Microsoft Fluid Prototype In Action

Rumors have been flying around about Microsoft's new motion camera called the Microsoft Fluid being developed by 3DV and their ZCam technology. Well, some may not know but 3DV actually showed off their camera at CES 2008 with a full-on gaming tech demo. Check out the video below to get an idea of what to expect with the Fluid.

[qface64]

really? now that's it?
am i supposed to be impressed? it really just seems like the eye toy

so many people on the internet were making it sound like it was going to be godly?
i dunno if this is even the official thing or not but it doesn't really impress if you ask me

[40cal]

It looks like it works just like the PS Eye to me also.

I am looking forward to seeing what they have done with Eye Pet thus far. Hopefully we will get some info at E3.

[I did not murder him]

The playstation eye is that responsive? The playstation eye I bought was slow and barely manageable in comparison. The eyetoy is more advanced than the Playstation eye?

You can tell what it can do based on this dude playing a game?

[sack_boi]

Very responsive (prototype) but lame.

[I did not murder him]

Correction.
#2 is right. I do agree with #3 though.

[RememberThe357]

I just don't think it will be applied well. That boxing game looked like it would be pretty fun. But unless MS is planning something like what Sony is planning with the Eye Toy, I just don't see how this is better then using a controller.

I thought the Eye Toy ran at 120 f/s Isn't that pretty good. Maybe it was just the programing that made it slow.

[Mindboggle]

Anyone who thinks this is cool is dilluded.

This is essentially the same game that was on Eye toy on PS2 in like 2003. Except they moved the angle. This was done in Wii Sports and once again in Punch out.

Typical Microsoft. Never innovate, never create original products, just rip off other companies and steal their games. I dont know why people even buy their consoles and games. Oh yh I know why, AS ITS CHEAP!

[TomAB]

I agree; wii boxing is better than what that looks (almost :)) I seriously hope microsoft has something aa little more advanced than this

[aueslander]

....those saying it is crap is basing their opinion off of a video made almost 18 months ago on an incomplete application and hardware as opposed to seeing how it works NOW on a console with hardware specific gaming software?

Yea, nice one there, might as well say Mass Effect 2 sucks even though we have seen next to noting and we are probably a year from release or say that FF13 will be a turd even though it wont be out for about another year also.

Please, though I know this will fall on deaf ears, make a decision based on what will be shown in 2 weeks since they have had almost 18 months more to work on the device which means that it could be far and away better now then it was in January of 2008.

Also, dont start with the "microsoft is not innovated" as sony brings out things as well *cough* sixaxis *cough* with devices that is similar to what is already on the market before sony releases them. Might as well call microsoft not innovateive because they released a game console in the first place but you can say that as well as sony since nintendo and sega released consoles before sony so of course, they were copying and not being innovative. I swear, fanboys on both sides are retarded.

[I did not murder him]

That camera probably doesn't exist in that form or developmental stage if Microsoft is really releasing first party motion sensing tech. Its probably a more advanced motion bar or strip with other sensors etc on it. I'm reading rumors of Full body motion.

You should know by now PS3 fans talk down anything related to the 360. It will be interesting to see if Microsoft is going to release the motion interface software they have mentioned wanting to do.

[Gam71]

Relax, its the SDF hijacking another 360 thread on N4G.
Must be saturday.

Yes, the eye toy can do the same thing but better.
The reason it hasn't is because...

no answer?
If it could it would have.

Have you checked their website to see what this can do?
Its not going to replace the joypad and anyone who's trying to claim ms is trying to claim that must own a ps3.

Watch the gesture based control of windows, but I know the eye toy...
sony said so...
or didn't but some fanboy did.

It is impressive and the potential (if you own a sony product you must appreciate that as you live on "potential") for gaming is huge.

But of course hate it because its ms (then go on about how hating sony is stupid because why would you hate a company!?!) and then when sony copy announce it as the best thing ever.

I'm looking forward to this. For gaming its innovative, and we know how you like innovation (obviously i'm not talking to the ninty or 360 owners on here as its full of ps3 fanboys) but i'm sure you all own an eye toy and are playing...
erm,
that one with the cards and...
erm...

[ActionBastard]

I'm glad I don't have a 360.

[Raz]

I played with this tech in an arcade ten years ago. Are we supposed to be dazzled? <YAWN>

[I did not murder him]

I think fans and trolls are suppose to buy into the rumor Microsoft is going to announce motion soon for their platforms by showing the video. I'm guessing thats the point.

[Jaces]

Uhh...everyone already has a motion sensing console. Why do they want another one?

I was never really in this kind of stuff, unless it was something that was integrated a small bit here and there in some games.

[I did not murder him]

You're not the one selling Three Hundred thousand to Four hundred thousand consoles a month to an untapped up and coming casual market that is spreading like wildfire.

You also don't speak for the 40 to 50 million people that think its matrix/Minority Report/closer to Virtual reality/Health tool/family gaming fun futuristic sh*t.

[Jaces]

Ohhh, your talking about the Wii. Right?

[I did not murder him]

Indeed.

Huge market. The Wii broke the defacto video game mold because they have tapped into a new market while winning over the bulk of the casual demographic by releasing a product seen as the future with many benefits.
This new untapped demographic of non gamers(parents and the elderly etc) and the casual one is where the growth is at for any company. Hospitals, offices, retirement homes the list goes on.

[aueslander]

Am not going to think this will replace the joypad anytime soon.

Granted I am sure the tech is lightyears better then the old sega octagon thingy (activator?) where you would stand inside it to punch and kick in genesis games but, until we get VR like a holodeck from Star Trek the joypad is not going anywhere anytime soon.

I am not bashing this as i think it could add to how games are played, like if you are a character who walks up to a computer console you can access the screen like you would if you were there or some other type functions which if done right could work really well.

Still, I found it funny a few days ago there was an article about sony's motion controller that had a mock up design that looked like the wii mote and PS3 fanboys were all over it mainly because it doesnt use IR like the wii and they claim it will revolutionise gaming and work better than the wii (which it very well could). Of course, these are the same ones that called the wii lame due to its control option yet once sony announces something similar, no one has a problem with it and thinks its a great idea.

Ah well, fantards of all 3 companies will always do this kind of crap, par for the course i guess.

[bnaked]

WTF??????

Microsoft should develop games like uncharted 2 and not such a sh!t.. Thats a joke right? Who needs a f*cking 3D-camera?????

[aueslander]

...microsoft make yet another Tomb Raider clone like Uncharted?

[CrazzyMan]

Because, games like Indiana Jones or games based on something like National Treasure will be ALWAYS FUN to play, instead of mindless 3rd person shooters with below average plot.

[Milky]

I think it looks pretty nice, it seems to work very well. Im sure Sony will announce something extremely similar at e3 with the eye toy- maybe an eye toy 3.0 or something. Eyepet and all those games they announced last year are bound to make an appearance.

[ps3d0]

Got to love how stupid the ps3 fanboy are its embarrassing to have to even call them human cause they are so stupid.

"Typical Microsoft. Never innovate, never create original products"

This fanboy is so stupid he cant seem to read more then the headline. MS doesnt make it the zcam 3DV does and they have nothing to do with MS at all. Fluid and MS using this tech is not more then a rumor. If you could read you know the 1st word in the article is "Rumors"

"I played with this tech in an arcade ten years ago. Are we supposed to be dazzled?"

Really you played with zcam 10 years ago ? Thats a nice trick seeing that its still in the development stage.

" Because Uncharted is better, than latest Tomb Raider games
Because, games like Indiana Jones or games based on something like National Treasure will be ALWAYS FUN to play, instead of mindless 3rd person shooters with below average plot."

So you're talking about how great uncharted is while trashing 3rd person shooters when uncharted is a 3rd person shooter.

[Game13a13y]

meh, not impressed at all. i have the "been here done that" feeling while watching the clip. plus, holding your hands in the air where as for the wii you're actually holding a controller in your hand, this eye toy feels alittle bit lame.

[Consoldtobots]

microsoft copying Sony again? yes and water is wet

[edgeofblade]

What gets me steamed is people who naturally assume Microsoft is incapable of being original... that they are doomed by destiny to fail at everything... that it's written in the stars. What a knuckle-headed approach to reality. You fail at rational thought if that's your approach to everything.

I don't quite think you understand everything this peripheral is doing, and if you aren't technically minded, you shouldn't pretend to know. It's mapping the subject in 3d space, rather than merely capturing motion in 2d space, like Eyetoy. If you want a comparison, Eyetoy and Xbox Live Vision are in the same class. All they could detect was the difference in contrast between the edge of your body and the hopefully white wall behind you.

This is COMPLETELY different from eyetoy, and if you can't recognize that, you've got anti-microsoft blinders on. If it uses infared as many sources suggest, lighting and contrast won't matter.

However, I'll be the first to admit I don't see many SOFTWARE applications beyond what Sony and Nintendo have done already. Boxing? Already done. Aerobics? Already done.

What REALLY needs to happen is some sort of application to first person shooters. Imagine this as a means to 3d headtracking-to-view control, like the Johnny Lee videos.

It really scares me that you kids are being bred with this blind adherence to the Sony label and hardly a one of you knows what you're talking about.

[Raoh]

the youtube video was posted January 07, 2008 at CES. it was not running on a console but a computer. this was before microsfot bought the company.

[JustinSaneV2]

That's pretty much what the description says...

[Raoh]

i saw that just making sure the n4g members who dont read the articles know what they are commenting on

i'm not doubting microsofts ability and money to do something with this but people are jumping on this like its a new video

[I did not murder him]

No you did it to try and downplay the news the only people that don't read are PS3 fans when the see 360 news in a hurry to bash. No one said it was running on a console although you are right the point of this is to show off motion tech *now owned by Microsoft* It was a spiteful comment towards the 360. You wanted to nullify the excitement. The 360 (console) wasn't even mentioned only the company that own the tech/company.

[Green Lantern2]

lol this just a tech demo and to me it already killed the wii and the eye toy. I can't wait to use this playing the new Naruto from Ubisoft.

[Blasphemy]

The problem is this won't be practical for all types of games so no this is not a Wii killer.

[Parapraxis]

@Blasphemy ...The Wiimote/nunchuck is not practical for all Wii games.
@Green Lantern2, that was an awfully stupid comment.

[xabmol]

I was just thinking the same exact thing. o.0!

xD

[GiantEnemyCrab]

So how well does this work when I'm 6 feet away from the camera and TV? I don't stand a foot away from my TV when I'm playing.

I guess I will reserve judgment until I see more. I just am not that confident after the Vision Camera promises and knowing how the EyeToy is better and still is disappointing.

[FragMnTagM]

If they used this system along with a controller, it could be truly groundbreaking. You are supposed to be able to shoot, by making your hand into a gun gesture, and using your thumb as the trigger. But I feel this will not replace the controller. You need a trigger or something to hold to give it feeling. I am interested in seeing how this works. Until then, I am reserving judgment.

The eyetoy, and the vision camera are old tech, and they worked okay, so maybe this has something that made the other ones not that great. Let's wait and see.

[NMC2007]

If you people really think this is what MS invested so much money into then I feel sorry for you, MS may be full of shiz sometimes but they are not stupid.

This may be part of it but why not wait until it's unveiled at E3 instead of letting all these dumb ass rumors cloud the site, these sites just want hits, this is why they are posting so much bullshiz lately, because they know people are in E3 mode and very gullible, stop letting yourselves be pissed on and laughed at N4G.

[Shadow Man]

I'm gonna buy it? noo...

But if a gimmick like wii sport can sells millions, so can this.

[blackbeld]

Old tech!!!!

PS2 Eyetoy already done this!!!

C'mon Microsoft.... you can do better then that...

[MGOelite]

all im seeing is a slightly more advandced eye toy, somebody please tell me what im missing

[Chubear]

Yup, the eye toy on the PS2 had a game exactly like that. Regardless, the 360 fanbase will hype this thing to kingdom come. I really was expecting a challenge to the PSI though.

[I did not murder him]

Who fucen cares fanboys Microsoft has the tech now and its better and this stage of it is an year old. Dam you guys are stupid they're just showing that Microsoft has the tech from a video a year old related to E3 speculation.

bu bu bu bu the PS3 bu bu bu the PS2 .

[lord_of_balrogs]

Looks like a hi-def version of the Wii but without waggle.

[PotNoodle]

I hope this sort of control never becomes a primary way of playing games.

I don't know about you lot, but standing infront of my tv waggling a stick around is bad enough (wii), but standing infront of a tv just waving my arms around is even worse.

[OSIRUSSS]

I hope MS is serious about this. It will finally force Sony to to give the EYE more love.

[MetalGearBear]

XBOX360 and PS3 stole idea from Wii
that sad. LOL

[TheMART]

Nope. The Wii itself is sad. Its a supercharged Gamecube.

Every company borrows ideas from others. But as far as I know the Wii doesn't have a motioncam like this.

PS3 borrows from XBL to make PSN, Wii tries to but has a very difficult friend code.

Its some sort of professional EyeToy. Is it the same? No. It has truly 3D motion sensing capture which goes a lot further then what is known till now.

[cryymoar]

the PS3 Eye has always been able to perceive in three dimensions. k thanks bye.

[paskowitz]

meh.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Sony and Microsoft have both showed off videos like this.

They've been doing this for years.

Nothing has come of it yet though.

The Eye is more than capable of this crap. What are they doing?

[xabmol]

I bought the PSEYE because it can do this kind of thing easily. Heck, the EYETOY for the PS2 could have done this, but now with the PS3 we have the power to do altered reality.

Where are the games that take advantage of this hardware?! Come on Sony!! I want a game not a virtual pet. >.<'

Will MS will be the first to give me a real EYETOY game? o.0!?

I guess all we can do now is wait... -_-

[Chubear]

Could have? it already did. There's a PS2 game that's EXACTLY like this. It came out in the early cycle of the PS2, I think 2yrs after launch.

There's is nothing this is doing differently than that game other than it's in higher resolution and current gen graphics.

I don't know if half the gaming community nowadays only started serious gaming in 2005 but anyone who looks at that and is impressed, when the PSI has shown it already out does this cam twice as much, needs to brush up on their gaming history.

[OneShotThrill]

if Microsoft slows the flow of pumping out good titles to try and steal the Wiis bandwagon demographic I will be highly disappointed.

[maverick1191]

erm didnt sony do all this 3d and motion stuff before 360 i think so

[360isgreat]

Thats what you do best. please dont mention the wii when speaking about consoles. Thanks.

[TheMART]

Yes. As PS3 cloned XBL. Or at least it tries to. But it fails.

[SmokingMonkey]

Yes. As M$ cloned the PS2. Or at least it tries to. But it fails.

[dogmeat eater]

PS eye, microsoft fluid. Can you honestly say you've actually used your PS eye or any webcam more the 4 times?

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

- Video Chat at least 3 times a week...

- Use it for a mic on Killzone instead of Bluetooth. (More convenience with multiple people in the room)

- Use it for recording video blogs on facebook, myspace, and other sites.

- Use it to take photos of myself and other random objects and use them as stickers in LBP.

- Use it to create normal videos, stop-motion videos, sound recordings, and pictures of my friends/family and I. (Their called "memories".)

- Use it to leave a voice message for friends.

Yeah...I don't use mine at all.

[KingKionic]

i wonder if they will use this with the motion controller. But it probably wont be needed.

[CobraKai]

I thought this was about the game Prototype and how fluid it was. Consider me disappointed.

[PinkUni]

its a white guy beating up a black guy

silly white people...

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

: )

[Consoldtobots]

the funny thing is I have dealt and have seen dealt ass whoopings to disrespectful black guys that really believed the stereotype that we can't fight.

[Vip3r]

Aww...

[KwietStorm_BLM]

looks real fun......................

[theox2g7]

can you imagine how the comments section would look like if it was the exact same story but substitute Microsoft for Sony?

Comment 1
ZOMG, that was amazing
45 agrees, 2 disagrees

Comment 2
M$$ sucks, this is true innovation
16 agrees, 1 disagree

Comment 3
really?
really? now that's it?
am i supposed to be impressed? it really just seems like the eye toy

so many people on the internet were making it sound like it was going to be godly?
i dunno if this is even the official thing or not but it doesn't really impress if you ask me
1 agree, 47 disagrees

etc. you get the point

[bigjclassic]

and I hope that this is it. MS bought them recently and are probably making the ZCam with some type of intuitive device. Wii killer, LMAO!!
But I good try none the less.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Show me one quote from MS saying "Wii Killer".

Otherwise you are just spitting up the same crap you read on the internet by over sensational gaming websites.

EDIT: Yeah, disgree and not provide a quote. Puss.

[Kurylo3d]

This is awesome!!! Its the next step.. NO CONTROLLER, cant compare wii boxing with no controller interactivity.. the dude is boxing a virtual person... based on it detecting what movements he does... his hands ... his face... bobbing and weaving... i mean damn its the next step!

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

The PSN never really copied the XBL, the reason why I say that is because it would be naturale to have a some kind of service/network running on any current gen console due to the high demands of the public. It's what people want today. You do know that all these major companies study what their consumers/public in general want for years even before they release their products such as the PS3, Wii & the 360

[mushroomwig]

Achievement say hi? Lol no, Ratchet and Clank had in-game achievements long before Microsoft implemented the idea.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

LOL! I've heard some bold face lies from the Sony boys but damn this one has to take the cake!!!

Are you really comparing some lame skill points from a Ratchet game and trying to say that's where MS got the idea of a universal achievement system that spans the entire library of 360 games?

Really??

[All-3]

Funny that you say the above... tell everyone what Sony's trophy system brings to games that is all that different from Microsoft's achievements?

Do trophies --> UNLOCK --> in-game cheats and unlocks over and above anything that achievements do?

BTW --> The main idea behind BOTH --> achievements and trophies are to do things "above and beyond" the base game. Do you even understand what you're talking about?

Also... there are MANY examples of games that have --> UNLOCKS <-- for getting certain achievements/and/or/trophies. So what was your point again????

[thegood33]

Achievements are totally different you fools. It is an online system of displaying everything you have 'achieved' within your gaming career for that system. Someone could look at your tag and see every game you played, whether or not you beat it etc...

That was just a lame attempt to keep from admitting the truth that trophys are a blatant...I repeat BLATANT ripoff of the achievement system.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Don't bother.. They are too gone.. Definately a steaming pile of bull sh*t if I ever read it.

They can twist things so good that they can convince themselves Sony didn't rip-off achievements and actually invented them.

[thegood33]

LOL,Oh, c'mon, everything about the ps3 and thier online is a ripoff of live. Trophys, demos, your wannabe vanilla ice marketplace, home, friends list, basically anything that requires an internet connection was straight up ripped from the box. Try and talk yourself out of it, go ahead...you always do...

LOL that ratchet and clank skill point thing has got to be the funniest thing I ever heard. I played the ratchet and clanks numerous times. And while it had neat unlockables and cute things of that nature, it didn't have any sort of achievement system like the xbox.

[keysy420]

that doesnt seem more accurate then the wii mote why should anyone buy this

[ssipmraw]

microsoft is trying to digitally ejaculate on its botz

[fossilfern]

ffs is this it ? MS are a bit behind the eye toy was out on the PS2 originally.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

I'm in the market for some Eye Toy games.

Which one should I get?

What is the boxing title called for the PS3?

Any game where I use full body motion to control my character.

[shadow2797]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Rourker]

not fascinating at all.

[ApocalypseShadow]

a better video of sony's "ps2 boxing game"

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

as for microsoft's possible fluid camera,i'm actually looking forward to a possible war of cameras.if microsoft has pushed sony in making a better online experience,then i hope they push sony to make me more camera games but for ps3 and the pseye.

i actually think this tech has potential for cool future applications.if microsoft does it,then i might get this from sony

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

apocalypse...................

[aldesko]

haha, that video is awesome... especially at 0:20.

[volcane]

This looks like you would only be able to have a single player, whereas on Wii a lot of people seem to like it due to the party factor.

[Argento-Nox]

I have to agree, the multi-player aspect for the Wii is what makes it fun. I just can't picture my nieces picking up a 360 nor a PS3 for single player motion based games.

[aldesko]

I think this could attract some of the casual market if MS makes some good games that use it... maybe include it with the game(s) in every console.

[Droid Control]

all i'm seeing is a childish eye toy.

FRAK this sh!t!

[Mr Fancy Pants]

PSN and XBL are vastly different in performance and interface but this "Microsoft Fluid Prototype" is just the same sh1t as an eye toy! MS did the same thing with the game LIPS. They just copied the exact same thing as the game Singstar but changed the name to LIPS!

They don't even take the time to make things a little bit original like Sony when they stole the analog sticks from Nintendo. Sony added a second one and that's what you use on your precious Xbox to play the all-mighty Halo and what made FPS to work on consoles. =)

I know that it is a common strategy to copy the competition when they are successful on something but what M$ does are shameless rip-offs...

[Condemnedman]

I just love the way trolls on here will dis anything to do with Microsoft if it was for the ps3 it would be "wow it the mutts nuts" (yes i know the Playstation has this already) if you don like Microsoft then go away and don't troll here if only Playstation had a community like live you wouldn't be so wound up?

yes this is not ground breaking news but it does give the current owners of the 360 to try this sort of thing.

[badbond1]

He moved like a beotch!

[Model]

another gimmick...

[ichimaru]

to the above, why would micrsoft make a game like uncharted, that has nothing to do with this! one i've played the first and it was OK, two i don't pay $60 for cosmetics, i pay $60 to enjoy games that i like, great online service and agood times playing wiht friends( or pwning at parties). are u guys so insecure with ur $600 dollar purchase of ur japanese idols that u have to shoot down every attempt of someone looking foward to a game on a different console? lol n4g cracks me up. actually i take that back, becuase some people have fully developed frontal lobes, soory for those guys. el oh el, the mainpage :P

[Dannehkins]

I absolutely love how people have derailed this article through the constant immature and ignorant spamming of 'fanboy' and 'SDF' throughout this.

Honestly, is this what your life consists of? Accusing someone of being a fanboy because they didn't like this product or compared to another companies product?

I suggest anyone who posts, they resist the urge to mention Sony or EyeToy. It seems to upset people that you compare products or mention a name. Additionally, do not criticise Microsofts products because of your OWN OPINION. They don't like that either.

[N4realGMRZ]

gaming industry has fallen flat on its ass......i will pass on this one....next plz...

[Gr81]

attempting to outdo the EyeToy..not gonna happen.

[djtek184]

Been there done that..typical of M$... no innovations at all.. Thank god I never bought a 360.