Microsoft Strikes Back At Kevin Butler “Kinect Is Better Than Anything Else Out There”

On today’s episode of the HipHopGamerShow we have a ton of special guest, new reveals, and details on the latest games.

1. David Jaffe, Michael Pachter, Geoff Keighley, Peter Moore, Shane Satterfield, and more.
2. Microsoft Reveals Plans For Hardcore Kinect Games.
3. David Jaffe Let’s Us In On A Surprise Game NOT Twisted Metal
4. Nintendo Win’s The Press Conference War
5. Eminem, Method Man & Redman on stage for the HipHopRss.

Enjoy The Show

[MaximusPrime]

lol.. prove it

[mrv321]

They have in the pre-rendered stuff they showed at E3 Instead of real live stuff... ISN'T THAT PROOF ENOUGH FOR YOU!

[FangBlade]

Haters, I dont care what you think but that was a great show by HipHopGamer.
Yes, he has his faults, but at least he keeps things real.

[Lionhead]

Why or how would it go wrong? That should be no excuse.

I mean, Natal is "Better than anything else out there".

I wouldn't doubt some of the demos shown at their E3 press conference was pre-rendered as well. That yoga game showed two different heights and other stats for the SAME actor at Microsoft and Ubisoft event.

Oh yeah, I forgot they said Milo would be at E3 as well and nothing. Didn't they also say Milo would launch with Kinect and Fable 3 would have Kinect capabilities lol

[mrv321]

Forza, Kinectimals, Star Wars where faked, not too sure about Kinectimals but the hands in real life didn't match the in-game ones.

[Anorexorcist]

You should seriously consider applying for some kind of leading PR positions within Microsoft's gaming division once you pass grade school and get a drivers license. Your statement could have EASILY been something that came from Aaron Greenberg or that other fat bald guy whose tongue is always sticking out.

Here's a booster for you Omega4:

Kinect = Human Lag Support. If you don't know how to move or are too slow in making a movement, Kinect's in-game avatar will instantly move for you and you'll never lose a game (or a demonstration) ever again! Kinect reads your moves before you! It's the most advanced peripheral to date!

@Maximus Prime

All they've proven so far is that Kinect is just one big hammed-up device covered in deceit and surrounded by smoke and mirrors.

[Shadow Flare]

In the press conference, every kinetc demonstration was faked, with the exception of that fitness game. But whar was evident in that fitness game was the massive lag. There were times when she stretched right and the avatar on screen stretched left. But all the others each had moments you could spot it was fake, from star wars to forza to joy ride. And if the games themselves werent evidence enough, the people playing them cetainly didnt seem very natural. Almost as if they acted it....

......oh wait, it was acted. Confirmed by none other then aaron greenberg

http://n4g.com/news/544401/...

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@Anorexorcist

[to Omega] "Your statement could have EASILY been something that came from Aaron Greenberg"

You're a smart guy cos like my link above showed, aaron greenberg DID say something like that.

Aaron Greenberg - “A show like this has to be scripted.”

So yeah, he's just a sheep following ms everywhere and believing anything they say

[exnihilonihilfit]

Agreed, everything except for the fitness video was fake, and the fitness video was laggy. But, it did not misread her movements left to right, that was a projector issue. If you play the game with the screen in front of you, it mirrors your movements, but because it was projected behind her, it showed them from a reversed image. Just saying, that one thing had nothing to do with any actual error on the part of the Kinect device. Kinect is still gimmicky and unproven.

[ThanatosDMC]

I was wondering when HHG would show up for an E3 vid...

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

To the doubters, many of those games for Kinect where available to try for yourself. Can't script that!

[AtatakaiSamurai]

Very entertaining. I actually enjoyed that more than the other stuff I've seen for e3 coverage. Felt like what hard-core gamers want to see from gaming coverage w/ interviews.

Very entertaining.

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

I agree, this has been the best coverage of E3 I've seen outside of the conferences and gametrailers, y'know the important parts. Parts of the G4 coverage of E3 were more embarrassing than entertaining. HHG was really entertaining though, and had some nice interviews. His was not as informative, but he's a guerrilla journalist, and an amateur at that. He's quite good at what he does - obviously a very smart young man.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

@IdleLeeSiuLung

Yeah there were games available at MS booth. Kinectimals was open to public and people barelly could name the cat to start the game as the stupid game would keep asking for you to say the name and never get it. LOL

@mrv321

You forgot the EyeToy antigrav copy... The thing were a platform slides and you stay over it, jumping or positioning you arms to get coins... I've seen at least two jumps there that the guy was late to follow and make the pre-recordering natable.

And some games aren't pre-recorded but they have a trick, like Just Dance, where the character on the screen will make the right dancing moves regardless of what you do, the tracking of your body only counts towards the score, when you stopped moving it would after stop the character, much like GH games introduce an odd note and cut the music for a second AFTER you played the wrong notes, to fake it for someone failing to play it on stage, instead of actually sound the notes you hit, right or wrong. That happens because the music on GH is prescripted and don't relate at all to what you are ''playing'' with your platic toy, just like Just Dance character moves don't relate at all to what you are doing, think of it as in guitar hero, your following instructions in a screen to get a score, not making the music play - or a character dance - by your inputs.

The only thing that were for sure live demo was Your Fitness or whatever it's named, but the lag was not only visible but also, as people here already said, it showed Kinect lacks precision. It was the same woman demoing it on MS conference and Ubi conference, but at Ubi conference she was smaller based on Kinect scan of her! Now that's some exercise that will really take away some inches of your body... vertically!

@ShadowFlare

If I remember right, Greenberg only admitted it for the ponchos thing.

[Hellsvacancy]

Thats NO excuse

[N4BmpS]

it really isn't an excuse, everyone else could have had the same problem, something could have went horribly wrong for everyone but they took that chance sooo, I still don't Omega's point.

[Imperator]

Yep, like the Zelda demo that went seriously wrong. MS doesn't have an excuse for using pre-rendered videos. If something went wrong they could easily explain it and all the press some hands on time which would show them that it's not a common error. Just like Nintendo did. They allowed the press to play Zelda and the large consensus is that it works great.

[MNicholas]

They'd show it to you but it's so amazing you'll go insane. So out of consideration for our sanity they only release crappy stuff like Wii Sports rip-offs.

[GenghisKhan]

http://techland.com/2010/06...

this is written by a xbox fanboy, peter ha.

[caladbolg777]

I didn't watch HHG's video. Is this an actual quote from a Microsoft rep? It just seems a little juvenile to be coming out of a PR rep's mouth. It's more like something you'd hear from two 12-year-olds bickering about their favorite console.

"The PS3 Move looks awesome!"
"No way. Kinect doesn't have to use a controller."
"Yeah, well I heard all the Kinect footage was staged. It wasn't even real. Atleast the Move is real, dumby-dumb! :gigglesnort:"
"No way! :sniffle: Kinect is better than anything else out there! I'm calling my mom! MOMMY!!!"

[Narutone66]

something called "Suspension of Disbelief".

[BattleAxe]

Great Show!!!

[whothedog]

Hip Hop, great show man, I loved the David Jaffe interview and I love David Jaffe(not in a gay way)!

That alone made the show. Keep it real brotha!

[brew]

It's Sunday ... nothing else to do , might as well watch the HHG show!

[kanetheking]

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[kanetheking]

pyrex u know u been looking at it don't lie to us.i bet that you

on the vid skip to 40sec den watch on

[Brewski007]

I concur.

[PyReX-]

@ Kane & Brew

LOSERS

Those who disagree are losers too

[USEYOURFIST]

free porn FTW

[lpfisher]

Just out of curiousity, why? Who's to say that they don't each have a healthy relationship with a woman?

Side note: Regular ejaculation is healthy be it from sex or masturbation; it helps prevent prostate cancer ;)

[Etseix]

@hxczuner
then watch porn.... with your girlfriend! ;)

Anyways,

Watch n Do porn with my gf /highfive/

[8thnightvolley]

free porn... what can go wrong.

[sukru]

Go outside and have some fresh air, almost anything is better than this show.

[deafwing]

.. also

[freezola75]

Hefty show bro!! I feel your enthusiasm for the Kinect mayne but I think that the Move seems to be more on par with what most gamers are looking for even as something considered casual. You can sit down and play with the move. Anyway good job getting all the gaming news my doode.

[egm_hiphopgamer]

PS MOVE IS THE BEST OF ALL MOTION CONTROLLERS but the KINECT is hot as well and that's real talk

[PyReX-]

Kinect is only getting attention cuz of the tech.
its not that great but its new (to consumers)

Keep up the good work tho HHG!

[getupahh]

Can you tell us if KINECT can be used while sitting on the sofa. If not, than I will have to pass. If it can, than I will buy.

[AC130-Gunship]

HHG this show was incredible. Keep up the awesome work dude. Looking to check out EA sports MMA based on the interview. Also your comments on Microsoft's Kinect show was on point.

[AC130-Gunship]

Nice HHG. You're rocking dude

[deafwing]

running into MP like that :D

- Lily is cheap .. nice win :D

[II Necroplasm II]

all day son

[LordMarius]

lol right, that's why Kinect can only detect two people at a time

[Snakefist30]

can it detect theves or buglars too.

[PyReX-]

@ Bubbles
So i guess it wont be able to..
haha yea thats a black joke

[UnSelf]

its funny my comment got deleted, as i too am black lol

albeit lightskin

bubbles up for sense of humor

EDIT: WTF I LOST A BUBBLE?!? man fk this site. i contribute positive after positve comment on a daily basis and i make one joke and lose a fkin bubble.

this site is a joke and i cant wait til this piece of shit falls apart

[Theonik]

Don't worry bubbles gave you your bubble back. ;D
@Snakefist: You know that feature i would like. Having a 360 send me a message on my phone when it detects motion in my living room while gone. Or call the cops. That's a selling feature right here!

[LordMarius]

here have a bubble, return the favor, lol

[karan8624]

Have a bubble, I know what you mean
I make positive and non-fanboy comments as much as I can, though I prefer PS3

I say I dont like home, boom. 23 disagrees and a bubble gone

[Rainstorm81]

the bubble system is kinda dumb, you get stripped for the most average gaming related comments while people troll with useless comments, and live on.

But part of the reason is people are more willing to take bubbles than give them, I never take bubbles unless someone blatantly deserves it.

But liking or disliking 360 or PS3 or Wii or PC isnt a reason to take bubbles...... Its a site for Gamers!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU know what Happy Fathers Day bubbles for all above me YAY!!!

[Nelson M]

Haaah Ha

[karan8624]

Reference Win

[zeddy]

imagine yourself alone in your house talking to your xbox, i doubt anyone on here is capable of this.

[PirateThom]

Hmm.... I wouldn't be so sure.

[Sevir04]

"Girl Boo"

LOL!!! the natal experience was nothing but a pre can smoke and mirrors event.. the tech is more really needs another year to work things out. because what was shown at e3 was just snoresvills. Wii motion plus is far more responsive than anything Natal was capable of doing. The tech isn't ready, it wasn't ready at this E3 and the Tech Still wont be ready when it launches this year. This will by far be one of the biggest fails of the industry if MS releases it this year.

MEH!!!

Move is the way to go.

[remanutd55]

whats up sevir ? did you attend E3 ? i wanted to meet you in person but didnt see you in the sony press conference or at E3 , yo you have facebook?

[user9422077]

Keep doing your thing HHG.

[SmokingMonkey]

wow, now imagine Kevin Butler duel wielding lightsabers?!

He would kill you then have something really funny to say afterwards.

[Duke Spookem]

Microsoft sounds scared.

[skip2mylou]

lol he stuttered so much when talking about Sony and Kevin Butler and Kinect Racing looks like a rip off of Modnation Racers

[Patrick]

The Move is just very exciting to me. Its accurate and has alot of variety as far as games that will be able to use it. Its the best option for both hardcore and casuals, adults and kids. Kinect o n the other hand.. well the kids might enjoy it.. for a few minutes.

[g0green]

mod nation is definately better then any kinect joyride, but you cant use the "rip off" arguement becuz mod nation is rip off of mario cart.

[skip2mylou]

@g0green Yea it maybe but does mario cart let you change your kart and characters outfit??? NO. but it is a rip off of lego racers XD since lego racers lets you customize you're cart and char

[thereapersson]

Sure, Move has shown the better level of interactivity that can be achieved through a game, but I just don't get what all the fuss over motion controls is this generation. I guess people just want something that can do what the Wii should have been able to do all along?

I don't know...

[ApocalypseShadow]

a premade video with someone miming the actions but got caught and there are videos to prove it.kinect knows the moves you want to do before you do them yourself.

another thing,nothing we saw at show or at E3 wasn't anything we haven't seen eyetoy and pseye capable of doing.absolutely nothing.they failed to show any action that makes it stand out.if you have a 3D avatar,at least show what it can do that a 2D camera can't do.and kung fu live proves that full body tracking can be done on 2D.

third,microsoft obviously knew that gamers want a star wars game to go with motion control.and knows full well that the ps move looks closer to a light saber handle than nothing at all in your hand.and with color change,move light sabers would make you a jedi or sith at 1:1.

microsoft just failed at proving a star wars game would play better than a move star wars game.put up some videos proving i'm wrong microsoft or be quiet.

[chidori soukou]

I refuse to give that idiot hits for his site..so no thanks

[skip2mylou]

then why do u fucking click on his stories just to post crap comments like this

[PyReX-]

He thinks people care about his opinion.

[branchedout]

I -watched- this get appoved to front page.
When he lifted his shirt.... Yeah.

[Garnett]

Step 1- Take a PS fanboy from N4G
Step 2- Make him like hip hop
Step 3- give him his own show.
Step 4- Bam you get HHL

[karan8624]

Step 1 - Take An xbot from N4G
Step 2 - Have him troll N4G
Step 3 - Nobody cares what you think, story finished

[yoghurt]

"Kinect is better than anything else out there"

except you cannot use it sitting down - priceless!

[MajestieBeast]

Lol Keighley in a suit made me lol. I really thought shane would say what i love most about this job downgrading ps3 games.

[tiamat5]

Once again Microsoft says things without proof or substance. I am sure Kinect would be the best thing out there, if it worked properly. All your conference showed was that you probably needed at least another year or two to perfect it. It isn't even close to Move or Wii-mote accuracy. But Microsoft doesn't care they have tons of willing guinea pigs who will test it for them. And when the problems start Microsoft will respond with usual 'We didn't know that would happen'

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

HHG really knows how to attract attention and visitors. But the content sometimes is not really true.

[HurstDarkStar]

im really amaze, you guys are dedicated fans. ^_^ have a cookie

[Dawn_Of_Ashes]

Dear hiphopgamer.... STOP BREATHING

[Gun_Senshi]

and his flamebait titles.

Please rate down the site and story using the new source rating system

[Nathaniel_Drake]

He seems like a really nice guy

[Ingram]

Kinect is just dreadful.You truly have to be braindead or in denial to think is better than "anything out there".

[Theonetheonly]

YEAH SUN!!!!!

[Rucury]

bubbles for the on-topic/off-topic/still funny comment.

now you made me write all this down...

shit man....

[freezola75]

Damn HHG great show but when all that wild shit started to pop off, it look liked Cloverfield at the end of your video footage lololol

[phinch]

Ha ha ha ha

[Darkfiber]

Both dumb in my opinion. I would rather have Move though, not for the technology as much as for the fact that they're actually going to be using it with hardcore games, and the motion control stuff wont be as kiddy. Still on the fence whether or not I'll actually get it, I'll wait until some decent games come out.

[ColdWinter]

this was a great show and i recommend people actually watch the show before they comment.

[Jeromejones]

Keep it up Hiphopgamer, dont listen to the haters. You have the potential to go big, and one day be amongst the ranks of Geoff Keighly and Micheal Pachter or greater. 1 luv and God bless

[karan8624]

But hes too unprofesional for it. Like when he was doing the move interview, I understand hes exited but he just kept yelling and shit. Didnt get off a single decent question

If he chills out a bit, yeah

[Affar]

Man I hate this guy

[NewNameNow]

Everyone knock his bubbles down, one cannot speak if he has no bubbles

[P1NKY]

I personally can't see how Natal / Kinect can be used for "hardcore" games in a productive manner. Not just for moving the camera slightly or voice commands. I just don't see it happening. I will be very impressed if they prove me wrong.

[darren_poolies]

This isn't really 'striking back' because Move isn't out yet.
Boo-yah. :P

[Loccus]

Here's a thought. Both the Move and Kinect technology have huge potential so why not wait until release and actual reviews come out for FINISHED product before you crucify either company?

[kewlkat007]

again...Hiphop is like the TMZ of gaming journalism.

Whatever sells....I mean gets hits.

[123360]

i,m from the uk thank jesus the gagdet show doesn,t sell there soul for a 360s.lets be honest every think MS showed was flawed ,lagged or it was an experience similar across the board.forget this i love every one out look just ask the real questions,wheres the shooters,wheres the rpg,s,wheres the prescion,why the lag,whats the cost,its no good saying what you think about the kevin butler statement.get some balls and state it works it aint better than the move or the wi in terms of what it can do,what you going to do to improve it.thats better than tip toeing around these guys,you ain,t blind call it as you see it man,honesty is the best policy even if people don,t like it from what ever camp

[clarkdef]

This was entertaining. Um first of I will say yes Nintendo had the most surprises, BUT. Nintendoes graphics arn't going to change, they are still bad. And surveys say hardcores have to have a current level of graphics, not the best, but not the worst either.

[You Noob]

Yes, and i can fly.

[JC_Denton]

If microsoft didn't respond to Butler's comments, they would lose. If they did, they would lose even more. Getting an actor to throw cheap shots at the competition in the most immature way possible is not only hystericle but also a smart move on Sony's part. Those who take him seriously hate/love his comments and find them funny and those who don't see those who retaliate as morons. In my opinion, all motion controlers suck, but Kinect is the worst of them all.

[Dayngls]

lol kinect is just a slighty updated version of the PS Eye Toy

[ATi_Elite]

After E3 I really don't see a reason to discuss Natal/Kinect let alone argue about.

If you like it buy it but there is no reason to discuss it as it was obvious that the screens were pre-rendered or pre-recorded and Natal/Kinect wasn't working.

I mean seriously your going to argue about EyeToy 2.0?

[thehitman]

HHG KEEP DOING YOUR THING!!. Vid was CRAZY nice beating number 1 tekken player but send me a Private message if want play some real players on tekken6. Also Aaron Greenburg and you was fucking HILARIOUS dont think ill ever see anything like that ever again. Amazing interview with David Jaffe really keep doing your thing watching your vid made it seem like I was at E3 ofc w/o being able to try the games lol. You got so many interviews with so many big people dont let anyone tell you that you not big in this industry. 30-40% more in KZ3 than KZ2 looking forward to it cant wait!!! You even got VIP into the Activision conference and ty for getting it because the conference wasnt on stream anywhere I could find of Activision.

At he haters stop hating HHG is doing his thing and anyone who comes in just to hate on him will be reported as TROLL and others should do the same.

And lol @ the Cloverfield like ending.

[N4g_null]

This years E3 doesn't need a hype title LA and E3 was crazy this year. He didn't get to hang with meth and red man though, come on how hiphop was that.

This vid was really what E3 was like, more so than any other vid. Devs just walking around like normal people man I'm glad we can walk around like normal people.

Yet when hiphopgamer comes up to you you do appreciate it.

Great show man I have to say but it's a no no not going to the nintendo stuff but hey they aren't your style that's understandable.

If you would have got to talk to meth though you would know he is a nintendo head.

[Chapulin]

Worst selling Twisted Metal? Man that sucks that's my favorite Twisted Metal.

[silkrevolver]

...and the hardcore LOVE IT, isn’t that right Don Matterick...

[BubZ-SkullY]

sometimes all this arguing is just lame...everyoone knows ps3 is the superior console..no argument there..but in this industry you never know what can happen.

M$ has a lot of money and they can easily turn things around...we as gamers know the truth..know what we want...know which motion control is better.

At the end of the day when everyone has bought their move/kinect we will all know ourselves which is better, and then one company will fail..and we all know who that will be.

on topic.

i respect what hiphop gamer does, and i dare say it, i'm like a fan..hate me or cuss me ur problem...he does go over the top a bit at times, but most of the times he is write, and at the end of the day you can't curse him because he is giving an opinion, and as we all (should) know opinions are neither wrong or right. Its hard to be respected by gamers, because we will instantly hate when he says something bad about our favourite game/console. At the end of the day you lot must care if your watching, and taking time out to comment bs.

[MysticStrummer]

Reminds me of Dan Quayle's feud with Murphy Brown... not that most of you know what the hell I'm talking about.

[GuruStarr78]

How excited HHG is for gaming......he's like a little kid.....love it!~

[iceman06]

I don't care about all of the rumors and speculation because I'm old enough to research and use common sense for most of that. What I really like is that he has a child-like excitement for gaming. It's really passion for him. Despite his critics, his downfalls, and everything else...he is here every Sunday delivering his unique brand of entertainment which basically takes a hip-hop attitude into gaming. Sure, it might not be for everybody. But, I don't have many problems with it. Keeping it perspective. It is just entertainment.

[GuruStarr78]

bubble up to you bro.......he just says what we as enthusiastic gamers are thinking.....

[jootca]

I wonder what the E3 09 footage you lost would of looked like?

[blackblades]

This is video is so lagged up, just like the last one.

[bviperz]

Without control of direction in the game (read: game on rails), I can't see Kinect being any good.

[rlm42]

All i got to say is what a fucking legend!