How the Pros Mock Nintendo

For two decades, people have been paid to make fun of Nintendo. These professionals are hired by big companies that either hate Nintendo or consider Nintendo to be semi-ridiculous.

[HOSe]

Dear Nintendo - You suck, long live the Gamecube!

[Greywulf]

Nintendo won this gen, everyone else is fighting over last.

[bootsielon]

In sales, which I don't care about because I'm not one of their stockholders.

[Marojado]

Nintendo have really taken some serious profit this generation. The interesting situation now will be as to whether they can repeat this success with the next generation.

I'm not sure whether or not the wii has established itself enough as a must have accessory for the general population to "pull an Ipod" and make everyone lap up Nintendo's next hardware, or whether they're going to have to go outside the box to reanimate people's interest.

[SpoonyRedMage]

Super Mario Galaxy is the highest ranking game of all time on Gamerankings and no.2 of Metacritic so they're obviously not doing too bad quality wise either...

[shazui123]

So mario galaxy 2, a game with the same story as any other mario game for almost the past 30 years( a non-existant one), no online play and horrible graphics, deserves to be scored higher than games like GTA4, red dead redemption, Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, MGS4 etc. all having fairly brilliant stories or spectacular gameplay mechanics or addictive online modes? Theres something called a skew and it has definitely gone on with SMG2 reviews

[shazui123]

So storyline and graphics dont matter at all, right? thats why when games are reviewed those are the parts they are rated on right?

Youre telling me milking more than 120 games is supporting a fanbase? no. Supporting a fanbase is bringing out innovative new IPs, something Nintendo has failed to do this gen. You REALLY think its ok to force mario after mario upon people? you must have extremely low expectations.

and @ seferoth clearly you have missed the point. This article is about how the pros have mocked nintendo, I just pointed out why they might. I also said how can mario be groundbreaking after being in 128 games, not how can it be good, now im laughing at you *rolls eyes* and you called me a child... I could add to that by pointing out how you enjoy a mario game that caters for a younger audience but it's really not worth it.

[EvilTwin]

shazui123 -- Seriously?

I mean...really?

You want to knock Mario down because of...story? That's like blaming Madden for not having a compelling narrative.

Some videogames are made with the GAME part in mind. And I'm thankful for that. Not all videoGAMES need to ape movies, fer Chrissakes.

"Forcing" Mario? No more than COD, NFS, Madden, GTA, MoH, FF, etc. are "forced" on gamers. Go ahead and look at the number of actual Mario platformers ever released over the past few decades. Then compare that to the steady churning out of prosaic shooters, sports games, copycat sandbox titles, etc.

And if you can honestly look at either Galaxy game and call the graphics ugly...well, that speaks for itself. It must be very tough to appreciate ANY game's visuals with your head that far up your intestinal tract.

[ZoidsRaven]

Oh yeah, that makes sense. Why don't all VIDEOGAME developers waste money on an acting crew and scripts for the story everytime they want to make a videogame. :/ Are you kidding? But nevermind, I realize that it's people like you who need stories and graphics to enjoy a game. But I also realize that it's people like you who kill gaming by demanding aspects in games that are only needed in movies.
Yes, it's what reviewers go by. But I'd figure you would consider review scores a joke nowadays becuase of SMG 2's review scores. Think it over.

No I didn't say that. I'm just saying Nintendo making a game of an old franchise shows that they haven't forgotten about their fans. And you're wrong when you say Nintendo has not created new IPs. Look up Disaster: Day of Crisis and also look up Zangeki no Reginleiv, I'd wasted my time listing more but you're just going to post the same old garbage on another Nintendo related article. So forget about the rest of the list.

BTW, FIerce Musashi listed new IPs. By asking for new IPs you admit you didn't read Fierce Musashi's list. All you saw was Mario.

@ your post to Seferoth75:
He's replying to your point about the games Mario has been in. In other words, he's replying to you. What doesn't make it "groundbreaking" after over 100 games (this is something you've yet to explain)?
Lol I asume Seferoth will be all grown up if he played some M rated shooters instead of Mario games, right? 7_7

[SinnedNogara]

I'm pretty sure the Mario series is based on gameplay and mechanics, not story and online. Not every game needs to have compelling story. Speaking of which, did you just say that Killzone 2 has good story?? Killzone 2 was a great game, but it nothing too spectacular. KZ2 is a game that is done like any other FPS but done really well, and that's where the review scores come in.

Not every game needs online multiplayer. That's not the game's focus. Honestly, Super Mario Galaxy 2 co-op would be a major disaster considering it's a platformer with more bottomless pits then you could even count.

Sure some games need it (New Super Mario Bros. Wii) but it doesn't have to be necessary for every game. Because games focusing on single player usually have tacked-on multiplayer (F.E.A.R. 2, Riddick).

[ChickeyCantor]

I love how shazui is just saying its a bad game because its not aiming at certain things it does not require.

People dont put things in perspective here...

[NecrumSlavery]

Nintendo abandoned the faithful for grandmas and 7 year olds. They made millions off of it. And give just enough to the hardcore to keep their head afloat with the hardcore community.

Thanks Nintendo for nothing but great memories and a bitter taste in our mouths.

[Fierce Musashi]

WiiSports
WiiSports Resort
WiiPlay
WiiMusic
WiiFit
WiiFit Plus
WiiParty

(7 So far)

Sin & Punishment 2
Super Smash Brothers Brawl
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Twilight Princess
Metroid Prime 3
Metroid Prime Trilogy
Fire Emblem RD
Punch-Out
Mario Kart wii
Mario Strikers Charged
Zelda Wii
Metroid Other M
New Super Mario Bros. wii
Excite Truck
Excitebots
Zangeki no Reginleiv
Wario Land: Shake It!
WarioWare: Smooth Moves
Xenoblade
The Last story

(21 so far ( May have missed some if i'm not mistaken ) )

I don't feel abandoned at all, mate.

[asdr3wsfas]

Nintendo sold the NES to 7 year olds. They have existed their entire history selling to children. If you feel abandoned playing games similar to those on NES or SNES on wii you probably never owned either system.

[lightningsax]

The first-party WiiCasual titles do total 7. Yeah. But those don't include the insane amount of third-party publishers that make casual games for the system. The Wii is inundated with those games.

Your argument needs to be stronger. Include all the casual games that would counter your argument, or leave third-party titles off of your list altogether.

Then you list these 21 games that make you feel less abandoned. That's cool for you, fine, but you're going to find that many readers have issues with many titles on that list.

First: Twilight Princess and Metroid Prime Trilogy. TP was a Gamecube title with added Wii controls. Metroid Prime Trilogy consists of two great Gamecube games and one (not as good in my opinion) Wii game. Sorta relevant, I guess, but you're better off marking the exclusive Corruption and not the trilogy.

Second: Metroid Other M, Zelda Wii, Zangeki, Xenoblade, and The Last Story. You have five games on there that are not yet playable in any of our regions. Unless you live in Japan or import your Wii and all your games, none of these belong. If you do that, four of these still don't belong.

Third: Excite Truck was an okay game for a launch title, but you're not going to get any core gamer excited about that one or Excitebots right now. It's okay if it's your reason, but it's not going to work in an argument.

Fourth, and the worst by far: You mention two Wario Ware games. I really wish Nintendo made something that got anywhere near Twisted for the GBA, but they haven't. These games look like crap in comparison, and it's depressing.

Here's my list: No More Heroes 2 (although we may see it go multiplatform soon), SSB Brawl, SMG 1 and 2, the Bit.TRIP series, a few good Japanese import VC titles, and the best version of Castlevania: Rondo of Blood that's available. I need a Wii. End of line.

[N4g_null]

These are all nintendo puublished games so, nintendo put up the money or even helped develop these games. These are basicly just like the sony exclusives that sony puts money into. You won't see many of these guys going multiplate ethier because nintendo lets them do their thing for the most part.

So his argument is really strong then when you add the fact that they actualy made even more games that are not even ported yet.

The bitter taste in your mouth is much like you growing apart from a loved one yet you don't want to blame your self. You want that other person to change, wake up you are a PC gamer.

This is console gaming.

[shazui123]

they really deserve it. They have become the gamers laughing stock of this generation. Has anyone not heard a crack at how nintendo appeals to only old people and infants? That is why their gaming systems are only for the casual. That and the fact that mario number 234 sell so well, despite its obvious shortcomings (story, pretty important really for a game with no online)
@ above. Im sorry, but youre list consists of games whose formula have not changed for more than 10 years. I also count 8 mario based games on there, doesnt help support your point...

Take that back, just saw this http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
Holy cr*p, was even worse than I thought, they've milked 168 mario games, 12 being on the wii. Wow. How anyone can keep a straight face and say they think mario is groundbreaking or the best game ever made is just lying to themselves.

[ZoidsRaven]

@ your post to Fierce Musashi:
That would actually support his point, showing that Nintendo has not abandoned their old fans. And by the way, Mario's gameplay mechanics has changed over the years. For example: Mario Galaxy. To call it the same as Sun Shine and 64 is ignorant. You should know this, shouldn't you?

@ your post to SpoonyRedMage:
That's the thing about Mario games. They are just regular games. It's not tryingto have a story (which hold no importance to gaming in the first place) like a movie. I believe Miyamoto explained why he didn't want online in NSMBWii, which is probably why most mario games don't have online. Online play doesn't always make a game good. As for graphics, when has that ever mattered in gaming? Seriously. 7_7

edit:
@ above:
You really want to fool yourself to believe Smash is a Mario game? LMFAO XD

[Seferoth75]

I find it amusing that you actually said that...

Mario is been in 128 games.. How can anyone say he is good...

How exactly do you get to be in 128 games and completely suck?

Let go of the hate dude. It only brings you down and honestly, only the uneducated hate blindly like you are doing.

BTW They deserve it because 12 year old fanboys make stupid and unrealistic jokes? That is so pathetic. LOL. No I'm not laughing with you. I'm laughing at you. When one of my friends ask me for an example of why I dont admit to being an HD fan I can pull up your post.

Oh and what does them not changing the formula prove? You are wrong of course but how does that prove Nintendo abandoned their hardcore supporters?

Take a 5 minute break.Maybe go get a juice box. Come back and read what is being said and then look at your response again.

Not only is it childish, it has nothing to do with whats being said

[SinnedNogara]

Graphics < Art Direction
Graphics < Gameplay

[lightningsax]

Are you talking about Galaxy 2 being more of the same? I think you have to play it to understand why it's awesome. Look, they don't reinvent the wheel every time, but Galaxy 2 is one of those games that improves on a great formula and blows it up for all it's worth.

The important thing about SMG2 isn't that you're doing something new; the important thing is you're doing something that varies greatly and yet stays intuitive and fun. A bit like expanding the old WarioWare concept. It's much less about a change in function and much more about a change in structure.

That, and the friggin' soundtrack. Yeah.

I do understand what you're trying to say, but you shouldn't be worried about Mario. You should be worried about Wii Music. In fact, don't worry at all, it's okay.

[Fierce Musashi]

Shazui: "Im sorry, but youre list consists of games whose formula have not changed for more than 10 years. I also count 8 mario based games on there, doesnt help support your point..."

Interesting. Looks like you've chose to go after and pick on mainly Mario in some lame attempt to try and disprove my point that Nintendo hasn't abandoned their old audience. Sad thing is.... it got you nowhere. What about the other games on my list? Hm? The fact still remains: Nintendo are giving us more core games than they are casual. Deal with it or leave. And please, oh please, do not use the stupid new IP arguement. That is no longer valid if it ever was at all. Only ignorant people still us that........ *chuckle* Oh, I forgot. Nintendo has teamed up with Monolith Soft and Mist Walker Studios to bring in two new games, which are the last 2 games on my list.

Back to Mario. Let me start off my saying Super Smash Brother Brawl >>>is not<<< a Mario game. I have no idea why it is listed as a Mario game when he isn't even the main character. Mario's role is basically the same as Link, Yoshi, Kirby & Pit story wise. Other than that, he is just a fighter like the rest of the cast. Kirby has a better chance of being the main character in that game, which is funny because the same guy who created Kirby created Smash Brothers.

How do those games not support my point exactlly when they are well-received as good to Game of the Year quality despite their unchanged formula? Oh! Oh! I can answer that. Because they are not the same game. You see, even though their formula is somewhat unchanged that doesn't mean the actual games haven't. Things like new levels, level designs, power ups, etc. change the way the game play is and the experience that is given to player. And I'll go back to bring this point up again: How do they not support my point if they are still good games?

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Lightningsax: Third parties? This isn't about third parties. You've came to the wrong argument, mate. I was simply listing the "casual" and "core" games that Nintendo were/are backing. I was merely proving a point.

[sikbeta]

@HOSe

I'm with you, Long life to the Gamecube, It PWNS the wii in so many ways

*GC Platinum Owner*

[lightningsax]

You know, we old people used to complain about the Gamecube being for kids compared to the PS2 and Xbox. Now we wish we could have something as awesome as Eternal Darkness on any system!

[tunaks1]

love how childish the other companies are acted,
and blur,
"race like a big boy, rated E10"
FAIL

[NYC_Gamer]

yeah lets pick on Nintendo because they tried something differnt and its paying off.....

[Lord Gunchrote]

Lol Nintendo should be picked on for pimping mario for almost 30 years. I'm happy their making it tho, cuz they seemed near dead with the Cube. Just enough Mario already...Galaxy 2 is good I know...but enuff! lol

[eggbert]

I like him as a character. He's been in a lot of games, but they are almost all good games. Would you rather they just replace Mario with a French plumber named Pierre or something?

[Kyosuke_Sanada]

Until Toad's Gender is confirmed, there is no ending for Mario in sight...but people need to learn that it is never good to bite the hand that feeds you or in this case, gave you an identity. Nintendo pretty much paved the way to where we are now..flame wars, sleepless nights and waggle but I wouldnt change it any other way unless Pierre truly is created lol.

[Chopkilla]

what kind of confirmation? having a game where there is toad and toadette. I'm pretty sure it confirms that toad is male

[Kyosuke_Sanada]

Lol the Sega Genesis advertisement really brings back memories but the Lynx actually took a shot against the Gameboy. Ouch!

[ThatArtGuy]

The Lynx absolutely destroyed the Game Boy. It's downfall was the battery use. 6 AA's for 30 minutes. You had to use a lighter connector or the wall adapter. The system had full 16 bit color, 8 player networking, and could be used by both right and left dominant people? Totally obliterated the Game Boy.

[Aphe]

Yeah it obliterated the game boy for 30 mins. Then the batteries run out and I played the gameboy for the rest of my 9 hour flight.

Point being the battery life was a killer, no matter how great the graphics the fact that it cost a fortune in batteries for gaming on the move was a disaster.

Plus there were only a couple of decent games for the Lynx.

[Lord Gunchrote]

I love nintendo btw...i thought I should say that cuz my last comment was kinda mean lol. they are #1 so its doesnt matter. thats why they get grilled. haha.

[Lord Gunchrote]

a french guy named pierre sounds refreshing at the moment lol

[mirroredderorrim]

I liked Mario more before he had a voice.

[ThatArtGuy]

That's *exactly* how I imagined his voice would sound like when I first saw him the arcade version of DK.

[dizzleK]

and i suppose kotaku has NEVER taken part in that brand of juvenile rhetoric, huh? s/

[eagle21]

Nintendo > Sony > Microsoft. This will be the case for years to come, until then.... shut up. :)

[Atelierrorona9]

if you made fun of nintendo in my face i would slap you so hard spit would come out of your mouth along with blood..

[shayol33t]

So because someone "made fun of" Nintendo infront of you, you would use violence on them? For what purpose?

[asdr3wsfas]

"You play a console for children and old women."

*bitchslap*

*spitting blood*

That'd be hilarious.

[shayol33t]

Oh even better, in an Inbox message "i sure would
if you got under my skip good enough i would lay one right on your face i don't take bullshit from little kids like you"

Im still at loss to the cause of this random hostility, I never mentioned anywhere in my post (or anything matter of fact) that I did not like Nintendo.

Nevertheless, Lulz.

[tiamat5]

I will get a million disagres for saying this but Nintendo with all it's earnings and so called glory, is still a joke.No company who is trying to make an epic game looks to Nintendo. Most of their high profit games are made by them and brought by people who still can't see that there beloved games have been milked dry and are devoid of any depth or life. No one compares their games to PS3 or Xbox 360 games and are only judged by low Nintendo standards. Their games hardly win awards or GOTY even though everyone claim their games are perfect.Unless their games are either cel shaded or look like a rainbow vomited they still are ugly,glitchy and flat. That said I as a former Nintendo fan, I am heart broken to see Nintendo becoming the most greedy,empty, uninspiring excuse for a company in the history of the world.

[Seferoth75]

Bitter much?

Yeah former Nintendo fan.. Like we didnt notice you doing nothing but trolling since you got here..

Most of us know you are just an upset Sony fan. Being ignorant of Nintendo and their past kinda proves it.
Let's take a look at some of the uninformed statements you made.

" No company who is trying to make an epic game looks to Nintendo." Sure kid. They are called Move and Natal.. Oh but nobody copies Nintendo. lol

"Most of their high profit games are made by them." AS are most of Sony's. The only one you really cant say that about is MS but your comment is based off of ignorance and hate. Common sense would tell anyone that a company who makes the game and gets all the profits will make more than getting some royalties off of a game.

"Their games hardly win awards or GOTY even though everyone claim their games are perfect" Their last GOTY was SMG. What was Sonys before Uncharted 2 last year? Nintendo has some of the highest rated games ever.

Also please show some examples of people claiming their games are perfect?

I think this will end it here. I owned you enough.

Console games are ALWAYS rated based on the other games on that console. This is common knowledge to ANY old school gamer.

If you are what you claim to be, how can you not know this?

The worst thing about you Sony trolls is, you cant even be bothered to get a clue what you are talking about before you run your mouth. You seriously think your opinion is fact and can be used as such.

The only people that will take you seriously are the other trolls and morons.

[Atelierrorona9]

i have a ps3 wii dsi xl and psp all great systems the only joke out there is the xbox as long as dev's keeps offering me harvest moon rune factory tatsunoko vs capcom and super swing golf and phantom brave and the final fantasy crystal cronicles series i wouldn't give a damn what anyone says about nintendo each game i listed are good games and better games even then halo..

[Atelierrorona9]

just because halo sells doesn't mean a goddamn fucking thing except ms wants money in there goddamn pocket i had way much more fun with harvest moon and rune factory every halo that comes out its the same goddamn game thats not worth the HYPE i swear alot of people are so blinded by this halo shit..

[asdr3wsfas]

Now posters on the internet are hired to make fun of Nintendo. Viral marketing - how times change!

The comments in this thread are a huge patchwork of fail. Mario needs a story, rofl. We're sick of Mario, but we count his racing games and his 2d platformers and his 3d platformers and his sports games all as "Mario."

That's like saying Halo Wars is a Halo game. Most morons here would never realize Bungie made real-time tactics games and FPS before being bought by MS (Myth and Marathon) and just label it all Halo. But 6 COD games in 2 generations is hardly enough. Others complain about high scoring Nintendo reviews because games lack online or editors. As if you can quantify fun with a list of features.

Meanwhile I just beat DAO and halfway through awakenings. I'm learning Cammy's FADC in SSF4. Yet I have time for MH3. And when SMG2 comes from Amazon I'm putting all that shit down and beating it immediately.

Go buy Sin and Punishment 2 and tell me Nintendo sucks. Like half the people here even played a Treasure shooter. Nintendo has brought back 2d platformers, Mario Kart in the SNES arcade gameplay style, hired Treasure to make a sequel to one of the best shmups ever, and is doing a spiritual successor to xenogears.

They're keeping the hardcore from a decade ago alive. There's room for all these games but some people can't separate their emotions from a system (or at least are paid to act like that online).

[EvilTwin]

I seriously wonder how many viral posters are on here. Some of this stuff is just too foolish, even for rabid fanboys. But who the heck are they preaching to? Thinking they're going to win over people who own other consoles by...insulting those consoles?

Anyways...Nintendo is going to murder my wallet this summer. I haven't bought Galaxy 2 yet, but I will. S&P2 may not be day one, but I'll certainly get it. Then there's Other M...

[Gr81]

Its hard to bear some times. Simply because of how ridiculous it all is. Back in the day (SNES days lol) I remember gamers used to talk about what games were better for the time, not rooting for certain companies. I was an SNES guy, but my neighbor had Genesis and we'd play Sonic 2 all day! or Streets of Rage or altered beast. And on SNES we had Super Metroid, DKC, Super Street Fighter 2 house tournaments haha, good times.

That's why Wii is so popular and in a league by itself right now. And motion controls from competitors aint gonna change that. Reason being that SOFTWARE is what sold the Wii, Motion controls was just a means to the end. Wii has the best local Multiplayer games on the market it is a social gaming console, much like the NES (and N64 to a much lesser extent, but GE and the Wrestling games were awesome)

I find it laughable that people 'pros' can actually have the audacity to mock the company that singlehandedly shaped console gaming as we've known it and is doing it again! That's like MJ three peating the second time haha.

Anyone with an ounce of knowledge of video game history can and should do nothing but respect what Nintendo has meant to gaming. The companies that sprouted around as a result of the NES that are still with us today making games owe some bit of credit to the Big N.

Understand, even when they are not the market leader they are leading the way, that is the trait of a true innovator. If people would open their eyes and view things as objectively as they can, they'd appreciate instead of hate.

[ElementX]

I like Nintendo, but those commercials are funny!

[tiamat5]

Seferoth75 you can talk and talk until the sun dies out. I am not a bitter Sony fan. I am bitter to see Nintendo become repetative and boring. I cut Nintendo loose because I saw what was becoming. Nintendo used to be a company that was inovative, ready to take risks. Now it is stagnent, stuck in one place,. SMG2 doesn't push any bonderies. It's the same game with Yoshi in it. I am not telling you to play the Wii but let me have my opinion okay. As a former Nintendo fanboy i am entitled to that much a least

[Voyevoda]

lol

[Gun_Senshi]

Gamecube rocks

Wii sucks..

[Gr81]

70m+ consoles and still selling, vs a 20m sold (lifetime) console..I'd wager you're in the minority on that one pal.