CVG: E3 2010: Xbox 360 250GB Slim Review

Speaking to Microsoft reps at the unboxing event, CVG was told repeatedly that the firm believes this is the best console it's ever made. They are right. This is the solid, polished machine it should have been to begin with. If PS3 had one undeniable advantage over 360 in the past it was in the hardware stakes, but MS has truly stepped up its game.

[RatFuker]

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[Lionhead]

Whoo

Free for CVG means high marks =D

[siyrobbo]

you do realise cvg gets every game and hardware for free anyway?

[Hideo_Kojima]

Almost all reviewers get almost all games for free...

You will never find a reviewer who buys games.

Would a food critic pay for the meal?

[wicko]

That was my expression when I read this:

"no microwave bleep like the PS3. Instead, Microsoft saved the hardware bleep for the disc tray open and close button (which is also touch sensitive), although this console's bleep is more of a smoother, nicer tone, not quite as high-pitch and ear-piercing."

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel with this one.. I'll take a "ear-piercing" beep over jet engine DVD-ROMs any day.

[SOAD]

It runs quieter too, so you don't have to hear that jet engine.

[wicko]

lol so someone with multiple accounts went nuts? pretty sad!

And no, it doesn't really run quieter, only marginally. It's still going to be loud as hell.

[RedDevils]

you need to run it next to the mic/headset, and turn your 7.1 speakers up, it would feel like you're in a space rocket which is about to take off

[bunfighterii]

yeah comparing the beeps the consoles make is just pure fandom at work.

[GrieverSoul]

So we are comparing "bips" on the console war now?!

Whats next?! The buttons sounds when pressed?!

o.O

[AAACE5]

There's just too much sh*t I wanna buy this year! I wanna get this right now, but I know they will do a bundle with Kinect later this year.

Then there's Ghost Recon, Medal of Honor, NBA 2K11, Madden 11, etc.(too many to name). By the way, this will be the first Madden I buy on day 1. It seems like they are fixing a lot of the stuff that was bad.

ALFAxD_CENTAURO... The days of blu-ray players being really expensive has kinda passed! Hell, you can find a blu-ray player from $70-$120 for the cheap ones.

I think it's like I said a few weeks ago. We will probably see consoles stick around longer, but get upgrades as time goes on. You never know, wemight see blu-ray in the 360 next year or some other type of upgrade!

If they did put it in next year, it could be a smooth transition. It would function normally if you were using regular dvd's or not. If they wanted to make games on blu-ray, the games released on blu-ray have the bluray case so that people notice the difference. It would make it easier for them to know if they could play that particular game or not.

That would help alot because you would be able to give games to those who have older systems, and the bluray games could be for companies who need extra space. If people want those games they have to get a new one. Otherwise, there are games for them as well.

[ChronoJoe]

So you wana buy 4 multiplatform games... for the year.

Doubt you'll see a bluray player, there is no need for kinect titles, and that's where the development focus, and funding is now. So.

[ravinash]

They won't be able to make 360 games on Blueray as the older 360s will not be able to play them. So I don't see that happening other than just a nice option so 360 can play blueRay films.

[Christopher]

***The sheer spin speed of that drive remains clearly audible as it was in the first console so it's not an entirely silent experience, although we think that's unavoidable. ***

And now that we've confirmed that the new one still uses proprietary storage and still has a loud disc drive, it's really not something I'm interested in unless mine breaks down and I _need_ to buy a new 360.

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***Where PS3 has lost features over the years (PS2 support, USB ports, card reader ports), the new Xbox 360 250GB enhances the experience with built in Wi-Fi and optical ports, more USB ports (five instead of three) and all-round better build quality. ***

Wait... what? You're saying a console that still uses proprietary hardware, finally includes an internal wireless adapter, and slims down is better than a machine that's always provided internal wi-fi, has the cheapest HDD expansion capabilities out there, and also includes blu-ray capabilities?

Yeah, sorry, but how about people stop double dipping into the Sony hate there. They removed the card readers and two USB ports to make it cheaper so people would buy the hardware. Now that it's affordable and people are buying it at a level that still has more built-in than the 360, you complain that they had to remove stuff in order to make it affordable?

That's some crappy journalism logic right there.

[gtamike]

Still will get RROD I think

[robep3]

.......Still an external power supply LOL still have heat problems then do they lets see when we see the first demo one with red lights!!!!!!

[koh]

Would I pay for a hooker?

[BigRedBall]

Yeah, definitely soulds like quality hardware. Its too early for reviews. Its not even out in stores yet.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

Should be included with Blu ray for a price like $299. The Blu ray alone cost $200.

[SOAD]

Standalone Blu Ray players of much better quality than the one you will find in a PS3 cost about 60 bucks around now.

[redking315]

sites such as cnet.com still rate the PS3 as one of the best quality blue-ray player on the market. Most players that approach the PS3 cost around 150-200. Also those $60 players don't include the newest BD-Live standard.

[etownone]

Please educate me where I can find a $60 blu-Ray player, let alone one that is better then the one found in the ps3 with wi-fi and 3D ready.

[wicko]

Sorry, but, completely wrong.

You will not find a $60 bluray player with a feature set like the PS3. Good try though.

[stb]

Oh poor soad, go to your mommy now.

[adamx]

where? Thats right you can prob only come up with some knock off shit.

[SOAD]

You guys obviously haven't heard of NewEgg.

[bobdog626]

The PS3 can Update itself by WiFi alone.A Simple update is the best thing Sony has done with the PS3.It can Update for the latest Movies or Firmware like 3D.You have to buy a new Bluray player to do what the PS3 has Built in.So this Rounds for the PS Fans

[ipe]

60$ quality BR player?

good luck with that

[PSwheeze]

@ redking315

I'm not sure why you're getting all the disagrees. I have two blu ray players in addition to my ps3. One is a bottom barrel magnavox ($70) and the PS3 destroys it in every way possible. (speed, noise, picture, everything) The other, is a pretty darn good Samsung with wifi, netflix, pandora, etc which set me back $250 and guess what? The PS3 is STILL better than that one by a good margin. From my experience, the PS3 is still one of the best blu ray players on the market.

[Trek5200]

Please....show me one....and prove to me that you can leave the house without your Mom holding your and firmly and making sure your helmet is on tight.

[ReBurn]

There's nothing to support the assertion that Blu-ray makes up $200 of the $299 price tag. You can get standalone, fully featured Blu-ray players from Sony, Samsung and Panasonic for around $130, so the actual cost of the drive alone must be much lower than that.

It's so hard to take people seriously when they just pull their facts out of thin air.

[Redgehammer]

I have heard that 67% of all facts are made up on the spot

[Bolts]

There is a difference between a Bluray player and a Bluray set box. The PS 3 is still one of the best Bluray box around, its fast as hell and has build in wifi with the best firmware support in the industry. Thats the truth.

Another truth is the bluray drive itself is dirt cheap and can be bought for $60. Here's the link for Newegg http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

[dcbronco]

First, the cost of the drive and the other components that make a difference are two different things. I'm sure Sony pays less than $60 for the drives themselves. If any of us can get one for $60, Sony can get(or make them) them much cheaper in bulk. The Cell and Reality Synthesizer play a huge role in the quality of the video. Most stand-alone units won't spend that type of money for the other parts inside.

[FordGTGuy]

A Blu-Ray drive by itself costs Sony $200 per you must be out of your mind.

You can now get a 4x Blu-Ray drive for $60 on Newegg, the price per drive for Sony is going to be way lower. Microsoft would have to take a hit and pay royalties to Sony in order to use a Blu-Ray drive and maybe they aren't up for that just yet.

I'm still holding out for games to be sold on flash drives so you save your games to the drive and almost instant read times.

http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

[despair]

a blu ray drive is not a blu ray player....really grasping at straws here aren't you?

[Pianosa]

Does a Blu-Ray drive play Blu-Rays? Then it is a Blu-Ray player. And it's not hard to connect an HDMI cable from a PC to an HDTV.

Ironically, you are the one grasping at straws here.

[thewhoopimen]

Actually you guys are the the ones grasping at straws. If your gonna compare a bluray drive to a bluray player you'd better come up with a price of a Dolby TruHD or DTS HD certified 7.1 sound card to go with that bluray drive. You also need to come up with a bluray drive that accepts blutooth or at least an IR sensor for remote control. You will also need to make sure you have a Video card with an HDMI output. Factor those in and I don't see the $60 you are talking about.

[Misterhbk]

if we move to flash drive games (aka cartridge) then expect a massive boost in piracy? You see how easily devices like the iPhone are picked apart by the hacking community? They would pick apart a flash drive within minutes. I highly doubt MS or Sony, or Nintendo will be moving their main console back to a flash drive (cartridge) what is this the stone ages? lol, just sayin.

[dabri5]

When did this turn into a Bluray article?

[SPACEBALL 1]

ps3 fanboys are pathetic. they are the scumbags of the gaming universe. anything pro xbox on this site has to turn into a "why ps3 is better" argument.

[LycanSoldier]

I agree with the last sentence ^
I don't see why PS3 enthusiasts even look at Xbox news. I never look at PS3 news.

[HDgamer]

I wonder how he's a ps3 fanboy just for mentioning something that CVG is clearly comparing a console to? It's called common sense, something you two clearly never have.

[LycanSoldier]

@HDgamer
You've obviously misunderstood what was being talked about as you seem to think someone was talking about an individual, while actually it was about a collection of people, thus the plural "fanboys"
The irony of you saying we don't have common sense is rich.

[FinalomegaS]

would like to make it clear that the topic is the new 360 slim review, 90% of the post above are about bluray.

How in the world do you want MS to include BR into the 360? They didn't from the start and the console cycle is near the end, sure they are buying time with this re-design but the next step system are really hush hush right now. Maybe BR into that but not the current system.

I'm curious the stress test on the new model, how long can it go now without locking up.Might trade my arcade for this, EB canada normally has some sweet deal for trade ins.

[Lirky]

It's just missing a hd format drive and get rid of the disc tray. - a next gen console needs next gen features like every feature.

[FordGTGuy]

According to Nintendo and their wide profit margin that isn't correct.

[nickjkl]

sales does not = next gen

wii is cheaper so it sales more

ford accoring to you the ps2 is also next gen because it outsold the wii

[Lord Gunchrote]

its a great redesign...yet 9? maybe an 8. If every game and concept were 9s...why do we even read reviews anymore? its like 9s are very easy to come by these days!

[flyingmunky]

I feel like you're on to something here...Maybe we should just take this guy's opinion as a provisional score and add our own bits. For example: we start by taking off 1 point for each year that the RROD fiasco went on for, which could be worth anywhere from 2-5 points off that 9. All depends on which side of the fence you are sitting on.

[spunnups]

9/10 is the new 5/10

[FordGTGuy]

So many trolls in this article.

[FinalomegaS]

Funny you mention this, as most trolls have more bubbles than the average user... odd uh?

[Myst]

How the heck -- oh yeah I forgot Microsoft handed these out. I was about to wonder how their was a review of it up already, well hey at least they finally added Wifi..?

[Dylantalon1]

reviewing a console that is known for hardware failure without a lengthy hands on experience is a bit silly.

[Triella]

I'd like to see the inside of this thing before passing a judgement on how reliable it is, for all we know they could have just redesigned the case and rearranged the same electonic components to fit in a cramped space.

[discoworld]

the best console ever c'mon didnt ps3 look like this first touch buttom and eveything, and no bluray yeah right.

[Kurt Russell]

Why does a games console need blu-ray? So many dumb twats still holding onto tech over playability.

There are a hell of a lot of PS3 hardcore fans crying like fairies in this thread... Instead try buying one and play it 1st hand.

I picked up the PS3 when it went slim, and it's well worth owning both.

tramps

[athlon770]

Being a new PS3 owner, you may or may not know this, but many of the PS3's games are over 20gig. Which warrents the PS3 haveing that BD drive. In fact, there are a couple of games (not movies) for the PS3 that have required the 50gig dual layer blue ray disk to hold the games data. Why if I recall correctly, there was even one game that the developer could not put all the language files on even the 50gig disk. That same game used 3 disks on the 360 and were heavily compressed. But you wouldn't care of such things would you. You would rather call the group you are 'supposedly' a part of ... "dumb twats". Interesting, if not slightly on the dumb side itself. And before you go off saying to purchase a 360, look at my gamer info, you will see BOTH my 360 and PSN name! Funny that I don't see the same under your name.

[Kurt Russell]

athlon

Kurt Russel xbox
Air_Hair_Lair PSN

I stand corrected on file size, although I don't deem it necessary... Gameplay does take a back seat on this site.

[Blacksand1]

Like i said in the past Microsoft like to take poeple money. They need to learn how to fix all the problems with the first 3 console's before they try to bring out a new one. Trying to jump start there system and make fast money, coming out without testing like 2005 will led to failure again Redring, E74 all over again. I'm a Sony fan but i hope they have it right this time for Microsoft fan sake.

[Jazz4108]

the ps3 slim is kind of ugly looking

[Close_Second]

...I did not like the look of the revamped PS3 when it was first released it has won me over. However, the 360 slim looks better and I do love the way they have USB ports on the back. I wish Sony would do this so we can use things like PlayTV or using external storage without having to have the cables out the front.

[ElementX]

Well I'm going to pick one up. I don't have a gaming PC and I want to play ME2, Alan Wake, Fable 3, and some others.

[akumous]

I'm giving MS the benefit over the doubt here, the system seems to be more reliable than the prior iterations and I am hoping it is...

[adamx]

seems to be more reliable? Because its been out what 8 hrs and hasn't rrod yet?

[hisnamewas]

Could you be any more unoriginal with your avatar? Actually, keep it like that. It lets people know you're a troll without even reading your posts.

[MRMagoo123]

hes got a point tho unless ur stupid how can u say a console seems more reliable when its been out a few hours ffs get a grip u fanboy

[ScoobyDrew]

The only real reason I don't like the 360's is due to the overheating fail rates... maybe that massive hood intake will help with that. I guess time will tell.

[KiraxYamato]

that huge ass ugly power brick still there ugh.

[vampstreak]

but i still won't be buying an xbox i will just try to find some way of getting it free like i did with the original. Maybe I`ll buy one if the failure rate decreases cuz im really tempted to buy that one.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Whoever designed this one should get a raise, whoever designed the first should be fired. Than subjected to being tied up with a donkey kicking them in the balls repeatedly.

[vsr]

.........

[bobdog626]

But when Halo Reach comes out you will have no Friends b/c they All will have a 360 and All will be on Xbox Live playing Halo so Rock On Sony Fans .PS See you Guys Real Soon or stay in your little Sony World playing LBP 2012

[Strikepackage Bravo]

would stop asking for a bluray, if they did that it would completely screw over the 40 million gamers that purchased the 360s with DVD. None of them would be able to play any future games without buying a new 360. You people are morons if you think that would be a good idea, STFU asking for a useless bluray, its not needed, Gears 3 proves that, and PS3 has failed to prove it is needed. Geez you Sony extremists are stupid...

[MRMagoo123]

gears 3 proves that the engine is outdated and cant keep up with todays graphical standards thats all it proved. enjoy ur 3 games this year hopefully they get get fable 4 geow 4 and halo:i know what you did last summer out for next year so u have something to play then too

[sam2236]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA no. Hell, we don't even know if the RROD still affects these new consoles or not and it STILL has the fucking power brick!!

Also,

"The sheer spin speed of that drive remains clearly audible as it was in the first console so it's not an entirely silent experience, although we think that's unavoidable."
Of course it's unavoidable! MS is just being lazy.

[NeloAnjelo]

Good move Microsoft!... However...
Why are people so excited? There're just selling an oblong shaped PS3... Sony offered all this, with blu ray out of the box from the start. Built in Wifi, removable HD drive, gloss black, HD ready, more than one USB port... ??? !!! Am I the only one seeing this?

Yes the price point is quite good... I mean this is how you lauch an updated system. Freebies, same price as the old one, etc. But as I own all the consoles, I can't help but think its knock off.

FLAME ME FANBOYS. I dont give a damn. Nevertheless Inteliigent debate is greatly welcomed.

[DevastationEve]

You say Sony offered it from the beginning, but that was at $600. Sony has admitted that launching PS3 so expensive and including "non essential" features was a mistake for them, proof being that they gave into demands for a slim PS3.

The PS2 slim came out in 2004...four years after the original, and another subsequent redesign in 2007. They raped the console a good four years (and the first 2 years of PS3's life) before DECIDING to make the slim. A $300 CONSOLE DID THAT for them, since they were able to drop even further! By contrast, PS3 launches at $600 and only 3 years later they make the slim, PLUS they're already at half the price of what they launched at and the games people wanted were finally coming out.

What does that say? That consoles need to be $300 at launch, no more high-priced bullsh!t. And they need to have the games that people want SOON.

Here's a key to the riddle that is Microsoft's success this gen: they kept the Arcade console alive throughout the years to KEEP THE PRICE LOW!

Think about it: after almost 5 years of a single core design of Xbox 360s from launch they've actually come closer to PS2-level profitability than PS3, which actually got slimmed sooner than 360 did.

[MRMagoo123]

yet the ps3 outsold the 360 since day 1

[N4PS3G]

getting it soon

[bunfighterii]

It is much more attractive, but as a pure value proposition it still lacks a bluray player as compared to the PS3 which is the same price... it should be cheaper.

[RankFTW]

I just got my 360 Elite when Alan Wake came out so gonna have to give this a miss, looks nice though, kinda like a knock off PS3.

[United4Life]

But I"m Still happy with my PS3 , A New Structural Design doesn"t make the Xbox any Better already.The PS3 still has Bluray , 3D and a More Beasty Hardware over the Xbox already at the same price.
People Claiming that this is the Best Console ever made ,NO,just No.

[Denethor_II]

How can you give a console a 9/10 score?

[gypsygib]

Still has a disk tray…very disappointing.

[Greyfoxdbz]

if this is 9/10, what the hell was the old Xbox 360?

[DevastationEve]

A 9/10...for being launched in 2005, duh! Every console looked its best when it first came out.

[Greyfoxdbz]

Yeah, by comparison you moron

[cmrbe]

OH wait.

[abhisheksagi]

A good Xbox 360 filled with loads of features

[Counter Strike]

wish is GREAT! Where Sony Cuts , Microsoft puts!

[Umbrella Corp]

Off topic I saw this on Gamestop.com

Xbox 360 250GB Console includes:
Xbox 360 250GB S Console
Xbox 360 250GB S Removable Hard Drive
Xbox 360 Black Wireless Controller
Xbox 360 Black Headset
Xbox 360 Composite A/V cable (standard definition)
One Month Xbox LIVE Gold Membership
1 year limited console warranty

1 year warranty?They decreased the warranty guys watchout...
EDIT:AND NO HDMI CABLE while being the same price as the PS3 when it comes with one...

[abluecardigan]

The PS3 slim did not come with a HDMI cable. Why should the 360 slim?
If you're going to nitpick, the PS3 also does not ship with a headset.

http://boardsus.playstation...

[MRMagoo123]

if you want to nitpick the 360 doesnt ship with bluray or an internet browser or games that arent shooting related or anything useful but like most things MS failure is preinstalled like vista

[Claudinho69]

its mid 2010 and they dont have blu ray

[llMurcielagoll]

Hmmm.. Well, it does look shorter than the Original 360 in terms of height. But width, looks like about the same thickness of the original 360 isn't that right or that is just me?

[BLADE_X8]

For me, I will just wait a few weeks...and see what the failure rate is looking like for the Xbox 360 "slim" console. If it holds up, then I will be OK with the 9/10 score. (Can't every compy to a full 10, because there is no Blu-ray on the 360, and still charging for XBL) IT DOES LOOK A LOT BETTER, I WILL SAY THAT.

[hiredhelp]

not much change in design.however its been like 5 years now.WHISPER QUIET.that all wot about over heating issues have now been fixed no more RROD OR E NUMBERS. what about a SORRY FOR SCREWING YOU GUYS FOR THE PAST 4 HALF YEARS. if they really have done there jobs better then i beleave too little too late why not do this b4.funny how theres no price rise.why cos they wont sony didnt.when they rought the slim out.yews i agree with some of you be nice to see inside.but to me this clearly a knock at SONY SLIM. they never made a slim in there life.so why now. hmm

cant beat them join em or is it.. if you cant beat them copy them. !! and please why not let a member of the audiance have a go at the console why is it always only for people that they know. roll on sony press cnfrance and EA

[ATi_Elite]

Xbox 360 slim $299 and NO Blu-Ray? This is a Joke right? I like the bigger HDD as the 360 should install games to the HDD so no more buying games on 4 and 5 disc.

I like the shiny look as the PS3 slim is ugly.

Why do editors always complain about finger prints on shiny consoles. How about you stop molesting your console therefore no finger prints.

WOW free ESPN....too bad everyone already has it. How about Free online gaming like the PS3.

[chrisin3]

I know a lot of xbox fanboys are really excited about this, but you can't help but think this console, looking at the features and looks, is almost a PS3 clone. I have a jasper 360, but I can't see myself buying another 360 just bc it FINALLY has wifi and looks flashier. Plays the same games as the one I have does. SO it was upgraded 5 years later. There's no medal in the mail for this.

[HurstDarkStar]

so u guys want MS to be Sony? cause i do not know how or why a company would change the disc format near the end of its cycle, thats just...............wrong

and why cant people be happy that there is a new model of a system that they were scared migth die on the them any minute i mean c'mon really?

[dj55555555]

Already a video of the 360 slim taking chunks out of a DVD by just moving the system very lightly. http://n4g.com/news/544076/...

[abluecardigan]

Shifting something more than 45 degrees isn't something I'd call light movement.

[s45gr32]

Curses Microsoft is lazy as hell could someone please tell me why external power supply is better than internal power supply. Disc tray really no disc slot. So a shiny case with built in wifi and two usb sports is a redesign ugh!!!

[chrisin3]

it's just a new model so people will give more money to MS after they already spent money on an xbox once, twice, or maybe three times. How much money do we gotta give these guys? So finally 5 years later and they give us the console they should have at launch. Betther than nothing but too late. I recommened only for people who havent bought an xbox yet.

[Trilogy2k]

Same crap, different box

[spiky1228]

I am glad they did a redesign and the CVG giving such high marks. Seriously, how would they know it is reliable. RROD is known to appear couple months "after" usage. There are some comments I find really odd.

The comment about "bleeping" sound been more smoother than PS3 is just preference.

PS3 lost features ? The every PS3 Slim has WiFi and USB Port. What features did XBOX360 enhanced ? 2 more USB port and you call that an enhancement !!

How about Hard Drive, still using a overpriced one or a sata one ?

I am not bashing because it looks nice but at least include BLU-RAY for price of $299.99. I am reading couple website and alot of them are comparing this to a $349.99 PS3 to make the new xbox360 s seems more value.

[No Way]

Uhhh.. can't use a blu-ray.
There is no point in it.
They can't switch the game disc.

[hoops]

The PS3 did lose features with each new sku.
But $299 the new slim Xbox360 should have come with a 500GB HDD.

[Blacksand1]

I spoke to soon it do have a problem they did not fix if you move it. the new 360 will eat your dise up.

[Blacksand1]

It have problems already if you move it, when it's playing the disc will scratch up badly and i said it last night i hope they fix all the problems guest not.

[Blacksand1]

Like i said last night i hope they fixed all the problems they didn't it still scratch your disc up. The article below.

If you own an Xbox 360 you know the most annoying thing about it is the RRoD. You probably know the second most annoying thing about it as well, and that is that it can scratch the sh*t out of your discs. Nothing like plopping down $60 bucks just to get home and have the game ruined because your console destroyed it. You'd think this would be something the Microsoft would take care in their new version of the console since it seems they've taken care of many of the other issues the console had. Think again. Our intrepid E3 team tested the console out with an Alan Wake disc and then Nick decided to move it. Suddenly all hell breaks loose. Goodbye, Alan Wake.

Sure, there was a sticker on the damn thing saying not to move it, but it isn't like he was tossing it around the room. They're planning on having gesticulating children play Kinect anywhere near this thing? Some games are going to be getting destroyed, people. Looks like everyone needs to be really, really careful around their new 360s while they are on or their games are going to get wrecked.

[No Way]

Then don't move the 360, problem solved.
Most people have theirs in a entertainment center, anyway.

[hoops]

Who movves there consoles will the game is in the system anyways? LOL
Honestly.

[Aquacure]

"This is what the 360 should've been?" Really?! Oh no, not after 5 years time. You aren't gonna start this crap are you? It went something like this before: "MS is giving us choice. I don't need wifi this and I don't want to have to pay for ______ that." So some opted for choice, (choice of course being a way to justify the lack of features in the 360 and being charged for them piece by piece). Now MS includes this stuff and now it's a party? Wha...? You even went so far as to pit start-up bleeps against each other? "It's not as ear-piercing..." Dude, it's a bleep. I wouldn't call it ear-piercing even if the bleep was on the other motherboard. Try harder.

[EXID]

i've been waiting for so long for this redesign, but i'm not paying $300 for it. i was expecting a $200 release =/ looks like i'm either waiting a while for a price drop or a redesigned arcade system...

[FFXI101]

The good things about the new system is that they included the wi-fi and it runs quieter than the old model.

I like the old model better, plus you can take your HDD with you to work or friend's house and play it. It didn't look like you can do that now with the new one( I mean we could, but we have to unistall-install-unistall-inst all, too much work like PS3's drive)

To me, it looks so ugly compare to the old model. I'd not spend $299 to buy one.

[No Way]

Love to see the new update, and all the same fanboys are still around.. with more accounts(as the bubbles reset -.-).

Anyway, I don't need a 'slim' but would love to have that hard drive.

[The_Zeitgeist]

Xbox has built in Wi-Fi now?!?!?!?! Wow, this is almost as big as Nintendo switching from cartridge to CD. AMAZING.

Seriously though, as a Sony fan here. That thing looks pretty sexy.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

sorry MS too late!

now if only MS could get their weak @$$ game library to match up to the new sleak console... shame E3 exposed their future plans... and to provide great games outside of Gears 3 and Reach... nothing is planned for good gaming...

my 360 is about to see an exit...

[air1]

why are so many sont fanatics always nut hugging all the 360 news?

we get it you will never buy a 360 cause you are afraid it will rrod. fine, now scram, go to the move thread, if you can find any, haha...

whats ironic is that i bet all of you ran and got a ps3 day 1 not knowing if it would have the same dre issue, you know the one that every one had to pay out of pocket more then once, but im sure n one here on n4g experienced that plus its so last gen, amiright...

[bviperz]

So no reason to upgrade from a MW2. Still feel jaded for buying the it and a wifi adapter recently.