the disk space, its pathetic to say we dont need blueray. alot of ps3 games are 20gb+ , which means more space = more content or better graphics (logic)

5.affordable and great games(the wii?) we are talking HD gaming, the wii is "FUN" but gets boring so quick, and yes it has a couple great games.

6.and finally i love both consoles,i just have fun. if i like a game i get it,ps3 or 360

[lategamer]

Your so wrong on so many points:

1.) Graphics are constantly being upgraded, yes. However, the GPU the PS3 uses was actually about a year old when it launched. The GPU in 360 is better, proven fact.

2.) Yes, 360 focused a lot on third party. But, the third party also had games that were previously on PS consoles, not 360. Devil May Cry, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil (never came to Xbox, on Nintendo and Sony), etc. 360 also had a lot of exclusives early in the gen, Perfect Dark, Kameo, Crackdown, Gears, Halo, Project Gotham, Forza etc. Now, Microsoft is focusing mostly on Kinect Titles.

3.) Kind of Agreed. It's not really Microsofts fault, but developers. Just like how early this gen, games ran badly on PS3. Developers need to push the architecture. Its crazy how 360's best looking games, Crysis and soon to be Gears 3 run on MULTIPLATFORM engines, not ones built ground up to take advantage of it.

4.)Disc space isn't a big problem. Contrary to popular believe, textures and such don't take up much space. Audio and CG do. PS3 games are so big because developers don't compress audio. They don't have to.

5.) /
6.) /

[Adam2101]

@lategamer,

yeah your right on some points, i still think xbox 360 can do more cause i think it has power.

not saying its equal to ps3 (and i really dont know if it is) but i read a while back that UC2 developers said UC2 cant be done on xbox 360, i was curious what he really meant.

cause i think it can be done (doesnt have to be the same game but they can adjust a little for it to fit)

[FamilyGuy]

Question: There's this pointless argument about power here and to this I ask, Who's doing HD, Stereoscopic, 3D gaming and having exclusives that look noticeably better and who's loosing visuals because their sacrificing processing power to a camera peripheral?

PS3 games are getting better while *the majority* of what's coming from 360 has been downgraded in comparison to the games of its past. Gears and Halo are the only games getting proper treatment from Microsoft.

In terms of 3D gaming: The PS3 is rendering two beautiful images simultaneously while the 360 only 1, that alone should tell you which system has more power.

[Mkai28]

Hmmm, I don't know about that "loosing visuals with kinect". Did you see Forza 4 using Kinect?

Yes, the majority of PS3 exclusives seem to be better in visuals. But it's pointless to preach what most ppl already know. You ppl get so offended when some one has their own opinion.

I look at these comments and see the same broken record over and over again. You all sound like vain preachers trying to convert gamers into joining your side. "Renounce the 360 and embrace the PS3 and ye shall be saved!"

3D I care not much for, too expensive(PS3, 3DHDtv, and 3D glasses) for an headache or worst.

This site has become a joke, a ppl that put a console over all things, worship your god and see if it will hear your praise.

Sigh, same arguments, same comments, same site, different day..

[FamilyGuy]

I'm honestly surprised people are still bringing up this old argument. It feels like 2009 around here again -_-

[joab777]

Unfortunately this generation, Sony was only able to get back into the game because of their high specs. It just took time for developers to catch up. My guess is that it remains more powerful but w similar set up. What they cannot afford is to b a year behind w foreign specs that take 3 years t o understand. As far as price, drop the blue ray. Everyone will have one soon and go to digital utilizing a relationship w steam or a similar way to play games for cheaper. Its a risk but u r able to put out the more powerful system cheaper games. It may b time and enough to get ppl to switch to digital. If Xbox cost $100 more and charges $70 to $50 game price, Sony would have huge advantage. And vice versa. I love them both and just want the best system,not a dumbing down.but i believe the age of two identical systems vying for power is over. They will begin to separate themselves by offering different experiences, ie. Kinnect, the wiki and vita. Sony was smart going mobile. Ibelieve the ultimate winner will capitalize on the ability to offerboth the best home and mobile experience. I just figured apple might sneak in. But, imagine games that can b played at home and then brought w u. For skyrim, u can earn XP and gold on the go. Madden on the go, cod on the go. There has to b a way to create a game that plays on both, maybe losing a little while mobile or distinct aspects that can only b played mobile. Which skyrim would u buy? Which cod? We hav all seen the recent dominance of iPhone games. But what we really want is AAA titles, right? Best of luck,cuz ultimately we r the winners.

[showtimefolks]

when devs are saying wii-u is %50 more powerful than current consoles in 2-3 years why can't the xbox360 and ps4 be %50 more powerful than wii-u

and next gen i fully expect both xbox and ps to have easy development tools and about the same specs.

people who will buy xbox720 will do so to play MS's 1st party games and improved kinect.

people who will buy ps4 will do so to play 1st party titles and move.

I think the time where 3rd party exclusives existed are long gone now its about what you get in 1st party wise.

also epic studio had a 3 game deal with MS since gears 3 is it if they do make more gears games expect them to be on all 3 consoles and pc.

[Mkai28]

Bubbles for you for sounding intelligent, and not like a fanbum. Every one sounds the same, saying the same nonsense over and over.

[CarlosX360]

If the console is slightly powerful than [next] Xbox it's understandable. And honestly, I don't care.

If PS3 matched the specs of Xbox 360, then I am happy about the outcome.

[cannon8800]

The majority of these articles that say "why this is going to work, or not, or is going to sell more," are usually catastrophic and just looking for hits(which it usually gets) because it usually never works out. The title should say, "why i think" and not "why this won't work" etc. Plus, these also create lots of unnecessary flame wars, and so instead of uniting gamers together, it ruins possible bonds between different console gamers.

[InTheLab]

As long as they move away from DVD...who cares...

Edit: I take that back. Look at what Sony has done with Vita. Who's to say they're not cramming as much tech into their next console to at least be on par with it's competition.

[iforgotmylogin]

Vita is a different story.
thats a gpu and cpu are kinda expensive if sony could they woulda sold it for 400$.

for sonys ps4 it doesnt work out like that on the pc front. unless sony is putting millions i mean Millions to dev some secret chip again, i dont see them going above and beyond to pull another ps3 for gen 8.

sony will most likely have to stick with nvidia because of the ps3 gpu if they want to be 100% backwards compatable so, dont go expecting crazy unless you want another 599 us dollars situation.

[Studio-YaMi]

If their new system pulls off another PS3 and great graphics like they did this gen,then I wont mind paying 599$ for it,it would be nice to get something cheap,but good things cost money ! money that "I" am willing to pay and no one can enforce me not to !

[awi5951]

Damn that im not paying 599 i will trick out my pc first. The games on pc are so damn cheap ive made my money back several times over the cost of my upgrades. I spent about i say 600 bucks on my pc. i put a new cpu in it and found 3 cheap ass graphics cards. I spent the same on my ps3 but i have way more games on pc. The steam sales are nuts you get a 50 dollar game for like 10 or 19 bucks sometimes and games that are 5 months old you get for 7 bucks. I got so many damn games on my steam account i cant play them all.

[koehler83]

I think they're both going to hold the opinions of third party devs as gospel. As such, they're likely to create very similarly spec'd machines. They'll just expand on their current architectures.

My guess is probably 24 threads with 4GB of RAM, at least 1GB of that being VRAM, maybe 2GB. I'd like to see both include standard SSDs too.

[Raf1k1]

SSDs would be nice but I doubt the tech will be cheap enough by the time they go into production.

[koehler83]

Yeah, I agree. Still.. fingers crossed.

[rob6021]

neither will probably have a hard drive of any kind, probably 8gb of flash memory with the option to expand.

[ChrisW]

It's the smart-phone market that's eating up the SSD chip supply and thus keeping them expensive because of the demand. The technology to make them cheap is relatively there. It's making them fast enough to appease both markets that's causing the problem.

[house]

thats the same bet of apecs i have against my buddy hes thinking on the other hand 2gbs of ram with 2gbs of vram

[bozebo]

The ps4 will either have a new variation of Cell or a new quad/tri core IBM or Intel cpu and it will probably go with nVidia graphics. Most likely 2GBs of video memory and 4GB of system (the most sensible cost-performance)

Basically for graphics, just look at PCs 1 year before launch - that is the best way to predict console performance and if you did that you would have been right about guessing the PS3's specs. Then developers have time to get used to the quirks and specialities of the dedicated hardware so they are able to effectively double that performance.

[vandal GAB]

The rumour is MS are about to buy Nvidia so I'm not so sure the PS4 will have a Nvidia Gpu!

[rob6021]

Listening to the Devs doesn't always work out best, remember when Sony decided to include a HDD with the PS3?

[Hicken]

... and exactly where did that go wrong?

[rob6021]

True it worked out best for us. But for Sony it cost them a lot of marketshare to MS -selling cheap wins. I'm not going to get into game companies early this gen using full game installs to get lazy with the PS3 port of games. It would have worked out better if MS had one too.

[user8397144]

I would care less.

[frostypants]

The saying is "I couldn't care less". I'm not sure what your statement means.

[Undeadwolfy]

XD lol why do people change it to "I could care less"... so you dont care much but you care to the point that you could care less?

What MrSancho1 wrote is retarded but yeah...

[GodofSackboy]

Americans insist on saying "I could care less" when the saying is "I couldn't care less", honestly, it's one of the most annoying things on the whole internet

[jetlian]

are 2 different meanings

[Christopher]

It's not an issue with Americans, it's an issue with ignorant/uneducated people.

Thanks for generalizing, though!

[StbI990]

For grammar whore maybe...

I could care less = Me podria importar un bledo...

So yeah although it is wrong, it has some sense to it.

[jetlian]

its 2 diferent meanings
1. I could careless(means theres more room)
2 I couldn't care less (means you've hit the limit)

they aren't the same

[Shadowstar]

@GodofSackboy

Hm. Your wrong. I think thier are some far more annoying errors out they're that I see alot, and even if you're definition of wrong isn't the same as mine, well, than there's are badder.

Wow, that was surprisingly difficult...

[Christopher]

@Shadowstar: Reading through that annoyed the heck out of me :p

[THC CELL]

sony=hardware
xbox= software

[Carnage]

Imagine if they teamed up to make a console.

[theonlylolking]

Nintendo + sony would be better.

Sony makes super powerful console and gets full profit from that(no sharing with nintendo).

Nintendo releases their games on the console and gets full profit from that(no sharing with sony).

Multiplatform games they share the profit.

Sony and nintendo share profit from any DLC.

Sony and nintendo share profit from accessories.

Pros sony: Awesome first party games, powerful hardware,and great free online

Pros nintendo: First party games that sell a whole freaking lot(pokemon, mario, etc...), and they are called nintendo.

Bring all of those pros together and BAM! You have a beastly team. Sony and M$ are almost complete opposites so that wouldnt work.

Sony wants free to play online with optional pay. Microsoft wants pay to play online.

Sony is more open to devs.
M$ wants full control.

Now you should see why a M$ and sony team would not be so good.

[frostypants]

Consolidation would be a horrible thing. Competition drives innovation.

[bozebo]

also... consoles make a loss, not a profit. The whole point in a console is to make a unique market for a share of software profits. (otherwise consoles wouldn't exist at all)

That is how you get good (sometimes better) performance compared to an expensive PC at the time of launch of a console. Also because they aren't plug&play and they can define their own specialised architecture (which can be a good thing or a bad thing) they can keep costs down and not loose too much per unit.

That is the reason Sony took out Linux support and then went after Geohotz. Organisations were buying clusters of PS3s simply for Linux and powerhouse computing at low costs, then buying no games of course.

[Felinox]

The intresting thing about this is that was how Sony originally intended to enter the video games market. They once were in codevelopment of a super nintendo CD add on similar to the Sega CD. Nintendo saw the poor market performance of Sega CD and broke off the development partnership. Sony somewhat spurned decided to develop thier own platform (Playstation). Gamers old enough to remember how sony was initially looked on as a joke. How could they hope to stand a chance against Nintendo and Sega.

[Tainted Gene]

in regards to the nintendo playstation combo, that ship has already sailed and sank. that bascially the main reason for the creation of the playstation brand in the first place.

As most ppl problaby know...
Nintendo and sony had a deal to join "forces" but nintendo backed out at the last minute; leaving Mr. Ken Kutaragi and Sony holding a unnamed platform.... the later named Playstation.

I can't imagine Sony trying to team up with Nintendo after that lil scandal. Remember both are japanese companies, both have a big focus on honor and respect. Even though Microsoft and Sony joining is even less likely; Sony Nintendo is still a long long long shot.

[SSKILLZ]

Next gen Red Ring

[Carnage]

lol at disagrees. I said IMAGINE I didn't say that is what I am wishing for. Microsoft has a software advantage, (they are a software company after all) hence the easier* to develop and awesome online service. (Yes you have to pay for it.) Sony has a hardware advantage, (they make Tv's cameras, Bluray's) So they know how to make a powerful consoles.

So if they teamed up it would be a powerful console with great software. Therefore (in my OPINION) a Legendary console.

I did not get into specifics about games and profit because that will never happen. Hence the IMAGINE. (The comment I made was really to give THC CELL something to think about)

[Daver]

xbox=software? really? you probably meant xbox=marketing

Because I have not seen that many good titles coming from Microsoft and I mean not 3rd party. Well it depends of taste I guess.

[Vaud-Villian]

Think he means OS, which is leagues better.

[CaliGamer]

Too bad you can't play OS. Then MS would be king...

I play games mostly, and the games that Sony has on display are SICK.

[WetN00dle69]

You should give those games some medicine since they are sick. Perhaps a antibiotic shot would do. Here is hoping they are not contagious.

[CaliGamer]

Touché Wet... Well played sir.
What I should have said is "I play games mostly, and the games that Sony has on display are A JOY TO PLAY."

FIXED :P

[RedDead]

Only this gen, Last gen MS had the hardware, could be opposite again next gen. Shit I wouldn't be surprised if nintendo make a new one for 2016, being more powerful than the other 2. Whichever one comes out last will be the most powerful. Ps3 had a year on the 360. Xbox had a year and 3/4 on the Ps2. Which is why the difference was what it was.

Whichever come out first however seems to get alot of support and sales. 360 had alot of support in it's first 3 years.

[kikizoo]

Are you kidding ?

for consoles, sony = hardware, and most of all, always the best software.

Ms = pc software.

PS4, like PS3 will probably be the more powerfull of the next gens (like vita is already way more powerfull than 3DS)

[IcarusOne]

"the only people who really care about which system is more powerful are the fans that love to argue online. To the average person they’re only concerned about which one is the most affordable and has the coolest games"

Very very true. Good speculative article with very reasonable analysis.

[iforgotmylogin]

lol true this article has some sense behind it.

sony was mocked and punished up until this year where people started getting bold lol. video games aren't ment to be more than 300$ histroy shows and repeats its self over and over

all the systems from gen 4-7 that started over 400 didnt do to hot. sony isnt going for over kill this gen it will be a bump up but not overkill.

[Aarix]

But today consoles have too many components to be any less.

[SuperStrokey1123]

Well considering that the next gen xbox will likely be a year earlier to market yet again i think that this is wrong. The PS3 was more expensive and later to the market cause of the bluray drive and the cell. This wont be an issue next time as the costs on those have come way way down.

[PirateThom]

Pure speculation, if anything, Sony have all the incentive to go bleeding edge because Uncharted on both PS3 and Vita has shown that the company places a heavy emphasis on visual fidelity, even things like 3D and, hell, a PlayStation branded 3DTV show that visuals and, thus, a high powered system, are definitely at the forefront. Although they said they didn't want to have as high an investment, people seem to forget Blu-ray and Cell R&D costs were lumped into the PS3's R&D costs and that isn't going to happen.

If anything, Microsoft's casual shift gives them less incentive to go high spec.

[bozebo]

Yes, Microsoft have adjusted their tune and gone casual now - but that is to fill the void they have entered into because of this gen's particularly long lifecycle and their reliance on DVD.

Next gen I believe both Sony and Microsoft will attempt to make a high-end platform. But their partnerships with other companies are what matters, if the chip-makers have a contract with their compettitor - that has an affect on what they can offer. At the moment: IBM deal with Sony and MS, nVidia dropped MS after Xbox and are now with Sony, and AMD entered the console industry with the 360's graphics offering. It is likely that the nVidia/ATI partnerships will remain as they are now. IBM may go one way or the other, leaving one console manufacturer with no possible CPU solution - but MS are probably able to go with AMD for that if they had to. But, there isn't any particular reason why a chip maker wouldn't want to co-operate with both Sony and MS, that would just mean more business for them... but there will no doubt be a lot of things going on behind the scenes with these hundred million dollar deals going on.

In the end, the business issues make a much bigger impact on performance than intent.

[one2thr]

You also forgotten that Sony bought that Cell manufacturing plant back from Toshiba......

[RevXM]

Thats right.

They can have ûber 3rd party hardware and still come off lighter than they did with ps3 because they already have 2 of the things they need already in the ps3.
They got their basic CPU architecture and their Disc or game format ready. an upgraded cell and faster BD rom would do it.

Then the 3rd party hardware
Solid amount of RAM, High end GPU performance solution (I say that because we should not forget that SLI gives a lot of performance for less than "equal" single gpu's) and hopefully SSD.
And I saw a SATA SSD here the other day that was pretty damn fast for being a sata drive.

Im pretty much only for SSD cards like Fusion or OCZ ones but now there is pretty affordable high speed Sata SSD's out there having R/W of 500+ MB per sec.

Corsair 240GB SF-2281. per now it costs almost as much as 2 xbox 360's but thinking that SSDs are that affordable IT MUST be in the next consoles when they launch.(atleast 12 months from now, and by then the price should have been lowered considerably)
To lower cost they can also have launch models with say 80 or 120 GB capacity. and not 240 as the one I mentioned.

Thats what I expect from Sony really.
A beast, they have marketed Ps3 as a beast, and PSV is also a beast and I dont see why the Ps4 wouldnt be top notch.

_____________________________

SSD Cards is teh shiet though as I said. the regular ones(Affordable though still expensive as heck) peform from about 500MB R/W to 1.5GB per sec.
But there is a beast that is capable of 6GB read and 4.4GB write... But Im afraid you would have to sell your house if you want it. And Im just mentioning it because it makes me drool...

[dcbronco]

Pushing Kinect has nothing to do with Microsoft not being concerned with the hardcore market. It's a Tortoise and Hare situation. MS looks at the sales of every major 3rd party release and see that they sell best on the 360. They look at the HC exclusives and see Halo, Gears, Forza and Fable outselling almost all of Sony's exclusives. And they think, "Let's add new customers". Release early again and we can start the whole thing over.

The difference in the release of Vita and the future release of the PS4 is the Tsunami and Sony's desire to become a profitable company again. Sony was expecting a profit and instead had a loss of 3.2 billion. That's money that would have been spent on new tech.

The PS3 will be a updated Cell and a more powerful GPU. They have to save money. But MS will do the same because they can. They can both get much more powerful consoles by adding additional cores running at faster speeds and faster better GPUs. MS does have the advantage of already having a GPU and CPU on the same die(that alone could save as much as $100 on cost of a new console). Sony has the advantage of already having Blu-ray for storage. But Nintendo has shown that you don't need to go to Sony for more disc storage. I don't know what Nintendo is using but there are plenty of other options to Blu-ray.

But MS has the most incentive and the most money. They are most likely going to have the most powerful machine. But the funny thing will be watching the fanboys switch to the power doesn't matter argument.

@Bozebo

I can't believe people still use that Blu-ray argument. How many games use an entire Blu-ray disc that isn't uncompressed sound and HD videos. Downloading titles directly from PSN makes it clear that most games don't use more than a DVD could handle.

[Raven_Nomad]

I wouldn't be shocked in the least. Sony has only this generation put out a powerful machine. The PS1 and PS2 were vastly over-matched in power at those times.

The original Xbox was far superior graphically and offered things like a HDD and HD graphics compared to what the PS2 had.

Looking back to the past the less powerful machine always wins the console war. I would expect Sony to learn from their mistake and not pour a ton of money into a console and get off on the wrong foot again. I still am of the belief that the next Xbox and PS4 will be about as powerful as one another, just like now. Reality is both consoles are a lot alike, both can offer the same games.

I expect the same thing next generation.

[WhiteLightning]

Well the PSV looks pretty powerfull for a handheld and it's the same price as when the 3DS came out.

I think Sony will make sure they can work around the price issue, they'll learn from their mistake but they won't sacrafice power, that's what makes the PS3 so great

[Raven_Nomad]

The funny part is, last generation all the Sony fanboys of that time were saying how "Graphics don't matter" and "It's all about affordability" as well as "It's all about the games".

The PS3 isn't THAT much more powerful then the Xbox 360 and in coming out with a machine that cost as much as it did and with it being as hard to program as it was, it really cost Sony heavily.

Don't you think if Sony came out with a machine that cost $350 at the start but was less powerful then it is now that Sony wouldn't have lost so many customers this generation?

Honestly when I heard $599 I thought they lost their mind.

I wouldn't expect there to be a huge power difference in whatever console comes out next. Just not gonna happen.

[Phantasm]

@ Raven:

A lot has changed over the past few decades, so anything is possible. I do agree on your comment about fans of the PS2 not caring so much about power and graphics last gen. In addition, they were never really big on FPS's. This generation it's all about power, graphics and Killzone. Well, the Killzone franchise is amazing, and the PS3 has a lot of power, but the fans shouldn't be so contradictory.

[mastiffchild]

Well, the architecture was a gamble by Sony aiming for a longer generation(which has been proven right)AND winning a format war which went WAY beyond PS division itself and PS3 was a trojan horse for BR tech in Joe Blow's house.

With much of what PS3 has now easily understood by devs(by this time)and even more easily upgradable I see no reason that they won't at least be around and about the next Xbox in terms of raw grunt. I think both companies will have seen there's little to no benefit(third party wise which is most games)for the PS3 tjhis generation as third parties have failed to risk alienating half their audience by allowing/ising all PS3's power. Last gen the difference between Xbox and PS2 was a lot greater and the lead for PS2 in sales much greater and thus the third parties developed Xbox games more like the PC(which Xbox was close to anyway)and the resulting improved graphics etc was of no impact to the sales of games in the console war.

I'm assuming(I'm no tech genius) that there's a bit more under the hood of the PS3 than the 360 mainly because of the performance of the relative higher end exclusives and nothing on 360 comes near KZ3 or U2 for ,me but the difference, even so, isn't amazing and this gen it really has to be asked if eeking a little bit more out for a third party just to risk offending half their market would ever be worth the time and effort with sales of consoles so damn close.

Whatever, my point is, I guess, that there's going to be little difference in grunt next time round as it's never been proven worth it and totally not this gen unless you had another agenda(as Sony did with their format war)and even THEN it could be said Sony wasted a lot of the lead they had in console gaming over a storage system/disc system which thrid parties haven't used because of the 360 running on the old DVD9 and not all having an HDD.

In short, it doesn't necessarily matter what you put in yours as the weaknesses of another platform can make some of the stuff you squeeze in totally pointless! I reckon they could go for a nearer to PC gaming model of allowing/enabling tech upgrades to stop us having set console generations if they can prevent it splintering their user base somehow=maybe just two sets of performance figures/settings.

[Persistantthug]

Perhaps you don't remember the story where china had a problem with PS2's because they were too powerful and could be linked up to be supercomputers.

PS1 wasn't crappy at time of launch either.

[TenkoTAiLS]

The Saturn was out not long after the Playstation, like 3-6 months, and dev's said quite oftern it's 3D wasn't it's strong point but it had tec that was better than what Playstation had, it's duel processors were laughed at back then and made it hard to program for, and yet doing that now is almost standard. Also the Dreamcast was out a year before the Playstation 2, and it's quite well known for having better tech than the Playstation 2, but after the success of the Playstation brand people had lost confidence in Sega and jumped on the less powerful PS2 instead. So although they weren't crappy, both older systems didn't have the best tech for their time or launch year window.

[jetlian]

came out first lol and it was more powerful. the system was hard to dev for

[Persistantthug]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... = 294 mhz processor, 32mb ram, 147 MHz GPU

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... = 200mhz cpu, 16MB ram, 100 MHz GPU

PS2 also had a DVD.

There's no question that the PS2 was significantly more powerful than the Dreamcast.

Not that it matters, but I owned a Dreamcast previous gen (still have it) and I never owned a PS2 because I was a PC MMORPG player for most of the previous decade.

[Otheros00]

By your definition the Dreamcast should of won last generation. Yet, it lost.

[godsinhisheaven]

For me it's more about games. As long as SNOY keep their awesome exclusives titles, i wouldn't mind the next gen console being less powerful than its adversary.

[FFXI101]

I agree and that's the reason I didn't get the Xbox back in last gen.

I had friends who told me the system is power and the graphic is better than PS2 I was tempted to get one but I didn't and never own one.

Because PS2 have more support(games) than the Xbox.

[baodeus]

thank god someone finally said it correctly on n4g. Thank you. Bubble to u.

[Zancruz]

Well that just means people are going to have a thermal nuclear video game system sitting in their homes from a company that cares more about money than making a quality product... Pro tip: Buy a Radiation Suit when you get a new system.

[DFresh]

Nope not gonna happen.
Sony is a hardware company and Microsoft is a software company.
Sony will always have the edge in hardware and Microsoft with software.
By software I'm not referring to games but the interface.
If that makes sense.
:D

[death2smoochie]

"Sony is a hardware company and Microsoft is a software company.
Sony will always have the edge in hardware and Microsoft with software."

And yet the PS1 was weaker than the N64, and the PS2 was weaker than the Xbox1 and Gamecube.
Where was the "edge" in hardware? Sony never had the edge in hardware except THIS generation only...which brings this interesting tidbit...

If the new Wii is released next year, then Sony once again will not have had the strongest console for the entire generation...

The new Wii if the rumored specs are correct will be the strongest console until this generation ends.

[Dark_king]

Graphics are not all you use to calculate a system's power.The EE chip was extremely advanced it still today has areas it out performs the Cell BE.
Also Wii U is the start of gen 8.You don't get two consoles from one company in one generation.If you did then this would be generation 2 systems.All SD systems being generation 1 and HD being generation 2.

[Rynx]

and yet the N64 came out AFTER the PS1.
and yet the Xbox came out AFTER the PS2.
and yet the WiiU will come out AFTER the PS3.

Are we seeing a correlation here?

[jetlian]

rynx!
ps1 was after saturn what happened?
ps2 was after Dreamcast what happened? shenmue topples ps2 gow
ps3 came out after 360 yet you can't get full screen splitscreen!

is there correlation here

[mll09]

What's the importance of full screen splitscreen? You're really using that as an argument for who has the better graphics?

[kane_1371]

we will soon enter 2012.
Then we will be even 2 years past the Current gens age.
Even though SONY and Microsoft as well as Nintendo (with Wii) are insisting on keeping this gen alive and make the cycle longer than 5 years (which is a good thing) we are still past this generation and late for the Party.
in fact with PSvita and WiiU we will enter the 8th generation like it or not.

[baodeus]

@redeye

Didn't you hear anything from ND about split screen. It is like doing 3D where u just render twice. Rendering something twice do take more power than rendering it only once right?

[rob6021]

Even though the N64 was more powerful with 3D graphics it completely lacked the almost standard CG video in PSOne games due to CD-rom, and people would often choose the PS over the 64 for that reason. So power is only what you define it as, because some developers will tell you they value disk space more.

[jdfoster00]

Microsoft with software? What do you mean? If you mean games then no they are not as Sony has way more titles than Microsoft and much better quality too

[Venjense]

Well if MS really wants to put the screws to Sony they could take a loss on each console sold, make it extremely powerful and developer friendly, and sell it relatively cheap.

Sony has already stated that they're not going to take losses on there next console again so Im guessing $400 wort of hardware max, MS could release a 600-800 dollar piece of tech and sell it for the same price. Sony would be in some serious trouble then.

[Kungfue]

LOL?! sony in serious trouble if they release a cheap console?

If any MS next console will most likely flunk HARD if its 800 buks, look @ ps3 if it wasn't for the strong fanbase PS2 and PS1(both selling over 100m) built ps3 would be dead right now. MS doesn't have that strong fanbase so if they release a $800 console say bye bye to MS gaming business.

[jdfoster00]

You forget the ps3 was CHEAP at 599$ Remember how much blu ray players cost back then? 1000s yeah and ps3 was a complete package it was MORE than a gaming machine. It was cheap for a bluray player at the time but you think it was expensive? No it wasn't as it was blu ray so it was quite cheap tbh.

[Dark_king]

He is saying the build a 800 dollar system then sell it at a loss.Its not going to happen MS stockholders need to see some profits they are actually wanting to get out of gaming hardware and move to be a software company.I believe the next X-box will actually be the deciding factor for them to do that.If it profits heavily then they will keep the X-box brand alive.If not they will begin to develop games for PC and probably one of generation 9 consoles if not all.Software has always been MS bread and butter and is their fall back.
Of course this is all speculation,Im not a share holder or anything.

[B1663r]

Uh, Microsoft is already one of the best dividend stocks on the market.

[TheTwelve]

Do you really think Sony is going to allow Microsoft to come out first AND make a stronger system next time?

Microsoft has pushed Sony like they've never been pushed before in the videogame business. The competition is close now more due to Sony's errors than Microsoft's good moves.

Sony's going to come out firing in ways we've never seen before next gen. They've been given a taste of their own medicine this gen---you're going to see Sony be razor sharp next gen with all guns blazing.

The "PS4" will come out very shortly after the "720", be more powerful and yet easy to develop for, and won't be much higher in price. Perhaps even the same in price if they use the same VITA/3DS strategy.

Sony must make sure that Microsoft doesn't get a year's headstart again. That was Sony's biggest mistake this gen and they will never truly recover from it in America.

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[WooHooAlex]

This is the smartest thing I've read today.

[newn4gguy]

Well said, sir.

[death2smoochie]

If MS wants to make a more powerful console than SOny, they can easily as they have more capital than Sony.
Plain and simple.
Will MS spend the money? Who knows...but when they buy companies for billions...don't think they won't spend the money on console next generation that is more powerful.....

[thtruth574]

sony bought the cell manufacturing facility. It will be cheaper and at the very least, be as powerful as 720. With The blu ray drives that are cheaper and sony owning there cell facility, it really doesnt make since. Sony knows what they are doing, and they have at least broke even with ps3 though I read somewhere they are making a profit now. So made all the right moves with owning the facilities for arguably the most expensive part of there hardware. Its going to be easy for them to make a way more powerful machine and sell it A LOT cheaper. The R&D is done. Anyways, the next leap really wont be that noticeable, 1080p at 60 fps, in each eye, and in 3d. Beyond that, we are talking a machine that cost over $1000. We are a couple of generations aways from efficient ray traying and voxels at acceptable gameplay speed. We have all saw the demonstrations of what multiple ps3's can do when clustered. So make a 2,3, or quad core cell and their you go. And sony owns the plant for this.

And add some more RAM

[Phantasm]

Yep, and they did it with the original Xbox.

The original Xbox had:

1. 4 controller ports
2. More power
3. games could be displayed in 480p, 720p and some in 1080i.
4. A hard drive
5. No mem card needed

PS2 had none of this.

So yes, Microsoft could release a system (if they wanted to) that is more powerful. They have plenty of $$$, and don't plan on releasing a portable.

[CGI-Quality]

Excellent, excellent piece!

[likedamaster]

You and Sony are in for a real treat if you think releasing a year later was their biggest mistake.

[TheTwelve]

So...what was Sony's biggest mistake if not this?

[likedamaster]

Pricepoint, for one. No real plan or resources for network & services infrastructure, and security(recent psn attack), initially.

And Sony's yet to have a console-defining game outside of Gran Turismo. Even then, GT is not selling like it used to. Some might say Uncharted but that hasn't even come close to GT series, let alone the Halo's/Gears & Mario's of other platforms.

3rd. The casual audience. They have yet to execute a plan for that piece of the pie. Move is clearly not aimed at them.

That's where Sony should have started correcting mistakes. Releasing a year later should be the least of their concerns. Besides, I highly doubt they will release before Microsoft from here on out, anyway.

Playstation wants domination? Conquer these things first.

[SpartanZero]

@THETWELVE unlikely MIcrosft is more about hardware than software case and point RROD issues because of an overpowered GPU and oversized original Xbox. Expect Microsft repeating this procedure by abusing their console in unnecessary ways for bursting out better graphics than PS4 where as Sony will play it safe and make a cooler healthier less powerful console

[madjedi]

"unlikely MIcrosft is more about hardware than software case and point RROD issues because of an overpowered GPU and oversized original Xbox."

Yeah notice the lack of a cooling device on the gpu of the original 360 sku, it has nothing to due with a overpowered gpu -_-. It's called lack of proper cooling and insufficient airflow.

[th3_d3an]

pure nonsense if i were nintendo and microsoft i would be very very worried about the next playstation as sony has learned alot this generation.

[NoobJobz]

And the others haven't learned?

[th3_d3an]

not my point but to be honest not enough esp nintendo they still seem to want to tell gamers what they want instead of giving them what they want like how they said gamers werent interested in online gaming and hd tvs remember that yeah how did that work out nintendo? rest my case.

[newn4gguy]

Judging by the Vita and the PS3's lineup, Sony has it together now.

[Grown Folks Talk]

If so, I'm sure it will be "all about the games" again like with PS2 & Xbox. All of a sudden graphics & power will go back to not mattering like last gen. Either way, I will most likely own both just as I do now.

[death2smoochie]

The truth of the matter:

The PS3 was Sony's ONLY system to e the most powerful during its generation.
The PS1, PS2 were all weaker.
The possibility of the next Xbox being more powerful is very Possible...MS has more money than Sony to invest in this area.

Only the PS3 from SOny this generation was the most powerful console for Sony...
The Wii was the only console from Nintendo that was the weakest.
Seems people have short memories....

[Grown Folks Talk]

Indeed. PS2 specs wise was the weakest of the 3 last gen. Back then power didn't matter. Once Sony could actually get in the discussion, all of a sudden power & graphics became the most important aspect.

[Vaud-Villian]

For a good chunk of kids on here this is their first console war. Don't confuse them with facts and logic.

There were also alot of heavy hitting uber powerful consoles that failed due to price point as well (neo geo, jaguar, 3do, etc...)

[Grown Folks Talk]

Didn't Neo Geo start at $600? I had 1 friend buy a 3D0. He had Madden & some fighting game I think. Only know 1 guy who ever owned a Turbo Grafx 16 as well.

[Aloren]

The PS3 was Sony's ONLY system to e the most powerful during its generation.

It was also Sony's only system to not crush the competition. So, why would sony want to spend billions again for a marginally better console, if it doesn't pay off ? I mean, there won't be another "80% market share" console in your living room...

[WhiteLightning]

I really think this is unlikely. Sony aren't going to make the same mistake again, they know the two main things they need to look at, make it powerful but cheap (remeber when the PS3 price tag was revealed...ouch) and make it developer friendly like the 360s. Obviously their not going to be the only two points to think about I'm sure theres more but it's the two main issues in my opinion.

[SpartanZero]

I thinks it's likely the next Xbox will be more powerful because MS is a powerful company with money and superior multiplats was a big plus for them last gen and this gen they won't care if the next Xbox RRODS again because of a beastly GPU they are looking for the same strategy it being huge console like the original Xbox or overheating beast like the 360 in exchange for monster graphics so that being said I wouldn't be surprised if the next Xbox is insanley huge or packed some high temperatures compared to the PS4 theyre going for a huge overheating graphical behemoth MS will put in a lot more stress on the next Xbox than PS4 for exchange in superior graphical horsepower and they wouldn't care if the console was massive or RROD

[BeAGamer]

i honestly have no idea what you just said

[CaliGamer]

Punctuation is your friend. I would disagree with your statements, but then I would risk another bout of this visual diarrhea you call a comment. DAMN.

[madjedi]

@JiJoro

You actually want a hotter running gpu because you think it will be beastly, hint if it isn't a $450-800 gpu it won't be anywhere near beastly. You want the worst thing possible for a system heat wow, heat reduces the lifespan of most electronics, dumbass.

I understand this retard doesn't represent any thinking 360 owner, but one of you 360 guys needs to set this idiot straight, on why heat and stressing your system to it's heat limits is not a good thing.

[kane_1371]

what are you on?
your comment is... high on something.
Anyway your points are just wrong and unacceptable.
another RROD fiasco? no tanx

[Michael-Jackson]

not gonna lie, this comment was funny.

[Platinum_k]

...says the xbot

[Fishy Fingers]

Why dont we just wait and see.

[thief]

Even the PS3 was under-powered compared to the XBOX360, I heard. The awful Cell processor that was quite useless for gaming and too complicated for developers to use, the split RAM, the awful graphics chip. All the rumours about PS3 games looking better than xbox360 are just mischief I tell you.

[dafada]

.............................. .............................. . ............wow....have u ever played a ps3 exclusive?!

....or was that just sarcasm? lol

[Merivigian]

Actually Sony has gone on record saying they aren't investing in their next console as much as they did with the PS3.

[nsnsmj]

True. That doesn't necessarily mean they can't still have a more powerful console than the NeXbox (you may not even be implying that though). Anyway, I think Vita is a good example that Sony can put out powerful hardware with little investment. It's been stated that PSP inevestment and R&D was more costly than Vita is. According to a SCEA VP (in an E3 video interview), Sony is actually not taking a loss on Vita HARDWARE (though they might be on Vita as a business.....i.e. Marketing, planned price cuts, etc.)

If they go with off the the shelf components for PS4, like they are doing with Vita, they can still put out a beast of a console at a competitive price. Also, since Blu-ray and Cell costs are down considerably, and the fact that Sony owns a Cell Factory, they could just make a more powerful Cell with many more SPE's.

I think Sony has learned it's lesson from this gen (at least I hope). Vita already seems to be proof of that. The last thing I'll say is, Sony made the Vita a powerful system without breaking the bank, so there's no reason PS4 won't be the same way.

[thief]

You know whats more interesting? Not what system is more powerful, but rather which is most compatible with previous generation. The PS4 could easily have 2 cell processor instead of one, a stronger graphics chip, the same RAM arrangement but 1GB + 1Gb instead of 256+256MB, the same blu-ray drive and hard drive system.

The possibilities are amazing. For the first time in console history, you would not only have 100% backward compatibility in the PS4 (which is not too common by itself) but 100% forward compatibility in the PS3, as the PS3 will be able to play all PS4 games with minimum development effort, merely with lowered graphics effects and resolution.

Thus, as MS and Ninty kill the wii 1 and 360 by 2012, Sony will keep selling the the cheapest console (PS3, much cheaper than Wii 2 and 720) and a more expensive, stronger console (PS4), both perfectly interchangeable – a marketing and gamer's dream.

[GraySnake]

Vita proves your point too... with games like Ruin and the MGS Collection too.

[Simco876]

As long as they keep pumping out games that I love, it can be the low man on the totem pole.

[Grown Folks Talk]

With a comment like that, you must have owned an Atari 2600. It's good to see some sense now & then. The only thing that matters is that YOU enjoy what you spent YOUR money on.

[zak94ma]

well don't be shocked if you see PS4 super Powerful then your alleged Xbox . "Cell 2" baby tell your M$ to get that :)

[Rikan]

Nah, I'm sure they prefer having the multiplatform games run best. The cell is an awkward chip design, it is over-glorified. Makes me laugh when Sony kids go on saying its 'the best CPU' and 'untapped power' lol if you know anything about tech/hardware--its just pure LOL

[rob6021]

Well there's people that overestimate it, then there's guys that think 'its just pure LOL.'

I think a rational person who knows plenty about tech/hardware would look at it and see that some developers are able to make use of that additional power, others aren't largely because it's too expensive for them to tinker with.

[maxmill]

NOPE

[telekineticmantis]

a playstation exclusive. Look at the skyrim interview. Listen to Wiiu speculation on specs, Look at the reaction & comments people had to Battlefield 3, when all they were showing was a few small clips of the characters walking around. Go back to what gears 1 fans were saying about Xbox power in 2006-07.

People love to be hypocrites, and liars.

[Theyellowflash30]

Sony has already stated their not going to have a PS3 level of development with the PS4. Which is good cause it will keep prices down. But honestly graphics are one thing gameplay is another. Sony needs to get their games running in 1080p 60 FPS enough of this 720p 30FPS crap.

[DJ]

Gran Turismo 5 is 1080p and 60 FPS.

[Theyellowflash30]

Most of their games aren't. Uncharted 1-3, Resistance 1-3, Mag, Killzone, all 720p 30FPS.

[Convas]

DJ ... 1280x1080 is NOT 1080p sir. I'm not sure how many times this must be said.

[You Noob]

and you are an idiot

[DJ]

This author forgot to research. PS1, PS2 and PS3 were the top consoles in terms of computing power for their respective generations. There is no reason PS4 won't continue that tradition. All Sony needs to do is put 4 upgraded Cell processors on a motherboard, toss in an NVIDIA GPU and call it a day.

[Convas]

Talk is cheap. I"ll await actual specs and announcements before I allow myself the cheapened "pleasure" of forming conversations around these base speculations and conjecture.

[Sprudling]

I hope they'll do the same as with the PS Vita. Good hardware at a good price.

[beast242tru]

i dnt think sony will gimp on power they are very keen on quality not only visual they bring quality straight across the boarder on everything they do soo good luck on dreaming that sony will leave themselves the underdog if they hav a choice the ps2 came out before the xbox wudnt u expect the xbox to be more powerful and the xbox 360 came out before the ps3 so why shudnt the ps3 be more powerful then more than likely the next xbox will be out the gate before the next playstation so we will just have to see what happens

[Sarobi]

I would never put Sony down when it comes to this topic, because if there is one thing we've learned from this generation its that Sony likes to go all out in terms of power. Playstation 3 had a rough start because of its price, not to mention that Bluray was makings its first steps into the field of gaming, but we've all adapted to these things that we were once unfimiliar with

In the beginning:
-"We don't need bluray"
-"The online service isn't good enough"
-"Playstation has no games"

But that has surely changed hasn't it, Sony has done a brilliant job keeping the Playstation going even through its rough times, and with all that has been shown by Sony in terms of software and hardware (new Bluray discs, PSP Vita) i think its safe to say that Playstation 4 will not just let the competitors step over them in terms of power and performance

[sashimi]

the Ps4 won't have the level of investment of the Ps3 because they won't need to pay for Blu-ray and the Cell which was lumped together with the Ps3. So i expect business as usual in Sony's R&D department.

[Thoreau]

gaming journalism is laughable at best.

[LNDCalling]

Hmmm.. Having read the post i'd have to agree, in part, and i'm sure each will take different things from what was said!

I do remember the console days where people only cared for the games that interested them and thus the console that catered to their taste in games.. Its still true for many, myself included, but its an unfortunate truth that many console gamers have adopted the old PC Nvidia Vs ATI mentality with attention diverted from the games themselves to analysing every pixel in what we call the console 'war'... the 'war' that isn't..

Whilst I dont expect Sony to again invest as they did with the PS3, they have shareholders after all, I do expect them to push innovation as they always have.. CD, DVD, BD.. the thing is what is next?

3D? They're already there! Digital downloads? Already possible with HDD as standard!

Cloud based gaming? thats out of their control and down to internet speeds which vary to much.. A new disk format? Possible but think people are even less ready for that than they were for BD! That leaves extreme HD someting that would fall in line with their biz model.. But that would take huge processing power!

Basically not sure what future holds but sure it'll be interesting! :-D

Or.. They could just find a way to link two PS3's like a mini super computer for twice the processing power at twice the resolution.. Maybe thats why they keep going on about the lifecycle! ;-)

[D0ffy]

Flamebait ^^

[xX-StolenSoul-Xx]

I actually think they will be pretty even spec wise, then we will have to choose which games we like best for each console and what features one has that other don't. That's how i will choose my next console... But... then again if i switch to xbox i will lost all my trophies gained on Ps3 and im pretty much a trophy whore.

Also hope they keep the bluray drive, i hear alot of talk about going all digital next gen but sadly our internet is not fast enough yet. Sure i can get Verizon Fios 100Mbs internet but it cost alot .

[LNDCalling]

Agreed, it'd be nice and the way it should be!. i.e both consloes equal in all but features they provide and exclusive games!..

[Alos88]

It's like an episode of Dragonball Z
Sony: Hah, prepare to face my TRUE power!
Microsoft: Not bad... too bad I've only been fighting with 20% of my strength!

[BigPenguin]

Sony: Why are you smiling
MS: Because I know something you don't know
Sony: And what is that?
MS: I am not left handed.

[SuperSaiyan4]

Even though the PS3 launched after the 360 the PS3 still had the same amount of ram as the 360 just a different CPU which funny enough both the 360 and PS3 CPU are from IBM.

Who knows which way it could go next gen, Microsoft may opt to please the core gamer and end up doing a Nintendo but I seriously hope not.

Sony invested a ton of money this gen making the PS3 yes it has the cell and has blu-ray but Sony also made the most reliable system WITH powersupply built into the machine now that is an accomplishment in itself something Microsoft didnt do and still had the overheating problems.

Sony is good with hardware but on the other hand Microsoft does have more money...I guess we will just have to wait and see.

[Drab]

Don't blame Sony, blame all the ppl who bought wii and xbox cause it was cheaper........

[Neko_Mega]

PS2 wasn't? What is this person smoking? Wasn't PS2 the only system using DVD at the time, plus you can add a hard drive to the old PS2's (Which a hard drive was needed to play online).

I don't think this person knows what they are talking about.

[MasterCornholio]

Course its a possibility. But for now we have not seen anything of next gen consoles. Until the Specs are officially released theres no way to tell which one is more powerful. But even then specs dont tell everything.

The only way to prove which system is more powerful is with the games.

[thespaz]

Speculations...

pointless.

[Darkseeker]

The PS3 outperform the 360 even if it has a bad video card.

Since Sony will obviously not do the same mistake twice and put a good video card next time, the PS4 will completely destroy whatever microsoft can come up with.

To top it off, the next xbox might be even more defective then the 360 and have a bigger failure rate then the 360. Microsoft are known to make broken things.

This article is obviously made by a 360 fanboy who can't accept his console lost.

[Ulf]

Microsoft has shown an obvious inclination to reach out to the "casual" crowd, via Kinect, as of late.

That said, it seems obvious, to me, that next gen MS will do their best to keep the price down and appeal to casuals. Sony on the other hand, has fully embraced the hardcore as of late with the Vita, and all the hardcore Move games demonstrating where they want such tech to go.

The next XBox will be mildly more powerful than the Wii U -- it may very well be practically the same architecture as the Wii U (which is, in turn, something of an advancement of the 360, from rumored specs), but 1-year more advanced. The PS4 will probably be more powerful still. Each console is meant to appeal to certain demographics, and the companies that build them won't stray from that strategy.

Hardcore gaming is so 2006, at Microsoft. Then they saw the light of the Blue Ocean, and they've never looked back. Honestly anyone who thinks they're headed back there is crazy, especially after this year's E3. XBox was founded on the hardcore, yes, but that was before the Wii revolution.

[R_aVe_N]

They will be about the same really. If you think about it it will not be cost effective to go all out on the next systems. All they have to really do is enhance what is already there. Pretty much double everything as far a memory and graphics. Sony will most likely use a updated Cell (because it rocks). The way I see it is if it isn't broke don't fix it. Both systems are beasts as they sit now. Just imagine what the next set of games can and will look like if you have twice the amount of memory and graphics, and processing power. What it will all boil down to is exclusives just like in this gen as long as Sony keeps spitting those monsters out they will be just fine.

[andrewsqual]

Don't be shocked if it burns out and breaks constantly for 4.5 years until Microsoft releases the "Real" model of the machine, just like their current machine

[xtremegamerage]

I already have the PS4 specs.

CELL 18spu's 3lanes tri core ppu
2gb ram
Nvidia GTX 460
x8 blu-ray

Will be sweet.

[kookie]

http://images1.wikia.nocook...

They will not use an old gpu like Gtx 460 they will have new like microsoft.

[Undeadwolfy]

Ill be shocked if it isnt.

[JeepGamer]

For two console generations now we've tried to concern ourselves with which console is more powerful when the reality is that differences between them are largely a moot point and it just depends on whose doing the development.

[Enigma_2099]

I still stand by my opinion that the only real difference between the two that I give a d*** about is the fact that you can squeeze more game on a Blu-Ray disc. To it's credit, I've seen plenty on the 360 that I've been impressed with... still don't care for the system, but it's very capable in the hands of good devs.

... but then again, you can pretty much say the same thing for ANY console in the hands of good devs, can't you?

[DanSolo]

I can't say I really care which is most powerful, or which is the best one.... as I will just wait and see which one seems to be the best and then get that one!

[Tigerfist]

There are no reasons or facts to support this kind of conclusions. We can only speculate about it.

[Firebird360]

I just wanna see 1080p and 60fps standard on both. Look how good wipeout still looks n runs. And I would actually like to see psn be charged like live, I think the money they would make would make the service better.

[tigertron]

I would be shocked if the PS4 was less powerful. Sony, this gen have showcased many games that take advantage of the PS3's hardware i.e. Uncharted and Killzone, and a few years ago, spoke very highly of their Cell processor.

Do you really expect Sony to go back to having less powerful hardware?

[RAmar101]

It doesn't need to be the most powerfull, imo they just need to improve iniards of ps3 by adding more ram and increasings speeds for chips and drives. It would still churn out great visuals.

As long as 1st and 3rd parties can make great looking games I doubt anyone would care.

Ps3 this gen is over engineered for this gen, most games can be done on DVD the only reason you see gow3 and uncharted is because they were ps3 specific special projects, you can't have every game like that as its to much costs developing.

I hope sony just duct tapes ps3 bits for the ps4 and launch at 299

[fuzion17c]

IMO, I've said before that whatever console company releases their next-gen system first only means they've lost during the current-gen in terms of quality.

Nintendo = 3rd place
Microsoft = 2nd place
Sony = 1st place

[x5exotic]

HAHAHHAA sony just made a portable device that shits on 360

the next xbox will probably be as strong as the ps3

and dont forget games like god of war and uncharted

[madpuppy]

I think that it is hilarious that people think Because MS is generally a software company they are somehow superior in creating an Operating system or that they make the "best" OS. Just because Windows is popular and MS has a monopoly in the OS space doesn't mean that they make a superior product.
To be honest up until Win2k Ms made the absolute worst OS's in the world. Win2k was the start of them improving because they were standardizing on the NT kernel across all OS's from this point on.
and even then, they still had issues. Windows 7 Is the first OS from them that is actually relatively reliable and stable.

[madpuppy]

so, you disagree? I guess you are right, Win7 might not be as good as I think it is. after all, I really don't use it that much. my bad! you guys got me there!!! :)

[OooHJohnny]

Yeah... my crystal ball confirms...

[fullmetal297]

Sony has invested so much on their latest generation cell that I wouldn't be surprised if they op for a lower-end GPU like they did with the PS3. All Microsoft has to do is buy in a Higher-end custom GPU thats more future proof.

[xPhearR3dx]

And I thought this thread would be full of haterade, but i was wrong

[Rageanitus]

Dont be shocked that the MS will drop support for 360 rather quickly when the new system comes out.

[Jack-Dangerously]

I really don't care. I have a ps3 only right now. But I'm not a fanboy. If the NeXbox has a significant lead and something new to offer I would get it. Not everything has to be a war people.

[AceofStaves]

I don't care which console is more powerful. I'd prefer both MS and Sony create reliable consoles that aren't bleeding edge but offer great multimedia experiences and spend more on games for those consoles instead.

Bleeding edge is expensive, as this gen shows. The PS3 was incredible value for money when it released, considering the price of standalone Blu-Ray players at the time, but its price caused "sticker shock" for many.

MS needs to invest in first-party studios next gen, rather than a high tech console. Multi-platform titles are great for a console's library, but its the exclusives that entice buyers and define the console brand.

[Knightofelemia]

The more power can work in their favor or slap them in the face. The PS3 is a powerful system but looks great when its a Sony company like Sucker Punch or Gurilla making the games. Third party does not fully utilize the console keeping games looking the same on both Xbox and PS3 and sometimes the multiplatform games look like crap on PS3 and the Xbox. You can't make a subpar console either or you will end up like the Wii wich is an interactive Gamecube wich is left in the dark with HD games. Must have on the new console is backwards compatibility with PS1,PS2 and PS3 games and a PS2 game library on the PSN.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

The title is just asking to bash this article. I'm not saying PS4 is going to be more powerful than the next xbox and same goes for vice-versa.

[Hozi89]

Don't make me laugh...If you know SONY at all you'll realize that they don't like competition so when the heat rises they fucking go all out....I bet ps4 will be running games that look like FF:Advent Children's CGI in realtime...or at least very close to that.

[kookie]

Here We go Fanboys vs fanboys.

[Rikan]

Too expensive? Right.

[Platinum_k]

wow... still too early to tell

[boss_killa]

I have a feeling the PS4 and 720 will be about the same. I wouldn't mind that at all. Sony has 20 first party studios to crank out new and interesting games for it.

Both will be huge leaps ahead of the Wii U.

[Platinum_k]

... i honestly think they will be at par with one another.

they will both be more powerful than wii U of course!!! ^_^

[Hyperbomb69]

they said the same thing about this gen... they said that teh 360 would be a more powerful system than the ps3.. yet the 360 is the one still doing the multiple discs thing..

heres to another gen of Sony awesomeness!

[IHateYouFanboys]

anyone saying that the PS2 was more powerful than the dreamcast obviously never actually owned both. you only had to look at games that were on both or games that were made by the same company on both to see the DC was far more capable.

for example, Quake 3 on the Dreamcast was absolutely groundbreaking. its graphics were PC like for the time, it had online play, and it ran absolutely beautifully. then it came out on PS2 like 12 months later, and it looked like absolute cr@p compared to the dreamcast, had less players, no online, and didnt run particularly well.

same with Smackdown - looked great on PS2, but Royal Rumble (made by the same people) looked MUCH better on the Dreamcast AND also had twice as many wrestlers in the ring at once.

the xbox was significantly more powerful than the PS2 also. again, anyone denying this obviously never had both.

as for next gen, if theres a 12 month gap between the new xbox and PS release then obviously the later released one will be more powerful. like this generation though, it wont be much more powerful.

[x5exotic]

are u fking kidding me? god of war 2? final fantasy 12? what is better looking than these? links plz....
Ps2 WAS the most powerful console before the ps3 and 360
(lol see i ignored wii cuz it sucks lolololol)

[one2thr]

I'm guessing that you didn't play "Shadow of the Colossus" for the PS2...... Yes I owned both systems, but if your going to through which game looked best out there then you should add that game to the PS2's arsenal.......just sayin

[josh14399]

I dont care which system is more powerful. The most important is which one has the best exclusives and that will probably be the ps4 because they have lots of decent first party studios.

[reddeadite]

Pure speculation, nothing to back it up

[TBONEJF]

I'm really am tired of seeing fake art illustrations of Play Stations already.

[Human Analog]

You can't argue with the logic of the article though. It makes sence from a business standpoint. I'll give props to the author. Nice and concise, logical, and intelligent.

[stragomccloud]

Who cares! As long as I get more games that are at least the level of Uncharted 2!

[Deadman_Senji]

You heard it folks, your shooters are gonna look so pretty on that new xbox.

LMAO. With any luck, there won't be another Xbox. Cross your fingers, folks.

[Rhezin]

lol

[SephirothX21]

There won't be another Xbox. MS' next console will be called Kinect 2. They will probably make some rubbish Disneyland game for it where you can jump around as Peter Pan and play tiddlywinks with Captain Hook . Oh wait...

[one2thr]

ROFLCOPTER!!!!!
WIN!!!

[SpinalRemains138]

That headline might be the dumbest thought I have ever read.

No one, let alone SONY, has any clue as to what's going to be under the hood for said console. To pretend that you're in the know, or have super insight, only halfway thru the PS3s life cylce is incredibly pathetic and nothing less than an attempt to hype up what has become the console for kids. The xbox. Baby tigers and Disney horseshit. I'll stick to the powerhouse that SONY has been, is and always will be. You get what you pay for.
SONY's M.O. for 30 years has not only been pushing the limits of and creating new technology, but setting the bar. SONY sets the bar and others follow. They're not always successful, but they are more often than not.

[SuicideShaun]

ITT: Console kids raging about power. But in all seriousness. If we are going to talk business, then you can't blame MS, I mean you say they are evil and they have sh*tty hardware, yet they win almost always in sales.

Point is, at the end of the day, MS makes a high profit and they sit down and drink their expensive champagne while you all rage.

[Pintheshadows]

I didn't read the article or any comments. I just wanted to be part of the "cool" crowd. Burn PS3! Burn 360! Spectrum 4evaz.

[cedaridge]

Hello everybody! Im new to this. i have a 360/ps3 i prefer p3 for the insurance in my blu ray disc but i cannot wait for gears 3. but i think we will hear about xbox 3/720 next year at e3 and would not put it pass Sony to do the same. To me after a 3 game series such as uncharted and gears what more can they do?

[anonymous1]

The ps3 now is dominant over the "box"- why would'nt the ps4 be dominant then? The ps4 would go with the same trend as the ps3. BTW- the ps3 has way more exclusives, plus an internet browser, blu-ray, and a better hardware survival rate. BAM! just shut the "box" down!! It has more media capability, more video formats accepted, easier HDD capability, blu-tooth, and ect. ps4 will kill the "we want your money box" hands down people!!!

[NLGSean]

Being a non-fanboy I will tell you this... The best-looking current "console" game on any system is still Uncharted 2... But it looks like Uncharted 3 will look better... I have yet to see a console game look as good as Uncharted 2.

[Pintheshadows]

I like showing it to people who don't play games because they will happily just watch and roll spliffs. It is unbelievably good looking.

You have to go to a gaming PC to find better. The Witcher 2 for example.

[NLGSean]

I agree... I went back to Uncharted 2 the other day and it still looks amazing...

[earbus]

Ha ha nice read stick with the uber super doopa cell lmao.

[Goldenarmz]

Havent there been many Developers who actually work and use and design on both machines come out and say there is really no difference between the two machines? But fanboys keep saying the PS3 is more powerful? I dont get it. I have them both so i could careless which one is or isnt powerful. They both have awesome games. and thats what being a gamer is about. I miss the old days.

[mcstorm]

Who really cares which console is more powerful than the other? Look back at the past console and you will see that no matter how much power a console has it dose not mean it will sell well. look at PS1 and N64 PS1 sold more then PS2 Gamecube and xbox, PS2 sold more and again less power. This gen have wii xbox and PS3 and wii which has less power sold more. Even in hand held Gameboy sega gamegear gameboy sold more, PSP and DS DS sold more.

Thats not to say the lest powerful console always sells the most but at the end of the day it is all about game.

But with the Wii U looking like Nintendo are stepping up the console power im looking forward to seeing what MS and sony have in store for us next.

[bigboss716]

lol...this artical is stupid...ps3 has blue ray and the cell.360 had HD and a chip.why is eis this artical trying to put down ps4 and ps3 was a success.yeah when that new xbox come out I bet they will die as well as the 360.there very well none of that and there next system has to output more graphics bet there new ststems will fry lol mabe not fry but u no what I mean.i just feel like the ps3 has proven that the next system will be great.dont listen to these lame articals.

[SkittlesLikesPopcorn]

if it releases later it better have better GPU or i get xbox. plain and simple.

[artdafoo]

Wow another article based solely on speculation and opinion without any REAL solid proof. I expected as such, N4G was built on this stuff.

[TheKindRoost]

still arguing over speculations? god this site never fail to amuse me :D

[256bit]

$299.99 US DOLLARS

there nuff said sony wins nextgen hands down

[olLANDSHARKlo]

The Ps4 and XBOX 720 will have the same exact graphics as the last 2 rounds with very minimal differences, and this will continue till the end of consoles.

[bigjclassic]

I do know that all 3 next gen will be about equal power, especially if MS announce something new next E3.

This is going to be a repeat of the PS2/GCN/XB era. Only 2 will survive this time...

[frankymv]

looking forward to the next gen xbox next year!!

[ndl1531]

let me remind people when they say sony wont invest heavily on their next console why? well people think about it they introduced the bluray format which was a loss in the beginning plus backward compatibility in the first plus 4 usb ports 1 sd lot 1 pro duo slot .but now that bluray is a staple i think the next ps4 is gonna keep bluray and all sony has to do now is add more power under the hood thats why they say they will not invest heavily on their next console cause they took big risks and losses with the ps3 just because of bluray in the beginning . they are doing great now and everything they did in the past is working for them now . i like how they were looking into the future with it . allot of hate towards it in the beginning but now look ? as for 720 being more powerful i doubt that cause its launching first . there's no doubt that sony will study the competitor (being that their out first) but we'll see

[YodaCracker]

Who cares how powerful it is? The PS2 was the least powerful last gen and was by far the dominant console. The Xbox was the most powerful (by a much bigger gap than the PS3 over the Xbox 360) and in last place.

This gen the Wii is the least powerful and the dominant console, and the PS3 is the most powerful and in last place.

See how this works?

[blackburn10]

Pure speculation. No one knows how much was invested into the PS3, therefore can't assume that less investment in a new console automatically means a weaker console.

How do we know that even if you half the money they invested it the PS3 that they wouldn't be able to produce a system ten times more powerful then the other next gen systems with the current hardware available? But as usual everyone is playing Sony accountant. Sony themselves said they would be listening to what developers want this time around and will build the console accordingly. So it's up to them

[stephmhishot]

Like ndl1531 is saying, albeit in a nearly incoherent matter, a big reason for the PS3's initial price tag was the cost of having the Blu-Ray tech in there. That's not going to be a financial hurdle this time around, unless Sony somehow pulls some other new format out of its ass.

[Treyb3yond]

Flame bait article of the highest order and pure speculation.

This is news?

[Legendary-Status]

lol...sony has already set them self's up on what they want 2 do...they paid for the tragedy when it first came out..the games on PS3 look so good...PS4 will be a monster with no drama when it come's out..that system will be CGI/REAL LIFE..mark my word's..and quantic dream already say's they surpass the graphic's of avatar what???...come on nah get real...sony does not go backward's they live in the future..

[tweet75]

power isnt the name of the game in game systems anymore. Its innovation and the games themselves that pull gamers to the system.

[rlm41]

Good but this gen and the past has shown us that power doesn't mean shit. The PS2 was significantly less powerful than the first Xbox yet it sold a lot better and had more software support. The Xbox 360 has less raw power than the PS3 yet it doing considerably better and has been a massive win for Microsoft being only their second console.

[Mr_Luke]

Damn, it's already starting alll the crap about consoles.... not out yet?
Great, trolls feast

[spinbot_lv1]

blablablabla...if....if...if.. .if....

[PatchowPietro]

LOL at Sony360! He hasn't got a clue!

[pupa]

i like how some idiots still talk like the PS3 was just launched. How idiotic and uninformed. Apart from the games mentioned, which console has he most exclusives and for that matter the best? Which console is now becoming the lead console? tedious to develop for indeed. As for future hardware the rumor mill already "confirmed" that the future PSX will have a more powerful cell processor which is already manufactured. As for the OP discussing "hardware"? Where? It is common knowledge that the PS3 is the more powerful console which used to be difficult to program for.

I would rather expect that the Xbox3x0 hardware may be dumbed down such as the case was with Kinect hardware. Microsoft already proved they are not scared to do so.

[ronwil42]

what a stupid article lol

[CherryLu-Chan]

If true, I look forward to the tables turning and all the "ZOMG, it's been gimped for PS4" comments ;)

[zero_cool]

I actually talk to somebody in software at ibm over the phone & asked if sony had contracted them to build a similar architecture to the cell processor & the person responded with a yes & i also asked if it was possibly for sony's next playstation console & the person responded with a yes so that indicates it's going to be incredibly powerful as the cell processor if not more & possibly for sony's next playstation console.

[Master_S]

Ohhhh typical SONY N4G FANBOY ARTICLE.

[Apex13]

I have been saying this and Sony only fanboys dont get it.

Thye have only made profit on a 6 year old machine so why would they be so stupid to make that mistake again when Nintendo brought out a huge less powerful machine and made BANK like no bodies business and became the most important company in Japan. Wise up, I keep saying that we enjoy the end product but this is a business first and foremost.

either way graphics in general is like a pretty chick, after you get over it there usually is not much else there or her substance "if u know what I mean" is really good.

power power power, maybe its an american thing which I am not but hay.

[Droid Control]

Its too soon to call.

I'm worried about the possibility that both the 720 and PS4 asre relatively weak - following Nintendo's lead of releasing outdated hardware.

[Goldsack]

...and you Xtards know it. :D

[Noctis106]

This article has the best joke ever "The PS4 will be less powerful than the Next Xbox" => This kind of sh*t will only happen in the the author's imaginary mind!

[spinbot_lv1]

I'm shocked of how can be possible to write a so stupid article when the author isn't an industry insider and the following 5 pages of comments is a trolls fest.

[Tzuno]

OH man!!! I bet you hurt some people feelings with this article. :) look at their reactions ahahahahhhh!!!

[Rageanitus]

im installing the PC version right now doubt its 0/10