Final Fantasy XVI Is Already Forgetting What Made FFVII Remake So Great

Final Fantasy XVI won’t be including a specific element that helped make both Final Fantasy XVI Remake and the original game so memorable.

[jambola]

Just because it's doing something different, doesn't mean it's forgetting
that's like saying they forget what made 14 so great because it's not online

[Obscure_Observer]

The author is right. Like it or not, characters development is a very important aspect of any memorable RPG game.

That´s what many younger Playstation gamers are about to found out in KOTOR Remake, for instance, soon.

The article is not about doom and gloom for FFXVI but an interesting view on what gamers should expect from a game which is not focused on party characters growth/development.

[Redemption-64]

Maybe you don't know this, but not all games have to do things the same way to build characters development. You don't have to play as, Thor, Brok, Sindri, or any of the squad members in Mass effect to have great character development.

But this is a Playstation exclusive, so everyone here knows where you stand

[jambola]

It's subjective, it's not a factual topic
Different games can do different things

[Obscure_Observer]

@Redemption-64

This is not just about playable characters, dude. This is more about NPC´s growth, development and relationships as a solid team throughout the game. Just like Mass Effect that you mentioned.

[Redemption-64]

@Obscure_Observer

Seriously stop embarrassing yourself and actually play some games. The game is not even out yet and you are clearly far too narrow minded. There are literally countless ways to build characters development, none of which requires you to play as said characters or be constantly with you. Seriously how don't you know this? There is no single way to do NPC growth, maybe if you actually played different games you would know that.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Redemption-64

"There is no single way to do NPC growth, maybe if you actually played different games you would know that."

Nobody said that, that´s you making sh!t up. The article is pretty clear and the author pointed out that it will be harder (HARDER not IMPOSSIBLE) for FFXVI´s developers to deliver a memorable game once the only permanent companion will be Clive´s dog, Torgal. Nothing more, nothing less.

[lio_convoy]

Didn't bother reading the article. Sounds to me like someone's stuck in the past and afraid of change. Typical fanBOI article. Hard pass.

[jznrpg]

Just looking for something to complain about for clicks

[goldwyncq]

It's about not having controllable party members, which is a valid criticism for a FF game.

[Eonjay]

That's not what a Final Fantasy game is.

[jambola]

And thats fair
But when you come at it from a "they must have forgotten it's good" way
It just looks ridiculous and condescending and click baity

[CrimsonIdol]

"That's not what a Final Fantasy game is."
...isn't it? I thought a party based RPG was exactly what Final Fantasy is (at least the mainline ones).

[SurgicalMenace]

What about Crisis Core, Dirge, Type-0, etc? Just a few instances where there were solo members in the FF universe.

[goldwyncq]

^ This is a mainline FF game. Even FFXV which didn't have it at first later added it as a patch. I hope XVI does the same.

[Bobertt]

It's not so much about not having them as he is thinking the story will be worse since it doesn't have multiple main characters to carry it. But if anything the story looked great from the early trailers and there are tons of games that have a single main character and have good stories.

[porkChop]

It's valid criticism though. The author isn't saying FFXVI will be bad or anything, but it's missing a key ingredient that's been a part of every mainline FF game. A proper party of characters. Not necessarily that they need to be playable. But in FFXVI your companions aren't permanent. They come into the story for a little bit and then leave when someone new comes in to take their place.

That means the bulk of the narrative and character development will potentially have to revolve solely around Clive. In FF games each character develops naturally over the course of the story. They're there to bring depth and help both carry and move the plot forward. Removing the traditional party element means the supporting cast has significantly less ability to be fleshed out and developed naturally. So it *could* result in more flat, one dimensional characters. Something that FF has never been known for.

Obviously we'll have to see once the game comes out but it's an entirely valid concern.

[shinoff2183]

Lets be honest theres nothing wrong with the past though. The best ff games to this day are there. With ff6 7 8 and 9, to this day have not been topped.

[LordoftheCritics]

''Forgetting''

More like ''chose''

Another stuck in the past nostalgia ridden article.

[jambola]

No no
Only the writer knows what's good
So anyone doing something different just wasn't smart enough to realize this

[shinoff2183]

The best ff games to this day are there. With ff6 7 8 and 9, to this day have not been topped.

[jznrpg]

FF16 is a different game . It’s not FF7R. They can both exist and be good . Journos complain a sequel doesn’t do anything different than the previous game even when continuing a story . Now they complain a game isn’t as similar as another one . Just seems like “journalists” looking for something complain about

[Babadook7]

“…Forgetting What Made FFVII Remake So Great“

Meh.

We also get Rebirth this year. Win win.

[jwillj2k4]

Stop bashing there's a valid argument being made if you read the article objectively. Basically the lack of solid party members could mean less memorable moments due to weak story lines for each fleeting relationship. It's a valid concern is all....

[VersusDMC]

Well there are a ton of games that have memorable moments with characters that are not there for the whole game. The last of us for example...Bill , Sam and Henry were only there for a portion of the game and became memorable characters with memorable moments.

And on a gameplay side you are kinda adding party members with the new movesets you get from defeating Eikons. Switching from the Pheonix moveset to the Titan moveset will be like switching from Cloud to Barret in FF7R.

[Eonjay]

If you go in expecting to .be disappointed on a what if, before you even get to experience the story as it is intended you are just setting yourself up. Final Fantasy is always heavy story driven throughout all of its gameplay evolutions. In what world would this have to be ditched to accommodate a new battle system. In every iteration story, character and plot have been center stage.

There is nothing that makes those two parts of the game mutually exclusive. We have even scene story and character development throughout the preview.

The article is without serious merit.

[jwillj2k4]

Well you know what they say about opinions. I don’t care enough to invest anymore time into this topic. I’m going to wait for the reviews like I always do and buy/not buy.

[Terry_B]

Its more like the FF Creators of today forgot what made FF..FF actually.

[Elda]

That's FFVII now it's time for FFXVI.

[repsahj]

Is this the start of looking for something to complain till launch?

[Alos88]

While the headline is clearly clickbait trash, I will admit I'm a little disappointed there won't be much of a party this time. It's been a series staple since forever. I'm not 'afraid of change', just disinterested in this particular direction. The game itself looks good and I'm sure it'll be well received but for me personally I don't think I'll be grabbing it day one.

[sadraiden]

If you can't jump, I don't want to play.

I gave FFXV all of me. Rather enjoyed it too. But I can't go back. If you make a new FF, it better evolve on the movement and traversability of the game world. I couldn't even play FF7R because it felt like I was playing a bad version of a 25 year old game with matching gameplay.

At this point, given the state of Square Enix, and the state of FF as a franchise, I'm not going to be playing 16 anytime soon.

[Nebaku]

Yeah man.

I remember playing Mario 25 years ago. Whenever I jumped, I thought to myself "wow, this is like a game from 2023 it's so modern".

[gold_drake]

lets wait for the demo, before we pass judgment.

all the people that got the chance to play it, praised it to the moon and back.

[F0XHOUND]

How do you even know? We will never get another classic if we just continue to recycle the same game over and over. Gaming has changed hugely, the battle system could very easily stay the same as it did in FFVII OG, but would that be something Sony want as a flagship 2023 title for the PS5? In a few years' time, we may look back at FFXVI as a point in the franchise that we can say was when things started to feel fresh again and continued to evolve along the path it started.

FFVII Remake has a great system too though, but I don't think FFXVI being different is a bad thing at all.

[ghostrider32]

People need to get over their FF7 fetish.

[Pedantic91]

Didn't they come out with this info at the start ? I feel like they were pretty transparent with it lacking controllable party members and the focus being on Clive. The author is either aware of this and is pretty late with her opinion. Or she isn't and quckily glanced at the current info we have on XVI. Also, FF7RE is a remake of a game with already established character development and stories. There would have been hell to pay if the party members weren't there. XVI is entirely new.

I wonder how she felt about XIII and getting a game over due to not being able to switch characters during combat. That one was pretty divisive and not something that was known at the start.

[Miraak82]

No different then ffxiv and it has some of the most memorable and fleshed out characters in the franchise

[Hofstaderman]

I’m excited. It’s rated Mature for a reason and will be the first FF game ever with the exception of Versus XIII that was never released. As long as the story is epic, the characters are well developed during the course of the game and there are large areas and cities to explore I’m willing to open myself up to the action battle system.

[BlackDoomAx]

Good article. They shouldn't have call it FFXVI as it doesn't have much to do with the series concept anymore. Call it Final Fantasy: What you want, or Devil May Fantasy, but not FFXVI.