CES 2009: Sony teases with high-quality PS3 3D

We've heard from many of you that 3D technology is something you're interested in seeing at CES, and Sony has one of the most impressive displays of 3D at their booth...

[Ryudo]

Is it just me or is frank wearing make up on his cheeks?

[Parapraxis]

LOL, it's probably just really warm at the show.

I would love to check this out.
They need to emply some better design into the glasses though.
Looks like something out of the early 90's.

[meepmoopmeep]

i have a pair of those 3D glasses right now

yeah, a better design would be nice.
give it a more futuristic look.

i wonder if/when this tech will be standard in gaming.

[Ryudo]

I cant really see this ever catching on unless the 3D is completely rendered by the PS3 its self and nothing to do with the display. No ones going to swap there 50" HDTV for a 3D one any time soon. Not to mention a much cheaper and better option would simply be a virtual reality head set the technology is already there.

Edit: at my above comment how can someone disagree with a simple joke. am sure I have some insane looney following me around disagreeing with out even reading my posts.

[meepmoopmeep]

lol, just ignore them.
that's why agrees/disagrees don't phase me.

but yeah, i'm sure the PS3 or whatever will do the wet-work

[squallheart]

I already got a 3D set i'm just waiting for the technology to catch up my pc already outputs 3d but i want ps3 XD

[pixelsword]

*strums banjo*

Giddity!

[Lord Anubis]

my most recent viewing of 3D was at the San Francisco's Metreon in the iMax cinema. They displayed the last 30 minutes of the last Harry potter movie in 3D. It was unreal. like the actors were performing right infront of my eyes. 3D tech has potential.

[Michael Jackson]

"Is it just me or is frank wearing make up on his cheeks?"

Nope, it's not just you. Apparently, he borrowed some from your purse. xD

[rockleex]

When people went to watch Beowulf in 3D!

I don't mind wearing these glasses. But is there ANY POSSIBLE WAY to make a regular HDTV display 3D?

I don't think people would want to spend $1-2,000 on another HDTV just to play their games in 3D.

[hay]

I it'll be PS3 based, as some 3D movies you can watch on ordinary TV. Cool stuff either way, can't wait to get immersed.

[Ryudo]

@Micheal Jackson

Read your own comment it doesn't even make sense r-tard.

So your saying he ain't wearing it but he borrowed some from me to wear it you bloody muppet.

[SL1M DADDY]

PS3-D FTW? If it could do all games in 3-D, that would be a pretty cool deal. Gimmicky, but definitely cool.

[SaiyanFury]

Frankly it wouldn't surprise me that Sony would be playing around with other HD technologies to make them a reality on the PS3. Lord knows they are going to every length to make the PS3 the best viable value on the market to make up for it's increased price. Lord knows just the BD playback in native 1080p is great. On top of that, the built in g-Band Wi-Fi is a great addition and the painless wireless media interface. The simple value of the console is simply the best full HD experience for the money. On top of the value of the console, you can change out the HDD for a larger one to keep large amounts of media on for cheap compared to the 360. Want a 500GB HDD? For 100 dollars you can make that a realty. The largest 360 HDD, the 120GB model? 135 dollars for their proprietary model. The PS3 offers the most HD freedoms for the price. Simply put, for the full HD experience, the PS3 is the best price.

[Michael Jackson]

Uhh.. Read my comment again. I said no, it's not just you. Meaning, I agree with you that he IS wearing makeup. Who's the R-tard, now? lol

[mega BIG time]

give me some DOA in 3d :]

[Beast_Master]

They do have the technology to make a TV in 3D. In fact Superman Returns was the first film shot with this technology in mind. But like everyone else has said, HD tvs still have not penetrated enough homes for people to go out and get the upgrade. It will probably be about 10 years before 3D TVs become household items.

I think Sony should release one 3D game to see how it does. I mean if we have learned anything from Nintendo it is that peripherals move software. They don't need to convert their whole library to 3D just see how popular 1 game would be in 3D if it becomes a jugernut than release more. I think People would by a 3D game on PS3 like hotcakes.

[sloth4urluv]

Yes you can make a standard tv display 3D, but it cuts the frame rate in half.

The glasses have LCD shutters on them that alternate between open and closed. since standard tvs have a refresh rate of 60Hz it would be divided up between your two eyes resulting in 30Hz per eye.

It works but it will give you a head ache.

Another interesting feature you could do with a 120Hz Tv is 2 player full screen.
Instead of having 2 player split screen each player would take up the full screen, but be displayed every other cycle.

Its more demanding on the console though so detail would likely have to be cut back.

[player911]

This is the same technology I had in the 90's. Any monitor can do it and any system can do it. All the system does it split the screen into two view points and the glasses have shutters on them, which open and close opposite of the other.

I think I picked up a pair in the late 90's for like $50 for a wireless pair. I still have them actually.

Those "magical" 3D TV's are nothing more then a TV with the software built in. There is no need for special code or a special platform for this to work.

Heck I played the original Quake with those 3D glasses (tells you how long its been out). I've since played Unreal series, Quake, Doom, StarCraft, WoW, etc.

All you need to make it work on your PC are the Stereo NVidia Drivers and a pair of glasses. The frame rate doesn't exactly fall by 50% just because it has to draw 2 different view points. While it does take a minor hit, all of the graphics seen on the screen are already stored in the RAM from drawing the first screen

[DaTruth]

For everybody asking if you need a specific TV. You apparently don't cause I have the TV they are showing it on and I'm really glad because I almost bought a Samsung. If you read the article you will see him wearing glasses and they are not shutter glasses.

[nazty_nayt]

You mean "Giggity"

[IcarusOne]

Actually, Superman Returns was shot on the Genesis in standard 2D workflow. The 3D effect was added later. Cameron has designed a camera with Sony that consists of 2 imagers feeding into a master deck - essentially recreating the stereoscopic way that our eyes see. Journey to the Center of the Earth was the first wide release film to use this tech, though Cameron released two IMAX docs that were shot using the first generation of this system.

The tech does exist to turn a normal display into 3D and it doesn't require a new TV. Basically it's a refractive film that is placed over the display, similar to the way holographic posters work. I don't know how far along the tech is or how expensive it will be in the consumer market, but Sony may be using this. The benefit is it doesn't require glasses and can be fitted to any screen - TV's, laptops, phones, etc. All it requires is a 3D signal from the source.

I can see this being very exciting to the games industry, akin to when polygons first hit the scene.

[peedie16]

this could be cool

[swiftshot93]

i couldnt have picked a better game to have in 3-d. 1080p, 60 fps, and in 3d?! Plus Wipeout is just plain awesomesauce! the ps3 is too amazing!

Edit: Gran Turismo? *faints*

[rockleex]

Eyepet!!! ^_^

It will REALLY feel like you're interacting with a virtual pet! >:D

Anyways, imagine the next exclusive horror game for the PS3. You're walking down a dark hallway, you notice a shadow had just moved... then BAM! The monster JUMPS OUT OF THE SCREEN AT YOU!!! >:D

Especially if that horror game utilized the PS Eye for interactivity! ^_^

[Snow]

Sony is really leading the charge into 3D gaming.I guarantee out of MS,Nintendo,Sony.It will be Sony to bring 3D gaming to the public.

Look at eye of judgment for example.Eye Pet as well !
Imagine Wipeout HD in full 1080 @60 FPS in 3D.

Makes my mouth water just thinking about it..

[cayal]

Sony will bring out 3D. Microsoft will bring out 'ThreeD'.

[callahan09]

Eye of Judgment is so cool. Any collectible card game player from the past or present should check it out. It's a great game with a great set of rules and great cards, and the camera integration is absolutely brilliant. Watching your cards come to life is very cool, and the ability to play online without needing to actually find someone in real life to play against is the icing on the cake.

[player911]

Sorry, but PC's had this ability 10 years ago. PS3 isn't doing anything revolutionary. They're just making light of old technology

[Aclay]

I want to see AND PLAY Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, and God of War 3 in 3D :)

Sony brought Killzone 2 and Infamous to CES, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did show Killzone 2 in 3D!!

[rhood022]

oh man..that would be completely awesome. Imagine playing Killzone 2, or any fps, and have the illusion of rockets and tracer rounds flying at you. Or GOW 3 and fighting the huge Titans and, like the Colossus battle in GOW 2, fighting it head on in 3D.

I hope that this is something that a) can be outfitted within the next few years; b) integral to the PS4.

[hay]

Combine it with headtracking and what you'll have?

[player911]

That is that they need to do.

[n4gzz]

interesting. will see how it goes.

BTY,

I preordered KZ2 and RE5 paid in full today. Got my demo card for killzone2. I am super excited for feb 5th and 27th.

[swiftshot93]

i preordered those exact games.

[ReTarDedFisHy]

LMFAO at your disagree
Now I can sleep with a smile on my face lmao

I'm waiting until they announce a KZ2 LE or CE so I can pre-order that. Lucky bastard, you'll play it before everyone else :(

[ultimolu]

...O_O

...Wow.

[C_SoL]

This is a huge leap in the right direction.

[phosphor112]

Agreed. I'd buy it with my money I've been saving up so dearly. Question though, how would people with glasses use those? Like I was thinking about that because you know those stereoscopic pictures, where you cross your eyes and focus to see a picture in 3D, people in glasses can't do that. Goggles might work? Ya know, ones that go over the glasses? lol.

[hay]

Basically this is stereoscopic vision based on human's sight. In games and movies you have one camera that shows you everything. In stereoscopy you'll have two from slightly different angles. When you put glasses on those will be combined into one picture which will try to simulate sense of depth.
Great example may be anaglyphic vision where you have "weird colored pictures"(bluish-reddish) and cyan/red glasses to filter the vision.

[N4360G]

LOL screw 3-D,give us 4-D SONY!!

[Gue1]

What is 4D anyway?

[THAMMER1]

This is 4D.

[Awookie]

4d is just simply width height depth and time not sure why people keep saying wheres the 4d time has been implemented in many games

[phosphor112]

Not really, the only games I can think of off the top of my head is Motorstorm, and thats because of the ground deterioration. 4D in a game would be the pro/regression of textures or models over a length of virtual time, so to be technical, Motorstorm doesn't even do that because it depends on vehicles driving over the terrain, kind of like a destructible environment. That won't count because the user is manipulating the texture/models.

[pixelsword]

...

I'll give you a few examples, because when you see how it's been used already, you can see other effects

- The weakest example would be bullet holes in walls, people, etc. because in terms of time and design, it's not progressive, but instantaneous. Furthermore, the the rendering is done entirely differently. An argument can be made that if you consider the overall changes to the wall in reference to time elapsed in the game, the changes could be considered "4D"; that works in the purest dimensional sense, but in game programming terms though, it doesn't. I believe that there would have to be Dynamic rendering of textures for it to be considered 4-D.

- One stronger example that I can give is when you play in the mud in Motorstorm and your vehicle gets dirtier throughout the race. I say stronger because the rendering is simple, but still valid.

- The strongest example I can give people so far is in MGS4. In MGS4 Snake's suit can change dynamically... 4D programming is the dynamic rendering of procedural textures. You can see another example when you fight Crying Wolf and when you go into the barrel that snow accumulates on the barrel.

I'm sure there are other examples, but I'm too tired. I need to finish up and take a nap.

[Joey Greco RULES]

a dimension of time....hmmm....oh I dont know. How about Fable1&2(age progression, seasons, ect), The GTA Series(Night & Day Cycles), Timeshift(time manipulation), Animal Crossing Series(live time gameplay).....many more. The 4th Dimension is time. A lot of games have made TIME a factor in them. I dont understand why we try to complicate these things.

[Xwow2008]

show amazing things at CES . :)
(Expect MS 2 copy sony)

[Ju]

Ah, they are still busy catching up with LBP. LOL.

[Killzonegamer83]

Sony tell MS to step aside and teach them how to REALLY do a CES.. KODU?! LOL its already confirmed Sony are going to showcase Killzone 2, infamous and Heavy rain tommorow night.. those 3 alone are enough to blow MS's CES out of the water.. 3d gaming demonstration will be icing on the cake

[cayal]

I wonder if they'll show anything new.

[Marquis_de_Sade]

Right, so relatively minor PS3 related announcements completely do over MSs' multi billion dollar OS demonstration? Okay then.

[callahan09]

We're talking about videogames. Windows 7 isn't a new game, or a new way of playing games.

[Marquis_de_Sade]

well it's relevant and viable for comparison seeing as he compared SONYs demo to MS, and MS are more concerned with getting attention on windows 7 right now.

[Ju]

What, a new OS? Nooooo. Impressive. </sarcasm> Its a "consumer electronics show", not a PC/OS presentation, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Marquis_de_Sade]

Aghh, how many times do I have to say
Ju, MS will want Windows 7 to be the main highlight of this show, I'm sure they will reserve their X360 announcements (if they have any that is lol) for GDC, or a more game centric confrence.

[Cajun Chicken]

Hopefully I don't have to get a new TV for this...

[Queers of War]

maybe a projector of some sort

[hay]

No, it'll be most probably rendered on the console side. It's stereoscopic vision based on combining two pictures from a bit different angles. You'll needglasses, nothig more. IF they stop on stereoscopy presented on the image of course.

[Killzonegamer83]

You know something.. Those glasses dont look half bad at all, i always pictured those real big and bulky glasses that talk up half your face and cover your eyes completly but those glasses in the pics actually look cool, i wouldnt be embarassed to have guest over and they saw me wearing those glasses.. hell they look like regular glasses. Im definitly feelin those

[Sangria]

I wish i was there, i wish i could see how it feels to play 3D game on 3D display... ;__;

[cmrbe]

want KZ2 3D now!!

[kingkobra2xxx]

KZ2 wont happen in 3D as this 3d tech requires 1080P at 60FPS (split to 30FPS for each eye). This also means, that Wipeout HD although running at 60FPS was processed by our eyes as 30 FPS and any 30 FPS game will look like stop animation in 3D as we will see it as 15FPS.
hopefully they can optimize KZ2 engine for KZ3 for 60 FPS and 1080P :)

[jwatt]

That's cool, now it's really important to see see games running at 60 frames and 1080p.

[cmrbe]

it was just a wish really but thanks for the info.

@jwatt : Agree. This would be a more important reason to have 1080p and 60 FPS in the future.

If Sony manages to do this right this will really put the PS3 way ahead of the competition. Imagine in a FPS and deibry and somke etc come flying to you in 3d. Man it would be awesome.

[hay]

I don't think it needs full 1080 and 60fps. There are simple DVD's with 3D movies which are obviously not 1080/60. The only hardware requirement is to render two pictures from a bit different angles on playable fps. For lower fps' flickering may be seen but if PS3 is capable of running full 1080/60 with some really beautiful details, this trick is surely achieveable.
I don't think it could be easily achieved for Killzone 2 since it separates rendering tasks onto different 5 or 6 cores as I recall. Maybe one or two free ones may be used to generate stereoscopic vision.

[Ju]

You can still render sequentially. No need for two completely independent tasks. Interleaved, if you want, with two cameras. The 3D system does the split & join.

[Nathan Drake]

To be honest those glasses look cool

[Cajun Chicken]

You know if it came to a point that waving a stick in front the TV is acceptable globally, I see no problem with sitting down wearing glasses during gaming sessions.

EDIT: Well, actually wearing glasses over glasses might be a bit annoying.

[OhMyGandhi]

that's interesting that they have this, because I read in EGM some time ago about IZ3d glasses, which are targeted for computers.
sounds really neat, and something that along with sony's "tilt your head-tilt the camera in game" patent should produce cool results.

here's what I am talking about: http://www.iz3d.com/

[Gitaroo]

they tried that in Sly 3 didnt they?

[pixelsword]

but I suspect that instead of the developers adjusting their game engine to work in 3D, they PS3's devkit will do it for them.

At least I hope so.

[micro_invader]

I remember the 3d segments in Sly, never did try them out though, silly me :P

[DNAgent]

Until you can have something 3D without the need to wear glasses or some mask then I will care. By the way, people who already wear glasses will be screwed anyways.

[PoSTedUP]

*sees DNAgent one year from now wearing 3D glassed playing the playstation3 despite what he says*

[smokeymicpot]

Can't wait to get high and play some wipeout.

[hay]

Lol, dude, flower would be insane in 3D on high.

[Donkeykonga]

I would love 3-D WipeOut, but it seems far off as of yet. I just hope PlayStation has a better presence than usual at CES. The last few major gaming/tech events seemed very underwhelming.

[pixelsword]

getting extra effects out of the PS3.

They packed a wallop into that little Cell processor, didn't they?

[RedVsBlue]

It would be better on Sony's part if they did not force the 3D stuff on to gamers & make it optional. Not everyone will like wearing glasses while playing

[cryymoar]

improve the industry unlike Microsoft hasn't and never will.

You see, this is why I love Sony, they WANT to change the industry, at any cost, even at their own costs. Rather than just try to cash like Microsoft.

CELL + Bluray + 3D + Motion sensing game = the future of hardcore gaming.

If people give it a try of course and not complain, just learn how to play and use their own body movements reflexes to maneuver.

I want to see the day people say "Joysticks? who the f**k uses those anymore?" Because I've had a blast NOT using joysticks especially with Motorstorm and Lair.
And plenty of other people have too while using the Wii.

So QUIT SUPPORTING OLD TECH (XBOX).
PS3 FTW!

[Joey Greco RULES]

for PC GAMERs(in reference to your joystick comment).

And dude, dont ever mention Lair again...to anyone...but i like how you kinda covered your a$$ by tossing motorstorm in there, lol. Awesome.

[Lord Vader]

Where's the 4D stuff ?

[sinncross]

Well Sony are adding a firmware update to make the PS3 3D compatible so I guess this is just a natural evolution of the process.

But yes, it should not be a forced thing.

[marcellizot]

Where's the 4D!

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

The 4th dimension is time.

Even FarCry2 has revegetation...which is 4D.

[Sasanova]

support sony! BUY AS MANY GAMES AS POSSIBLE!!!!!

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

This is what the PS4 needs to push it forward. People have been looking for real 3D entertainment for YEARS! We need it and we want it now!

[thedarkvault]

glasses implementation is okay, but cutting rez or frame-rate to give you double the images kind of sucks when top games are already struggling while rendering the frame once at a rate above 30.
I think the way that this guy figured out by simple wiimont hacks is better: http://tinyurl.com/2p2wq6
Using only 2 infared emiters(like in the sensor bar) and the infared camera in the wiimote, he can track a person accurately and the game changes the pov orientation in response, giving the illusion of depth, and no frame splitting or framerate cut. The only thing is that you have to move your head to get the illusion, but this way you can naturally look around in games, leaning to the left to see that little bit around the corner ahead, really dodge enemy fire, and it would be pretty sweet for a boxing game.

[Shmapanese]

the stereo typicla chicks will dig these glasses since their used to wearing tho's HUGE bug-eyed shades lol.
so you allready got a women croud sold.. dooode just a thot,but it would be gnarly if they had Aviators for the dudes to wear for 3D.

[cyclindk]

Sucks that there's no real way to advertise this sort of thing as you can only experience a demo or something if you go to a show and get glasses and the proper equipment, et cetera...

[Droid Control]

I'm pleased sony is thinking about 3D...
shame its only a fake demo...

Something more real and substantial would have been more appreciated though...

Keep going sony!

[lockload]

as title i guess

EDIT: OK it looks like you need a new tv and its not event at concept yet so at least 5 years away from mainstream prices

[DR0Z0]

Player Left is ready to go.

[stealthx]

i am happy that this technology is getting implemented but im also disappointed it took them this long to do it. IT was like 3d was forgotten for a few years. i think it should of been done years ago just before the consoles came out. but this just means one step closer to holographic imaging when we are in the game. (Now that's going to be real gaming)

[Joey Greco RULES]

have all done hi-def 3D displays, WITHOUT glasses, but this is uber-nice too.
Autostereoscopic Things Make Me Dizzy.

[Ju]

That's the point. They make you dizzy and have blurry images in 2D mode (or are they good there now ?). I think the "glasses" approach is not too bad, as long as its easy to use and you can watch/play normal movies/games on that same TV.

[Joey Greco RULES]

what happens when there are not enough glasses to go around?
lol.

no i meant dizzy as in like a little kids staring at the sky in wonder, spinning in circles----its good thing.
:)

[e3kehoe]

so correct me if i'm wrong but they are showing 3d on a lcd right.whoop that alone gives me so much hope for my tv.1080p 120hz. BRING IT ON SONY!!!

[Alib8000]

And maybe soon you could buy a fan for wind effects and have a tube up your nose for the full 'Playsmell' experience!

[ryu_101]

you guys do know that there are t.v. out there already that are 3d ready. From what I understand of it you just plug in the wireless glasses to the back of the T.V. and it converts your video games to 3d. They are the new DLP tvs from Texas Instruments

http://www.tigerdirect.com/...

Please correct me if i'm wrong about the televisions... but they are much cheaper than lcd and plasma and a far better quality