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Senua’s Saga: Hellblade 2 – Is 30 FPS on Xbox Series X/S a Showstopper?

Ninja Theory's sequel in the Hellblade series is the latest to run at "only" 30 FPS on Xbox Series X/S to a mixed response.

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Obscure_Observer39d ago

Not for me. Hellblade II is my most anticipated game of the year.

Hellblade II is not powered by some old gen tech like UE4. This is a rich feature UE5 game. A true current gen one.

Many of us grown accustomed with old gen and crossgen games running at 60fps, even 120fps in a few cases.

But its past time to face reality. Those consoles aren´t powerful enough to run true current gen AAA games powered by UE5 at 60fps without some major cutbacks.

Not even a 4090 can come close to run Immortals of Aveum at native 4k/60fps.

So I can wait to see the faces of the hypocrites talking crap about 30fps for current gen games by calling it unplayable and unacceptable, when GT6 finally drop next year. They´re in for some major shock.

Minute Man 72139d ago (Edited 39d ago )

They are probably using "Nanite" in Hellblade 2

raWfodog39d ago

I’ve always preferred performance over resolution in my gaming. Given the choice, I would choose higher fps over better visual quality. But with that being said, 30fps is not a deal breaker for me. I’ve enjoyed far more 30fps games in my life than 60fps. Maybe I’d notice it more if I gamed primarily on PC with higher fps, then played the same game on console at a lower fps.

GamerRN39d ago

If they can hit 40 I'll be ok, it usually solves the control latency issue. But I'll be honest, 30fps night look pretty but I find it unplayable

Abear2139d ago

I just want options, 30 fps is not unplayable or unacceptable, and you are right about GTA6, but that game will be re-released on the next two consoles and eventually be 60fps like gta5.
Hellblade 2 could have easily offered a performance mode, giving them the pass is laying down as a consumer.

andy8539d ago (Edited 39d ago )

I mean yeah if you're going Native 4K. I'd still never do that on PC compared to using lower and DLSS. 150 fps with DLSS on with an image that's practically identical to native 4K. Or using 4K at below 60 fps. I know what I'm picking. Immortals is a poor option to pick anyway to make a point of hiw difficult it is to run well. Even a 2070 is getting 60 fps on that game with DLSS on

Barlos39d ago

Yeah but come on be honest with yourself. You won't actually be buying it anyway will you? You'll just rent it from GP.

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I_am_Batman39d ago (Edited 39d ago )

"Those consoles aren´t powerful enough to run true current gen AAA games powered by UE5 at 60fps without some major cutbacks."

That may very well be true, but 30 fps is a major cutback compared to 60 so why not offer the alternative for people that prefer responsiveness and motion clarity over high fidelity assets and static pixelcount. If they add a performance mode via patch, will that make it less of a "true current gen AAA game" even if the 30 fps mode remains untouched?

Rockstar will probably have a harder time implementing a 60 fps mode in GTA 6, but people are expecting that game to set a new benchmark for open world simulation, so it might get away with it. Hellblade 2 is a short, hyper linear, slow paced game, so I doubt it's facing the same kind of challenges, especially as far as CPU load goes.

Sonic188139d ago (Edited 39d ago )

"Hellblade II is not powered by some old gen tech like UE4. This is a rich feature UE5 game. A true current gen one"

Unreal engine 5 has been used since 2021 and probably before that 😂 and some of these games had a 60fps option. Sure they probably had to lower the resolution. Btw alot of games can run in native 4K 60fps on a rtx 4090. The 4090 can run most New games in 4k well above 60 fps, unless you put some crazy amounts of Anti-aliasing or if it's using DLSS and it's also up to the developer. Keep the lies going though. That's what you're good at. You should have said most CPU intensive games struggles in 4K 60fps on all the RTX cards. *Every game* is not cpu intensive.

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Elda39d ago (Edited 39d ago )

It's a visual cinematic game, it'll most likely run fine at 30fps.

Einhander197239d ago (Edited 39d ago )

All this shows is how biased the gaming media is towards Microsoft and how much money/control they are exerting.

You have sites and people who were skewering games like Gotham Knights and other 30 fps games and writing how it was unacceptable ect. now writing articles defending this and making every excuse under the sun to convince people 30 FPS is the best thing ever.

Could you imagine if Spider-Man 2 had been 30 FPS, all these same sites and people would have been saying PlayStation was doomed all it's developers are incompetent ect.

But the truth is 30 FPS just shows that Microsoft really doesn't care about quality, there is no reason this game shouldn't have a 60 fps and other graphics modes other than Microsoft didn't want to take the time it would have taken to optimize develop both 30 and 60 fps versions, and it probably didn't help that they actually have to make 4 versions since they have the series s dragging everything down.

Let me remind you that every PlayStation game this gen from the launch with Miles Morales, Demon Souls ect. and all their remasters like Ghost of Tsushima TLOU and Uncharted, Death Stranding, and every other game that has been published or was a console exclusive like Final Fantasy, Rise of the Ronin, Stellar Blade has had multiple graphics modes even Bethesda's own Deathloop and Tokyo Ghostwire had 60 FPS modes. It was only after they started working with Microsoft did you start having Redfall whatever that was and even Starfield that only had 30 fps.

But of course no website is going to write that..

Chevalier39d ago

Weird that the narrative is that the Xbox has the most powerful system according to Xbox fans, but, 4 years in games run worse than Playstation versions in general and their own studios can't even make their own hardware work well. Yet there's articles explaining how it's time for Nintendo saying they need a new system and just last week articles about how some developers saw no need for the Playstation 5 pro. But Xbox gets a pass? Weren't all those Xbox fans singing praises at the top of their lungs at how superior the Series X was?! Now those same people who made this idiotic statements are making excuses? Really?! Lol

darthv7238d ago

...spider-man 2 does have 30fps for those who prefer the highest visual fidelity. I have to say it looks DAMN gorgeous when set to quality mode but its too fast of a game to be hamstrung to that slower fps. This game... seems perfect for 30. Especially since the first one was mostly played at 30 as well and only later was upped to 60 for anyone who wanted to play it that way.

Einhander197238d ago

Marvel’s Spider-Man 2 has performance, performance RT, and fidelity graphics modes, as do all Insomniac's PS5 releases.

And it's not strictly that this game has a 30 FPS mode the problem is they didn't take the time to make 60 fps modes.

If you keep defending this all you're going to accomplish is giving Microsoft a pass to crap out games with the least possible effort instead of taking the time to make fully polished and finished games like PlayStation.

darthv7238d ago (Edited 38d ago )

"And it's not strictly that this game has a 30 FPS mode the problem is they didn't take the time to make 60 fps modes."

Did you ever play the first game? Did you know it too was only 30fps at first? The 60fps mode wasnt added until the release of the mid gen systems. which is to say the majority who played it did so at 30fps because sales of the Pro and one X were significantly lower than the base systems. When the 5/Series were released, many tried it again at the faster speed. So your assessment of them not "taking the time" is wrong. You don't know if they have something similar planned for the next gen hardware release. So stop with the concern, which we know you dont really have.

Einhander197238d ago (Edited 38d ago )

Darth... your using a PS4 game as the example, and you made a poor argument when you pointed out that the mid gen version had a 60 fps mode, this is a next gen game and next gen games should offer 60 fps.

And again you guys made excuses for Redfall then you made excuses for Starfield, apparently you guys just want to stay gaming at 30 fps forever...

I'd think after all this time you would start to realize that Microsoft is just going to keep being bad for the industry when you guys keep defending them.

I was reminded about what a rip off xbox ssd's are by that other article today. They are on sale but charging more for a 2tb SSD than I paid for a 4tb that's twice as fast and compatible with PC. Or the xbox controller which is the same controller they have been using since the 360, but it's not even as good as the 360 controller they are way cheaper build quality yet about the same price as a PS5 controller which offers so much more and actually had two generations of innovation.

People like to claim that xbox is keeping PlayStation in check but PlayStation and never done anything but try to set the highest quality standards for gaming, it's PlayStation that is keeping Microsoft in check. Microsoft just wants to get PlayStation out of the business so they can offer the cheapest crap for the highest price and eliminate ownership despite what propaganda they might spout.

I'd like to remind you that the terrible idea that was the xbone didn't fail because Microsoft realized they were on the wrong path, it failed only because consumers had another option PS4, if PS4 hadn't been there you would had already lost ownership and resale and trading and been strapped with a Kinect and no matter how much customer complained they would have just kept on that path. And I can look wo Windows there Microsoft ignores everything that consumers say and keep making buggier and more bloated versions of windows since Windows 7, the only truly stable version of Windows they have ever released. And they only made Windows 7 stable because so many people were so sick of XP that Mac was actually starting to gain significant market share.

You guys are going to ruin this hobby we have all enjoyed for our whole lives.

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Hellblade 2 to Launch Without Day One Patch; Developers Eye Post-Launch Updates

Ninja Theory's upcoming action game, Senua's Saga: Hellblade 2, won't need a day one patch based on information shared in a new interview.

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1Victor13h ago

No wonder the review embargo ends at release day.

Best of luck to team ninja I hope the game sale as much as its predecessor or way more

gold_drake10h ago

its gotten so common to have a day1 patch woth newer games, that devs even advertise their games with "no day 1 patch" haha.

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Hellblade 2 Pre-Load Is Now Available, Download Size Revealed

The pre-load for Xbox Game Studios and Ninja Theory's Senua's Saga: Hellblade 2 is now available, and the download size has been revealed.

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outsider162420h ago

When is this game releasing? There's no hype for it, no promotion..and this game looks good. Wth MS?

Skuletor20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

I saw there was some new video of it uploaded on Xbox's YouTube channel the other day but I didn't bother watching it, that's something though, I guess.

Here's a link if anyone's curious:
https://youtu.be/D1KCTl_tCg...

purple10118h ago

47.76 GB, the perfect size to fit on a Blu-ray disk,

oh wait a minute

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Xbox's Handling Of Hellblade 2 Is Casting A Huge Doubt Over Future Of Ninja Theory

Xbox's handling of the marketing for Senua's Saga: Hellblade 2 is casting a huge doubt over the future of its developer, Ninja Theory.

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anast3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

They should be worried. They we told they were free to be creative to dev. a walking sim, and now Phil and the Lady are walking that back.

solideagle3d ago

let's look at the other side of the coin. why did HellBlade 2 which is a short game took more than half a decade to develop? If a game is taking millions upon millions to make then expectations will grow and when those expectations fail to meet then decisions are made.

I am not defending MS here, above is just my humble opinion.

S2Killinit3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

In other words MS were never interested in the people that made the ip, MS only wanted their ip…

MS knew everything you said before they bought Ninja Theory.

dumahim3d ago

"why did HellBlade 2 which is a short game took more than half a decade to develop?"

They're a smaller studio that has had a number of other projects they've been working on in that time as well.

1Victor3d ago

This 2 comments from Microsoft worries me
“ Matt Booty, head of Xbox Game Studios, mentioned in an email to employees that the company is now looking to prioritize “high-impact” titles and “identify the opportunities that are best positioned for success.” Similarly, Xbox president Sara Bond talked about identifying industry trends and transitioning towards them during her recent interview with Bloomberg. ”
One is saying it will prioritize high impact games like CoD and service games while she basically saying they’re going to follow trends AKA the leader AKA Sony.
We all know that to succeed in the gaming industry you need to be a trends setter not a follower 🤦🏿.
Microsoft have learned nothing they still think that the 360 era of buy, absorb, destroy is the way to succeed in the video games industry.

outsider16243d ago

I've said before, and I'll say it again. If MS wants Hellblade 2 to be a success, they must release it for PS5 too, both physical and digital. Not saying as a fanboy or anything but success depends on it's sales.
Just remembered this is on GP too right if i recall correctly? I really don't know then. Good luck to them.

Cacabunga3d ago

They will close the studio, mark my words. HB2 is a pure single payer experience, took forever to release and won’t sell tons.. MS isn’t interested in these kind of games.

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Sonic18813d ago (Edited 3d ago )

They should have stayed independent and should have never gotten involved with MICROSOFT

DOMination-3d ago

It wasn't that easy. Ninja Theory were down to less than 20 employees and were forced to making a MOBA of all things (Bleeding Edge) in order to try and make enough money to survive. That game ended up being a total failure, so without MS, there's a high chance they closed anyway.

The same with Obsidian (ironically, they were on their last legs because they missed a metacritic score by 1 with Fallout New Vegas which would have netted them a huge cash bonus from Bethesda - something they were banking on and financially ruined them for nearly 10 years until being acquired).

Maybe someone else would have come in - but we'll never know.

Neonridr2d ago

financial security sometimes trumps "trying to walk the line". Nature of the business.

S2Killinit3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

If MS do close Ninja too, at that rate, we should consider possibility that MS’s end goal is to buy more and more studios and shutter them, keep the ips, then when the game development community is a desert of its former self, use MS’s abundance of capital to recreate gaming space under its own management…

Why shutter them? Maybe because otherwise it would be too obvious that they are creating a monopoly. They are shuttering them while keeping their ips, which allows for purchase of more of the multiplatform industry.

anast3d ago

This could be a part of it. I think it has more to do with shareholders, but MS would love the position you are mentioning.

DOMination-3d ago

I think it really is as simple as Anast says.

According to that Bloomberg graph, Xbox experienced a few years of massive growth a few years ago and since then, it's been going down each year. Of course, most normal people would put that growth down to Covid but investors live in a different world. They don't see that it's making hundred of millions or even billions. All they see if that it's going down and that's enough to spook them.

S2Killinit3d ago

Yup, MS is not buying to manage the studios and make games, they are buying them to dismantle and destroy, keep the ips, then go after more studios to dismantle. Once nothing is left, they will use their deep pockets to make studios. Its like telecommunication companies. They merge together and shut down competing services, so now I only have one service provider in my area, and that company is a local monopoly so they treat you however it damn well pleases.

MrBaskerville2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Only issue is that if that happened, people would just make new IP's instead. New Ip's can easily thrive, it's just a more risky.

But in time every big game will be either Marvel or Star Wars, so wouldn't matter anyway. Joking ofcourse. Partly.

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PrecursorOrb3d ago

Xbox’s handling of Xbox is casting a huge doubt over the future of Xbox

Einhander19723d ago

Everything they bought is at risk, Game Pass is NEVER going to be able to support all the development for these studios while also maintaining any kind of catalog of new games.

If it wasn't supporting itself before they bought all these studios it's obviously not going to be able to support even more.

Hofstaderman3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Pretty apparent they next on the cutting block. Hellblade 2 is a week out and the only noise from XBOX marketing is akin to a fart. Not even a loud pants-ripping fart....but a shameful supressed one.

Deeeeznuuuts3d ago

A shameful suppressed one 😂😂😂 28514;😂 fucking quality 😂😂😂

Hofstaderman3d ago

I try to work in Freudian concepts.

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MrBaskerville2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Very possible that they allready planned it, but they obviously can't announce it until the game has been out for a while.

I think they have changed plans a lot. Current MS wouldn't have greenlit Senua 2 and games like Pentiment and avowed. Wonder whether we'll get Outer Worlds 2 or if it will be reworked into a more succesful franchise.

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RNTody3d ago

There's no way Ninja Theory stays in business after Hellblade 2.

It's a digital only release, it's been in development for over five years, and it's a Game Pass Day One, which means it's not going to blow any sales charts apart. That's already taking into account that Ninja Theory don't make games that sell multiple millions, they cater to a niche audience.

Ninja Theory has been around for a very long time and they've served their audience well, DmC aside, but I'm betting on them closing or being absorbed soon.

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