This Game Can Only Run On _____...

CGReviews.com writes:

"In this race of consoles, it seems that we are hearing more and more often the following phrase: "Platform 'X' wouldn't not be able to handle Game 'X'." Surely I am not the only person who is sick of hearing this. So, I set out to find some examples of this phrase--and how to prove them wrong."

[Megaton]

Well it's obviously PR in some cases, but if you have a functioning pair of eyes, you can see that the 360 really hasn't produced a game with graphics on par with the top tier PS3 exclusives, so it makes the claim seem pretty accurate in other cases.

[morganfell]

Interesting how they complain now that the PS3 is beginning to stretch it's legs.

[sonarus]

Whatever this guy says should be taken with a grain of salt. He is the same person that put up a fake infamous review.

[nveenio]

@ sonarus

I agree. I don't think I'll ever bring one of his reviews to N4G again (unless it's accompanied by his own video or screenshots, and not lame rip offs). But this article (and the one about Microsoft and Innovation) really gets me thinking about the industry and how Microsoft seems none-to-eager to push it forward.

[sonarus]

Microsoft is in a position of dominance over sony. They are forever satisfied as long as they outsell sony. So don't expect much from them until things change.

[Elven6]

Microsoft dropped the ball this time, last generation they had a first party that really pushed the system to its limits, (FASA, Bungie, etc). They had a equal harmony of console pushers and gameplay pushers, now that balance has been overthrown, if PD2 is real it will probably be the console pusher in my opinion.

If anything the DVD factor really hurts the console, HD DVD was a perfectly reasonable option and Microsoft was set to gain greatly if HD DVD won. (licensing fees from their codecs and the HDi interface)

[PirateThom]

Problem is, HD DVD would have increased the price of the console and probably delayed its launch bringing it very, very close to the PS3 and Wii, probably killing the jump it had to get developers on board as well as consumers.

[menoyou]

If you're sick of hearing it then stop asking them. The jouranlist was the one who asked Heavy Rain producer. He didn't just bring it up.

You know what I'm sick of? Lame gaming sites bringing up lame sensational headlines like this one that has ZERO news. YOUR OPINION IS NOT NEWS. And for crying out loud this exact same thing was posted yesterday, maybe by another lame game site.

[RememberThe357]

If it was being said about 360 games these fake ass journalists wouldn't have a problem.

To be honest, it doesn't really matter. There were a ton of games that could only run on the Xbox, yet the PS2 still demolished it in quantity and quality. In the end only the games matter, the graphics are just a plus.

@Spoony: That's a good point. But I have to wonder how much it's the dev saying it and how much it's journalist asking about it.

Maybe if they stopped asking about it they'd stop hearing about it. Maybe.

[SpoonyRedMage]

I agree with RememberThe357 and bubbles for such a intelligent comment. Graphics don't mean everything.

I do think however that even more people would hate MS now if last gen they had all their devs pointing out that it couldn't run on the PS2.

EDIT: Perhaps it is the journalist trying to get some hits by having something contraversial but it seems to me like a prepared response.

[4Sh0w]

I take it as PR talk, nothing more. I own both, I have a superb hdtv and I just don't see this graphics gap between the best looking 360 games vs best looking ps3 games. Then again I don't have x-ray vision and I never counted the pixels on screen. So I guess me and my friends are just normal gamers that laugh at those who swear this or that game can't be done on the other console.

[Elven6]

Pirate: The drives were relatively cheap at the time and Microsoft was apparently already making a profit on the 360 at launch. According to various ex HDi team members Toshiba had given Microsoft prototype HD DVD drives in mid 2005, they could have easily set things up without delaying launch, worst case by a few weeks. Given the PS3 was delayed Microsoft would still have a lead, how much? I don't know.

They may have taken a hit at launch but it could be assumed the format war would have lasted longer or even the scenario that HD DVD would have won had the 360 ensured success at a good pricepoint. Every Blu Ray and HD DVD that uses the VC-1 codec Microsoft makes a cut from, had Blu Ray also used HDi Microsoft would be making a even bigger cut. In the long run if Microsoft did something with HD DVD they could have stood to make a more money in the long run.

[Viper7]

This is all just bullshit from all the game developers. Ofcourse Killzone2 might not be playable by X360 in its current form, there might be some effects that it cant handle, but same goes in both sides.

Games can be developed for every platform, within limits of that platform. There might be some things that X360/Ps3/Wii cant handle, but it doesnt make it imbossible to do similar game on these consoles.

Wiis wiimote is no exception. Ps3 and X360 could probably both handle similar gamepad without any trouble. USB:s are very versatile when it comes to things like gamepads. Same goes for PC games, gamepads can be inserted to PC and Keyboard and mouse can be inserted to consoles so no genre is imbossible due to "hardware" limitations.

Killzone does include really nice graphics, but thats just to cover of the book. If X360 cant handle some of the effects or graphics do something else instead what it can do. Same goes with Gears of war.

[heroicjanitor]

If one person posts an article the other guy posts an article saying he hates the way etc

If you want to argue with someone do it in the comments section not through articles!!!!!

[soxfan2005]

@1.11

I remember when 360 was launched, some publication took one apart and added up the costs of the components, just like is dome with most electronics nowadays. The cost to MS of a launch 360 (pro model) was around $550. Adding an HD-DVD drive would have almost certainly put the retail cost of a 360 out of the reach of most people at the time. Fortunately for Sony, the power of the Playstation name allowed them to launch at a very high price point more successfully than any other company that has ever tried to launch a high priced console.

[Shadow Flare]

- Break within one week

[commodore64]

This crazy damage control and fanboyism is only possible on ps3.

[DelbertGrady]

I remember the days when gameplay was the deciding factor for gamers.

[II Necroplasm II]

That's everything but the PS3 ;)

[Anon1974]

He said "This crazy damage control and fanboyism is only possible on ps3."

I disagree. The comments we're talking about were comments from developers talking about their product, and who would know better what is required of their product than the people making it? If anything the ones who seem to be in damage control mode seem to be the 360 camp.
It's all very confusing to me. As someone pointed out earlier in another news thread, no one argued the Sega Genesis could handle Dreamcast games, no one argued that the PS2 could handle original Xbox games - it was just common sense that new hardware would outperform old, and we've seen this continue with the PS3 vs the 360. No one's taking anything away from the 360, it's a great system, it's just older, using older tech and we've seen the PS3 pulling away with exclusive game after exclusive game.

Why is this so threatening to 360 fans? It was only a matter of time before something better came along, just like it's only a matter of time until the PS3 is replaced. This does nothing to negate what these systems have to offer gamers. Everyone knows the PS2 isn't as powerful as the current crop, but we should dismiss what the PS2 still has to offer gamers who have never experienced it, and true to form it's still immensely popular.

So what's so special about 360 fans? I'm a 360 owner and fan and I don't have any illusions about the 360 being the best game platform because it's simply not anymore. It was my favorite console by far back in 2007, but it's not 2007 anymore and the gaming world moves on. PS2 fans aren't flooding the forums with talk of why their console is the best, they're content to simply game. Why can't 360 fans? As a gamer there's something in every single console out there, and I don't care if you want to game on a 360, Atari 2600, a Wii, a 360 - I rejoice at every new gamer entering the fold but I don't understand people who have turned gaming into corporate cheerleading in the face of the facts.

Also, to those using multiple accounts to reduce my bubbles, nicely done. Down from 9 bubbles to 6 in only a matter of days. Take a bow. You strike a blow against gamers for fanboys everywhere.

[commodore64]

"Just a quick comment on Commodore's post."
well, that was the longest 'quick' comment i have ever seen! :)

Unfortunately, the ongoing inferior ps3 multiplat saga continues and, after all is said and done, the 360 has weathered the storm that was supposed to be the ps3 dominance.

Most of what is left of the diehards are the remnants that cling to the 'potential' argument, while ignoring how close the battle really is and continues to be.

Let's face it, both the ps3 and 360 are now somewhat dated, in terms of hardware. To say otherwise is getting sillier by the minute. (Of course the real debate centers around which of the two is ever so slightly better, in dated terms)

I bring up the multitude (hundreds) of proven inferior ps3 multiplats, others bring up kz2 and uc2.
Yadda, yadda. round and round we go.

Ultimately exlusive developers will hype their own gravytrain. Can you imagine Aaron Greenberg associating with anyone who speaks in less than stellar terms about the 360? What about Ken Kutaragi/Kaz Hirai? Would they admit to their loyal fans exactly how well the 360 has really done?

An exclusive developer will hype his chosen platform until the cows come home, and the starving fanboys will lap it up with glee.
Pray, tell me: What is he supposed to say?
Where is his bread buttered?

Think.

[ShabzS]

does not adopt more custom engines on its exclusives the 360 wont get pushed... exclusives like gears and mass effect are devloped by third party studios... and thrid party studios usually tend to save lot of money and resources by adopting middleware engines like unreal...

basically if you wanna push your console to the max you need a development team of you own who can build an engine designed specifically for your console that will push your hardware to the max... but for that development team you need your own first party studios...

[nveenio]

I agree. It seems like Sony is fighting against all odds because they HAVE to. Their console costs more, their multiplats aren't always as polished, etc. If Sony doesn't push their hardware, then they would never have managed to sell 23 million of them, and the 360 would already be the victor. Maybe Microsoft just doesn't feel like they have to do anything extra, yet? Who knows?

[PirateThom]

I've always said this. The 360 is capable of a lot more than Unreal Engine 3 can offer. I don't think there's any limitation with the 360, I think it's UE3 reaching the end of its life that's the problem. Even Capcom's MT Framework engine gets better results on 360, in my opinion.

[Elven6]

I think Mass Effect and Gears are funded by Microsoft, and Unreal is Epic's engine, if anything they would have the latest tech before anyone else and the knowledge to push the system better then other third parties.

[green]

All of you are correct and it's a shame that Microsoft does not have a single internally developed game that can act as a graphical showcase for the 360.Rare actually has a good engine that was used for Banjo:nuts and bolts and viva pinata 2,the only problem is that they have not been able to produce a game that is deserving of such and engine because in my personal opinion Banjo: Nuts and Bolt looks better or is at least on par with Gears 2.Lets see if they can pull some wonders with PD2.

Turn 10's community manager stated " Che points out that he has been "spending quite a lot of time just admiring the game from a visual standpoint", adding that "the past few weeks have seen the graphics really come into its own" http://gaming.hexus.net/con... e3 is around so it looks like we won't have to wait to see Forza 3 can really shine graphically.

[SpoonyRedMage]

Resident Evil 5 looks so much better than Gears and it kind of shows that the 360 does have more potential. If FFXIII runs the same on both platforms it will show that the 360 hasn't been utilised fully in the past(even though FFXIII may not be a technically impressive as say KZ2). I think the 360 needs it's own "The Conduit" something to push to the console.

I do think that "xx can't run on the 360" is getting annoying though. They say it for preety much every game and a lot of the time their developers who only work on the PS3 and they phrase it the same way.

[RememberThe357]

I have to agree, that if the 360 had more custom engines we would be seeing much more from the console.

Unfortunately Microsoft's internal development teams have yet to show that they can push their console past anything that third party engines can put out.

[Guitarded]

(except Morganfail) for an intelligent, thoughtful discourse.

[-chaz-]

The Halo 3 engine is surprisingly powerful, I think Bungie really dropped the ball designing the environments. I'd love to see another Halo NOT done by Bungie and their ass-ugly environments with the same engine. There are moments in Halo 3 where the outdoor lighting is stunningly realistic.

Looking over the deferred rendering doc for Killzone 2 ( http://www.develop-conferen... I don't see any rendering techniques that aren't standard in DirectX, so it's pretty likely that if Guerilla Games had to work on the Xbox for another game, they could manage something equally spectacular.

Developers live for challenges. To say that something can't be done is pretty close-minded; it's most likely just marketing BS.

[Megaton]

I agree that you'd see much better 360 games graphically if their 1st party wasn't practically nonexistent. Most 3rd party games get bogged down in UE3 territory, so they can really only go so far. The best you'll get on that engine is from Epic.

I also agree that Resident Evil 5 is the best looking 360 game on the market, and that Lost Planet 2 boss fight footage looks really solid, so the power is there, it's just not being utilized very well. They need a 1st party dev to dig deep into the console's guts and pull out a custom engine the way Sony does, but they just don't have the resources.

[RememberThe357]

Bungie was able to keep the charm of the gameplay that made the first two title so successful, but they weren't able to keep up graphically with the rest of the high profile games that where launched for this generation.

I don't remember seeing anything in Halo 3 that was graphically impressive, but if your right and Bungie just didn't put their engine to proper use then maybe we will see something cool in ODST or some other title using the engine.

[Arnon]

Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts is seriously one of the nicest looking games I've seen. And yes, it is on par with Gears of War 2. And it's because they used a engine specifically made for the 360.

Guys not trying to bug or anything, but I highly recommend playing the full version of Nuts & Bolts. Especially on a HDTV.

It's a very enjoyable game. And, in my opinion, is highly underrated.

When you see games that are specifically built on the 360 such as Fable 2 and B-K.. You know the 360 has more potential than just the UE3. Because both of those games in my eyes, top Gears of War 2 in environmental detail (without a doubt on that), texure detail, polygons, etc.

[-chaz-]

@RememberThe357

It was mainly the lighting quality that struck me in Halo 3's outdoor environments. There were a few times in one particular stage of the campaign (it was the stage where you come out of the jungle and out onto a Covenant base) where I looked up to see dropships landing and the lighting looked just like a global illuminated shot from a CG movie.

It's impressive tech, just wasted on Bungie.

@Arnon
Yeah, Rare has a nice looking engine on the 360. Even the Viva Pinata games look great - albeit cartoony. Kind of makes me wish the Wii were not so last gen, Mario with a similar engine would be a gamer's dream come true.

[Mu5afir]

It's true, there are games that can't run on other systems in their "ORIGINAL" form. Arguing that they can be run "gimped", defeats the purpose. Can Killzone 2 be done on the Wii? Yes, but can the Killzone on the Ps3 be done on the Wii? NO.

[nveenio]

That's true. I think the better argument is, "Can the game deliver the same experience on another platform?" Let's face it, you could do Wii Sports on any platform, but it wouldn't be the same experience. This is why the Wii is so popular. You just can't get that experience somewhere else. I'm thinking that Sony is trying to create its own experience like the Wii, but for a harder core of gamers.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

POOR ChatBot!!! ;-D

[infamous_27]

You know, I love PS3 more than any console out now. But you're getting on my nerves!

[jBat17]

only two things can only run on a crapbox: RRoD and E74.. and i hope it stays that way

dream on, xbots.. crapbox cannot handle MGS4.. crapbox cannot run KZ2.. and now, infamous, heavy rain and uncharted 2 is only possible on the PS3.. cry moar xbots

[xbollox]

now that PS3 is undeniably showing its muscles, the morons who've indulged in PS3 bashing are feeling uneasy, hahahahaha!

it's like a little obnoxious kid starting a fight with a bigger kid and then the bigger kid finally pays attention and gives the little kid a humiliating whooping in front of everybody and then the little kid begs for mercy: "i was just kidding, the whole fighting thing is overrated after all, can't we just all get along?"

it must be a hilarious spectacle for you Ken, in'it? :P
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[Shadow Man]

At least we can chat with people over xboxlive, have private team parties.

Not like in psn can't even play music while gaming or "chat" during gameplay.

Enjoy your textation3rd.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

Use your Brain then(if you got one)and Press 'Ignore' under my Photo???
Easy really!!! ;-D

@xbollox ;) I'm with you mate;) I do laugh at them all(ChatBots)!!! ;-D
They hate it when they don't get their way, it's very funny to watch!!! ;-D

+ i don't know why they say things to me, whoever they are it's not like a give a T0SS what they think anyway!!! ;-D

Bubbles4u2;)

[NewZealander]

chatbot? ouch now that hurts lol.

look this site is getting pathetic, the ps3 fanboy #1 throws childish comments then the other ps3 fanboys come in and pat fanboy #1 on the back, its so sad.

[ChampIDC]

I don't think anyone but a fool can't see that the 360 is an older, less powerful console than the PS3. Honestly, I couldn't care less anyway, because a good game doesn't need the most crisp graphics in the world. There are plenty of ways to make a stylish game without graphical power.

But some people really do care about graphics, unlike me. To each his own. That's where gaming really shines. There's something for everyone.

[Pixel_Addict]

this article was written just for people who visit N4G. While most 'adults' and professional game journalists simply ignore these pointless articles, cgreviews.com's childish rebuttal only serves as more pointless rambling only to heal their fanboy hearts. Fact is, 360 fanatics have been touting how the PS3 is no better than the 360. So now some people are wanting to point out just how wrong they were. Yeah its annoying, but more annoying that you can't really refute their claims with facts, just useless crying..

PS: Do you really think by having Mass Effect in that article pic that makes it less bias? Let's be honest... no one has disputed any 360 game could be done on the PS3, especially Mass Effect. If anything, there would be more mass for effects (pun intended :D)!

[saimcheeda]

was really lame and stupid!

[The Matrix]

Yeah I've noticed a lot of those lately.

NOTE: I haven't heard anyone saying "This can only run on the 360."

[ultimolu]

What's that sound?

Do I hear another round of crying?

Love how this came up the minute developers mention that these games can only be done on the PS3 when they were asked if it could run on other consoles!

What the hell did you expect them to say?

[xabmol]

"Of course KZ2, Uncharted 1/2, inFAMOUS, and GoW3 can run on the 360."

xD

:P

[farhsa2008]

One thing you will never hear...

"This game can only run on 360"

[I did not murder him]

I think that has more to do with marketing philosophy Microsoft doesn't bash other console when marketing their games I'm sure they encourage all devs to do the same.
Its a stupid thing to say when that game could be outdone soon after in different ways of course I'm not saying what road a dev takes makes these claims untrue but the end result will be outdone. I can think of 4 games that will be on par or have a more realistic art style.

[popup]

The only time I have ever heard this being said was for 'Naruto: Rise of a Ninja'

Considering the fact that Sony released second this time round, it has almost been a paranoia of theirs to establish the PS3 as a powerhouse of a console at every opportunity but given the complicated architecture, this has been hard to prove until more recently.

In fact, with all the early multi-platform games looking better on the lead platform 360, Sony have had to fight hard all the way to appeal to and convince the power-hungry gamers to get onboard.

Regardless of this fact, games are not only enjoyable for their graphics (as movies are for their special effects) and the only way to enjoy all of the good stuff is to own all the platforms required.

[LittleBigSackBoy]

http://www.pushsquare.com/1...

EDIT disagrees for proving 7.1 wrong?

[Anon1974]

You provided an excellent example of Microsoft using the same type of tactics, but one thing that's being missed is it's not Sony making claims of the PS3's power. That's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about developers who are making these types of comments, and then usually as a direct result of someone asking them the obvious "Which console is better to develop on? Is this possible on the 360?" Terminal Reality was pretty damn vocal about the limitations the 360 version of Ghostbusters was putting on them, claiming they could have twice as much going on on-screen if they didn't have to worry about a 360 port later. Back then Sony wasn't anywhere in the picture so it's not like they were coached to say those things.

[DaTruth]

Are you serious? Microsoft spends entire conferences talking about the PS3! They rarely speak of their own product! If you weren't POG, I would think you were very new to this site.

[I did not murder him]

Its before E3 folks we're going to hear a lot of these OMG! nothing compares or OMG! this blows everything out of the water posts. Even the posts complaining about them when the milestone switches console to console in the next 8 weeks.

I'd be more concerned why Sony is trying to hype this game before E3. A game with similar gameplay will be Beyond Good & Evil 2 and it shows very impressive ingame/in-engine capabilities.

[Unicron]

....have you ever even played Beyond Good & Evil? Because it really sounds like you haven't.

[I did not murder him]

* puts on ignore*

*thinks to self asking if people will even be talking about UC2 visuals in two weeks because of other games and their visuals*

[Godmars290]

Have you actually seen Beyond Good & Evil 2 gameplay?

Confirmed gameplay. Not just the leaked footage that's probably target render.

EDIT:
Actually, what game are you trying to compare to BG&E2? Which no one has really seen so have no idea what the gameplay is?

Infamous is open sandbox, Heavy Rain QTE heavy. BG&E1 was open, but nothing like the good/bad hero aspect of Infamous. More like MGS w/mini-games.

[I did not murder him]

Didn't say a thing about gameplay and I'm well aware of the excuses people say about the trailer: target Render/CGI/home made/modded Assassin's Creed footage.

[RememberThe357]

I hope you don't kill yourself or anything. Becuase you seem a little obsessed with MS showing something (if anything) that is a little bit better then what Sony if offering.

It doesn't really matter if a game is shown that looks better then Uncharted 2, because the game will still look fantastic. We will still be looking forward to the great gameplay that made people love the first.

[Sony Rep]

Bots in denial mode... haha

The 360 will never have....

the Cell
blu-ray
great first- party support
free wi-fi
free online
functional hardware

It's not a wonder devs can't take advantage of the 360's hardware .... it's cheap and keeps braking. haha

[aldesko]

I heard Noby Noby Boy can only run on PS3.

[LittleBigSackBoy]

It was made for the 360 first...

[xabmol]

True, but then they realized no one would buy an original title for the 360. So they put it on the PSN where original quirky titles, without gallons of blood, can flourish.

P.S.

Aldesko was being sarcastic. ;)

[aldesko]

"It was made for the 360 first..."

Yeah, but then they realized 360 couldn't handle the incredible graphical prowess of Noby Noby Boy.

And yes, I'm joking.

[Tomonobu Itagaki]

It seems that there is much more people on the internets that know how to develop on PS3 and Xbox 360 than i though. Everyone seems to know much more about gaming development than the developers themselves.

Of course there are PR that smoke weeds, just turn every game box you have. "A legendary gameplay", "the best critic of all times", "a unique experience", "breathtaking game", etc... And i'm sure it's even worse in America, as they love spectacularization.

What is even more wonderful is that the sentence that started that flame war is not from a PR but from Quantic Dream's CEO and designer David Cage. It's like if i was saying that Ninja Gaiden can be run only on the most powerful console of its generation. I'm never wrong.

[eagle21]

is feeling frustrated that their console can't produce jaw dropping AAA 1st party games. But don't hide the pain that is hurting inside xbots. There is hope, please call:

1-800-SEVERE-XBOX-DEPRESSION :)

Together, this hotline and a shiny new Playstation 3 will help you "finish the fight" with insecurity and xbox depression.

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[Xwow2008]

bubble :))

[PotNoodle]

It doesn't even matter, because the only people saying this are either sony's first party or are people working on games that are funded and published by sony.

So even if they could be run on another console, they won't be.

[I did not murder him]

I was just telling #7 that. Sony's "marketing philosophy" is radically different. Sony's Strategy is condition and hype and Microsoft's is *bait them* followed with Shock and awe surprises.

[StephanieBBB]

Do you honestly think that SONY has promted exclusive developers, to say that thier game can only be done on the PS3 because of hype?

These are talented developers and not SONY PR guys which actually would know a thing or two about games since they create them. If you should believe anyone it should be them. Not some journalist having doubts or some ex-bungie developer that "thinks" he knows about game engines/consoles which he has never even developed on.

Wake up and smell the roses. YES, the PS3 has games which would probably not be able to run on the Xbox360 but whats the big deal? It's not like your forbidden to buy a PS3? Just wait for the eligible price cut and go get one ffs.

[mastiffchild]

IDK if you could really say any of this was a marketing strategy from Sony and once MS announce games(admittedly usually nearer release than Sony)their hype machine is fantastic to behold. Even for a game that would have sold itself like H3 the campaign was immense.

Why I'm not certain you could call the devs saying this is a policy of any kind is that both GG and QD only mentioned the line when asked particular questions(not sure about SP though and Cage only said he "thinks" it might not be possible in any case)-or that's the way it looked where I read it. Also the lack of nouse from Sony about marketing and advertising this gen has been stunning and how many prospective console buyers who haven't already commited to either or both PS3 or 360 are likely to ever see what the devs said?

Greenburg also loves to talk Sony down rather than big up his own company's products(which is up to him but like the ludicrously arrogant claims made around PS3 launch by Sony may alienate some spectators)and I'd be surprised if there was a marketing tactic anywhere that MS haven't used in some way-and that isn't a dig at all they're just way more proactive in doing that kind of thing than Sony.

I agree that the wisdom of saying the kind of thing we're talking about might well be flawed in an industry that shifts as quickly as this one yet I suspect there's more than just gfx and technical oomph that they're on about and it's more likely that the storage is the key issue as the biggest issue between the two platforms. Or possibly they mean in their current(i.e optimised for PS3) state but taken slightly out of full context things can look more imflammatory than they really are. However less controversial means lesser numbers of hits/readers so we rarely get the full quote or story these days.

TBH, I'd rather people didn't say anything like this mainly as we can't say if they're right or wrong and won't ever be able to-and if we don't get all the words said we don't even start looking from the right place! It's all hogwash but I can't believe it's set up by Sony-they aren't that organised and if they were it wouldn't reach the kind of numbers(or the actual people it might make a difference to in buying their first HD console)to make it worth their while. The whole things a bit of a waste of time.

[Anon1974]

just messed up my own post. They should really give you the option to delete a post.

[Anon1974]

Terminal Reality was very vocal about how the 360 was limiting their Ghostbusters game, and that was long before Sony was involved in publishing the game in Europe. ID was another one that quickly backtracked when they saw the backlash they were getting from their comments, but their views on how the 360 is limiting games at the moment is no less insightful.

[devilhunterx]

another whiner xbot crying

[-MoOkS-]

I know for a fact that the xbox 360 can run all ps3 games, MGS4 and Uncharted 1 & 2 etc.
It's already got games that surpass them.

Uncharted 2

http://i293.photobucket.com...

Metal Gear Solid 4

http://i293.photobucket.com...

Gears of War 1 & 2

http://xbox360media.ign.com...
http://images.gamersyde.com...
http://images.gamersyde.com...
http://images.gamersyde.com...
http://images.gamersyde.com...
http://i42.tinypic.com/2925...

So, that kills the argument that xbox 360 cant run ________.
It's got a better graphics card than the ps3, ofcourse it can run ps3 exclusive games.

[ipwnall]

Such an ignorant fanboy. No, these games cannot run of the Xbox 360 because it doesn't have the cell, or the space. Without that, you cannot have these great looking games. And Gears Of War can be ported to the PS3 to look even better.

[Shadow Man]

Don't give up the fight against this puto droids.

[-MoOkS-]

The 360 cpu is equal to the cell. What do you mean it doesnt have the space? GTAIV and Oblivion are on the 360 you know....name one ps3 game bigger than them. Blu-ray isn't needed for gaming. Crysis runs on DVD...so thats your entire argument destroyed.

And no, GoW would not look better on ps3 if it was ported, ps3 only has 256mb ram for it's GPU, thats why 360 exclusives/multiplats always have better texture's.

Next time bring factual information, if you want to argue with me.

[-MoOkS-]

Don't worry, I won't give up.

2 more NPD results should destroy whats left of the droids on this site.

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@ cappakrako

360 has Kameo, half-life 2 and many more games with better physics than those games you listed

Kameo has over 3000 individual enemies with physics/AI onscreen at once. Show me one ps3 exclusive that has done that......shouldn't be a problem if "teh cell" is so powerful.

[cappakrako]

so your saying because the 360 has a better graphics card it can handle the physics engines of all those said games? the GPU has little to do w/ handling the physics engine thats the job of the CPU. that is were the ps3 out shines the 360. the Xenon cannot handle the effect that is rendered in games like Killzone2, Uncharted2, inFamous, ect, ect. to prove my point watch some trailers of inFamous http://www.gametrailers.com...
just to give you an idea

[TheBand1t]

I'll believe it when I see it. You could make Killzone 2 run on a PS2 if you wanted, but it wouldn't be like it's PS3 brethren.

If the game is tweaked and coded to be played by the console it's designed for, yea, it'll play better on it. You'd be dumb to say otherwise.

Oh, and when the droids leave, be sure to make the Xbots leave too.

The Nintendrones can stay. They're cool.

EDIT: Crysis is on DVD because it unpacks it's chit into the hard drive, not because it's stored on it.

[sniper-squeak]

Mooks does have a clear point.. a bit like the cell and PS3 working better on physics, but games looking more style on the 360... neither console is superior, theyre both "next-gen" and both have great games...

Bubbles... :)

[Nelson M]

That if Mooks had another Brain Cell
He would be a Plant

[I did not murder him]

Killzone 2

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terminator salvation

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Uncharted 2

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Lost Planet 2

http://www.1up.com/media/03...
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GT

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Ferrari Project

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For the most part it depends on what engine is being used and the skill of the devs that is why you judge off of multi platform games.
Uncharted 2's hand painted visuals look great but I think there are games already competing with it if not beating it. We have not even seen the heavy hitters like Alan Wake, Beyond Good & Evil 2, Splinter Cell, Warhound etc.

[xbollox]

spot on:

a 360 fanboy is a gamer who mistakes his wet dreams for actual facts

thanks m00ks XDDDDD

[Shadow Flare]

Hi mooks! Mooks! Hey mooks! Hey! Your a retard!

http://kineticninja.blogspo...

[Baka-akaB]

Only time i remember anyone claimed a 360 couldnt be done on ps3 was for Naruto rise of the Ninja . And obviously it was just a case of the truth being strechted quite a bit for PR by ubi soft .

They indeed could not do the game on ps3 ... but because each console had a deal of exclusivity concerning Naruto and a single a definite developper .

Turns out anyway that Naruto Ultimate ninja storm destroys completely any ubisoft naruto games on a technical (and imo gameplay) level .

Now are PS3 exclusives possible on 360 ? i dunno ... i just doubt most are , and it can't be verified easily .
The 360 has yet to prove otherwise imo , thought capable of a lot .

[infamousinfolite]

*360 can't handle: MGS4, MAG, InFamous, Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, or any other ps3 exclusives coming out this year, next year, and the following years there after.

Edit: End Rant

[Arnon]

I highly disagree.

I believe that any game can run on the 360. The thing is though, is that Microsoft does not push the 360. They have 3rd party developers using their engines. And in those rare cases... they have a couple first part engines.

It's why Fable 2 looked so gorgeous. Hell... imo it looks nicer than Gears of War 2.

Same with Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts.

[infamousinfolite]

So why not push if they can. I mean they sen what mgs4 can do as well as what killzone 2 has accomplished and not to forget uncharted 2. I mean come on now get with the program.

[Arnon]

Because they haven't seen the need to. I mean, look at the mass success the Xbox 360 has recieved. And Microsoft is the underdog this gen. They are the new guys.

[Redempteur]

i wonder if one day i'll see a Full hd (1080p) 60fps racing game like wipeout HD on the 360 ..

i mean you can pause that damn game AT ANY TIME and take screenshots ...and all of them are gorgeous !!!

i have yet to see that possible on any other game ...

and i don't think something like that will happen in a 360 game soon

[Anon1974]

...but gorgeous? Better than Gears 2? Fable 2 was a fun game but it was certainly no graphical showpiece - and texture pop-in was rampant throughout and the lighting was simple at best. It certainly can't hold a candle to a game like Uncharted in the graphics department, but there aren't many games that can. These types of graphics might be possible on the 360 but until I see it happen even talking about it is only speculation.

[Arnon]

Um... Did you play Fable 2 in HD? Because the environmental detail of Fable 2 is absolutely outstanding.

[Arnon]

Really? I think Forza Motorsport 2 actually did that..

Also, like I was trying to point out. All of these engines that the 360 uses (mostly) are from third party developers. What in your right mind would make you think that a in-house studio could not work for years on a engine like Guerrilla Games did and blow away even the most technical of technical 360 games such as Alan Wake, B-K, Gears of War 2, etc.?

[Anon1974]

Just look at my gamertag. And in highdef.

I really think you're romantising Fable 2. It was great, loved the art direction but it is not a graphical showpiece. It was good, but it's not in the same league as these other games.
Fable2: http://medialib.computerand...
Gears 2:
http://xbox360media.ign.com...

[Redempteur]

forza ?

and i thought you had an intresting answer for me ...

/*goes back waiting for a correct answer ..

[PS360PCROCKS]

Arnon I love my 360, but Fable 2 is an ugly fugly game. Ugly fake looking lame character models. It wasn't all terrible, but that game by no means was "gorgeous" I remember remarking quite a few times how hideous it was while playing it. Oh and Forza 2 was 60FPS and camera mode so don't be a jerk.

[Godmars290]

That when someone from the MS camp says it that it eventually does come to the PS3, while oppositely there are actual technical issues for a 360 port. The question that some content has to be removed or degraded.

[Sky Zero]

The best Ps3 games run off of engines specifically designed for the Ps3 that use its SPUs and what not.

The best looking 360 games have been done with either the UE3 or MT. Framework both which are multiplatform engines.

If MSFT stays MSFT they'll strategically unveil what they need to unveil.

While the Ps3 has its killer graphical exclusives they put no dent into the 360's sales or consumer appeal...so MSFT has no need to rush the release of a game that can surpass a Ps3 exclusive GRAPHiCALLY because graphics don't make a game fun.

i.e. Terminator Salvation Game

It's 3hours long and has a jillion loading screens.

Don't even rent unless you just need a quick 1000 gamerscore.

[-chaz-]

@Skyzero

That's a great point. Sony has something to prove and man, I hope Killzone 2 sells well this gen because the amount of money they sunk into it is massive.

Halo 3 and Rare have some nice engines, it's probably in Microsoft's best interests to start using their assets better because Sony is definitely coming at Microsoft with all their guns blazing.

[kaveti6616]

If I go to the top guy at the MS gaming division and ask him why they don't push the power of the 360, do you think I will be satisfied by "We don't need to, we are leading in sales"? That's not something a gamer should care about. I paid 400 dollars to buy a machine that will never live up to its full potential. Why should I support the machine?

[gnothe1]

Sony an their 1st party devs almost have to claim this, they were the ones caught using fake CG videos trying to pass them off as game play!!they have to show people a reason why their system is more expensive than the competition because some people just don't care about blu ray. since this gen has started Sony an 1st party developers have been playing the specs game trying to make everything SEEM bigger an better. before this gen there was never any talk about how many gigs a level is or how many gigs of uncompressed audio this game has or whether a game ran in 1080P. this is all bull crap marketing done by Sony to make themselves seem superior.even all the talk about the super computer an using the chip(cell,emotion engine)for scientific use. gigs an resolution an uncompressed textures were never a feature to brag about last gen, it was good games an the PS2 had'em.but what ever they feel they need to do to get the upper hand then thats fine!!

[Baka-akaB]

FYI it's no longer fake when it eventually happens .

Joke aside i too was skeptical during that famous and dreaded e3 with the giant crab . However in the end most of those game did end up looking like those cgi , even better in Killzone and uncharted's case .

[Nelson M]

Xbox 360
Pong Tennis Runnin at 10p

Ha Haaa
What a Crap Console the 360 is

[cappakrako]

edit:
looked for "thousands" of enemies rendered in Kameo but couldn't find any gameplay that showed it. so kindly show me and I'll eat my words.... oh, and not just stills or target renders
why the disagree? I'm just stating I could not find video proof. I never played the game so someone please provide video

[Mr Face Creamer]

GTA IV managed to make it on a DVD-DL and so did Mass Effect and Oblivion/Fallout 3, why should a 6 hour long mediocre-looking game such us Uncharted can't run on the 360?

Gears 2 can kick Uncharted/Resistance/MGS in the nuts easily, I can't prove the same for KZ2, but if Gears 2 managed to run on the 360 on the outdated UE3 engine, then any game can.

[meatnormous]

And Gears 2 is by far not the best looking game of the bunch. MGS4 cleans the floor with gears graphically and with game play.Gears 2 was good looking and fun but in no way does it hold a candle to MGS4.

[MetalGearBear]

not big deal!!!!

[MetalGearBear]

r u human?

[PLASTICA-MAN]

He is a lame bot created by microsucks to piss off every article!

[CobraKai]

Playing as the Joker is only possible on the PS3:)

[Pandamobile]

Cry Engine 3 is by no means, "superior" to CE2. It's a console port. Have you even SEEN CE3 in action running on console hardware?

It's like running Crysis at 1280 x 720, no AA, medium settings, and some weird filter they added to the shadowing so that it runs at 1/2 the frame rate of the game so it's less taxing on the console's limited resources.

Article is laughable.

[You Already Know]

this is pretty much the same article I posted yesterday ahaha....

[Avenged Sevenfold]

You gotta love weekends on N4G.

[maverick1191]

its funny mooks all you show for MGS4 is that pic constantly you know the game is epic you have played it right? uncharted cant be done on 360 as it cant run so many things at the same time gears is the best it gets whats better than it now? a year later and theres no games that are graphically better than gears 2 you sent me a pm proving me that gears 2 and huxley is better than kz2 lmao kz2 graphically is miles ahead of them

[Phantom_T]

And they're backing it up,tell me a game that looks as good as Killzone or Uncharted 2.
The media and general people who verbally shat on the Playstation 3 when it was first released saying how it wasn't as great as it should of been know they're being made to look like idiots now and they really don't like it.
Hence why you constantly get "of course these can be done" articles in an attempt to save face.

[Dark Pheonix Films]

Here are all official in-game screenshots, make your own decision.

[nveenio]

Dude, that makes Gears look like a toy. (Sure, they're all toys, but Gears just looks childish in comparison to Uncharted 2.)

[Dark Pheonix Films]

The uncharted one is not cutscene, its a in-game interface, as for the other two, there both fully in-game.

[click 2 get virus]

sound like something a 360 fan boy woulds say

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Concentrate on the gameplay first. Killzone 2 is a great example of a game that looks great but suffers from boring gameplay. Halo 3 is also a perfect example of a game that concentrates on the gameplay first. If the game is boring than I don't care if it looks photo realstic.

BTW, Uncharted 2 does look sick.

[Phantom_T]

The technical prowess and creative minds of the developers,not just the platform,all consoles have great games,but that's because they have great developers making them.
There's a reason games like the Call of Duty series stands out from it's rival FPS's.
But of course graphics matter,these are the first indication of a well made game (bar some cases) and what a console is capable of currently.
The creative mind is only limited by the resources it had to use,do you really think back in the days of the SNES and Master System games were made two dimensional because it was the rage back then? No,it's because back then it was all they had to work with and the games playstyle was decided because of it.
Anyone with a braincell can notice games have and will continue to become more extravagant in what they do,more detail and more interesting and this is only because the power is supplied by bigger and better consoles. These great and fun ideas can only come about by having the resources to make it.
Like I said,gameplay is decided by the creative developer and the more tools he has to work with the better games will be.
Yes,graphics can matter as much as gameplay at times,it's what first immerses you in the game.

And Killzone 2 is boring?
Each to there own I suppose.

[LUCKYXS7LEVEN]

im a ps3 only person but with all this ppl bragging about it , they make it feel how the 360 ppl were in 2006-2008. if xbox didn't charge for online ( which is just throwing money away) in which case other companies provide for u, i could give the box a go. to get to my point in all of this ppl are being immature and childish . we ps3 fans are becoming the dumbas$ ppl from 2006 whose only goal was to piss on the less fortunate . we started with 5 good games n from their we got more. it's like the turtle vs the rabbit ( ps3 vs 360 ) who wins in the end? im a proud ps3 gamer and i just lift my head up and look B3YOND what the future holds for sony n the ps brand.

[OGharryjoysticks]

But everything is so static it should be laughed at. Well, I didn't really know this until I played Killzone 2, so you might not know it too...but it should.

[drewsny]

If you really think about it, halo 3 can't run on the ps3. Gears of war 2 and 1 and fable 2 and any other game that is on the 360 cannot run on the ps3. Really, you could even say that SSBB can only run on the wii. Also i am a strong supporter of gameplay > graphics. That is why i liked halo 3 better than killzone 2.

[PS360PCROCKS]

well to be fair Epic stated the PS3 can't run Gears Of War due to the 512MB ram or some crap. But that's the only thing I've ever seen. I used to think the 360 games were incredible looking. Now it's mainly ALL the PS3 games. I don't know if it's a lack of power or what. But Forza 2, Halo 3 and Fable 2 I thought could have looked a lot better.

[i_zamorak_i]

I'll take great games over a "chat/ ingame music" any day :)

[player-1]

This guys lost all cred from me for reviewing a demo..

[LostDjinn]

How did this crap get in here?

*Eyes go wide*

Is this the next HHG like, crap based site to attack N4G?
To your battle stations everyone!

[cheapness1]

It's not just about the graphics its also physics and AI e.g. Gears of War looks good but does it have as many real-time physics interactions as Killzone 2?

The 360 can do the same technical stuff as the PS3 but the PS3 seems to do more of it in its games i.e. if Game X has 5 things going on at once the PS3 equivalent Game Y would have 8 things going on at once...

[rawrlolrofl]

ps3 is better, xbox is crap.