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Final Fantasy XVI Has No Idea What It Wants to Be

Why is Final Fantasy XVI so scared of being a Final Fantasy game?

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Flawlessmic343d ago

Seems pretty clear to me and has been from the start.

its an action RPG, its has been marketed that way the whole time, your confusion is your own.

The systems there provide plenty of tinkering with, especially with the Eikon powers, in terms of the move you select and mix and match.

Do you want to deal heavy damage but little stagger with very slow cooldowns for those moves or do you want to find the balance between the 2.

Do you pick eikons powers that work with each other for instance use high stagger moves, then ensure you have guruda eikon power equipped as when you get to half point you can use her grab specifically which will slam an enemy down right at that point so you can get even more hits in.

The system is as eaasy or as complicated as people want it to be.

Such an amazing game, i loving every single second of it, i dont want it to end!!!!

LordoftheCritics343d ago

‘’Author Has No Idea What Gender…i mean Genre he Wants FF16 to pigeonhole into’’

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Umb342d ago

LOL, made my morning.

I think many game reviewers want developers to make games to suits them and not what the developer envisions. Back in the days, developers had a vision and created a games based on that vision. Gamers would either like or don't and people moves on.

goldwyncq343d ago

The RPG part is lacking though. God of War has more RPG elements than it.

RoseSapphire342d ago

It's more that other games have added a lot of RPG elements over time, not that FFXVI lacks them. What does it lack that should otherwise be there?

Ezio2048343d ago (Edited 343d ago )

It is an action game. Very very good at it but an action game. If this is an RPG then Assassin's Creed and God of War are full blown RPGs.
There isn't a single RPG thing this game is doing extra than those two.

MrNinosan343d ago

Yes, the 3 last Assassins Creed games are rpgs, did anyone tell you otherwise?
AC Origins, Odyssey and Valhalla is typical WRPG, like the Witcher.

God of War reboot is an action rpg, don't think many would say otherwise about that as well.
Final Fantasy XVI is an action rpg, Final Fantasy VII Remake is a hybrid of action/jrpg.
Final Fantasy XIII: Lightning Returns is an action rpg

But then, the definition of genres has been blurred out.
Before, it was easy to say that games with inventory management, levels and abilities was rpg.
Games that don't have a levelling or progression system, was simply not a rpg.

Shane Kim343d ago

Ezio, I don't think you know what an rpg is to be fair.

As for Final Fantasy or not, it has character names from past games, themes from past games, summons, chocobos. Many seem envious that this game is PS exclusive and will say just about anything.

CrimsonWing69342d ago (Edited 342d ago )

Did it ever occur to you that those games maybe borrow mechanics from the RPG genre and that's why people go back and forth as to whether those games are RPGs or not?

FF16 is an action RPG. If you replaced the combat with turn-based, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be disagreeing. Just because the game's combat is real-time action doesn't negate it from being an RPG. I'm just going to go down the basic list here:

- You level up through battles by acquiring EXP (yep stats matter, take off your auto-rings and try playing the game on normal mode being several levels below enemies)
- You do a multitude of main story quests and optional side story quests
- You gather/collect components to craft gear to boost stats
- It's heavy on the narrative, like RPG narrative heavy I mean
- NPC interactivity
- Heavy on the world building and lore
- You got your optional FF style Hunts to do
- World Map
- You battle with parties (yes no matter how you argue this, there are party members)

I mean, I do most of this in the other FF games.
So, for discussions' sake and being level headed what in the name of all that's pure and holy do the other FF games do that drastically separate this one from being an RPG?

P_Bomb343d ago

“…there were non-white people in Medieval Europe. There just were, buddy.”

Here we go… 😪

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jwillj2k4343d ago

To the authors point they have people transforming into magical creatures and using magic. Comes off as nitpicking.

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Umb342d ago

Shake my head to comments like this. In all aspects of real history it was the rare exception and not the norm.

This mindset is why we have so many issues in today's western society. Imagine if the roles where reversed and the saying goes that there were white people in central africa or central america 2000 years ago. Imagine the uproar..'how dare you!!'

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GoodGuy09343d ago

I don't like that it is basically just an rpg dmc. Too many buttons and skills to have to remember. But it is fun. The story and cutscenes are great as well.

Still wish they'd finally just make a full on traditional FF with modern visuals and AAA budget one day. Hoping that FF9 remake fulfills a bit of that for me...if it's legit.

fsfsxii343d ago

lmao are you for real? the game has one string of attacks, even DMC1 back in 2001 had a more complex combat system. One sword, no directional input commands, cooldown attacks and you have to play optimally to utilize the eikon abilities, ie, stagger the enemy then dump your whole load of attacks onto the damage sponge and voila. The game is designed as an offline mmo, its very apparent in the quest design and cooldown abilties.
They should've copied FF7R's combat system because that was infinitely better.

Shiro173342d ago

You think ff7r combat was better? Wtf 😂

BrainSyphoned342d ago

FF7R battle system was trash. Forcing you to switch party members if you want their skill guage to charge. Having the boss become invincible because of phase change everytime you use a finisher, the whole thing blew.

BlackDoomAx342d ago

Put the stuff that make you use one button, or just check the movie on YouTube if you don't want to play at all and enjoy the great story.

MrNinosan343d ago

And still, it's an amazing game, a GOTY-candidate that is fun to play, have great story, an amazing soundtrack and visuals never seen before in a game.
For "not having an idea" what it wants to be, it's simply amazing.

As a longtime Final Fantasy fan, this is one of the best Final Fantasy games I've ever played, and seeing all the easter eggs around the world, that is huge nods to older games, puts a huge smile on my face, over and over.

__SteakDeck__343d ago

Oh they knew what they wanted the game to be from the beginning. It’s an action RPG, they said this. It’s just that you don’t know how to move on, from what the game used to be.

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Final Fantasy 16's Two Expansions Put a Bow On An Already Great RPG

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LordoftheCritics40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

I don't know about ''great'' rpg.

Most epic fight sequences and presentation? Yes

Worst side quests ever? Yes
Boring traversal? Yes
Empty worlds? Yes
Demo is infinitely more mature than the actual game? Yes
FF16=MMO side quests + Devil May Cry Lite

Alos8840d ago

I'd give it the great part, it's the RPG part I find dubious.

EternalTitan40d ago

There is no Roleplaying/decision making in this game.
No crafting there isnt even character builds because just like Dante/Bayonetta Clive has all skills and loadouts available to him.

CrimsonWing6939d ago (Edited 39d ago )

What do you mean there’s no role playing? Also, I’m fairly certain I made builds with Eikon abilities and I’ve gone to the blacksmiths to literally select craft weapons and gear. 🤷‍♂️

EternalTitan36d ago

How many 'builds' can you make?
Weapons and gear only increase numbers. Tell me about elemental weaknesses and status.

CrimsonWing6936d ago (Edited 36d ago )

@EternalTitan

Elemental weakness isn’t an RPG defining end-all-be all element.

What statuses are you asking about? F*cking status buffs and debuffs? You talking about stats that increase with gear crafting? Because all that’s present in the game.

The fact that you even admit there’s builds and RPG elements contradicts your claim. No matter how limited they may be, they exist in the game, therefore it is an RPG. I think the correct critique is instead of claiming it’s “not an RPG” you really mean to say it’s an RPG not as in-depth as it’s contemporaries. Regardless, it’s an RPG nonetheless even without “elemental weakness” playing in combat.

EternalTitan35d ago (Edited 35d ago )

@CrimsonWing69
"Elemental weakness isn’t an RPG defining end-all-be all element"
Why not?
Where is your source for this?

CrimsonWing6935d ago

@EternalTitan

So you’re telling me if a game has all the elements and mechanics of an RPG except elemental weakness exploits in combat that they’re not an RPG?

C’mon man, how about you show me where it says an RPG must have elemental weakness mechanics?

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CrimsonWing6940d ago

Let’s be honest, this isn’t a “great” RPG. I am in the camp that it IS an RPG, no DMC game I’ve played is designed like this… but in terms of being a great RPG… well, I much prefer the RE-Trilogy over this.

That being said, I do think the DLCs have probably the best boss battles I’ve played in a game. Omega was crazy and the battle theme just amplified that for me. In the other hand, I’m struggling to think of a game that has a boss battle as great as Leviathan. Like, I played it on FF mode and it was sooooo intense and just a gorgeous and fun experience. The music was also top notch!

However, I really disliked most of everything of FF16. The Benedikta arc was fantastic, but after that the game was boring and a slog to get through. I think the boss battles were the best parts, but also inconsistent for me. Bahamut was peak for the base game, but everything else didn’t surpass that experience until you play the DLC bosses.

VersusDMC40d ago

The 2 DLC's were great. 2 new eikon ability sets (leviathan and...) and a survival/bloody palace mode with Rising Tide were great as well.

repsahj39d ago

The Base game is already great for me IMHO and the 2 DLC will even make it better.

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