Did Microsoft Blow $50 Million?

"If you did not know, Microsoft announced at E3 2007 that their version of Grand Theft Auto IV on the Xbox 360 will receive exclusive DLC that the PlayStation 3 version will not be getting. Microsoft paid a whopping $50 million just as a down payment to keep this exclusive. At this time no one but Rockstar knew what this DLC would be and what it would add to the game. Well, now we have all seen the trailer for the new DLC and if you have not, the video is below. It is basically going to add a whole new storyline and allow you to take control of a new character and will be titled "The Lost and the Damned World". Microsoft also announced the surprising cost of $19.99. At this point, without a doubt it seems like a steal but will it be worth the millions for Microsoft? Please read the article and leave a comment with your thoughts."

-TheGamerAccess.com

[Graphics Whore]

Good article, it touches on the basis of what we were all thinking.

In hindsight did they throw away $50 million? yes. For the price of one full original or sequel IP, they chose DLC. That is a waste.

[JhawkFootball06]

This DLC is not worth 50 million

[chaosatom]

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[PimpHandHappy]

your wrong

it was worth every penny to have EVERY magazine and website saying the 360 GTA was the one to get because of DLC!

THATS A FACT

[f789790]

I'll take the game any day over DLC.

[tatotiburon]

according to IGN: "Downloadable content is about to get a major kick in the ass. The release of GTA IV: The Lost and Damned on February 17 is going to change the way people think about DLC"

"While The Lost & Damned features the same gameplay mechanics and storytelling style of GTA IV, it is as close to a full new game as I've seen for "add-on content." "

The game will have huge sales and probably outsold any full retail game this firts semester...so yes it worth it.

[IzKyD1331]

Everyone with an Arcade 360 can't buy it anyway cause they're missing a hard drive, everyone lacking an Xbox Live Gold membership can't buy it, all the casual GTA fans won't buy it, even a large number of hardcore GTA fans won't shell out 20 bucks for 10 hours of gameplay.......case and point, one of the stupidest moves Microsoft made in 2008.
50 million can get you like 3 exclusives, but no, spend it on DLC for a game everyone stopped playing a freaking year ago

[Rhoic]

Why did tato get so many disagrees? No one responded to him or even told him why. Are people seriously that biased? This is more than just DLC. In fact, this is what DLC should be. This adds 10-20 hours of a new story, new weapons, vehicles, etc. for $19.99. That's more than what you get from a retail game. In every category.

Also, there's still another DLC in the works for the Xbox 360.

[navyguy21]

For the last time, it that 50 million was a LOAN that MS made to Rockstar!!!! and conditions of that LOAN were to provided the 2 expansions as form of repayment. if the 2 expansions combined dont make 50million, then rockstar has to REPAY microsoft the difference, if it exceeds 50million (which it will) then after the 50million, the standard fee (70% developer/30% Microsoft) applies. Microsoft didnt blow anything because they didnt stand to lose a dime!!!

http://www.edge-online.com/...

[Fat Bastard]

They did stand to lose a dime. I read the article you posted and basically Microsoft paid $50 million to make the DLC exclusive. Microsoft will start making 30% of whatever DLC sells, but that won't even come close to making up for what they spent. Rockstar isn't giving Microsoft the first $50 million they make. Basically Rockstar may end up with close to $80 million dollars because of this deal, and Microsoft will have lost like $40 million.

[navyguy21]

read the article again, it clearly states "If revenues don't meet that figure, Take-Two will have to return some of the advance" then it goes on to say "What Microsoft did was pay a $50 million advance," he said, much in the same way a big-name author receives a payment in advance of his or her next book.

In other words, Microsoft is confident that Take-Two's portion of the revenue generated by GTA IV content downloads will surpass the $50 million advance paid.

"Microsoft basically said that it's happy to pay [Take-Two] in advance $50 million in revenue that [Take-Two] is going to receive from GTA IV downloads," he said.

Microsoft takes about a 30 percent cut from Xbox Live Marketplace content sales, according to Pachter.

Taking that 70/30 split (publisher/Microsoft) and the $50 million advance into account, Microsoft is apparently confident that GTA IV download revenues over Xbox Live will be at least $70 million." So AFTER the 50mil, the regular fee applies.

[BattleAxe]

Microsoft Blows.................50 million dollars

[JOEdANGEL]

You keep saying DLC like its a piddly little thing. The truth is, these days, most game "expansions" are arriving via download. This isn't an extra map or some horse armor for crying out loud, its a full fledged expansion. Just because you obtain it by downloading it, doesn't change that fact.

As for $50 million being worth it? I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Personally, I wish Microsoft hadn't done that, seeing as how i have the PS3 version.

[Bloodwar]

Everyone is fighting over GTA IV? What the hell for? I am going to buy BOTH expansion packs that only us Xbox 360 owners are going to get. PS3 fanboys and trolls need to go and pay some attention to the PS3 related n4g news. Move on, there is nothing to see here. I am not trolling around. Show a little respect. If you are so jealous, go buy yourself a fricken 360 and stfu.

Thank you.

[jammy_70]

the fact is its boring and i cant really see anybody wanting to go back to it and for ps3 owners killzone 2 just kills it!

[barom]

I believe the 50$ million is not just for the DLC but to make it go multiplatform. A wise move from MS even if it doesn't seem so atm. GTA IV would've been a huge system seller for Sony had it been a PS3 exclusive. Even if most of us think it was disappointing, it was with no doubt one of the most anticpated if not the most anticpated game for all consoles. MS paying even 50$ million dollars for DLC would even give consumers a big incentive to buy their version, thereby neutralizing any potential PS3 buyers.

Of course it turned out (in the US anyway) that GTA IV was not the system seller everyone thought it was (either that or people who wanted it already bought a console). Nevertheless I think MS was successful in neutralizing PS3 sales, I mean how many 360 owners would've bought a PS3 to play GTA IV (before knowing how the actual product was). I think quite a few especially if Sony would've bundled them like they did MGS4 (which on a sidenote proved to be a big system seller).

[gaffyh]

Completely not worth it, I don't want to buy and play DLC for a sh*t game. MS could have used that money to fund a game at Killzone 2's level, but no they got rid of Ensemble instead.

[Saint Sony]

Can't wait for this. Lucky I have both consoles, I can laugh to people at Killzone2 multiplayer (and story, thanks to mediocre AI) and relax with GTA4 DLC. Good to be gamer.

ps. This DLC will easily bring the 50 million back. 360 userbase and GTA4 player base is enormous.

[gaffyh]

@Saint Sony - Welcome to 2 years ago, KZ2 had bad AI because it was in Pre-Beta, all journalists have now said that the AI is fantastic. Also everyone who's played KZ1 say it had a very good story, so I don't see how KZ2 can be worse?

Are you TheMart's bastard Child?

[YonasJonas]

@Saint Sony- Just from a quick read back of your fanboyish comments I'd say you don't own a Ps3. I do however own both, and I could care less about GTA4 let alone dlc. Killzone 2 however is most likely going to take up a lot of my time this year.

[Saint Sony]

Again you Gaffyh know what all the media in this world writes.

How about:

Cons:
- no co-op
- sometimes not natural scripts (again :)
- mediocre AI

One of the first reviews that has come so far states already mediocre AI.

Denial is bad for you.

[skimming]

My understanding is that the $50 mil is guarentee money that MS put up for delivering DLC.

Proceeds from DLC sales will go first to MS until the $50 mil is "repaid" and then any leftovers will go to R*. This spans both episodes.

This arrangement minimizes risk for R* and maximizes value for MS.

MS did not give free money to R*. They did provide a free loan and some risk assumption though; it does mean that MS will promote the hell out of it so they can get their money back. A $1 in marketing will directly net them $x (hopefully x>1) in return meaning that they'll do their best.

And it ends up being a great deal for R* and MS as they don't have to cut the retailers and other distribution costs in the revenue stream (saving to estimate about 35%).

More indication of future game distribution patterns.

[Nineball2112]

This might have been a way for Microsoft to try and "push" the concept of digital downloads.

That's what this is basically. A full game that people are buying and they only way to get it is with a DD.

Maybe this wasn't the entire purpose of this, but it does help get more people accustom to the idea of buying games without having the hard copy of it.

[s droid]

although the money could've funded a new i.p, i think microsoft were more concerned with the game going ps3 exclusive, hence the large sum for mere expansions.

if it had gone sony exclusive, it would've cost microsoft alot more than $50 mil in the long run. if some of the members on here looked at it that way, instead of looking at it from the usual fanboy perspective, there would be no need for these silly non-news threads.

[gaffyh]

@Saint Sony - Ok lol I'll admit I'm a little too liberal with the use of the word "everyone", but that's just because of where I grew up, the word is used pretty liberally and means "most people", but I don't expect you to understand this dialectical difference, so I apologise. But you constantly go on about having a PS3, so why don't you wait and play KZ2 before you judge it.

Personally i'd rather have the game earlier than wait until they implement co-op, which could easily be implemented via downloadable patch (but i doubt they will bother). Anyway i don't see how anyone could compare having GTA4 DLC, with having a new exclusive for 360 with KZ2 production qualities? There's something seriously wrong with you if you don't want more great games to play, but rather play an old crappy game. BTW I have the 360 version of GTA4, but I will not be buying the DLC, for a couple of reasons

1. It's too expensive, $20 for DLC?
2. GTA4 was one of the biggest disappointments ever, why would I go back to playing that POS, but all the xbox fanboys will disagree with this statement because the game has DLC on their console. The same way if KZ2 was on their console exclusively they would be singing it's praises endlessly. Gotta love that hypocrisy. But PS3 fanboys do it as well, so I don't blame you.

[lessthanmarcus]

interesting situation. I bought GTAIV for PS3 knowing it would get DLC on the 360. I also bought Fallout 3 but for the 360 knowing it would get DLC. Probably did that knowing GTA DLC would suck

[KRUSSIDULL]

Well they will make about 5 million back by sales so they only wasted 45 million ;)

[JHUX]

Personally Microsoft should have used that money for another exclusive game, seeing how a lot of the hardcore gtafans (or exhardcore gtafans I should say), probably won't be as interested as they were after playing the game itself. I personally have no interest, and not because I'm a fanboy, due to the fact that GTAIV was the biggest disappointment in 08(for me). And no, I am not a fanboy, that is my opinion, and think the money would of been very well spent elsewhere (new exclusive game), especially now looking at the line up this year for Microsoft compared to Sony. There are so many other games coming out this year (many is actually an understatement) that I would much rather play than DLC.

And Saint Sony If you read that stuff about the "mediocre AI", then you would know it was a bad translation and was "average AI", talking about your friendly's, not the enemy AI. Also the developer played it on Normal. It amazes me how biased you are, yet have that many bubbles, then the fact you call other people fanboys is laughable. When you state other people are jealous, look how you come off about KZ2, very funny.

^^My Opinion^^.

[jessupj]

A lot of sources say Killzone 2's budget is around the 40 - 45 million mark.

Would you rather and completely new IP in the same calibur of quality as Killzonw 2

OR

So my question to you guys. Would you rather this add on for an old game?

Hit agree for killzone 2 and disagree for the add on. (but anyone that disagrees in my opinion has no sense of reality and has the worst taste in gaming or just a fanboy)

[Nathan Drake]

50 Million Dollars is literally nothing to Microsoft,they've spent much MUCH more on useless things(Seinfeld Vista Campaign,launching an MP3 player called the "Zune" or something like that,etc).So asking whether or not Microsoft blew money isn't the right way to tackle the issue,asking whether or not the DLC will be worth gamers time and money is what we should be looking into/discussing.

Personally,I'm not going to bother with this DLC at launch since GTA4 was a very disappointing and under-delivering experience,once the price comes down to $10 I'll consider getting it.

[BRG9000]

Agreeing with your first paragraph Nathan, not the second.

As the article discusses, it's important to consider a lot more than how much revenue these two DLCs is going to make Microsoft. Even if they make $10 per sale, it's unlikely they'll take in 50 mil from this. But the exclusivity probably swayed a lot of people to buy the game for 360 over PS3. It probably even played a factor in some people's minds when they were deciding which console to buy for GTA4. Whether it was worth it could be debated into the ground, but it's about far more than just selling these two DLC episodes.

[BrianC6234]

This isn't a good time to say $50 million is nothing to Microsoft. Sure it's something. They're laying off thousands of employees. If they could get that money back maybe they could save at least some of those jobs.

[rko_kero]

@ BRG9000,

You dont have to own GTA4 to buy the DLC.

[StayHigh]

"50 Million Dollars is literally nothing to Microsoft"

wow such a stupid statement you xboxfanboys dont know the value of a dollar that why you guys end up with an poorly made system.

I don't care how much money Microsoft have because if you dont spend it wisely it be gone in a blink of a eye..The rich stay richer by being smart with the money..

[Clopsy]

@StayHigh

Actually look at the person's name and history. Notice his name is Nathan Drake. That first gives a sign that he is not a 360 fanboy. He actually isn't even a ps3 fanboy either. He is simply stating that Microsoft has thrown away tons of money before. Such as his examples.

[IronAva]

I do not think the 50 million was just for DLC. I think part of that was to sweeten the deal to get the game on the system. If you take a step back and think about it, Take 2 needs money and what better way to get it then to agree to a small(large) donation from Microsoft.

[00]

let them spend their money how they want and on whatever they want.

[darthv72]

To break even they need to sell 2.5 million copies. How many copies of gta4 have been sold on the 360 worldwide? Will there be 2.5 million (or more) people willing to dl this new content?

[Harryhit4]

Don't forget about the second DLC pack.

[SynGamer]

I surprisingly think the DLC will sell well over time. Castle Crashers sold over a million i believe and it cost 1200 MS points ($15) and it only took a few hours to beat. The GTA IV DLC is adding roughly 12+ hours of story to play through...so i could see this selling well, over a million, but perhaps not quite the 2.5 that MS needs for it to break even. And that's assuming MS gets 100% of the profits from the DLC, which i don't think it is...

[pwnsause]

theres no doubt it will sell well, but still, that money could of been used for a new IP.

[IronAva]

I think Microsoft got what they wanted out of this deal. They got the next big GTA game day and date with Playstation 3 that is all that matters to them. The song "Anything you can do I can do better" comes to mind.

One other thing, back in the day when it was Nintendo and Sony people had a fit that all Nintendo had was 1st and 2nd party companies making games for them. Sony was king becaues they had massive 3rd party support. Now that Sony is on the 1st and 2nd party kick and Mircosoft is on the 3rd party kick, its all of a sudden uncool. I am not trying to start a flame war as I have both systems and I play any and everything that "I" like. (see what I did there).

People play games not systems

GT/PSN: IronAvatar

[DJ]

No matter what the sales are, Rockstar has been compensated immensely, so it's no loss for them. But Microsoft doesn't receive all $20 for every copy that's sold.

But I'm sure at least 3 or 4 million will download the DLC, so long as it truly is Standalone (doesn't require GTA IV Disc).

[JOEdANGEL]

Yeah they probably could have invested in a new IP but that doesn't guarantee that it would succeed. Most new IPs these days haven't been doing too well. If they spent $50 million on a new IP that flops, that gets them nowhere. Instead they invested in a proven franchise, that while not guaranteeing profit, is a far less risky venture in an unstable economy.

[INehalemEXI]

If it is standalone I might would get it for my 360 except I don't have room on the HDD... :( got to upgrade one of these days.

[Playa7970]

they ruined the game and nobody plays it anymore and yes MS blew the money on something stupid

[NewZealander]

i agree they blew alot of money on GTA, i would have liked to see that money go into getting some quality exclusive titles for 2009.

but there are people who still play GTA and are looking forward to the DLC, my brother is going to get it when it comes out, hes verry old skool when it comes to gameing, he plays what he wants and doesnt care if its AAA and he has absolutley no idea about fanboys or the crazy console wars that go on on the internet.

so i guess some people will be interested in the DLC, i was never a fan of the game so in my eyes it really is alot of cash thats mostly gone down the drain.

[GiantEnemyLobster]

That $50 million helped secure the winning number of copies sold per console. Xbox 360 sold way more than ps3 (as usual).

People think that they are going to make up this money from the DLC. WRONG. The downloadable content could be free for all Microsoft cares, Rockstar are the ones who will be profiting from it.

The Lost and Damned: EXCLUSIVELY on Xbox 360.

[lokiroo420]

Your wrong gotscrabs, gamestop will be profiting of this dlc not MS, took too long sorry.

[Stubacca]

I loved GTA. It was the very definition of log-lasting appeal. I was so excited I bought GTAIV at midnight ans enjoyed the hell outta it for about a week. Then it got weak. It lacked any longevity and that's what sucks.

Even this DLC couldn't save what anyone can see is a limited game. It's got some great ideas but for all the stuff they took out from San Andreas (customisation, jets, number of vehicles etc.), they shoulda made up for it with more things to do. I'm much more excited in a next-gen version of Vice City.

[GiantEnemyLobster]

FAIL. Gamestop will be profiting from this? How so? Because they're selling the Lost and Damned download keys? That is pretty much just like a 1600 point MS card. I could go to walmart and buy that and then download it from Xbox Live. So explain to me again how Gamestop is profiting? idiot

[lokiroo420]

You need a disc to play the game you fvcking loser, how about keeping the name calling down when your lost in the dark.

[Why dis]

People don't even know what was involved or what the content is or will be to be asking that question lol.

The first DLC pak will sell more than most full games period.

Even asking this suggest a sort of sour grapes stance.

GTA is very popular it is likely a large chunk of the current owners of the title will buy the DLC lol.

[Anon1974]

Oblivion moved 2.6 million copies on the 360 and we can safely say that's pretty popular. The DLC, Shivering Isles sold 200,000. That's only about 7% of people who bought the original buying the expansion pack.

Now I suppose if GTA's downloadable content sells similarly they might be able to do 500,000 downloads over the next year or so but considering my local EB games could open up a separate store to sell used copies of GTA4 on the 360 I don't know how realistic that expectation is.

[Rhoic]

Oblivion shined on the PC... 360? Not so much. It did average in average 360 software sales lol.

[Anon1974]

Oblivion sold over 2.5 million units on the 360. Out of the 550 games out for the 360, only 26 have ever broke the 2 million mark. That's only 5% of 360 games that ever break 2 million, and Oblivion is one of them.

You need a bit of perspective, my friend.

[Kinetix]

If I had 50 million dollars... I would invest it in lottery tickets.

[Synex]

Why doesn't this make sense to me?

[duplissi]

so you would spend 50 mil in order to win like 40 -50 mil oh and minus taxes. good thought process there

[PotNoodle]

That $50m could of been put towards their lacking first party support.

[Why dis]

Yeah because that 50 mill was the only cash MSFT has/had to play with.

Don't you have more important things to worry about like the gap between consoles?

[PotNoodle]

Did i say anything about games?

I'm just saying that the money could of better gone into development of first party support.

I said nothing about how many games the 360 has now or are coming.

Do you not have anything better to do than jump into defend consoles at the slightest wiff of negativity?

[ultimolu]

DeathROW, don't mind Why_dis. He has issues apparently. He would rather play the same rehashed games over and over again than to have new games, of which pushes a console to it's limits.

[JOEdANGEL]

could "have" ; not "could of"

sorry man its just starting to bug me

[shawnsl65]

it is "it's" not "its"

:)

on topic, 50mil.. $_$

[madmike]

then maybe your killzone 2 will sell. i mean no midnight launch what the fu.k. o yes loving the new ads for killzone what ads excactly.ps why dont your sdf take a break and have a kitkat.

[PotNoodle]

My killzone 2? Who says i would even buy it? Who says i even have a PS3?

Am i not allowed to be a fan of the 360 and say bad things about microsoft?

[dukadork2]

most of that money went into the original game.

therefore, on behalf of all ps3 fans:

THANK'S A LOT XB!TCHES

[poindat]

Agh, I don't know what is right anymore. I retracted my original statement, and now I'm retracting the statement that replaced it.

Sorry.

:)

[SynGamer]

I thought GTA IV was rumored to have cost roughly $100 million between the 360 and PS3 version. Granted, Rockstar laid a lot of foundation work with GTA IV which should make their next game easier to develop, but i still see GTA IV or whatever it's called to cost between $50-$75 + marketing. Games these size take a while to create, which is where a lot of the money goes to (especially if you have upwards of 300+ staff).

[BrianC6234]

I say they did blow the money. Isn't $50 million enough to make a couple good games? It didn't get me to buy a 360. It's just DLC and GTA IV wasn't that good. Maybe if it turned out as great as Vice City and San Andreas it would be worth it. But the game bored me. I played San Andreas for months. I got bored of GTA IV in a couple weeks.

[JOEdANGEL]

Sometimes I wonder about the people posting on here, saying that they got bored with the same old routine going through GTA4. Have you played any role-playing games? Its the same old routine all the way to the end. Or how about even first person shooters? Same old routine, yet they're still fun. You can pretty much say that about any game.

The only real way SanAndreas was different than 4 was some of the zany vehicles and cheats you could enable. Gta went a more realistic route, I'm sorry you couldn't cope. Go play Saints Row 2 if that's the way you feel, but a lot of people liked GTAIV and still like it and play it.

[blackpanther25]

SAn A. had way more gameplay and a lot more things to do. GTA IV does have a very good story and graphics. Dont try to downplay San A.

[CAPT IRISH]

Yes, Microsoft did

[DRE1970]

i know ten people that have took and trade there gta4 for gears 2

[TheMART]

Ah the PS3 fans come in and cry their heart out again once more inhere. Too freaking funny.

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Good article, it touches on the basis of what we were all thinking.

In hindsight did they throw away $50 million? yes. For the price of one full original or sequel IP, they chose DLC. That is a waste. "

Uh no. Microsoft has enough money to do both. hahaha it doesn't matter if they threw in the money for GTAIV DLC, they throw in another 50 mln. on new IPs each. You like to think its the one or the other thing they'll do. Nah, Microsoft just does it all. Its Sony that will be having a hard time posting an estimated loss of 1.2 Billion Dollar...

[Graphics Whore]

If they're doing it all, where are the 09 games Mart? Present them.

$50,000,000 Killzone 2

$50,000,000 GTA4 DLC.

Hmm.. I wonder. Who made the better investment.

$50,000,000 MAKES a game. Arrogant business move.

Good to see you're not in the Gamer Zone, you're just where you belong.

By the way, look at Microsoft's stocks, they're lower than Sony's, every company is losing money, you fool.

[SmokingMonkey]

bitter sweet eh mart?

while we are playin KZ2 you have GTA4 dlc and a halo strategy game.

32 players online to boot, and Free and with NO FEAR of hardware failure

sales mean nothing unless you make the money right?

[Deadman64]

smoking Xbox 360 owners have been playing awesome games since 2005. The PS3 has basically been spotting this entire generation. It's not even funny how bad they need Killzone 2 to be a success, but it's not a gaurenteed hit like gears/halo.

[Hypnotic]

Do people even play GTA IV anymore?

[duplissi]

i dont

[PoSTedUP]

i do, i traded it a wile ago but i bought it again bc i missed it and the multiplayer was off the chain.

[blackpanther25]

bought it played for a week and then lent it to a friend and never asked for it back (i don't want it)

[DJ]

Or funding a new IP or two for the 360.

[Why dis]

Group therapy, let the sour grapes feelings out.

I guess we'll see more of these type of stories posted so that fans can vent in them.

[nomad117]

Why Vent out what are you talking about? no one is angry they are just talking about how Microsoft could have used the money for more important thing then DLC.

[silvacrest]

Why cant you understand that alot of poeple didnt enjoy GTA4 therfore, they think this DLC is a waste and could have been used on a new game or two

[Why dis]

You're not getting the DLC why do you care or waste your time to bash it.

[silvacrest]

if someone wants to waste there time defending dlc or bashing it thats up to them so you shouldnt concern yourself with that

also, are you a mind reader now? how do you no who's gonna buy what? i'll be the first to admit that if the dlc is good i'll say so and buy it

[PoSTedUP]

this article has two sides to it, one saying why it was worth it and the other saying it wasn't. its only fair that way other wise the title would say "microsoft wasted 50mill" ya know or "gta4 DLC was worth it" ya digg.

[jessupj]

I think Why Dis is just angry and jealous because she's only going to be playing gta4 dc while the rest of us are going to be drooling over killzone 2 and having an absolute blast.

Why else is she so defensive in every single post and has nothing but hate for sony? O wait.....

[spongeboob]

Don't believe what MS says, those 50 mil where to bring GTA4 to the 360
along with the promise of the exclusive DLC. And as much as i hate it it actually worked in their favor. That is why i hate MS they are dishonest and untrustworthy.

[Stryfeno2]

Blew it or not....Im going to get this when it is release.

Edit: Why disagree? So, I'm not going to get it? Hhahahaahaaa Pathetic.

[souljah]

people like you makes microsoft not losin money.for me , the xbotz means only one thing : DON`T DO LIKE THEM IN UR LIFE ! stop wastin money for a company that only thinks in profit and not even a damn bit in their gamers. peace out

[Stryfeno2]

And you think Sony cares more about gamers than profit? GET A CLUE!!!

[MONOLITHICIDE]

lol you make me laugh, yea sony is in it for profit but atleast they put out tons of new IPs and outstanding games every year like killzone 2 with its incredible graphics, Microsoft is making a profit on halo, Gears and Halo and more DLC, sounds to me atleast Sony is looking out for its fans and not just spending money on Dumb sh1t like DLC, and putting out a faulty system expecting you to by another one because your Dumb @ss will, because mommy will spend that money on you, thanks MOMMY. Have fun gaming on the same games through out 2009 and 2010, While i play KIllzone, Heavy Rain, God of War, Infamous, Uncharted, and Damn theres just so many i cant even think of all of them becasue i keep laughing at you. loloolokoolijoihfgluerbluigeah rg

[Stryfeno2]

Hahahhaaaaa You are a moron. There is no need for me to argue with you. LOL.

[joevfx]

i didnt care about GTA before the DLC

[PimpHandHappy]

seems a bit steep

If its the same mission types thats funny because i was sick of that 18 hours into a 40 hour game!
but
I bet it sells well. MS will make sure of it

[PimpHandHappy]

50 million was not just for this DLC

it was for market placement and advertisement!

[air1]

the only ppl i hear complain about gta4 are the sad sony fanatics

bu bu bu they could of done this or that with the money. we will soon find out if they blew the money,chances are they didnt since it did sell better on the 360..

[Graphics Whore]

So you think fifty million dollars is justified when they could have made another halo, or a new IP instead of some DLC?

I think you want to replace everything you said with stupid Xbox fanboys.

[Deadman64]

Honestly if you hate microsoft/xbox whatever so much why do you care what they spend their money on? Get a life honestly.

[Graphics Whore]

I never said I don't like Microsoft, I even own an Xbox 360, but stupidity is not justifiable.

[darthv72]

I actually have it for my ps3 but never played it. I got it when I got my unit for $400. It is an 80gb motorstorm sku (with bc) and it came with gta4, warhawk (w/earpiece) and motorstorm.

I been to busy playing through resistance 1 and 2 (alternating) and paper mario on the wii. I am not a big fan of the gta series but hey, it came with the system. I been thinking of trading it in for MGS4 or maybe something else.

[PoSTedUP]

yes gta4 is worth playing, story is good, gameplay is awesome, graphics are good, the only thing is it is missing alot of what sanandreas had like stats and property purchase. the multiplayer was off the hook and one of the funnest this generation imo.

[JHUX]

In my opinion the story was good, but that was about it. After I beat it I played it for about a week afterwards and haven't touched it sense. Probably the biggest disappointment of 08 in my opinion, due to the fact that I was one of the ones hyping it, and bought into all of the hype around it. There is no question in my mind that the old ones were much better, but I would still play through it for the story line (bank robbing mission was fun), then sell it after that :D.

[DaCandyman]

I think that the release is to late. Just like the second half of the article said, Most have moved on to other titles, GeoW2, COD:W@W, Fable II, Fallout, etc. I have also went into several area Gamestop stores and seen stacks of used 360 GTA IV copies on the shelves. And if some are like me have traded there GTA IV copies because they were tired of waiting for DLC. Heck I did not even finish the Campaign. Bored of the repetativeness.

[BLUR111]

Big waste of money. Now if they had it that would have helped but not many people really care now.

plus, the game wasn't that good

[Jerk120]

NOT MANY PEOPLE REALLY CARE? You Suckstation 3 fans care so hard that you bother to state how much you don't care every time an article like this one is made.

It's DENIAL.

You want it, you urge for it, you wish you could have it.

But you can't.

So you do the only thing your mentally deficient mind tells you that you can do.

You decide to hate on the game and go on and on about how it was bad and how it sucked and how much you hate bikes.

YOU'RE JEALOUS.

That's what it is.

You know what you have to do.

Scrap that Ps3 and get yourself a better than Ps3, 360.

[Obama]

lol blur111 is a xbot,a big one at that. Nice to see xbots attacking each other.

And no, no one really cares about this crappy dlc really. Stop pretending that you are excited about this game XD.

[BLUR111]

Little N4G obama is mad at me
\
No guy I'm a gamer not a troll like you :)

[Obama]

if you had voted for me I would consider giving you a chance to convert to a ps3 fan.

[air1]

why do you care so much graphics whore????

really, did you get a 360 when mass effect came out? bioshock, halo 3, gears 2? etc...

lets get real here when it comes to ppl like you no matter what micro does it will never be good enough..

you ask were are the games in 09, what, have you been under a rock? halo wars, odst, ninja blade, fall out dlc, gta dlc, many more are going to come.. did you already forget how 08 started and finished? it started off with ppl like you saying the 360 has nothing then bam every 360 exclusive out sold every ps3 exclusive. great games like fable 2 gears 2 l4d all performed well, if you wanna sit their and pretend like micro has no games then by all means go ahead just dont be surprised when sony gets b!tch slapped for the 3rd year..

bunch of clowns.. screaming and yelling we tha best, and just ignore the facts that the ps3 aint sh!t but a 3rd place system, with a bunch of sony fanatics that just dont support all the so called greatest games ever made..

i think you forgot your place, let me remind you, it's 3rd when and if the ps3 takes the lead then you can smack talk all you want but till then stfu....

[Sez]

dude. i've leard don't waste your time and energy on jealous fanboys. you don't hear 360 owners complaining why? because we are getting DLC to extend the life of a game. yet they will spend money for idiotic DLC for LBP and it's ok, they will spend money in "Home" just to spruce up their virtual appartment and it's ok. but come here and complain because they aren't getting it. let them feel good for a while since KZ2 is coming out next month. i mean they will be the only ones buying it. if you know what i mean ;)

[Xbots play games]

DAMN..Air1 aired the Gwhore out..LMAO!

[karlostomy]

yep

gwhore:

It just ain't fair to be so reliably pwned by AIR.

[Graphics Whore]

Haha, too bad I'm not a fanboy, I'll save your argument so when I smoke I can laugh at it with my buddies.

I don't care which system sells the best, and guess what the majority of people excluding Xbox Fanboy's don't care either, people go where the games go.

GTA4 DLC is not a game, and it will not make people buy an Xbox 360 for DLC.

Enjoy your "Ninja Blade" and "HALO:ODST" Xbox 360 only owners. I'm sure it will keep you more than occupied.

[Grassroots]

Timing is bad for the DLC, attention is also on SF4, Halo Wars, and RE5. When will there be time to play this.

BTW def was of 50 million, could've saved a lot of those jobs they are cutting.

[Neo604]

50mil for DLC is a sucker rip off.
I have enough of driveng from point A to B in GTA4.

[hendersonman]

I cant wait for the EXPANSION PACK. 12-20 hours more of something I love, and my game of the year last year. I am all f@#$ing in.

[cyclindk]

What I wonder is, if the budget for GTAIV was 100 million, does that mean Microsoft basically paid for half of their development cost just by securing the DLC exclusivity?

If so, thanks Microsoft...

[silvacrest]

im guessing it still cost them money else where apart from the obvious but your probably right

[na2ru1]

MS are not very sure about what they do.

[ultimolu]

It was a waste of money.

[air1]

you sony fanatics are funny..

you dont care about sales because like you all like to say "you dont own micro stock so why care"

but now all the sudden, all the sony fanatics care how micro spends their money that they mad. you know, the money that micro made that you dont care about.

it doesnt matter what you sony fanatics think about gta4 anymore, the dlc is EXCLUSIVE to the 360 we will decide it's greatness while you just read about it, crying bu bubu they should of did this with the money..

you wouldnt get a 360 no matter what micro did with the money. sh!t if by now you dont own a 360 at 199 with games like gears 2 out, man the only one crazy here is you..

day one buy for me.... got my points ready...

[Obama]

In my honest opinion if this dlc is ps3 exclusive, I wouldn't give a crap either. Who can honestly say they are very excited about this dlc???

[Xbots play games]

To be honest..I'm honestly honest when I keep it honest and say honest people don't like DLC..dishonest people attempting to be honest..end up proving they are dishonest fanboys attempting to prove their point by adding the word 'honest' into their post

Sposored by www.thehonesttruth.com

We'll see how excited people are when they buy the sh-t out of that boring DLC for $20 a pop...

[Xbots play games]

Did you see that tatoo @ E3? It represented the greatest gaming coupe in history...GTA4..day one on another system..PLUS the bragging rights to another 12-20 hours exclusive game..downloaded or not..had Microsoft let off the throttle and Sony would have reversed this situation...PS3 would be in the lead RIGHT NOW..Sometimes it takes money to make money..BRAVO Microsoft!!!

[air1]

it's funny how you sony fanatics think that what your opinion about gta4 dlc even matters.

it's EXCLUSIVE, as in yuor opinion didnt matter to r* when they said yes to micro.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

After 3 days of frustration I trade it that p.o.s.. right away . Thank god I didn't buy the collectors edition.. The bots will be happy since they have no games to look for.( sorry bots your still have halo and gears to play ) but for us ps3 folks we have a lot of exclusive to look for .

[PoSTedUP]

kilzone2 is going to be bananas!

but i still want to play L4d... so all i need now is a cheap graphics card : D

[Slinkey]

Microsoft would never blow 50 million on just dlc. The 50 million was a "loan" to Rockstar/Take Two to get them through the development of GTA4 (Microsoft gets back all of the 50 million from take two and 2 exclusive dlc expansions for the xbox360). *Proof* http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...

[Graphics Whore]

30% of 50,000,000 is 50,000,000? You should learn math.

[Slinkey]

There is no mention of 30% in my article lol. I figure your talking about the #'s in this link ( this http://www.edge-online.com/... ) but all that article does is support my above statement (that Microsoft payed, in relative terms, nothing for the DLC because they get their money back, guaranteed).

[Ldubbz]

I never saw that article, but I always figured it wasnt as simple as MS handing over a bag with a big '$' on it. But to hear some more of the details was interesting.

In a nutshell, MS was acting almost as a publisher in their deal. It wasnt as if Take Two already planned to drop the DLC, and MS swayed them to make it exclusive. Rather MS funded the development of the game in their own interests; it wouldnt of existed otherwise.

[cyclindk]

"Microsoft payed, in relative terms, nothing for the DLC because they get their money back, guaranteed"

This is a retarded statement... just because you make your money back on an investment doesn't discount that it was invested in the first place.

[lelo]

Remember it's 2 downloadable contents... so wait and see if it was a bad deal or not.

[Teh-Venom]

50 million dollars on hookers?

[PoSTedUP]

count me in! ; ]

j/k

[cmrbe]

they really needed this to compete with Sony this year.

[PoSTedUP]

it was worth it for microsoft and MAYBE the gamers, we will see.

[YeOldeGamer]

All this time, people have been bagging on MS for "blowing 50 mil" on the GTAIV DLC.... yet that's NEVER been proven to be anything but a RUMOR. For all we know, any $$ they spent, or promised contractually, included publishing and dev costs....which would make much more sense.

Prove me wrong. :)

[Lord Xire]

MSFT giving more options to 360 owners who have GTA IV is now a bad thing in the eyes of your morons I see.

$50mil is like 1month of XBL profit and revenue...I don't see this being just a throw away but more of a reason why XBL destroys it's competitor by having more to offer.

Nuff said.

[dcbronco]

They paid 50 million for the DLC. At $20 each they only need to sell 2.5 million copies combined. Considering you don't need to own the original to play this(you can borrow a copy so that it shows up on your 360), you have to be crazy to believe that they won't hit that number between the two.

Lots of people will buy a $20 game. And considering many games don't give you more than 10 hours of game play for $60, this is a bargain. Plus there are 3 or 4 million more 360 owners now than when the full game was released. Between the two, Microsoft should have no problem selling over 3 million copies and making a very nice profit. They more likely will hit 4 million copies and use the profit for more exclusive content on the next GTA. So the 50 million was well spent.

[buddyro]

worth 50 million Click agree if you do.

[YeOldeGamer]

1.) Reported as Off Topic

2.) Killzone was Halo-wannabe GARBAGE...I'll ASSUME you meant K2.

3.) It doesn't matter WHAT K2 is "worth"...PS3 owners STILL won't buy it, like they SHOULD.

$100 says the GTAIV DLC sells better than K2. :)

[die_fiend]

Killzone probably cost more than $50 million but will undersell in spectacular fashion, just like all PS3 games. The fact that Gears 2 smashes all PS3 games sales in 2 days kinda proves that it's never gonna sell like it should. I'll be amazed if it sells 2 million within it's first week

[mastiffchild]

wasn't there a aweetener from Rockstar to Sony in all this? In the form of a NEW IP exclusive to PS3 that Sony didn't chase with dirty money(in my opinion as I had seven of the junk traps die on me)made from ripping of us gamers(yes us and if you were lucky enough for your 360 not to die at the sight of a spring day you should still have made a stink about the way MS treated gamers cos they'll do it again now and you might be the one constantly returning their shonky goods)like MS did.
If GTA4 was respected by gamers(though personally if the DLC was coming to PS3 or PC I'd get it as I'm one of the ver few I know that likes the game)more then I think the $50million would defnitely be a big money maker but as it stands it's in the balance as to how many they sell and how good(after peoples view of GTA4 anyway)the stuff is.
Now by some calculations LA Noire is Sony's sweetener, which, if true is far more exciting from what i've seen that a GTA4 rehash(and remember I liked the game)-and if it isn't LA Noire then Sony really do have something big up their sleeve n Two full new UP's from Rockstar9though I do 99% feel it's LA Noire!).
I'm no Sony fanboy(jeez I even stick up for the Wii) but MS shafted us all this gen just to get ahead and they divided us in the worst way imaginable and I think they brought out the worst in many of us with their questionable practises(the knowingly selling of broken goods etc and recently closing studios, laying off staff yet still throwing cash at Capcom and SE for daft deals that make less sense than the GTA DLC)-paying for a weeks exclusivity of a demo? Now that should have been the story here as they do stand to make money back on the DLC but on the RE5 demo? No way, and I'm not sure the deals with SE do either party much good(esp if they continue using the UE3 for jrpgs like they have and wrecking SE's rep as a dev)at east, though, the DLC wil be original(if bought with our money)content which cannot be said of Zune, Avatars, Lips etc, etc ....
But no the $50million here won't be a waste-however whether Sony end up with something better would be a far more intresting question than this was.

[YeOldeGamer]

LA Noire is multiplatform. :o

[Helghast Slayer]

Well taht's just too bad for the people with no HDD isn't it. Thanks for being so innovative microchump.

[Firstkn1ghT]

Well I know a lot of people that own both consoles chose the 360 version because of the DLC so it was definitely a smart move. An easy 2-3 million downloads for sure.

[SAiOSiN]

i highly doubt it will go passed 1.5million downloads.

[Etseix]

i just change GTA4 before its less expensive. i.. well . im RPG'fan but i DO play nice games. i like gears,fable,killzone, all good games (yea i liked killzone 1 cuz the things the helgast say lol) *u want some of this HUH!?*
GTA4 dont deserve to be GOTY never.. San Andreas WAS way BETTER. i dont care if its exclusive i dont think im returning to GTA4 anymore.. not fun .__.

[KrazyFace]

I'd just like to say that I feel it's unfortunate for Rockstar to be coaxed into making DLC for GTA4. That's how it seems to me anyway, Liberty City is very much like the city of the PS2, not in looks but the lack of stuff to do. In San Andreas you could gamble, bet on horses or go 'tagging' or take a BMX to the top of a mountian with a parashute. It seems this DLC is just a way of bringing some of that to Liberty City, but at an extra cost.
I think I'll wait for the next full title from Rockstar rather than give my money away for stuff that should have been there in the first place.

[Droid Control]

...And they know it!

I like GTA 4, i polayed it, then sold it. It was good fun. But STILL - That was a lot of money M$ wasted.
And it didn't help them at all.

[BGDad]

I wouldnt even replay the game for the trophies its boring as hell...

Microsoft got owned on this, then again who the F cares about Microsoft right now KILZONE BABY @@

[KrazyFace]

Are you sure about this? I don't know much about attach rates on software but it seems to me most people have sold their copy of GTA4 and moved on, to assume this DLC will be one of the biggest selling things is a bit of a gamble. Most of the comments here suggest that people see this as a way of conning us out of a little extra dosh, I'm not saying it will fail miserably but I don't think it will have the impact you expect.
Oh, and what the hell does KZ have to do with this conversation? I'm no fan boy, but I think I may be looking at one.
Keep it cool Kingslayer.

[Dragnipur]

No matter what MS payed for this DLC, the main question that has to be asked is that how many people still have their copy of GTAIV! I know i got rid of mine 2 weeks after getting it, knowing that I'd beat the game and had enough fun with the Online bits! I'm sure Rockstar will re-release a new XBOX 360 version with the intent of stoking up interest in the franchise.

But all in all, this was a monumental waste of money by MS, just to show off that they had the big bucks, short of making a FULL NEW GAME, this DLC will never be worth $50 Mill!

[killajd]

This is not a fan boy opinion but 50 mill could have been spent more wisely like making a new game or lets pushing that money into a game that has more buzz. Thats just my opinion tho

[Psycho_Mantis]

Ill give them something to blow on...

*Unzips pants*

[Jdoki]

That 50million bought MS lots of publicity. If they made some extra hardware sales of the back of it, then yes it was worth it to them I suppose.

I would have prefered, as a 360 owner, MS put that 50million in to funding something else - anything else.

Epic mentioned that the original Gears of War cost 10million to develop, if that's true MS could have got a LOT more bang for their buck.

They could have...
Financed hundreds of indie projects for XBLA
Invested in new IP's or innovations from established studios
Helped out a couple of start up companies

GTAIV is already a cash cow for R*, so MS lining their pockets just to get one over Sony is pretty disgusting consideirng what the could have done with that money.

My disappointment in MS is compounded by how poor GTAIV was.

[CBaoth]

Speaking as a 360 owner, my main criticism of MS (aside from hardware issues) has been the lack of IPs they own. MS shouldn't have been complacent in just securing former PS exclusives. They should have been paying talented developers to make new IPs from the onset. The need for 1st/2nd party devs is neglible because the end result would be the same. And I'm sure given the current economic climate, there would have been a few willing to forgo the potential of a new IP in lieu of steady income and the inherent advertising campaign that comes with it.

[Sasanova]

lets break it down...DLC costs 20 dollars...

microsoft spent 50+million

more then 2 million players have to download to get their money back

game dissapointed many

its almost a year old

...i say about a million will download...im not sure tho

[Zipperdog]

I would of thought people would of moved on to newer games by now. I know I have.

[vincentvegawchz]

Yes, the money was well wasted.. I played GTA for a while and was super bored, it was the exact same as the others, i was looking for a different experience than what I recieved. It was a BIG waste of money for M$. I have seen stories saying was Exclusive content enough to sell more?? Yes, Xbox Sold more copies, BUT there are not as many PS3's out there yet. So percentage ways, No They were about equal in sales, this was a bad move for RStar. My Opinion

[Sheddi]

Wow MS really want to nickle and dime everyone to death.
let me explain why.
A DLC needs HDD.
Every 360 doesnt have HDD.
So if ur one of them and u want that DLC u have to buy a new HDD.
To buy a new HDD u cant just buy which ever u like, u have to go with MS's HDD, and those are expensive.

Smart move by MS but bad for consumers.

[manwich25]

That's the last time I loan Microsoft $50,000,000

[Malacath]

I doubt MS will get their money back.
For the simple reason that the DLC has taken too long to be released.
GTAIV was out ages ago. A lot of people are probably finished with the game by now and probably can't be assed playing it again so wont buy the content.

[Jazz4108]

I would love to have one day on N4G that Killzone2 could not be metioned. If you look at every fricking article some igonrant fanboy brings up KZ2 in every article and many many times. I understand that you think the game is going to be great and the best but I understood that 3 years ago when you started talking this crap. Im sick of hereing about Killzone2 in every article that has nothing to do with Killzone2. Can you please refrain from typing about that game unless its a Killzone2 artricle. Thank You.

[Jazz4108]

Ages ago-----Its not even been a year.

[Joey Greco RULES]

stfu about kz2 already.
when it sells a million in its first week, and 4 million by the end of the month, then we can talk about it.

[maverick1191]

once again giantenemylobster moans about sales typical xbox fanboy no one plays the game anymore end ofi couldnt care less if it was on the ps3 the DLC i still wouldnt buy it the next GTA needs to be something special so we can all forget about this GTA

[SAiOSiN]

maybe worth 15mil but not 50mil.

[PS3thedestroyer]

MS blew it big style on this one and now they are going to suffer. I don't fell sorry for them in the slightest, they played dirty and it turned on them as a lot of people aren't as keen on this GTA IV for obvious reasons.

[Man_of_the_year]

Actually you are wrong - at $50 million for the exclusive DL only about 2.5 million ppl need to DL it for MS to get their money back. With over 3.29 million units sold for the 360 i don't see any problems with MS getting returns on their investment. Even if 790000 people returned the game or just don't want to pay for the DL.

MS made the right choice as you can see the 360 version of GTAIV outsold the PS3 version - which to me seems like the majority have spoken and WILL choose to DL the extra content.

But thanks for your unrealistic and bias comment.

http://www.gamedaily.com/ga...

[thereaper101]

Just to shows how M$ is so desperate...they are one big di*k suc*ers i mean literary

[PantherDST]

MS will have to sell just over 2.5 million copies to break even.... That is alot to sell, especially when most gamers have already traded in the game for something newer.

I guess bragging rights come at a hefty price in todays market..

[importfighter]

the DLC sucks unless u like playing a BIKER Character! Do ur self a favor and get a PS3

bowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww www

[Crystallis]

I find it funny that MS can spend 50mil on exclusive DLC(which I'm not paying $20 for) when they could of used that money for far more important things like keeping a certain studio in business. Goes to show you that Sony owns them. MS needs to stop worrying about what the other competitor is doing as far as DLC and start making some decent games.

:::Looks at calender and waits for KZ2:::

[sarshelyam]

Had it released WITH the launch or soon thereafter...no. Here we are, MONTHS past the release and I've already moved on. There are far too many released coming out in the next few months to even give this a second thought. Too little, too late...but I bet we'll see Major Nelson or some other top-exec spouting about how it's a defining moment for the platform AND how it has increased sales of the game MONTHS after its release.

[Darkseider]

Simply put. $50 mil for DLC (2 expansions) and there are what 7 mil sold for the 360? If (I said IF) 20% of the folks out there buy the DLC at $20 that would be a gross revenue of 28 Million USD of which 30% goes to MS. Which in turn would result in MS making $8.4 Million USD. So either Rockstar will be forking over a huge chunk to MS or better hope that the second installment of DLC sells like mad. Unfortunately due to the time to market for the first the second would likely receive lesser sales.

[Amnesiac]

Microsoft blew the entirety of GTA4. The Xbox 360 is the reason it was a flop. Thanks a lot DVD drive.

[ihatesouljaboy]

SUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS!

[OOG]

this might end up working for them just because some people may upgrade their hard drives etc for this expansion...or already have and this will also put money in their pockets... I dont think it will make the 50 mill back in downloads...but in what is sold in anticipation....

[Crazywhitie]

it's was well worth it because everyone thats into gaming knows that GTA 4 DLC will come to the xbox, The Question is for how long.. If this DLC hit ps3 this year i'll be shocked and yes i think MS wasted alot of money, but if ps3 doesn't see this game for 1 or more years then it won't even be worth porting to the ps3.. because everyone that wanted it will get it on xbox 360 by then... Also I feel the GTA4 DLC will out sale Killzone 2,, any Beats??? will go one week sales...

[Mighty Healthy]

Right now it might seem like the 50 million was a waste but we'll see how the game performs when released. Personally, I do think it's a waste because the money could have been used to make a new game and the timing is my opinion is bad. Though, I will say, adding dlcs to GTA is a good idea that would extend the games playing time.

[Timesplitter14]

They pretty much did that, yes

[donalbane]

GTA 4 is enourmously popular, so giving people with both a PS3 and a 360 a compelling reason to buy the 360 version wasn't wasteful at all.

[Droid Control]

Aaaaarrrrrhhh

[SprayandPreycom]

i didnt like this game at all .... fall out 3 on the other hand ...

[PS3thedestroyer]

Lol at the name of the exclusive GTA IV content LOST AND DAMMED, goes well for MS spending 50M and nobody is interested in it anymore, so MS is lost and dammed lmfao, ms lost 50m, anybody will be dammed if there gonna buy this.

[Man_of_the_year]

Here you go again spreading your Troll like FUD and anger for something you will not get.

As stated before on another of your bias ignorant rants...

Actually you are wrong - at $50 million for the exclusive DL only about 2.5 million ppl need to DL it for MS to get their money back. With over 3.29 million units sold for the 360 i don't see any problems with MS getting returns on their investment. Even if 790000 people returned the game or just don't want to pay for the DL.

MS made the right choice as you can see the 360 version of GTAIV outsold the PS3 version - which to me seems like the majority have spoken and WILL choose to DL the extra content.

But thanks for your unrealistic and bias comment.

http://www.gamedaily.com/ga...

[Mc187]

25 Million Blow Microsoft.
HA
<sarcasm>

[xg-ei8ht]

I wouldn't even pay for DLC on PS3.

[N2NOther]

For this to make back the 50 mill it has to sell 1.25 million downloads for each one...I don't think it will be a problem...What cracks me up is the frame of thinking in which because someone doesn't like something that it means the rest of the world didn't either. GTA IV is still a massively popular game with a lot of fans. Even if it didn't make GAME OF THE YEAR on every professional list, it's on nearly every top 10 list. Get over the fact that some people didn't like it (you can't please everyone) and accept that a LOT of people did.