Gizmondo: Project Natal Won E3, and Maybe the Motion Control Wars

Mark Wilson: "Wii MotionPlus will make the Wii better. Sony's very impressive motion control demo will be better than Wii MotionPlus. But Microsoft stole E3 and may have already won the motion control wars with the announcement of Project Natal."

[Stryfeno2]

Project Natal is a beast...MS take your time to do it right.

[talltony]

WHA BAM! WHA BAM! WHA BAM! WHA BAM! WHA BAM!WHA BAM! WHA BAM! WHA BAM! WHA BAM! WHA BAM! WHA BAM!WHA BAM!WHA BAM! WHA BAM! WHA BAM! WHA BAM! WHA BAM!WHA BAM!WHA BAM! WHA BAM! WHA BAM! WHA BAM! WHA BAM!WHA BAM!WHA BAM! WHA BAM! WHA BAM! WHA BAM! WHA BAM!WHA BAM!

[-MD-]

It's actually "well bam!" not wha bam.

Are you a mexican?

[talltony]

I know he says "well Bam" but if you listen to the remix of him saying it. It sounds like "Wha BAM"

[-MD-]

Why do you play multiplats on your 360 if you hate it so much?

[talltony]

But for your information I only have friends that own a 360 and also I always look to see which multiplat version is better before I buy it. I have bought all my games this year on ps3 Because every thing I bought has been better on ps3 this year especially the exclusives!.

[-MD-]

The fact that you troll 360 threads bashing the 360 sorta gave me a hint... I have yet to play a PS3 game this year (save FF7,Resident Evil)

[talltony]

Why can't I be neutral to both sony and microsoft??? So because I look at all the news on this site you think I am bashing? Dude I own all systems so I can be sarcastic about any of them and I can stick up for any which one I please. Something you could probably never do.

[Tr10wn]

Looks like MGOelite is really hurt by Project Natal, BTW Milo is an interactive game... is a game after all

[PistolPumptMonk]

Project Natal seems kind of cool as a tech demo but seems almost completely useless to me in the video game world. If the day comes when I have to wave my arms around, stick my legs out, and jump all over my living room to play my favorite franchises, I am done gaming.

But my real question is this. Who is this appealing to in the 360 userbase? The vast majority of 360 users are "hardcore" (for lack of a better word) gamers who probably won't be willing to drop the money for something like this. People who would buy their kids presents already have an image for the 360 in their mind and this probably won't change even with Natal.

My point is, if people are really interested in this type of gaming (which I'm not but judging by the Wii it is apparent many are), then they probably already own a Wii and won't be willing to spend the money for another console just for something like Natal. I just don't see how it could possibly be successful with the userbase the 360 has created and the saturation of the casual market by the Wii.

[- Ghost of Sparta -]

http://www.n4g.com/events_e...

If motion-controlled gaming is what the future holds for me, then I won't be gaming in the future.

[qface64]

im sorry but the thing i found the stupid based of the tittle alone was
"maybe the motion control wars"
seriously? are they serious? i hope they don't mean in sales or anything like that?

haven't read it yet im just not sure if i should even bother is it a normal article or is it just like all the others that have already been posted?

[Rigmaster]

"It's easy to impress stupid people."

In this case it's more a case of easily impressing desperate people.

If you would have gone back three years ago and posted that all Microsoft had to hype from their E3 2009 show was EyeToy style motion controls you would have been laughed at as a stupid troll.

What else is there to hype from Microsoft's E3? Crackdown 2? The fake Metal Gear game that Kojima has disowned and has nothing to do with is too embarrassing to even talk about anymore.

[Genesis5]

Whatever. I can't wait until it's finished and it turns out to be not as big a deal as these 5000 articles in the last 2 days are making it out to be.

By the time they ever get it out Sony and Nintendo will already be on to something else.

[cmrbe]

The casuals offcourse. However MS is greatly mistaken if they think this will enable them to compete with the wii for the casual market because.

1. This natal tech will not come standard with the x360.
2. Its going to be expensive.
3. Its 2 years late.

For all the hoopla about Natal. It will end up just like the PS EYE last gen.

[lokiroo420]

Seriously, there is a reason why nintendo passed this up, M$ taking sloppy seconds once again.

[iamtehpwn]

You're probably still impressed with Lava Lamps or Nintendo Wii.

At least the wiimote can be used for more traditional games (Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy, Metriod Prime), I have no idea how Natal could be practically used for traditional games.

[original seed]

all the Sony Fanboys wine. Keep it up, It makes me smile :)

[JokesOnYou]

"Natal Would Be Too Good To Be True...In Nintendo or Sony's Hands
Other companies could (and have) made infrared body-tracking cameras. Why are we so confident in Natal? Aside from our positive hands-on experience, Natal has Microsoft middleware/dev tools behind it. Where few third parties have wielded the Wiimote with as much finesse as Nintendo, and Sony is traditionally mute on how companies can unlock the power of their complicated hardware architecture, Microsoft launches Xbox products with the software necessary to make them work. Oh, and Microsoft is approaching Natal with 100% earnestness, calling the platform "the endgame." Sony's motion control, according to Sony, is less important." -Gizmodo
http://gizmodo.com/5280496/...

Yep, yet another "positive hands-on experience". Those evil micro-bastards have paid off yet another site.

I think he's right because sony had some pontential with PSEye but never explored it further, Nintendo just wants to bring light-hearted casual games for the masses,(nothing wrong with that) micro is looking for that game changer to differentiate itself for more reasons than just their online service. Maybe this isn't it but it will be interesting to watch.

Poster #1
PistolPumptMonk 4 days 5 hours ago

"Overall I thought this conference was pretty terrible from my standpoint, that of a gamer who enjoys amazing games. I'm not interested in using my body as a controller, I actually really enjoy games with controllers. Also the thing with Milo seems cool from a tech standpoint but seems to defeat the purpose of real life."

-And yet again he's here in another NEWS THREAD ABOUT NATAL, my question to you and all the sony loyalist above is why do you keep coming back when you yourself have said "I'm not interested" ??? lol, hey maybe you could post 10 more articles about Kojima's teaser site and have a long discussions about what it means. lmfao

JOY

[lokiroo420]

NATAL MAKES 360 OWNERS HAPPY!

[beans]

"Who is this appealing to in the 360 userbase?

Ok...yes we know natal is on 360, but don't think for one second that it only appeals to 360 gamers. This device is for anyone (or gamers)who wants to jump in and try out the newest most revolutionary tech for gaming ever. Just ask your self what your response would of been if Sony were the ones to announced Natal. For the life of me I can't understand why some of you just can't get past the fanboy crap.

"My point is, if people are really interested in this type of gaming (which I'm not but judging by the Wii it is apparent many are), then they probably already own a Wii and won't be willing to spend the money for another console just for something like Natal."

The Wii and Natal are two totally different ways of playing games. If you think the wiimote is on the same level as Natal then you fail big time and just don't get it. Quit with the downplay seriously and give props were it's due.

edit below really duh: There just going to ignore those vids lol. funny how they work

[really duh]

Natal is #1 rated on XBL its the most popular E3 video.

All these anti Microsoft articles coming out of the woodwork suggest folks are all hot and bothered by Microsoft's E3 not just because Natal but because the 360 had shown games not to mention ones that prove the 360 isn't close to being maxed out.
http://www.gamersyde.com/st...
http://www.gamersyde.com/st...
http://www.gamersyde.com/st...

[el zorro]

Natal was the best of the show. If these fanbabies think they are going to change most people's opinion by crying and making up ridiculous and transparently desperate excuses of why Microsoft didn't have the best E3 they have another thing coming. I don't normally talk like that towards people, but PS3 fanboys should be ashamed of themselves. Most people read the ridiculous stuff they write and just shake their heads.

Mass Effect 2 is looking so good. The graphics are improved from the first one and the combat is a lot smoother and there are a lot of new gameplay features and weapons. Mass Effect 2 and Alan Wake also show that the 360 has plenty under the hood and personally look better than all games on the PS3 except for Uncharted 2 which looks just as good.

[RememberThe357]

MS didn't show how Natal could be applied to the hardcore audience.

Sony showed them using the new controller in first person, controlling an RTS, and literally fighting on screen. Like the guy demonstrating said, sometimes you need a controller to do certain things that gamers want to do. He picked things up in the environment and was in complete control of them. Natal didn't demonstrate this type of interaction. Kicking balls and talking to a kids was pretty cool, but I can't see how that could be applied to the kinds of games I want to play. Sony's new controller was showed in ways it could be applied to the games I enjoy playing.

[PistolPumptMonk]

Actually I just like being involved in current gaming news, even if I think it is something that isn't going to be that great. I never said Natal wasn't interesting, its interesting how much people act like it is the best thing since sliced bread.

The reason I am in this threads is because commenting early allows more people to see my comments. This means that more people will respond to what I think, allowing me to continue the discussion before the thread dies in a few hours. I thought you had been on N4G long enough to understand something simple like that.

I had a long week at work and I'm too tired to play more games so I would rather see whats going on on N4G. People like talking about hot topics, even if it is just to say they don't like them. Is that really so hard to understand my friend?

EDIT: @beans
I don't care if you believe me or not but if Sony had announced Natal I would be just as skeptical. They didn't show how it could be applied to hardcore games that I enjoy in any way. It has nothing to do with who announced it.

[morganfell]

As I said elsewhere, I am not saying it is fake. I am saying it looks fake. Want a demo similar to project Natal? Watch some cheerleaders on TV. As they wave their hands around try and mimic their movements. No matter how good you are you will lag. That is what Natal looks like. People can deny that if they want but they are kidding themselves. Watch here hands move in directions the image doesn't and vice versa. Zero precision.

The fish? Look at Sony's demo from last year. The game recognized a fish, made it into a tank and you could drive it around. Hardly proof from MS. For all we know all it took was for a white reflective surface to be pushed in front of the lens and it generates a fish. She likely could have drawn a square on there and it would come up fish.

No real time demo equals highly suspect. Especially considering the sloppy nature of the demo's ability to mimic her movements.

[WAR_MACHINE77]

It's a new take on the eyetoy. How the hell does that mean MS had the best show? I had high hopes for the show this year and all I got was twitter, facebook, and camera that was made to grab a demographic that has long since passed the 360 up. I'm not saying sony's new motion deal is any better in fact I think both are stupid. I watched the show hoping for games and for the most part only sony delivered.

[Information Minister]

If a company (ANY COMPANY) won E3 with motion controls alone, then it's a very sad day for gamers.

I will never EVER play a racing game with an imaginary steering wheel instead of a real one, waving my arms around in thin air looking like an idiot.

[beans]

Ok that's the reply I've been looking for, and trust me I believe you. I'm a very skeptical myself and need proof that Natal can actually work well with hardcore games and not just casual. What get's me excited are the possibilities and not the platforms or whatever else. This to me is just a step in the right direction for the possible Virtual reality days ahead. I guess until they show us what it can actually do where all going to be skeptics which is perfectly fine. Some of the hate on this site is just ridiculous though, but at the same time ok because really everybody just wants to see proof. The one thing that's promising is the fact it's getting a lot of good press from those that have actually seen it.

Edit joy: Thanks to natal I can beat you to it lol.

Edit above information minister: I'm sure the games they make for hardcore's won't consist of make you look like a total dumbA$$ lol.

So if Natal lives up to the hype will you have a change of heart?

[JokesOnYou]

Point taken. However if you're going to be strictly negative on the subject why bother?, don't you think thats sounds sort of like a negative way to be involved in what should otherewise be a positive discussion, bring legit questions/concerns and less negativity and the whole discussion will be better off for it.

JOY

edit: Beans, are you trying to read my mind?

[el zorro]

@War_Machine

They also had a whole bunch of cool games. Not to mention several big surprises. The ps3 show from Sony was pretty good too but hardly anything surprised me and the stuff that did surprise me doesn't really interest me (for example Final Fantasy MMO). GoW3 is cool but I already had seen stuff from that game. The only thing is we got to see more this time, which don't get me wrong is pretty nice but still didn't have the umpf that some of Microsoft's games had.
I know a lot of this is going to come down to opinion, but there is no doubt that the majority thought Microsoft had a better E3 conference, as proven by polls and the impressions published by all the gaming sites. You can have a different opinion but it is in really bad taste to constantly talk trash and try to downplay everything and insult the majority who thought Microsoft's was better. That is all.

[PistolPumptMonk]

Alright guys I see your point and I'm glad we can discuss this without acting like two year olds. However, the concerns I have with Natal are by nature somewhat negative and I apologize if they come off that way but that is just how I feel about the whole thing.

You have to understand that I am starting to feel outdated as a gamer. I am interested in great games, great stories, deep gameplay. I am not quite so interested in tech such as that shown in Microsoft's conference because I fail to see how this tech can be applied to games I care about. This is partly their fault as well for not addressing these concerns in any way. I am also not that interested in the tech shown at Sony's conference, I just don't care much for any of that stuff.

I was a HUGE nintendo fan before this generation. The Wii has been a complete letdown to me due to the gimicky controls taking center stage. Why would I be excited about more tech that is clearly not aimed at a target audience such as myself? I just want less limb waving and more great games. I'm used to seeing games progress in a way that I appreciate and anticipate. Motion control is the first time that this industry has taken a turn for what I feel to be the worse.

Having said all of that, I will try not to show my PS3 bias in a completely negative way from now on and I will attempt to add to the conversation with constructive criticism instead of just criticism. Maybe we can set an example for all the extremist fanboys out there.

[JokesOnYou]

I wish n4g community was more like this, but admittedly I'm not even close to being innocent when it comes to adding fuel to the fire. I have my reasons/excuses but I'll save them for another day/thread. lol

JOY

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Ever since E3 there have been lots of jealousy from the Sony side, Nintendo fans just say "cool" and its over. Natal is getting alot of buzz and press, its on CNN, Late Night talk shows, all over the net, and just about every news outlet has somthing positive to say about it. The buzz arount Natal has taken center stage on the world arena and so has the hate from the Sony camp. So keep up that hate Sony fans because you are helping create more hype and news for Natal. Its allmost like you guys are helping MS and Natal, keep up the good work :)

[el zorro]

Yeah, in terms of buzz it definitely was the biggest thing at E3. Just take a look at this 'buzz study' http://infegy.com/buzzstudy...

No doubt though for me the best part of Microsofts press conference were the games. They showed more games that I want than any other company (well and I don't own a Wii anyway) and they also showed more actual gameplay.

I just think that Microsoft won on multiple levels. In terms of buzz, in terms of games, in terms of exciting new features to expand the 360's capabilities, in terms of surprise announcements, in terms of star guest appearances and in just overall presentation I thought Microsoft did the best. Sony had a really good show this year as well and E3 was really great in general. Even Nintendo had a better presentation than last year.

[Tru_Ray]

Here are some reasons why Project Natal is not a Landmark development:

1. Playstation did the same thing last generation with EyeToy;
2. Nintendo has already captured the majority of the casual market;
3. The current 360 user base couldn't care less about motion controls or creepy child companion simulators (what are they going to do now? Ask Master Chief what outfit they should wear?);
4. The motion control is not as precise as the Playstation motion controller. Fact;
5. The Milo demonstration was completely scripted (and eerie as well);
6. When I play video games, I do not want to flail my arms round like a douche bag playing some 3D breakout game;
7. Steven Spielberg should not be relied upon to validate a product for industry that he has limited experience in;

I am also getting sick and tired of hearing that Microsoft "won" E3 because Project Natal.

Here is a thought: E3 is the ultimate litmus test.

If you are a fan of Sony's platforms you are going to vehemently believe that Sony won E3.

If you are a fan of XBOX 360 you are going to think that Microsoft won E3.

In the end, gamers lose because the fanboy era is perpetuated.

[All-3]

Head Tracking for Desktop VR Displays using the WiiRemote:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Now - try and imagine what Natal could do.

[Cerberus_Hunter]

http://www.vimeo.com/495262...

from neogaf

[DelbertGrady]

Lol @ all the jealous PS3 trolls. All you got was a motion penis that didn't function properly.

[really duh]

Sorry I posted two of the same Mass Effect 2 videos my copy and pasting sometimes doesn't register.

http://www.eurogamer.pt/vid...

[Sarcasm]

"try out the newest most revolutionary tech for gaming ever"

lol

just lol

I could have sworn these same people called the PS Eye a gimmick, Sixaxis a Gimmick, The Nintendo Wii a gimmick.

Now that MS releases... scratch that... they didn't release anything, they showed pre-rendered videos of this tech. all of a sudden it's the 'newest most revolutionary tech for gaming EvARRRRR'

You guys are hopeless. I have friends that are 360 gamers, and they just love to play the games. They don't bash on PS3 or Sony or anything else for that matter, because why? They're true gamers. They bought a 360 to game. But you guys? You don't actually play games. You're just part of MS's free propaganda to stupify the consumers even further. The Ironic part, is that the only stupid people are the 360 fanboys.

[R2D2]

if the Sony dildo comes in other colors, she is not a purple fan.

[Sonyslave3]

LOL yall ps3 only owners look upset.

[- Ghost of Sparta -]

Yeah we do. http://www.n4g.com/events_e...

[PistolPumptMonk]

We're upset that we only have 349/350 shards in Infamous. That last one can be tricky.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

@3.2: You're doing better than me. I have like 5 more to find and damn it's as frustrating as the Orbs in Crackdown.

haha, I'm almost tempted to go look at a guide.

Funny post and good timing.

[qface64]

dang 349/350 im not even no where close to that

[PistolPumptMonk]

Well just so you guys know, there is one shard in the NE corner of the Neon district right of the shore of a dock and it is impossible to see with the radar from the shoreline. That was my last one, just make sure you grab that one and the rest shouldn't be too bad.

Sorry for the supreme off-topicness. ;)

[really duh]

Yes they are they're trying their best to knock it more than anything I can remember in the history of this generation.

[thereapersson]

Of course, being an extremist 360 fanboy such as yourself, you would naturally ignore all the sh1t your monkey-ass 360 compatriots flung towards the PS3 in the first few years of its lifespan. The crap Natal is receiving pales in comparison.

[PistolPumptMonk]

+bubbles for the best and most truthful post I've seen in years.

[really duh]

Thats a bold claim coming from a known PS3 fanboy in "this 360 article" trolling.

@PistolPumptMonk You're giving him a bubble because a 360 fan is pointing out these E3 360 articles are filled with PS3 fanboy trolls? Your fanboy #1 comment is so ignorant only a PS3 fanboy could agree with it. Obviously Microsoft was trying to sell the tech "AT E3" to the massive casual market and not just the current Hardcore gamers in the base.

Who are you trying to convince that this is a bad idea wasting all your bubbles doing so? This site a PS3 fanboys site.

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

Sonys can do more....but ms is more advance thinking

[kewlkat007]

but he actually cautions about it's success and says, like most have been saying, Nintendo and Sony are in a better position to cash in.

Which, I think is correct if done right but MS while a little more advance have their work cut out for them or should I say, Devs.

[iDystopia]

:D

[Zhuk]

E3 2009 will be remembered throughout history as the great turning point in gaming and the unstoppable rise of the Xbox 360 as the ultimate home entertainment device of all time.

With so many acclaimed AAA titles coming out these holidays and 2010 exclusive to Xbox 360, with all the hottest multiplatform titles looking and playing best on Xbox 360 and with Xbox 360's domination to continue into the future with Project Natal, it is safe to say that the PS3 is as good as dead.

The PS3 has been made to look painstakingly outdated and last gen by the Xbox 360. Through the magic of software Xbox 360 has accomplished far more than the PS3 could ever hope to accomplish, and the Xbox 360 has grown in so many ways that it truly is the ultimate home entertainment ecosystem this generation.

Xbox 360 and Xbox LIVE have been the driving force of innovation and content this decade, with Project Natal this looks set to continue with a device that will change our world forever.

[qface64]

wanna know what surprised me the most from everything you said

the fact that i actually read it .___.

[MGOelite]

... all that crap...

project natal is useless for gaming, it will never overtake a controllere

[iDystopia]

No one said it will overtake the controller 110%.

You think the MLG guys are gonna be playing Halo Reach on Natal in 2 years? Get real.

But it seems Microsft is making some really cool material...Lionhead, Epic, Steven Speilberg is making Natal games, Bungie...all making Natal games. It's a different way to game. You won't be playing Gears of War on it...maybe you can, but it won't be the only way.

[MGOelite]

You think the MLG guys are gonna be playing Halo Reach on Natal in 2 years? Get real.

not me the bots do ffs. all this crap like its gonna replace the controller and is the and its the single most important inovation this gaming generation

[iDystopia]

No one has even mention playing the big 360 shooters on Natal.

Natal just might be the next wave of some new form of gaming....it looks better for interaction than anything else....not precision.

It will have new games like Milo and everything else Microsoft is secretly brewing right now.

[MGOelite]

milo isnt a game lol what the hell are you surposed to do? all games HAVE TO have a total end and some sort of means to be good at the game weather its a high score, reach the end, finish all quests ect.

what the hell are you surposed to do with milo? talk talk talk talk go to a new location ect.

if you disagree please tell me why

[iDystopia]

Durrr lets act stupid because we're scared about Micro kicking Sony's arse 24/7.

Obviously we don't know what the real Milo game will be like, or all the other games developers are working on, we'll have to wait and see! durrrrrrrrrr

Going to be better and more successful than Sony's Dildo remote everyone is laughing at. We know that much.

[MGOelite]

wtf is your problem you dirty little fanboy

i lol at all you scum thinking you will be tripping over all the great games for natal lol

besides party games what else is their

[el zorro]

Natal can be used in so many ways and you'll be surprised what the devs come up with.

It's just exciting tech that shows so many possibilities. How can any true gamer not be excited for it.

It doesn't mean it is going to completely redo everything about games. No, it just means that games will have a lot more possibilities to work with.

Halo Reach might not use any of the motion controlling or body scanning aspects for most gameplay mechanics but I can see it utilizing some gesturing and voice recognition.

We'll see. Obviously it won't be ideal for everything, but you have to be blind not to see the huge value of this new tech.

[lloyd_wonder]

meh. Didn't interest my little sister...

[DelbertGrady]

Perhaps she's more interested in Sonys penis controller?

[PopEmUp]

So true LMFAO

[qface64]

is it just me but i started to notice that articles like these get approved in like seconds to minutes while the other ones take forever at times?
wow

[ultimolu]

I guess whoever is approving these want us to bow down and say that Microsoft are gods and we are inferior beings.

Natal has potential but Microsoft didn't invent light. Seriously. -.-

[HuGi]

Thats it.

[SKUD]

Motion control's FTL!, take yo ass outside instead if your gonna wave your arms around like a fool!.

[iDystopia]

Dude its just something new and cool...Milo and Kate will be awesome.

You won't be FORCED to play Gears/Mass Effect/Halo with Natal, lets get real. You might not even be able to use it in those games if u want too, nobody is talking about playing the hardcore games on it.

Microsoft is making new material for it. Maybe play some racing games on it. It's not like Microsoft is going to kill the 360 controller and MLG Pro's will be playing with Natal. LMFAO

[ChozenWoan]

"Motion control's FTL!, take yo ass outside instead if your gonna wave your arms around like a fool!."

Nah, the club is better. Plus there is beer... opps most people here are under age... NM!

[Kugar77]

gizmodo is the website, gizmondo is a POS handheld

[joevfx]

the only reason the Natal is going to sell well is cause of microsfot advertising. they are goann make you feel like u NEED it. peopel wil buy it use it for a week then it will collect dust. and u will find thousands of used ones at your local gamestop.

even better i hope microsoft releases it early to try to get ahead of the playstation motion like they did with the 360 , and then the natal has the RROD fever LOL.

[ballsofsteel]

i have no idea why so many people are hyping this so much when we haven't seen a real game working well with this. even in the burnout paradise demo people were saying that the gas pedal was either fully pressed or not pressed at all which shows a big potential problem as natal can't recognize minute differences in pressure like a trigger would. natal might work but right now i don't you should think that based of the little we know

[vox]

kind of premature to make this call, eh?
it's going to be expensive
and without a controller, it's not going to be used for anything outside of arcade games

[MGOelite]

ur the only person who makes sence on this article

[ChozenWoan]

Actually the Arcade Rail Shooters will play better on the PS3... actually all the mature arcade games, But it can do carny games...

[chavafx]

1 ps3 is 399 right xbox360 is 199 on ps3 you need the di-ldo light stick + ps3 eye camera wich will be no less then $70 so we are taking about 530$ ps3 wit tax good luck on the casual appel dear sony fan boys and thats only one dild-o light stick vs natal is 100 + 199 360
299 with no need for extra controllers

[silverchode]

+online, wifi, hard drive but real games dont need those. xD

[chavafx]

1
ps3 is 399 right xbox360 is 199 on ps3 you need the di-ldo light stick + ps3 eye camera wich will be no less then $70 so we are taking about 530$ ps3 wit tax good luck on the casual appel dear sony fan boys and thats only one dild-o light stick vs natal is 100 + 199 360
299 with no need for extra controllers

[Myth-Psn]

This natal motion controller is a joke, it takes the controller away la eyetoy (ps2 tech) to leave something that will only work with few tacked on games, oh lest we forget the "game" Mylo(lol,game more like child for the childless) that was not only to powerful to run on a single 360, but a man was controlling the ai of the "marvel" that is Mylo meters away....

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Another article stating the excellence of Natal and Microsoft's presentation at e3. Nothing new here.

[PistolPumptMonk]

Agreed. Mass media sucking is nothing new.

[SaberEdge]

Get real. Most of these journalists are far, far more impartial than all the ridiculous PS3 fanboys on this site.

Spin it PS3 fanboys, spin it.

You can hate on the 360 all you want, but it is a great console with some of the best games and you are only hurting yourself. I'll just enjoy both consoles, because they both have something to offer. I'm not going to stoop to your level and start hating on Sony just because I think much of their fanbase are morons.

[fuckoffodion]

I think much of your xbox loyalists fanbase are retarded. That's includes you, you huge FANBOY (emphasis added). seriously, look at the mirror and tell me what you see? Time's up! A huge 360 fanboy. Also, you're full of sh!t. Spin that for me. Oh you can't cause it's the truth.

[PistolPumptMonk]

HAHAHA calm down there SaberEdge so need to get all hostile on me. As for calling me a fanboy I think I'm going to have to stick by the saying, "takes one to know one." Just check out some of your previous posts.

Honestly though, I have nothing against the 360. I have lots of friends who have them and I enjoy some of their games every once in awhile.

But yeah, I prefer the PS3 and I think it is a much better gaming system than the 360. I think its kind of difficult not to think that if you own a PS3.

But do you really think the media doesn't suck sometimes? I don't care who they're attacking, look at half of the articles that make it to this site. They are garbage. That was my point anyway, before you turned it into some crazy fanboy bull.

EDIT: I think its funny how people like el zorro will talk about how people are acting without even referring to a specific instance, almost like they're just making it up. What do Sony fans have to be desperate about again?

[el zorro]

It's obvious the ps3 fanbase is desperate. At least the more radical among them...which is most of them on this site.

Seriously guys, you are only making yourselves look really foolish.

[fuckoffodion]

They like to blame others for a behavior they easily defend if the person they are defending agrees with their console of choice. You guys are pathetic.

[el zorro]

Please try to tell me that you see 360 fanboys bashing the media and calling foul every time things don't go their way nearly as much as the PS3 fanboys. You can't, because you know they don't do it nearly as often.
Ps3 fanbosy are constantly hating on anything and everything that doesn't agree with their vision of the mighty Ps3. A gaming site gives a Ps3 game a low score...bam, they are labeled as biased. Sony fans are also the ones who always turn it into some kind of attack directly at Microsoft, instead of just stating that they prefer what the PS3 offers. 360 fans tend not only to not spend a lot of time attacking Sony, but I see a lot of them actually saying good things about the PS3 and its games. Most Ps3 fans cannot bring themselves to do so towards the 360.
360 fans in general spend more time showing why they like what the 360 is offering them rather than attacking the competition. These tendencies are not universal, but they are very real. So no, fanboys are not exactly the same on all sides.
The irony is that I have seen a lot of your comments and you are a level 10 Ps3 fanboy but you still think you are somehow neutral. I admit I prefer the Xbox 360 but I can show you lots of comments since I been coming to this site that are really positive towards the Ps3. I have a Ps3 myself, but I just get tired of all the nonsense I am seeing on here since E3.

[fuckoffodion]

"Please try to tell me that you see 360 fanboys bashing the media and calling foul every time things don't go their way nearly as much as the PS3 fanboys. You can't, because you know they don't do it nearly as often."

Are you blind? Do you go to the threads and see your kind? I can't? PUHLEASE!! you 360 fanboys are the same and if you can't see that, then it shows how naive YOU are!

"Ps3 fanbosy are constantly hating on anything and everything that doesn't agree with their vision of the mighty Ps3. A gaming site gives a Ps3 game a low score...bam, they are labeled as biased. Sony fans are also the ones who always turn it into some kind of attack directly at Microsoft, instead of just stating that they prefer what the PS3 offers. 360 fans tend not only to not spend a lot of time attacking Sony, but I see a lot of them actually saying good things about the PS3 and its games. Most Ps3 fans cannot bring themselves to do so towards the 360"

Hey GENIUS! It goes Both ways!! Seriously, I find it hard to believe that you can't see that. I admit I favor the PS3 but if you think 360 fans are just saviors, then why don't you look at SaberEdge comments and tell me why he is so different than those PS3 fans that you're criticizing. Tell me? hmmm???? Oh you can't.

Typical fanboys. Blind

[koehler83]

MS certainly proved they've come a long way in terms of mind control.

[koehler83]

Motion. Motion control.

[ChozenWoan]

Prerecorded acting Vs rushed demo that works...

And the winner is....

...

MS for pulling an invisible rabbit out of it's hat! Yaaayyyy!

[chavafx]

thats why i already cant wait for thise and yes i have a wii and i rather take full body motion then one hand motion + face emotions voice ill pay $100 yes im in.. on ps3 u need camera ps3mote + more motes needed for sure cuz of multiplayer mini games/ boxing on 1 mote dont think so you youll be paying 150$

[MetalGearBear]

Natal + Xbox360= highly chance get RROD. (increased 35% to 50%)

[TH3 GAM3]

I guess I'm old fashion, I just want my controller. No Wiimote, no Playstation Wand, no Natal. The only time I will play a game without a controller is when virtual reality is use for gaming.

[Slinger420]

Funny how motion controls were considered a gimmick for the Wii but now it's the best revelation at E3??? You gotta be kidding me. How about Rockstar North's exclusive PS3 game, or the totally out of the blue Left4Dead 2 which is the sequel to the best MP game of 08??? The gaming community is full of fanboyism and this proves it.

[Socomer 1979]

Milo is for women who can't get pregnant.

Natal is just the pseye.

What's wrong with y'all?

The pseye has a built in mic.

Eye guess xbox gamers need a son thier mother can love.

I just buy a eyepet & pretend none of this just happened.
Omg. You guys are shameless. LOL!

Yes. I am afraid the world will buy this and ps3 is forced to pack it up leaving me no alternative to play real games.
This is scary sh1t.
How long do you guys think it will take for natal to die down?

Xbutts are fckn stupid. Seriously dumb.

You do realize that it's over don't you?
Xbutts don't have any games to talk about.
None. Not 1 360 game on the front page of any website.

Stretch xbutts. You're going to need practice for the next 5 years navigating thru facebook & twitter.
I'll just use my mouse & keyboard on the ps3 browser to use the same websites.

This is karma. Enjoy it.

[crydroidscry]

Aww, cry some moar, cry some moar!

[-MD-]

Honestly cry more.

[Says you]

Microcrap didn't kick Sony's but for sh1t! you moron! you think by copying the PSEye is revolutionary man you XBox 360 fans are a joke! and is it just me or are these articles about the Natal getting approved fast?!

[importfighter]

Sony has the PS3 EYE, and u can fight characters in the PS2 Camera!

Plus this MICROSOFT CAMERA SUCKED AT THE PRESENTATION

Sure the Trailers looked COOL< BUT THEY WERE FAKE >

The only console thats real= SONY

[chisox100]

Natal Is just the Playstation Eye two years late. and less responsive and not as good.

[donnie-2105]

project natel not only won e3 but will put ms in a position to dominate the future of games consoles.think its possibly too late for it to massively effect the 360 but next gen with the foundations in place they will dominate the market.

[keysy420]

natal sucks its a casual gamer gimmic its not for hardcore gamers

[keysy420]

zhuk project natal wont change gaming wtf are you talking about. project natal is a gimmic. you cant be serious and did you really say that the 360 exclusives were better that ps3 exclusives. the games on ps3 weve never even heard of vrs a bunch of hopefully revamped remakes. seriouls stop sucking m$ penis, think before you talk and come come over to the next gen console not some ps2.5 that 360 is

[el zorro]

It is a matter of opinion. In my opinion Ps3 fanboys hype Ps3 exclusives too much and they rarely end up being as good as they were hyped to be.

I would rather have Forza 3, Splinter Cell Conviction, Shadow Complex, Left4Dead 2 and Halo ODST any day over Uncharted 2, ratchet and clank, MAG and the few other so-so games coming out on the PS3 this year. Uncharted 2 is the only one that I think looks awesome. The other ones I really couldn't care less about. Except for maybe MAG if it turns out good. So far it doesn't look that great though.

A lot of the games I want are multiplatform games anyway and most of those will look better on the 360. I also like the 360 controller better and Xbox LIVE is much better than PSN in my opinion. So for a person like me, my 360 is going to be seeing a lot more action this year than my Ps3.

[Saaking]

I wasn't aware there was a "motion control war." Last time I checked it's just two products made to enhance user experience on each console.I'm impressed with Natal, but I think Sony's approach will be a bit easier and faster to implement. Microsoft will have to seriously rely on 3rd party developers to make content for Natal (Since MS only has like 4 studios). On the other hand Sony has 20+ studios and can dedicate some of them to making games that can be used with the motion controllers (such as Eyepet). I think Sony has more chances of have success with their tech, Microsoft will realize that buttons are needed and some sort of controller will have to be used which will render the tagline "No controller require" a lie.

[Socomer 1979]

Epic even fcked that up.
First the dudes mic cut off & cliffy b didn't even hold the microphone up for him.
Secondly, when he defeated the boss creature & it exploded , in classic epic fashion the game glitches.
The character is standing on top of a invisible boss that's supposed to be dead.
They paused the game hoping ps3 veterans wouldn't notice you nimrod.

Oh but you're right that's much better than ratchet & clank/sarcasm.
El zorro, it sounds like you just charged another year of xboxlive yesterday & you don't want it to go to waste.
LOL, sucker!

[-MD-]

Game glitches are common on live demos of games that don't even have release dates yet. Idiot.

Sony's Tretton had his mic cut out too.

PS. Xbox Live > PSN (like they say you get what you pay for).

[Lord Vader]

MAN - Is it going to be a fun E3 next year when Natal has some games out & we can revist these comments !!!

I dont think some of you are really grasping the big picture = whether you like Natal or not, its coming, & it could be revolutionary people ! At the very least, it is a very innovative jump in the right direction for motion controls & 3D interfacing.

All you kids hating on it now may be foaming at the mouth to get your hands on one next summer !!!

[mshope10]

first off i'am glad all the hardcore gamers love motion controles when last year they hated it!and it's amazing everyone thinks these new motion devices are going to be better then the wiimote with motion plus!first with the natal how will you walk around alot in a hardcore game you would need a lot space in the room so thats not practical.so ms is going to use it for casual games and hardcore will still be with a controler. plus wants nice about the wiimote is you feel it in your hand playing with nothing but your body would be fun with some games!! but the ones we are used to probaly won't work right!thats why i think sonys controler is better but you first have to have the eyetoy. wii has the sensor bar the problem with the eyetoy is that its a camera like natal and lighting will throw it off no matter what they say or sony would be useing the eyetoy more for gaming now, wii's sensor bar doesn't have that problem nothing blocks it!!now another problem with sonys wiimote clone is no nunchuk attachment which means for alot of cores game you will need two full price controllers and the eyetoy and thats one player!!!! for most core games were you walk around with one controler and aim with another like a f.p.s you will always need 2!with the wiimote you got the nunchuk for that! so for 2 players split screen fps you would need 4 remotes! for 4 players 8 remotes and the eyetoy so that would be a problem but i still think sony's controler is going to work great probley on the same level as the wiimote with motion plus but not better!and with wii you get a wiimote and nunchuk so you are covered for all games and now with the added controls of motion plus all you need to do is buy a game that uses it and you will get it for free like with wii sports resort!!or for 10 dollars like with tiger 10 so with in a month i'll have 2 motion plus add on's for just buying the games i want and nintendo is letting red steel 2 to be package with it! so for natal you will have to buy it separate for a rumored to be 200 dollars and probably buy games separate or it will come with a demo!same thing with sonys but you will have to get a eyetoy and atleast 2 controlers to play core games which will probley be separate or have a demo! maybe sony will sell the eyetoy and 2 controlers and a game or demo in a package deal for 200 to compete with ms!!! to me it all sounds like alot of work to play with motion on those systems and hope they make alot of core games for the motion controlers!!!!i'll stick with the wiimote cause i used one hand to type this with my wiimote on my wiiii !!!!!!!!

[SF49er408]

You guys sure get hot and bothered by this haha stupid.

Natal is not for the hardcore. I will always want a controller. They said Natal will be shipped with all new Xbox 360's on stage........ Natal is for the casual crowd people!!!! Its for 6 year old tommy who ate too much and is fat and his mom buys him a 360 so he can run around the living room playing a kiddy game. Look at how many units wii fit has sold and all you do is stand on a board and wave a remote. MS will make tons of mini games that will sell 1940351289521 million copies like Wii sports. Thats easy money. If MS can get this out early next year with some super casual games, they will be able to cash in on the young kids.

I think a baseball game and golf game would work really well on Natal. And they said burnout worked really well... So what, Milo is the big deal? Its an experiment, get over it. I think its awesome. Adding facial recognition to the console and hand movements could interact with games using the traditional controller. I thought how you could scan in skateboards is tight.
This is side stuff. Nothing is going to make me want to give up my xbox/ps3 controller and its "confusing" buttons.

[stonecold3]

was the game im looking forward and sony would be on a winner with this game if we knew if it was coming but nothing has been mentioned or seen from 2005 and this eyidentify is the reason i want on ps3 if sony markets it right and brings it out ps3 will do ps2 numbers easy

[stonecold3]

is dead as far as we are concerned good bye xbox once eye identify says hi ps3 will do ps2 numbers

[kewlkat007]

Voice Recognition Is Still Promising Technology
Just because we haven't managed to perfect voice recognition doesn't mean we should write it off in every product into the future. It's getting better all the time, helped by increased processing power, and once you integrate voice into a system, it allows you to jump deeper into any tree of menus than most UIs allow. For instance, on an iPod, you have to navigate through a handful of separate screens to get to a particular artist. With voice recognition, you'd just say that artist's name.

This just in: "AITALK adapter adds voice control to your iPod nano"
http://www.engadget.com/200...

[gusman354]

Be afraid sony fans be very afraid.

[Guitardr85]

Yeah its just too bad SONY will start seeing profits from their motion controls before M$ even gets NOT-AL out of development!!!

[Arnon]

Yeah... like anyone is actually going to buy that wand... it'll have as much success as their camera (which is pretty poor). We all know Sony never markets about 80% of the crap they release.

[aiphanes]

It has no release date...the Sony stuff and the Nintendo stuff does...Natal it not even the final name of the device....it was all fake....it will not work in a real environment....what if all your lights are turned off?

Come on people we even know the PS3 Eye does not work good in low lights....how is microsoft going to make this work in the real world environment and make it not get a RROD? We are talking microsoft here in hardware...their track record is not that good...but they do make good software....

Nintendo can also get out a wii 2 before Project Natal comes out...

Sony will dominate this gen if they can lower the price....Their hardware is the best...

Natal looks at least a $100 addon....

[Arnon]

They're already making it work without lights on. This was proven by IGN.

[drdistracto707]

Wasnt GIZMONDO a portable game system?

A bad one as i recall...

[Pekka]

Natal comes way too late for this generation. There are already 30 million 360 owners with just standard controllers and by the time Natal comes there are many more. Most of them are NOT going to buy Natal, at least not with $100 price. Ok, unless you have several huge games ready at launch but even then it's doubtful (even Halo wouldn't be enough alone).

And if at least 50% of the owners don't have controller then most third-party developers aren't going to make for it. Why only support minority when you can support all gamers? At best you can see Natal controlling as option but most developers would not even bother with that. We can see this with Wii balance board. There are only handfull of games which support balance board and only couple which require it. Most developers think balance board doesn't have big enough install base even with around 15 million controllers.

The only way Natal could become huge success is by making it as standard controller in box (I mean both Natal and pad would come with 360). Then it would slowly have enough install base and would receive third-party games. If it would be only optional controller and have price tag of $100 then it would receive couple of games and then die out. Perhaps if it cost less than $50 WITH game (you need game to demonstrate controller usage just like Wii Sports) then there is a change to moderate success but even then game support would not be huge.