Independent Wii developement "not really justified" says id CEO

id Software, the original creators of the DOOM and QUAKE series is famous for kick-starting the FPS genre. But what do they think of the Wii??

[ChickeyCantor]

o shut your face and bring doom I and II to Wiiware.
the IR would work brilliantly, i mean if you make it for a HD console, why not for a Wiiware platform? it can't get more pixelated as it is.

[SinnedNogara]

If they re-released DOOM 3 with online modes, Wii Remote support, Classic Controller support, and Wii Download Tickets for Doom 1 and Doom 2, that would be awesome.

[RememberThe357]

But no one would buy it.

[TheIneffableBob]

They could probably release Doom 3 on the Wii, but it would likely look worse than the Xbox version. The Wii doesn't have the hardware features to use Doom 3's shadowing system. At least that's what I read.

[FarEastOrient]

Well look at "The Conduit" it doesn't look better than Halo on Xbox (1) or Black, Killzone (1), and Medal of Honor(s) on PS2.

Now Dead Space for the Wii will be considered an independent project but I wonder how successful that one will be when the games that sell on the Wii are created by Nintendo, not third-party companies.

[- Ghost of Sparta -]

The Conduit is, from a technical standpoint, way better looking than Halo 3 so I don't know why you're denying it.

[ChickeyCantor]

" n the games that sell on the Wii are created by Nintendo, not third-party companies."

Its amazing how people think every damn game on the Ps2 sold around 100 million while in fact a normal amount is around 1 to 2 million.
Many third party games sold a million.

seriously the ignorance needs to stop.

[TheColbertinator]

I could understand that move by Id.They cater to a very hardcore group of the FPS genre which is why their games always lead on PC.

[TheIneffableBob]

They don't seem to be doing that with Rage, though. They say their primary platform is the Xbox 360--for what reason, I don't know. id have actually went on record to say that the 360 version would be inferior to the PC, Mac, and PS3 versions because of the storage medium.

[Smacktard]

I can understand their reasoning. No hardcore FPS mature games have really sold well on the Wii (CoD excluded I guess) and they don't want to take the chance. At least High Voltage is. Maybe that'll get them to change their minds.

[Ju]

"no hardcore fps". aehem, which 3rd party game actually sold on the Wii ? No Mario, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Zelda or whatever Nintendo throws at the market, but the remaining 3rd party - which is not a spin off of any PS3/360 game. With an install base greater then the 360, you'd assume Boom Blox would outsell KZ2. That's what he's basically saying. No need to add "hardcore FPS" here.

[N4g_null]

I'm curious what make blom blox better than any most of the top selling games on the Wii?

id admitted they need tech to look good. They never made arcade games or true console games. Even HD tech is old news to them.

[360Hater]

at least its selling? lol great.... Glad I didnt waste 300 on that stupid thing

[Seferoth75]

No just wasted 600 on a movie player that is gimped. Great choice.

[Anon1974]

I don't even know why you bother. No one, and I mean no one, could possibly take comments like that seriously.

I personally did waste $400 on the Wii and after a year of having it collect dust despite owning some of the best reviewed games in years I couldn't bring myself to play. Thankfully I found another sucker, I mean, co-worker, who was looking for a Wii before Christmas and I happily sold him mine.

The main problem for me was the controller. I couldn't stand it. As a gamer I don't need to point my controller at the screen the entire time I'm playing. Could you imagine how irritating a PC would be to use if you had to point your mouse at the screen the entire time to move your cursor around? Madness, in my opinion.

It's underpowered, overpriced and the lack of HD is unacceptable at this stage in the game.

There. See how it's done. I offered an opinion and gave examples to back it up. Care to explain your opinion?
Bet you can't.

[Jadaking]

Why is it that the Wii's 3rd games sell like crap when theres almost 50 million people that own it?

[Smacktard]

...They don't sell like crap.

Boom Blox and de Blob are nearing or have passed 1 million units.
RE4 has sold around 2 million.
No More Heroes is Suda's best selling game and made the producers "weep with joy"
Apparently CoD:WaW is doing well too (don't have the numbers -- just wiki them)
Okami sold better or near the same on the Wii as it did on the PS2.

The thing with Wii games is that they have "legs." They may not sell 500,000 the first week, but their sales are pretty consistent.

[SinnedNogara]

Ubisoft succeeded with Red Steel, which sold like around 2 million. Umbrella Chronicles sold 1.24 million (or around there). The Force Unleashed sold 1.18 million units.

[Jadaking]

You named like 5 games that havent passed the 3 million, when theres a 50 million install base. Im not tryin to be a prick about the wii, I want a wii but I just its wierd that most of all of their 3rd party games dont sell as well as the first party which are crazy sellers

[ChickeyCantor]

Well ps2 has 150 million plus....
I don't see those numbers either...especially not if you consider okami.

Yes people lets put more accent on the Wii, because 3rd part games "don't" sell.

=/....

[Smacktard]

The thing is, Wii games don't need "3 million sales" to be considered a success. Nor do they need sales relevant in relation to the install base. They need sales based on the cost of production of a game for the Wii, which is a lot less than the PS3 or 360. I just think it's kind of funny that de Blob definitely made a way higher profit than Killzone 2. Might be because de Blob tried to do something new and fun.

[Ju]

BTW: Every iPhone puzzle game makes more profit. Just a random thought.

[SinnedNogara]

The PS2 sold 150 million (WHOA!!) and the greatest game sold 11 million (GTA: San Andreas).

150 m - 11 m = 139 milllion PS2 users who don't own that game.

[hatchimatchi]

The fact that you guys keep bringing up the ps2 shows that you guys are always on the defense about the wii. The guy asked a legitimate question about 3rd party titles not selling as well on the wii, there's no need to bring up a decade old console. sheesh

As for red steel hitting the 2 million mark, thats a given. It was the only fps out at launch and the game is broken as hell. Ubisoft knew exactly what they were doing that's why they rushed the game to meet the launch date of the wii. That's also why i don't support ubisoft.

[N4g_null]

Jadaking that is a very interesting question. How many HD games sold over 3 million and how many have sold as many as the top games on the Wii? Then ask your self what is the over all link to low sells. 3rd parties......

You will see most of them are struggling on all systems. It's so bad that resell is causing the HD game to have no legs at all. Now think about this.... why would Wii games have legs and actually reach a million sells. What are the main differences here.

Most Wii games have no community hype at all. So when people play them and like them they tell people. Yet with the HD console people come over and don't even want to try the game some times. Better yet it's very hard to just sit there and watch some one play an HD game.

Then on top of that the 3rd parties are still wrapped up in trying to turn a profit from the HD console since they have invested so much. Some of them just have artist that simply can not operate with out normal maps.

Back on subject though. Your not being a prick you just don't know what you want. You don't buy a Wii just to have one you buy it for a game or a bunch of games. If there is nothing you want then don't get one. If you are a gamer that needs hype then maybe the Wii is not for you but as a gamer that loves games you may want to give some of it's games a try.

Also be sure to play quake live online it's actually free to download, plays a lot like the old ones and it will show you why people use to love id and why people still like nintendo.... game play, yes it's that simple.

[cmacdonald]

Madworld NPD numbers will shock and awe.

or not

[Seferoth75]

Considering they've never made a Wii game I doubt they can be saying this from experience. Not like we need them on WIi since they've only managed to repackage their 1 hit 4 times.

AS far as software sales go that isnt an issue. Only fanboys or fools are still bringing it up.

Ps3 is the only console with problems selling 3rd party games. Most of the most wanted games have been or are coming from Sony. Cant make that same claim for Wii though.

[hatchimatchi]

why do you take this stuff so seriously?

It's really pathetic.

You can rant and rave all you want about the wii but what it comes down to is personal preference. I had a wii for 2 years. Those 2 years i played maybe 4 games. The rest of the time i was just waiting for games to come out, and then usually when they did i was disappointed. I then went out and bought a ps3 last october. I own 22 games, 11 of them exclusive. Guess which system i play the most? the ps3 has reminded me why i enjoyed videogames. I'll always love nintendo systems cause of the mario's and zeldas, but it's too unreliable for 3rd party support, 9 out of 10 games are absolute garbage.

For someone who hates sony an awful lot it's funny that your name sounds real similar to an iconic villian whose game was on the playstation...

[Seferoth75]

Please stop crying to me over your console being a complete POS in last place.. Funny how you do nothing but trash Nintendo yet I'm sure like any good fanboy you think it is me that is hating for pointing out fact.
I get to have my opinion based on facts as much as you get your opinion based of mindless trolling and your hate for a company you have never supported. So please stop crying over it and move on with life.

Poor little fanboy... Cant stand when someone does his company the way he does others.

My "hate for Sony" doesnt exist. Only fanboys would take the things I say which are 100% true as anything negative. Then again you ARE a fanboy so you must defend facts. However it is wrong of any one to defend against the made up BS you fanboys want to bring up?

Sorry but I have as much right to call you out on your bias fanboy rants as I do to post the truth. Sure the Sony mods can keep banning me because of multi account morons like you that want to report me every 5 minutes but I'm not going anywhere.

Oh and in case you forgot you and all your other alt accounts are on ignore. SO wet yourself all you want to, cry about it all you want. Wont bother me because I cant see a bit of the dribble coming out of your overly ignorant fanboy mouth. Oh but please continue to think I hate Sony for knowing they are in last place. While you continue to troll the Wii news with your made up news. Doesnt change the FACT your console is in last place getting played about as much as the original xbox... No wonder you are so angry. Must be hard being 12 and not knowing how to vent your frustration at being on the losing team. Nintendo fanboys were just as bad when Sony took over so its nothing new. I'm just glad I am a gamer and not a fanboy like you. I couldnt stand spending more time defending the PS3 and trashing other console than I do actually playing my console.

[Anon1974]

Any gamer could tell you that no console out there is a POS. They all have their own qualities that will appeal to different gamers. The PS3 is hands down the best, most fully featured console of the bunch, and it's obvious that people get it because people have been buying it much faster than they ever bought the 360, despite the current economic slowdown and price point. When you have a look at how many consoles the 360 moved in the same time as the PS3, the PS3 is still 3 million consoles ahead. That's just fact.

As for you now hating Sony, you're posting history says otherwise. I happen to be in the same boat as hatchimatchi. I had my Wii since launch and never played it, instead choosing my 360 and PS3 for my gaming. I just sold it to a co-worker before Christmas, and now he's not playing it.

Also - I'd love to see you back up those "facts" of yours. PS3 not moving 3rd party software? Ubisoft, Activision, EA, Take Two, etc... their finacials all show the same thing. Despite the PS3 having the smallest user base by far, it's bringing in revenue almost equal with the other guys. How can that be if the PS3 has issues moving software?
I'd love to see your answer for that. You anti-Sony nutters love to say Sony fans can't deal with the facts, and yet when asked to back them up they never can. Typical.