Tales of Arise Demo Runs 10 to 15fps Slower on PS5 than Xbox Series X in 4K Graphics Mode

Tales of Arise offers a pretty level playing round on next-gen consoles -- unless you're playing at 4K. Get the full breakdown.

[autobotdan]

Just glad I am getting it on xbox series x instead of playstation. Better framerate. I suppose the steam pc version probably plays better than both

[Jin_Sakai]

Most games run nearly identical on both consoles. This game is an exception. Hopefully they release a patch on PS5 and drop the resolution to 1800p.

[Rimeskeem]

Odd more devs to just implement checkerboard rendering. Would be more stable framerate.

[NeoGamer232]

Exactly. They may have done some new optimizations on XB, but even if there are new optimizations, the differences aren't big enough for anyone to really care.

10-15 fps is a lot different conversation at high side of 30 fps then it is at 50 fps on the high side. 30 fps is a minimum standard in my books. Anything higher is gravy.

[Babadook7]

My guess is optimization still has a ways to go at the time this demo had come together, particularly on PlayStations. A similar situation happened the other way around on other demos being locked at 60 FPS on PS4 pro and running very poor on 1X.

[KingofBandits]

Why on earth would they need to drop it to a bullsh*t resolution of 1080p to match the minor FPS difference here? Also its a demo so who really knows what stage of development it was built on. I hope thats not true for final code because I'm going to be pissed buying the limited edition for a janky version

[dumahim]

@KingofBandits

1800 > 1080

[Rimeskeem]

I mean, if you want better framerate you should just build a PC when prices come down. Cheaper games and multi-task. You get everything Xbox has plus more. Just gotta invest.

[gamer7804]

sooo many factors involved in deciding pc vs console, i would have to build 4 gaming pcs for my house which just isn't cost effective right now, perhaps the biggest factor is time. It just works. I used to have all the time in the world and only needed one PC so i would just spend time building pcs, upgrading them each year and tweaking them to get the best performance. Also xbox multitasks better than PCs gaming wise. So right now i have one PC geared towards professional work, then i get to step away (which is refreshing) to the couch and play on console.

[thorstein]

That's why I am getting a Steamdeck. So I can play the couple of Xbox games that I want.

[blackblades]

Its a demo stop being a .....

[asapas8]

I have an RX 6900 XT which laughs on PS5 and Series X, but I still want to play these big games in a console. Series X all the way

[BrettAwesome]

@spastic8
Cool story

[RedDevils]

This is how virgin talk lol

[CantThinkOfAUsername]

You haven't played a Bandai Namco game on PC before, have you? It'll run like dogshit just like all their PC ports.

[Vengeance1138]

I'm just SO glad I'm getting this on playstation instead of Xbox, better overall experience.

[autobotdan]

For Tales of Arise you are getting a lesser overall experience on playstation

[RedDevils]

I played all Tales of games on Playstation, that not gonna change especially this is best of the the lot, I'm not gonna be put off for couple of frames off.

[Michiel1989]

they arent exactly known for great pc ports, lets hope theyve done a better job at that this time.

[strifeblade]

It's what I would expect. Series x is about 20% more powerful so I expect about a 20% more powerful results. Great!

[GoodGuy09]

Wonder how itll run on my 3070. Sadly theres no demo on pc.

[Tapani]

It will run 4K60 maxed out. 3070 is around 33% faster than Xbox Series X, and in 4K probably 38% or so (RDNA2.0 works the best at 1440p/1800p.) I think my 6900xt should do also a good job at 4K60. Thinking of picking up a tales game in a long time. I think I finished Tales of Destiny 1 and 2 on PSX back in the day. I want to play Berseria as well.

[gamer7804]

bandai namco pc ports generally aren't very good, so getting 30% more performance is a long shot. Also the 3700 should be faster, the card alone is about 500$ the same as the series x and you are still missing case, power supply, ram, cpu, coolling etc.

[Tapani]

Yeah, well it's been years since mainline Tales series was released on PC, but even then Berseria ran on a GTX1080 4K60. I'm confident a card that is much much faster than the current gen consoles will run it 4K60 maxed out as well, especially given that it is Unreal Engine 4. I mean what console games are out there on UE4 that do not run 4K60 on an RTX3070? Probably one or two here and there, maybe Ark.

And I didn't claim the game will run 33-38% faster than on Xbox Series X, I said the RTX3070 is around that level faster than the AMD RDNA2.0 iGPU found on Series X. Plus it has way more power budget, than the RX 6600XT/6700XT level iGPU in the Xbox. It's just science, and if you look back at similar claims, it always pans out this way. Once you got your patches and mods on PC, the performance difference with consoles is exactly what the performance difference is with the technology.

Also this is not a discussion about price/performance ratio, this is a discussion about how well RTX3070 will run Tales of Arise, which is an UE4 game.

I am baffled why people disagree with me, is this some kind of console forum? I own two PS3s for retro games, Switch, eyeing PS5 purchase (just sold my PS4 Pro), we have two 3DS, PS Vita, Gameboy Advance, and I've had Nes, Snes, N64, GC, Dreamcast, Xbox OG, Xbox 360, so yeah, I'm a console gamer. Just stating technological facts here, not sure if people here can take it, though.

For reference: RX6600xt has 9.6 Tflops, which can be one-slider OC'd to 10.5, around PS5 performance. 6700xt has 13.21, and can be one-slider OC'd to 15, around 24% faster than Series X. RTX 3070 is faster than 6700xt around 5% with the latest drivers, which would put it to around 33-38% range compared to Series X. RTX 3070 is realistically around 17Tflops, which again, is around 30% higher than Series X. Again, you can turn up power slider, and maybe clocks by 5-10% to gain another 5% for free.

So tell me all disagreeing people, what is wrong with my above explanation? Give me a scientific answer, not just some BS.

[babadivad]

That comment about RDNA2 being a 1440/1080p card is utter nonsense.

The 6900XT basically trades wins back and forth with the RX 3090 in rasterized performance. If the 6900XT is only a 1440p card then every card is.

That card will run this at 4k60 in its sleep. Literally the best card money can buy at the moment.

[Tapani]

@babadivad

You are correct it trades blows with 3090, but 6900xt's relative performance is faster in 1440p. However, if you look at synthetic benchmarks with the latest AMD drivers, 6900xt has already surpassed 3090. I'm guessing it will age well just like 5700xt, and this is good for both console and PC users. Plus the optimizations hopefully carry over to PC, like with Flight simulator.

I've seen around 26K graphics scores in Timespy for 6900xt. XTXH cards are fast, but so are the XTH when properly cooled and tuned. Interestingly, Xbox Series X has been labeled as 12tflops with its 56 CUs, which is very close to 6800's 60 CUs and its 16+ Tflops. Series X is heavily limited by the power budget and cooling, because you can easily OC 6800 to 2.7ghz resulting in almost 21tflops (20.8) with just 4 CUs more. That is 40%+ performance with extra 6.7% more CUs.

You can get 27tflops out of 6900xt if you OC it to 2.7ghz, and past 29 tflops if you can go up to 2.85ghz or more. RDNA2.0 gpus are good cards with the latest drivers. Let's see how the console RT optimizations (aka Spiderman / Ratcher & Clank) translate to PC RDNA2.0...

[smashman98]

lol ur gonna have no issues my friend.

[SurgicalMenace]

Man, I guess that means it's unplayable on PS5, huh?

[Sayai jin]

Who said it was unplayable? Why the extreme?

[Ash01Live]

It is unplayable for the fanboys, can't handle the shame of running slower on their platform of choice. What a strange world we live in. Some just can't enjoy gaming anymore. Some people caught up in looking at textures if rocks instead of enjoying the game.

[Teflon02]

Game look muddy in frames mode and looked 30fps in graphics. Didn't have a issue with framers at 30. Seemed consistent. But that 60fps made on a 4k screen was ugly af

[darkrider]

Its a demo and the game runs like crap on all consoles. Its even worse this doesnt seem cross gen game, but a last gen game... Bandai Namco should do much better.

[RaiderNation]

Regardless, I play all my games in performance mode anyway. As long as I get a smooth 60fps in that setting, I'm good.

[Sol4ris]

Ah, as expected from the world's most powerful console 😉.... lots of rage from a "certain" crowd incoming 😅, even if it's just a demo.

[Jin_Sakai]

“Ah, as expected from the world's most powerful console 😉.... lots of rage from a "certain" crowd incoming 😅, even if it's just a demo.”

You mean how games like Warzone runs around 90fps while PS5 hits 120fps. So much for the worlds most powerful consoles.

[Sol4ris]

@ Jin

"PlayStation 5 appears to render Warzone at an internal resolution in a window that's typically 1512p to 1566p. Meanwhile, the Series X looks visibly cleaner - in 120Hz mode, it seems to run at 1920x2160 usually, reconstructing up to 4K. So, while both consoles can output a 4K signal at 120Hz, native resolution is lower: PlayStation 5 is visibly blurrier than Xbox Series X, as the comparison shots on this page demonstrate."

Let's just forget the resolution deficit the PS5 has in Warzone at 120fps😁.

[Jin_Sakai]

“Let's just forget the resolution deficit the PS5 has in Warzone at 120fps😁.“

Let’s not forget framerate is the number one priority in a twitch shooter.

[darkrider]

Dont waste your time with comments like that. Gamers shouldnt accept crappy version of a game like this one and should unite and fight againts this. But There will always some tryng to justify buying the most powerfull console and still waiting and waiting and waiting for some new game that shows that.

[andy85]

Let's be honest it's not that much of a graphically intensive game. I can imagine it will be similar across both by the time of release. I played it and I thought it ran really nicely. I imagine most will be on the performance mode for a locked 60 anyway which I've found myself using 99% of time on PS5

[foker]

It is a combat demo ,.. Doubt it is a finished code,.. If main quest lines are not dubbed ,.. this will be a joke(dont even know you can change anything,.) From what I've played,.. this is too chatotic,.. just did not click with me,.. This is the first Tales I might skip and actually get Scarlet Nexus which is on sale ,.. seams more interesting.

[Vithar]

this is a press build, this is NOT even in the final game. they took a part and built it for press. That area exist but it not played like the demo is. Take that for what you will but this is NOT the final game build code at all. Not even close

[CrimsonWing69]

Yea I’ll be getting this on Xbox due to the possible rumors of censorship on the PS4/PS5.

[ShadowWolf712]

The thoroughly debunked rumors?

[Vithar]

https://www.facebook.com/ph...

[CrimsonWing69]

thank god!

[autobotdan]

Your still better off getting it on xbox. For the better performance

[CrimsonWing69]

That is true. It’s just I try to keep everything one console and buy exclusives only for the other. But yea, I mean technically it’s the better version on Xbox and we’re this early in the gen that I can make that my primary console then.

[Vithar]

for the demo yes, not the release no one know. This is the press build from 8 months ago

[KingofBandits]

Thats not accurate. We have no idea what type of optimization the full game went through in the past 8 to 12 months also its not like the XSX version runs at a solid 60 in full 4K...it doesn't it just runs slightly better at an average 50fps to the 45 on PS5. the only way your getting locked 60 is in the 1620p checkerboard mode and thats locked on both

[Lexreborn2]

So the demo is 45-55 FPS on both systems averages 45-50 on one and 50 on the other. Neither locked to 60 and people are coming in this comment section to brag about that?

Yo, these devices aren’t that serious champ let it go.

[Father__Merrin]

Zero reason why the full game can't be 4k on ps5

[IRetrouk]

Whys it run so shitty on everything? We are all used to better than this now.

[BlaqMagiq1]

I care more about the performance mode. FPS always matters to me more than resolution.

[lio_convoy]

Ohnoes!!!1!!

[Petebloodyonion]

Next
A picture of the game is full resolution on platform X versus the low-resolution picture on platform Y.

Honestly, it's a demo of a game that is not out yet so how about waiting for the actual game to pass judgment.

[gold_drake]

to be fair, the demo is oddly unstable on any platform.
strange thing to publish imo.

[lucian229]

i normally play everything on graphics mode, but this was kinda painful on graphics mode (ps5) i was hoping i accidently downloaded the ps4 demo lol. hopefully it's patched; im fine with 30fps but the fps were fluctuating so much it felt bad.

[jznrpg]

The game isn’t even out yet it’s a demo and last gen game and Xboxers are jumping on this like flies on crap. You ppl need something to feel good about huh?

[BrettAwesome]

Oh boo fücking hoo. Some anime game runs better on xbox. Who gives a sh1t. "Tales of arise" what dumb fücling title is that anyway? Tales of arise? Who made that up? Anyway, have fun throwing ahit at each other over it... Continue!

[Silly gameAr]

Bookmark this thread, and make sure to come back and laugh at some comments when a game runs better on PS5 than xbox. It will be hilarious.

[Donjune]

Go get laid!

[GameBoyColor]

Haha who would've guessed a tales game would be what the fanboys fight over, times have changed. This looks like the best one since Vesperia so I'm excited but ngl I may just get it on pc if it really can't hold 60fps on consoles.

[KingofBandits]

The article title here is misleading. Actually watch the video....it states that the XSX is 2160p 50 FPS max and the PS5 is 2160p 45 FPS max. so neither run at 60 in 4K mode, it does state that both offer a 1620p mode that runs at 60FPS. Im sure further optimizations have been made and the final game will perform better. it is just a demo after all.

LINK: https://youtu.be/IsJK0jmFDO...

[SinisterKieran]

It’s odd because these games are never particularly hard to run on pc. Very odd

[Orchard]

This is becoming common place and we'll see it more regularly now that tools on the Xbox side are caught up - and their shader compiler is FINALLY up to spec. Sony has been killing MS on the shader comp front for years, even on PS4.

[SDuck]

I'm pretty sure they're just aiming towards 30fps. That's what suits the anime style better even though I like my 60fps regardless

[slavish0]

xbox took the power this gen

[autobotdan]

Play Tales of Arise on the Worlds Most Powerful Console

[nRicosS]

Ff7 remake looks alot better in terms of graphic and can do 60fps

[nRicosS]

Xbot : hail Xbox we got 15fps more
Sales number : 90% sold on playstation.

[Aussieguy]

Keyword here DEMO

[LeXxXiNgToN]

If it's the same demo that was sent to content creators a few months ago, than it's possible it's old code build.

[Knightofelemia]

I honestly just want the game I wish it was Sept 9th all ready

[OB1Biker]

Wccft are king of click bait now.
‘Xbox Series X outperforms the PS5 – while out in the field, the XSX usually hovers between the low and high 50s, with occasional brief dips into the high 40fps range’
And that’s what people are bragging about for a demo. Give me a break.
It’s obviously not well optimised.

[boing1]

Meh, patch incoming.