Has Xbox360 Maxed Out? Killzone 2 The True Next Generation Of Gaming HipHopGamerShow 12/7/08 Enjoy

* Did Cliffy B Lie To Me At E3? Analyist Discuss Gears possibly going to PS3 once again
* Microsoft aiming for the wii next year, Is The casual market really starting to take over the hardcore now?
* Killzone 2 Beta Review
* And Much Much More Enjoy

[Breakfast]

Pace yourself man....dont you want a long run?

[WANNA GET HIGH]

Yes the 360 has been maxed out.U cannot notice a big difference between gears1 and 2 and that is the 360 best looking game.But u can notice a huge difference between resistance2 and killzone2.But that dose not mean new 360 exlusve games will not look better than gears2.All they have to do is make an engine with different graphics style than the one gears1 and 2 used and u will see a very lovely game.The ps3 was built with the cell and a 10yr life span so it still has a long way to go before it gets maxed out.Dont forget killzone2 is using only %60 of its power and dont forget we have not seen god of war3 and uncharted2.

[faisdotal]

How do we ban this HipHopGamer douche?

[Panthers]

@ above.

Just leave the site. I actually like these shows

[00]

Let see if I can spin this, For resistance 2 wouldn't that mean the first game had to look not has good to see such a noticeable difference?,
And Killzone one was on a last gen console so of course there is going to be a major difference between one and two.

Well I think that should about do it.

[v1c1ous]

all he needs is one show flaming the 360 for the ps3 brigade to forget how he also flames the ps3 once a month to appear "unbiased" and they forgive him.

[Lifendz]

I doubt that was freestyle though.

I watch the show for entertainment and not the truth. If he's right, good stuff. If not, hey, I never came to the show looking for real news anyway. The kid makes me laugh and his show is entertaining.

[The Killer]

i think 360 maxed out with gears of war 1 with only minor improvements can be done more than gears of war 1 and we saw that with halo 3,gears of war 2,fable 2 etc!!

[beardtm]

Resi 5 looks better than Gears 2 and Killzone 2.

We will see what platform it looks/performs best on when it comes out.

My bets on 360.

[MNicholas]

Even Microsoft said so. They asked if it wouldn't be better to have good graphics now (360) than better graphics later (PS3).

The question isn't which machine is more powerful but which is better suited to your gaming tastes. The fact is that both machines are very different in terms of game selection, features etc. Each one to his own.

[ultimolu]

Oh wow...if he was singing the praises of the 360, he wouldn't be a douche, right?

[San anto]

"How do we ban this HipHopGamer douche?"

Agreed.

[egm_hiphopgamer]

I've been doing shows for almost a year i don't think i'm gonna run out of titles or anything to say about the game and hip hop industry as long as the business is alive i'm alive and your alive as well because your input counts too thanks for the support 1luv and god bless but notice wheneve i do have a title the title is generated from what's been going on recently in the game industry and that's the key to keeping things fresh you feel me 1luv and god bless to you and everybody even if you don't like my show aight peace

[TheSadTruth]

First he ropes in all the PS3 fanboys by bashing Sony, then he shifts gears and

-Flamebait episodes to encourage more attention, get lots of hype, huge amount of views
-Changes to positive reviews and optimistic viewpoints, to start building a long term audience that will come to his site without using n4g

You can clearly see people only visit his site currently with attention grabbing headlines, will he be able to build a solid audience now? I think so, just read the comments from the fanboys.

One thing's clear: He's got you Sony fanboys by the balls

[lsujester]

I want to buy this for him.

http://www.amazon.com/Engli...

[Monchichi025]

Just a friendly reminder to talk anything Hiphop gamer says with a grain of salt cuz he's a self admitted Sony fanboy. and I qoute:

"I'm not a big fan of xbox the system cuz I prefer ps3 more but at the same time the PS3 is more newsworthy than the 360 so in my position i lean on the ps3 side alot more."

Nothing against him personally, but know where the source comes from. Plus, don't he know the 360 is a lot more hip hop this generation becuase it's more affordable for the mass market. Ya heard?!

[bigman7387]

If you really don't want to listen to him, guess what? DON'T CLICK THE LINK. It really is that simple. There are hundreds of articles that go through this site without getting viewed by anybody.

Not like anyone is forcing you to watch it.

[chanto23]

you didn't understand what he tried to say...what he meant was that the graphical leap between Resistance 2 compared to Killzone 2 is huge...he wasn't comparing Resistance 1 with the second and Killzone 1 with the second.

Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 are PS3 only games that are supposed to show the power of the PS3 better than a 3rd party game. Same thing Gears should do for the 360, but between Gears 1 and Gears 2 the leap what small, hence he implied the 360 is maxed out, at least for the unreal engine.

[Timesplitter14]

dude, punctuation

And why do you always show your arms? Most of us are guys, you know...

And finally, I think rappers are clowns. For some real music, see ''Maggot Brain'' by Funkadelic. Music is regressing...

[Saint Sony]

I hope it does well, but I'm pretty sure it's just another Lair.. ah no sorry not Lair.. what was it.. the famous Halo 3 killer.. oh yea HAZE!... wow!

How many hyped PS3 titles has actually lived up for it?

ps. The game with such a long production time will have to be something really really really damn sweet or PS3 will be laughed for ever. According to Killzone 1 ... failing is imminent.

pps. I'm just trying to lessen the hype, so Killzone 2 won't have to suffer so much. Without any of it's hype it would do perfectly well, but now people wait a bit too much from it and it can't deliver the promises.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

the hardware for ps3 and 360 hasn't changed since they came out, I'm getting tired of this age old debate.

[SuperM]

Looks like the Hiphopgamershow is to much for the 360 fanboys to handle :)

And just to point it out, there is a difference between being a fan and being a fanboy. Just because you prefer a system doesnt make you a fanboy, everyone has a preference, thats just how it is. If you bash something just because its not on your favourite console, then you are a fanboy.

Hiphopgamer is definately no fanboy, he just has his preferences like everybody else. Anyone who actually watch the show would know (unless you are a fanboy yourself, then you will scream fanboy for anyone saying something positive about sony)

Anyway keep up the good work Hiphop

[mikeslemonade]

The developer who made Forza said they used 90% of the 360 hardware and that was last fall. Right now the 360 is maxed out, but in there small defense developers can make games in more effiecient ways, so they squeeze just a little bit more, but it's not like PS3 where the full hardware isn't even being utilized yet(60% for Killzone 2). Right now 360 is being fully ultilized using all three processors.

Also the proof is in the pudding because no game on 360 in 2008 any better than it did in 2007. Gears of War 2 is the exception because of the engine and obviously Cliffy B is able to squeeze more out of the 360 because it's much easier because they got the formula from Gears 1. Gears 2 doesn't make a leap ahead in the graphics compared to Gears 1 neither. And also I don't think it's conclusive to say Gears 2 looks that much better than Bioshock.

[BigBaehr]

Even if you nonbelievers continue to spew the "Killzone isn't proven" BS, what will you then say when GOW3, the established graphical powerhouse of last gen, comes. You will be on your knees begging for mercy in the end.

[JsonHenry]

From what I can tell from being in the beta Killzone 2 does not look much better than any other top notch title out there. I mean, the weapons look better than in most. But the lighting, particle effects, and environment do not look anything head and shoulders above any other title, whether on the PS3 or the 360.

The reason everyone likes Killzone 2 so much is because the "feel" of the game. Your character moves like he is actually wearing combat armor. The guns jump all over the place when you shoot. Everything just feels like it actually has some "weight" to it, if that makes sense.

As far as the mutliplayer mode goes, it feels just like Resistance 2, IMO.

[BigBaehr]

"the lighting, particle effects, and environment do not look anything head and shoulders above any other title"

Did we play the same beta? WTF are you smoking. It is what you mentioned above that seperates KZ2 from the boys.

[SonyOwnsNextYear]

WHATS MY NAME?

[JsonHenry]

^^
Go play CoD4 or WaW, Gears, Far Cry 2, or R2. They look on par with KZ2.

When the game actually comes out I hope someone puts screens together and match it against other current gen games to show you what I mean.

The reason people like KZ2 is not because of the graphics (which are good, just not special) it is the gameplay and the feel of the game.

[RememberThe357]

Wow... You actually believe what your saying...

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Don't believe a word from Jsonhenry. He is just a troll judging by his passed comments. How long did it take you to come up with that BS comment? We know it's either BS or you're playing on a Zenith CRT TV.

Mind showing us proof that you have K2 beta installed or even having a PS3? No random online pics.

[Raptors]

So...every single system in video game history has pushed out some fantastic games originally thought not possible towards the end of their console lifespan. And now, all of a sudden the 360 is the exception to the rule? Honestly guys, this fanboy stuff is really getting out of hand. I'm not saying you have to like the 360, but at least lets be sensible about it. This site is going to hell and the fanboys are taking it with them.

[DaTruth]

That being the case, the Cryengine can make games to take advantage of future improvements in hardware so it wouldn't be much to take advantage of the 360 which is just a bunch of outdated PC parts in a slick looking box, it was outdated on release. Sony went with something new, Parallel processing and a whole new tech(something they always do) and it produces stuff like K2 which is somewhat comparable to Crysis.

[INehalemEXI]

For those that still think KZ2 is not bringing something new to the table visually...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

watch in HD too ^^

Ive completed Cod4 ,and R2 etc. there is no FPS that does what KZ2 does graphically sorry but no ...not even crysis (many textures and physics in crysis are still more impressive though) has all the fx seen in KZ2. stunning environments.

As impressive as that video is , its still preview code. Its most likely not fully populated and polished....Yet its so frigan purty.

[JsonHenry]

Killzone 2 is the ONLY reason I have not sold or traded my PS3 yet.

And NO KZ2 is not even close to comparable to Crysis. Crysis looks better by far. But KZ2 is a lot more fun to play and has better atmosphere.

[mikeslemonade]

Compare the ONLINE BETA for COD4 with Killzone 2 beta. I think if you compare a game's single player final product it's going to look about the same as Killzone 2. The online for COD4 was amazing on release but not anymore.

I don't why you say Killzone 2 is the only reason you are keeping your PS3. I read your posts before I know sure as hell that you never thought Killzone 2 would even live up to the hype or match the E3 05 trailer. The point is things change and PS3 is just getting started with Killzone 2 only utilizing 60%. There's a lot more games coming out in 2009 that you haven't seen and i'm not going to name them because they've been said countless times.

[INehalemEXI]

Crysis and KZ2 both look good , granted 1 is out and one is not..so thats an assumption. From what ive played of Crysis its on this pc im using ...and what ive seen of KZ2...Crysis looks better in ways yet KZ2 looks better then Crysis in ways also.

Look at that video and tell me which game looks like it nails sci fi/realistic shooter genre best visually? Never mind that you has glaucoma. Just because I have crysis on my high end pc does not mean im going to miss KZ2...

Not only by feel do I think KZ2's guns >crysis guns also visually they may be better detailed not only that but KZ2's reload animations blow Crysis away too.
Crysis is modable though....Its also probably got the best jungles...with the trees able to be mowed down and all. Each has/will have its own pro's and con's trust me.

[INehalemEXI]

LMAO, like Michael Pachter knows all....that dude is wrong more oft then not... HHG is affiliated press just because his show integrates Hip Hop and gaming culture you question...IGN not only does games but movies,tv shows, and babes , im not complaining...and I only watch if I feel like it. No one's going to force you to click.

[The Lazy One]

let's compare two games running on the same engine designed to be multi platform on the 360 (gears 1 and gears 2) to two games with platform specific engines that have been in development since before the launch of any of the next gen consoles (resistance 2 and KZ2).

Far Cry 2 and Gears 2 are comparable to KZ2 on every level, especially considering that they've had fractions of the development time.

That said, no the 360 is not maxed yet. Just because games use all the hardware they're given doesn't mean they can't use all the hardware better later. Shadow of the Colossus is a great example of pushing hardware in different ways to make beautiful games on maxed out hardware.

[M3 Superhero]

lol dun be stupid..

[KRUSSIDULL]

Silly PS3 fanboys comparing Unreal Engine 3 vs tweaked Unreal Engine 3. Compare Gears of War 2 to something new instead like Alan Wake just saying man dont bash me:)

[AAACE5]

Yes, the Ps3 will have a 10 year lifespan. But not what you think!

The Ps2 almost has a 10 year life span. It doesn't mean that Sony will come out with a Ps4 after 10 years... it means that when the new console comes out, the Ps3 will play the same role the Ps2 does now!

Sony, MS and Nintendo will all launch their next console around the same time of each other.

I'm not saying anything bad about the Ps3... Just explaining what the 10 year plan really means! People will still be playing it, and there will be great games for it just like the Ps2 still got great games after the Ps3 came out.

[Elven6]

Take what developers say about power with a grain of salt, theirs no meter on the console telling the devs how much power they are using. If a developer says "Hey I'm using 60% of the PS3's power" it's only 60% of what they know, not the system has a whole.

I bet you 99.9% of the time it's all developer hype to stir talk about the game.

Regarding the show, I don't mind Hiphopgamer, he seems like a cool guy, just not into his shows, or his titles.

[y0haN]

Every week he changes his stance. It's just getting tedious.

[pavarotti]

gears 2 only looks slightly better than gears 1 because epic had pretty much fully OPTIMISED THE GAME ENGINE, i repeat GAME ENGINE the first time around....basically, they had already maxed THE GAME ENGINE with gears 1. there wasn't much more they could do!

just like kz3 wont be much better than kz2, because of the very same reason. kz2 looks so incredible because it's running on a SUPER GAME ENGINE. man, there's some idiots on this site.

pop in a lauch itle from the ps2, then put in a recent release to see the difference. are you lot, and ofcourse a know nothing hit getter like hiphop gamer, really trying to say that a console has been maxed in under 3 years????? when no other console has been maxed so quickly?? seriously. get a grip ffs.

although, microsoft not having many game studios, cant and shouldn't expect a third party dev to spend the time, money and effort to craft great GAME ENGINES(like kz2's)....those sort of investments have to come from first-party in-house devs.

now, we do have a member(i wont mention his name) who claims to be a developer on here. it's interesting that he never posts in these sort of threads. is it because he's a blagger who doesn't want to get found out? or because he's frightened of losing his bubbles from the vegenful fanboys when he undoubtably upsets one side of the fanboys????

seriosly, only on n4g does this sort of nonsense exist, and is applauded. only last week hip-hop was a "sell-out" now it's a 300+reply topic that has had the sdf turn out in force...n4g, saddest site and community on the net.

mikeslemonade, post a link please saying that forza2 used 90% of the 360s power. although, forza2 does have lots of things happening behind the scenes..eg, all the real-time calculations going on for the car and such.

capitals are for the idiots that have come on here talking absolute sh!t as usual.

[Yipee Bog]

feel extremely embarrassed with that rap at the beginning of the 1st vid? I literally had to stop watching it. Is that what the hiphopgamer thing is all about? very unimpressed.

[DaTruth]

Sorry, the engine is multiplat and it's fully optimized form is on the PC and the graphics for Gears look amazing on the PC. So I guess your comment fails.

[power of Green]

LOL Alan Wake is more graphically impressive than KZ2 and Ferarri Project kills GT5.

There are multi platform games that beat gears and KZ

[PirateThom]

Alan Wake hasn't even been seen on 360 hardware.

[pshizle]

fool

[Mr PS3]

It's offical

[Aclay]

@ POG,

How the hell do you know that Alan Wake "kills" Killzone 2 graphically when you haven't seen anything but a damn trailer that was probably running off of the PC version? As far as I'm concerned Heavy Rain looks just as good as Alan Wake, if not better.

And what the heck is Ferrari Project? Ferrari Challenge? That game doesn't even come close to Gran Turismo 5 Prologue son. That Ferrari game from System 3 was a flop. You are in serious denial POG.

[Graphics Whore]

You can always count on green to be in denial mode.

[jakinov]

Pshizzle, green

Alan WAke is a PC then 360 game not 360 then PC, everything they've shown is from PC and PC graphics are signifcantly better because it's hardware isn't fixed.

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

What did he say??? Did Cliffy B say -

'I do not get a Stiff One thinking of 15 year old 'Gears of War' Fans!!!' ;-D

Gears on PS3??? NO THANKS!!!

p.s Has anyone played 'WipeOut:HD' on a SONY HD:TV(KDL-40W4000)on the 'SOL 2' track
(while playing your own music off the PS3)???
F**K-ME!!! ;-P It was the most AMAZING thing i have ever seen!!! ;-P
That was Next-gen!!! Not xBox 360 CR*P!!! ;-D
The PS3 is AMAZING!!!;)

[dukadork]

played on a 110' HD projector with custom soundtrack

F**K-ME TOO!

I love that (sol) track, looks amazing
bubbles for you buddy!

[steck67]

It isnt fair when you compare a PC game to a console game.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Let's wait until both Alan Wake and KZ2 to come out before deciding which looks more amazing, as both games will, no doubt. However, sometimes screenshots and even video that you see on the web before release can be deceiving. Until you're actually playing it on your TV, know never know how it'll look before hand.

Everyone is so excited over these two games because of graphics, but there's always the possibility that game play-wise, they'll be duds. Let's hope not.

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

110' HD projector??? Er yeah that would kick'@SS!!!;)
That track(SOL 2)is Amazing. Can't wait for SOL 3!!! ;-D
(Never did play SOL 1 tho) ;-D
Bubble for you to;)

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Alan Wake and Killzone 2 were both announced back in 2005 E3. Only Killzone 2, the graphical powerhouse, has a set release date. Who knows if Alan Wake even exists? The people developing that game can't squeeze out the promised graphics on my POS hardware specs. GTFO

[olivia]

love it when the guy in the end said that xbox 360 sh*t on him twice,i almost crap my pants on that one.oh and if gears ever come to ps3 the 360 is doom sooner than expected.you will find it in the trash where it belongs.and even though i sound like a sonyfanboy i am realy loyal to a true gaming giant not a wanna be(:

[Rhythmattic]

power of Green. you sir, are the Definition of Delusional.

[jcfilth]

The 360 is maxed out!!! for those of you who don't remember, it was the Unreal Engine 3 that got an upgrade and that's what gave GeOW2 a better lightning and shadowing affect, that's why it looks "better".

REMEMBER THAT!! PUT IT IN YOUR HEAD!! 360 IS MAXED OUT!!

[joevfx]

Alan wake and KZ2 are two totally different games. you do relize that somethings liek graphics need to be sacrificed when a ton of stuff is goign on on screen at once and processing powerer is needed to do stuff like AI and physics. Alan wake doenst have all that crap going on on screen all at one time. SO you cant really compair the two games.

[00]

you're trying way to hard to get hits.

[WANNA GET HIGH]

If u dont like hes show dont watch.

[00]

"Has Xbox360 Maxed Out? Killzone 2 The True Next Generation Of Gaming"

Seriously did you not read the title.

[elorm9]

He doesn't bash the 360. So if I said 360 pushed the standards for an online community, am I biased? :|

[xSHROOMZx]

Every article Ive seen from this idiot is always biased. Check his last 4-5 webshows. F***ing biased f****t. Oh and btw, cant see a difference between gears 1 and gears 2? O....k..... and Gears 2 is tha best looking game on any system right now. Resistance 2 graphic wise is crap, and K2 does look aight, but we all know tha 1st was s**t, gameplay wise. What sucks is there is really nothing to look forward to for game anymore, on 360 or PS3, both of my systems are starting to collect dust. My Wii isnt cuz of my kids playing it, so Im not biased myself, Im just getting sick and tired of this "hiphopgamer" idiot posting s**t boosting Playstation only and bashin 360 then claim hes not biased at all.... what tha f**k ever!

[Breakfast]

This is last weeks show.
http://www.n4g.com/industry...

Yes there are hypocrites on this site. You know what console you support :)

lol...but thats not the point. Point is that the serious flamebait titles, gotta stop.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

haha 2.5 you beat me to it. Sooo many hypocrite sheep/lemmings or whatever you want to call them at.

360 is definately not maxed out and even HHG knows it.

[WANNA GET HIGH]

Im sorry but no game looks better than killzone2.And dont think im a ps3 fan boy either(read my profile).The only game that gose close to killzone2 is mgs4.But that dose not mean gears2 is not a graphics power house.
My list of top 10 best graphics in game.

1)Killzone2
2)Mgs4
3)Gears of war1/2
4)Heavy rain
5)Uncharted.
6)GT5P
7)Stardust HD
8)Wipeout HD
9)Cod4/5
10)Halo 3

[beardtm]

i disagree.

crysis, resi 5 and gears 2 look better than killzone 2 imo.

[bruiser81]

You put Halo 3 above Ratchet and Clank !!!???

[Kleptic]

oh you've played Killzone 2?...

Gears 2?...hahahahah...wrong...sorry ...played the multiplayer beta of killzone 2 for about 40 hours...and have played through the entire SP ofGears 2...and Gears 2 has nothing on it, and nearly every preview that talked about graphics pointed that out...Gears 2 looks great...and is the pinnacle of UE3 now...but its UE3 shortcoming's are still EVERYWHERE...the lighting is still goofy, with seemingly random sources that don't create shadows in ways that they should...the particle effects look lifted directly from Gears 1 or UT3 (which they most likely are)...yet the character models are still some of the best in the business...I'm not saying Gears 2 is a bad looking game...its easily top 5 of this generation so far...and by far the best on the 360...yet it doesn't even take MGS4 graphically...let alone Killzone 2...

'best looking console game so far' has been said by over 5 credible gaming websites in regards to Killzone 2...from the beta alone...not to mention the recent SP preview...so its not just many PS3 owner's opinion..its kind of everyone's...or at least those that chose to accept it...

RE5 isn't out yet either...and I agree its a great looking game from what I have seen...but you sitting here saying 'i disagree, RE5 and Gears 2 looks better' is simply ridiculous, as you have obviously ONLY played Gears 2...most of the previewers of Killzone 2 have also played demo's of RE5...I would imagine they wouldn't be saying 'best looking console game' if they felt RE5 was already better...

video wise...RE5 has some parts that look great...and others look pretty weak...as it goes with early previews though...I'm sure the final game will be well above par...but I can guarantee that the only people saying Killzone 2 'is ok looking' are those that have never played any of it...and had a preconceived opinion on it anyway...

watch the tech video on GT of Killzone 2...they tech director points out just how many things Killzone 2 that no other game has done (physics based 'live' ragdoll animation, in which a living enemy still has ragdoll impulses from bullet hits, and has recorded mo-cap for correction...translates into the best looking hit response in video gaming...and then gets into lighting...200 true lights on screen at once...all of which create shadows, and reflect off of other surfaces)...and several other features (like full screen lens flare) that have only been done by CryEngine 3...if you don't like the art style of killzone 2...so be it...but no one can seriously say Gears 2 looks better, from a technical standpoint, and keep a straight face...

[INehalemEXI]

I think its funny how people expect him to make "non flamebait titles." Its not like he's the only or first to make titles like that...Its his job you know to excite his viewers.

We all know what fanboys of either side discuss amongst each other...so lets not make a story with those exact words as a title.

Hits a little to close to home? He riles up both sides with those titles that state exactly whats typed in forums all over.

[RememberThe357]

Did YOU just call SOME ONE ELSE a lemming? If you Xbox leads, you follow. Who's the lemming?

Anyway, to expect some one to make a boring title is pure ignorance. Look how many people are commenting. These head lines are working, strieght up.

And what I've seen from Killzone 2 I have not seen before in any other game. That said I have not played Crysis so I don't know about that one.

The Unreal Engine just can't put out the same visuals that are seen in games like Heavy Rain and Killzone 2. I'm not saying it's the console, I'm saying it's the engine. Unfortunately none of MS's first party studio's have really been able to push out what I think the 360 can do.

The 360 is not maxed out, they just don't have the right people pushing the hardware. At least thats what I hope.

Anyone who says that Gears 2 is on the same level as Killzone 2 is talking out of their ass.

[computer]

Kleptic hit the nail on the head. Play Killzone 2 before you say RE5 or Gears 2 look better. And after that, the only way you can say Killzone 2 looks worse is if you played it on a 9 inch black and white TV.

So many fanboys just want Killzone 2 to fail it's not even funny.

[Kleptic]

this reply system is all weirded out for whatever reason...my original comment was towards 2.8 on the first page, but I guess it got pushed back to this page...and lost its correct number...

and that was cryengine 2 by the way, not 3...I always say that by accident...

but yeah^^ I agree...a lot of people desperately want the game to fail...and its not hard to see why...for one, MS has nothing on the horizon to compete with it...only chance is whatever IW comes up with for the follow up to CoD 4...but the glaring issue with that is that the PS3 will get it too...there are no exclusive shooters coming to the 360 any time soon (probably not this generation anyway) to really compete with Killzone 2...as killzone 2 is YEARS in development and cost more money than Gears 1, 2, and UT3 combined...

the media isn't much different either...this game automatically set its self up for a very ugly first impressions as no one in the media enjoyed being lied to about the original trailer (I blame the media anyway, who would honestly believe that was gameplay?...that looked nothing like gameplay entirely because of the scripting)...as tretton claimed it to be real time, then doubled back claiming 'he meant resistance'...

aside from a number of glowing previews...the discussion between the guys at the 1up yours podcast on december 5th related to killzone 2 really illustrated whats going to happen imo...they all finally put enough time into the game to get a good idea of what to expect...and found it to be an insanely polished shooter with unprecedented visuals (they ALL admit that Gears 2, and no other console game, touches it...not just the ps3 fanboy bettenhausen)...yet it doesn't try anything radically different...however, a lot can be said for a great playing, and great looking first person shooter...the most successful shooter of this generation so far did absolutely nothing new gameplay wise...and they all predict that killzone 2 will end up the shooter to beat come February...

i'm trying hard to keep this out of hardware issues...as the 360 is definitely a formidable console in terms of visuals...while Killzone 2 is designed to fully take advantage of everything the PS3 has (particularly BD with uncompressed texture streaming, as well as the CPU)...the 360 could also get a game several steps ahead of the normal competition too, if a developer would actually invest the time and money it takes...

and thats the point...Killzone 2 is not just a 'ps3 is teh pw3r' argument...this is more what happens when a publisher gives a dev nearly unlimited cash...and unlimited time...and that is why Killzone 2 will be so hard to beat from anything MS offers...it will take a 360 exclusive at least to match it, as multiplatform development hinders both version usually...and MS simply doesn't throw 60 million dollars to an internal dev to go nuts with...they throw it at rockstar or SE instead, just to get rights to DLC or to share a once exclusive PS3 game...

you can hate the PS3 all you want...you can still think the 360 is more powerful all you want...but the simple fact is that fanboys are on their own with this one...killzone 2 IS delivering...i know it sucks...but the media is slowly starting to admit it...and PS3 owners are happy as shat with the game so far...there are some certified hardcore 360 fans on the beta forum for killzone 2 fully admitting that its the best and most addictive first person shooter they have ever played on a console...if Sony cuts the price of the PS3 around killzone 2's window...i guarantee there will be TONS of 360 fanatics jumping ship...

[cp68]

Poor xbox360. Not sure what trine is? It's the new PSN console exclusive shocker baby:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

The 360 is officially a thing of the past. Go get yourself a ps3 already. Just in time to get familiar with the XMB, and get ready to camp for KZ2. That's right.

[Foxgod]

Trine is coming to pc as well, arent ps3 fabois always yapping that some 360 games are also on pc, and therefore not exclusive ?

[0verdrive]

lol yes, but those are usually huge 360 "exclusives" like l4d, halo, gears1 and probably gears2. trine is a psn title. on top of that its a platformer, which are much more enjoyable to play on console because of the controllers. those exclusive shooters, however, are much better on pc, due to kb and mouse controls. plus, higher end pcs put out much better graphics than the 360 and ps3.

[pshizle]

has not been maxed out

[PeptoBismol]

is that why Gears 2 looks identical to the 1st?

to the phantom disagree, i have a 360 & PS3, check my profile

[MNicholas]

The 360, because of it's straightforward hardware architecture and superb dev tools provided by Microsoft, has been fully utilized by many devs. Any improvements from here on in are not technical but artistic.

[WANNA GET HIGH]

Yes i read the title.If u go thro some of hes past shows he has titles like "360 price cuts destroys the ps3".Some time he has titles in 360 favour and sometimes he has titles in ps3 favour.And watch the review he did about gears2 and u will know he is not bias.He gives props to the 360 and ps3.He even showed us that he has both consoles.Just becausse the title looks bias dose not mean he is bias.

[Homicide]

Uncharted 2 will look identical to the first. I guess PS3 is maxed out too?

[littletad]

It hasn't been maxed out. If Donkey Kong Country and God of War 2 hasn't already told us, systems continue to get better regardless of what year we are in the console life.

[Danja]

I agree the 360 hasn't been maxed out , it's up to the devs to utilize the hardware and get the best outta it..

alot of ppl didn't even think that a game like GOW2 was possible on the PS2...it even made launch 360 games look like crap..

Uncharted 2 will improve graphically over the 1st game...just watch the teaser trailer and look at the animations..it's way better

[ElementX]

If Gears 2 looks identical to the first, how come I read articles saying it has better graphics than Resistance 2? Does that mean Gears 1 graphics are better than Resistance 2? I've played Gears 2 and Resistance 2, Gears has better graphics.

[SuperM]

I highly doubt Uncharted 2 will look identical to the first. By the time they release the game im sure they will have upped the graphics by quite abit. But other then just on the graphical side of things, uncharted is going to add a bunch of new gameplay elements aswell, and no im not talking about tiny tweaks like new ways to hit someones head off, im talking about big gameplay elements like Stealth and new climbing system. I definately think naughty dog is going to kick it to the next level with Uncharted 2. I think that the extra processing power that they have availible is also going to be used alot for other stuff then just graphics, like better water physics, destructible enviroments, you name it.

Besides even if Uncharted ended up looking the same, we would still have KZ2 to prove that the system is capable of more. What does 360 have to prove that its capable of more then gears2? nothing, because gears2 is the best they have.

Anyway im sure that 360 has alot of power that can still be tapped out of it. First and foremost in form of optimizing the code. But i think they will need to move on from the Unreal engine 3 though. Perhaps if the Unreal engine 4 comes out for this generation of systems that it will be more optimized and can squeze some more juice out of the 360. Only time will tell. I dont think we will see anything like KZ2 on the 360 though, ever. Maybe they will get something which is similar just from a graphical standpoint, but then there is no way they will be able to push as much stuff on screen as in KZ2. The xenon just doesnt have the power to keep up with the cell processor on that area. I dont think they will ever get that graphics either though. But look better then now? ofcourse. There is imo a huge leap between KZ2 and Gears2. 360 can probably get to something in between.

[MNicholas]

because unlike the PS2 (and PS3) the 360 hardware is very straightforward and easy to utilize. In addition, unlike Sony, Microsoft provided it's developers with superb development tools and plenty of hand-holding, enabling to make full use of the hardware.

In contrast, the PS2 was a nightmare for developers. Even polyphony digital struggled with it. This is why GT4 was so vastly superior to GT3 as it took them years to come to terms with it. One saw similar improvements with God of War, Jak, etc for the same reason. Some of the later PS2 games even had PC like shaders.

Similarly, the PS3 is very complex and presents developers with a huge learning curve. How many developers output from RSX to Cell? A handful at best and even those struggle with the precise timing required to make it work. Most just render to VRAM and call it a day. That's where the improvement will come. Like the PS2 before it, as the developers get their game engines to work in smaller and smaller chunks and refine the rendering systems you will see further improvements, of the sort that none would have expected. Games like Killzone 2, GT5: Prologue, and Uncharted already outperform what the RSX specs would suggest is possible.

[Arsenal4Ever]

Spin MS fanboy spin.

[v1c1ous]

can you spin this?

http://www.n4g.com/industry...

[littletad]

haha, good one. Seriously, I don't think he should be taken seriously at all. I know I never have, except for some few notable shows. But if he really is in it for the hits or just a show of attention, you can't deny he's going to fabricate anything simply because he can.

[hay]

Agreed, this guy is attention wh*re. Every some episodes he says a different thing, picking different point and saying BS just to get some clicks.

[WANNA GET HIGH]

Yes i have played killzone2 before.I am in the beta and i can tell u the online is better than cod4/5 and r2.U can play it in some many different ways.U can be invisble with the sniper, be a blu pill junkie with the rocket luncher!!!(if u have played the game u will know what i mean ;-D)....e.t.c

[SuperM]

Is there something to spin?

how about this, i respectfully disagree. Is that so hard?

So many people here on N4G only go for the headline. This is not HHG stating something as if its a fact, hes basically just raising a discussion. To bad half the people on N4G arent capable of having a discussion without going crazy fanboy all over the place

[Arsenal4Ever]

spin 360 fanboy spin.

[Timesplitter14]

This guy sure knows how to start the flames

[WANNA GET HIGH]

LoL. The title has flame war written all over it but the funny thing is that hes not bias.And flame wars are started by fan boys,if every one just left mature comments they would be no need for flame wars.

[Blademask]

Edit: (BEFORE replying know that EVERYONE IN THE GAME INDUSTRY KNOWS THAT GRAPHICS ALONE AREN'T IMPORTANT. NOT AS IMPORTANT AS GAMEPLAY. BUT WHEN THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION IS GRAPHICS, DISCUSS GRAPHICS. A GOOD GAME + GOOD GRAPHICS IS BETTER THAN AN EQUAL GAME WITHOUT THE EXTRAS. IF THATS NOT TRUE, THEN WE COULD JUST STAY WITH THE WII/PS2.)

Alan Wake Teasers/PC Demo vs KZ2. How long has Wake been in development btw?

Ok, Kz2 wins there.

Gears 2 vs KZ2...

Ok Kz2 wins there.

I think the 360 tries to have its cake and eat it too, but it never answers any of Sony's Exclusive Technical Powerhouses. The only responses you ever hear;

1. KZ2 took soo long to develop.
- Alan Wake didn't? What about Huxley? Its been a while since 2005. So far you have KZ2 standing unopposed.

2. Gears2 is the graphics king!
- see KZ2.

3. GRAPHICS DONT MATTER!
- Yes, they dont. And everyone knows this. But don't claim GEARS2 is king of the graphics, then when someone mentions Uncharted, respond that Graphics don't matter. Its silly, and stupid.

Graphics aren't important to gameplay. BUt the evolution of gameplay definitely includes graphics. If the 360 can't keep up with Uncharted(Textures\Shaders\AMo unt Of Enemies\Ai\Animation\Stream Loading, Water), let alone KZ2, what makes anyone think that some how Alan Wake(a multiplat) is going to do any of what GG just developed with the KZ2 engine? When the 360 has games optimized to run on it, they pail in comparisson to PS3 titles.

Here are the PS3's Graphical Powerhouses.

1. KZ2
2. MGS4
3. GT5p
4. Wipeout HD
5. Heavenly Sword
6. MLB08
7. Uncharted
8. Motorstorm2(m1)
9. Naruto
10.Resistance2(r1)
11.Ratchet & Clank
12. Little Big Planet
13. Heavy Rain
14. Warhawk
15. id say gow3 but its not seen yet.

Xbox360 Graphical Powerhouses.

1. Gears2(g1)
2. Dead Rising
3. Just Cause
4. Halo3
5. Forza2
6. Fable2
7. PGR4

None of those titles even touch Uncharted, and thats like Step 1. No multiplat comes close to KZ2/MGS4/Uncharted/R2/Motorsto rm2.

Its time for people to start either admitting this, or show how amazingly blind they are. I keep saying Uncharted because that game was literally called the best looking game out, by gametrailers, and highly praised for its technical abilities by ign/gamespot/gamepro/eurogamer /blah blah blah.

What non PS3-Exclusive game can tangle with PS3 exclusives? Ready? GO!

Edit: Lets count the disagrees of the gamers here so busy playing games, right? Unless you have a PS3.. you aren't using a console to browse the web.

[Deadlyhifi]

Why would you even bother commenting when you are such a narrow minded person.

You just want to say PS3 is better for the millionth time. Your posts are getting boring. GIve up. Play some games instead of talking about them.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

But graphics dosen't always sell. Prime example, the Wii.

[bmatthews]

i have to agree with you there...I don't know how others see your comments as bias or fanboism...your simply stating the facts

Uncharted looks stunning and that was a first year PS3 exclusive, till today IMO no game has beat Uncharted graphics, there are debates as to whether Gears 2 looks better than Uncharted, but IMHO i think Uncharted looks better...what does that say?

now look at Killzone 2, simply unbelievable, we are yet to see GOW3 and Uncharted 2...so no comments on those, however those are supposed to look mind blowing. it's a fact that with the Cell, the PS3 is a much more powerful console, no bias no fanboism, no bullsh!t, the PS3 is clearly the more powerful of the two.

and lets not forget Wardevil, all these games and only in the 2nd year of the PS3.

is the 360 maxed out? well, that depends on what we see in 2009, will there be a 360 exclusive game with better graphics than Gears 2?? who knows...

[Blademask]

If you want to say that Gears2 has better graphics than KZ2, be my guest. Same with Forza2 looking better than GT5p. Be my guest

The topic is HHG's show, which Im talking about. Which I'm flat out asking anyone to step up to the plate and simply reply.

I don't have a narrow mind, I am calling a spade a spade. A narrow mind would be thinking that GG in 4 years hasn't developed a new engine superior to the aging Unreal Engine.

Again, if you cant respond, dont waste my time crying about how you think n4g should be.

I love watching the usual 'buh buh' happen on this site. Whenever the topic is CLEARLY about one thing, the BUH BUH wants to mention something else. Here let me get this out of the way.

1. GRAPHICS DONT MATTER

OK?

Now that thats done. When we are talking about Graphics vs Graphics, and what games have the better graphics when the hardware is optimized to run the game, guess what? PS3 stomps all over everything. And the PS3 games with good graphics, SELL ENOUGH TO WARRANT SEQUELS. Or we wouldn't see:

Uncharted2
Resistance2
Motorstorm2

Either you want to talk about graphics, stick to graphics, try to bring up some titles that can run with the PS3, or just go back to the stupid 'buh buh' arguments that are irrelevant.

Edit @ Games4fun:

Hell ya the PC is better lol. By a landslide. Crysis stomps all over KZ2. But, the topic isn't how the PS3 looks better than the 360, but falls behind the PC. Its about the PS3 having better hardware/gametechnology than the 360 which no one can even just reply with titles to get this discussion going!

Thats a cheapshot bro! lol.

edit:

#8, Mass Effect oh wait, its multiplat. Nevermind.

[games4fun]

what has better graphics than a ps3? a pc. that's about it. Although the k2 engine on pc would probably be ungodly.

[Deadlyhifi]

I actually think the PS3 will in it's obviously long life cycle have better graphics than the xbox. By that point though I imagine the next xbox will be out.

But that isn't the point is it. The question is has it reached its limit. Not does the PS3 have better graphics.

Also.. for the record I haven't enjoyed a game yet because it has good graphics. So the age old arguement of graphics aren't as important as gameplay will always ring true.

[Jamegohanssj5]

Blademask you're the fricking man. Ignore the shallow minded dude.

TGSI

[Immortal Kaim]

Everyone claims Uncharted has some of the best graphics, but I don't know, it doesn't really stand out to me. I mean, I haven't actually played more than a few hours of the game, but from what I have seen, it is a fairly limiting, linear environment (same with Gears).

I am more personally impressed with titles with scope, take Assassins Creed for example, the open vistas are visually impressive whilst displaying huge landscapes.

Thoughts?

[bmatthews]

mate, your really missing out on the experience that is Uncharted, and I can tell you the visuals are splendid, you should play the game more, you will see just how good it looks and plays.

[00]

And you know this how?.

[Danja]

most likely it's going Multi-plat like Bioshock..

[CViper]

http://masseffect.bioware.c...

As far as optimized hardware goes, you can't use a multi-platform title thats not purely optimized to run on one specification, as any measuring stick. Imo.

[dirtrider]

HAS KILLZONE 2 BEEN RELEASED YET??? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!so why are you comparing FINISHED released games to one that isn't? sit down sony turdboy. when killzone 2 is released and it sells like sh1t because people remember how worthless the first one was i'm going to be laughing soooooo hard! killzone 2 = more money down the drain for sony- watch and see.

[nycredude]

Maybe you should refrain from posting stupid comments because you just OWNED yourself. You are right that everyone is comparing finished games to the yet unfinished Killzone 2. That alone tells you how good Killzone 2 looks and plays already.

Blademask, although irritating at times, usually just states the facts and lets the fanboys take it to another level. Sometimes I think he revels in the power he has over the pea size brains of the average fanboy.

[jerethdagryphon]

yes it pretty yes its fun now stop mentioning it im trying to avoid thinking about how many trophys i still have to get :)

[Blademask]

This is exactly what im talking about. Call it fanboyish, whatever you want.

I just laid out facts, included all 360 titles.. and Nothing. You knowwwwwww how bad people want to actually disagree, *look at the disagrees* Yet, no one can name 1 title. If Bladestar/Mart can troll 900000 pages on a Metal Gear Green Icon, yet, cant bring up any titles for this story? lol come on.

Again, If you cant even name a title that shows the 360 hasn't maxed out with Gears2, uh. You just prove my point. Although, it doesn't need much proving, because anyone with eyes can see the games, and look at the technical behind the scenes to see how they back up the visuals with technology.

I'm just sick of the BS. I can give equal credit to everything, I just wish the gaming media/community was the same way. If the 360 gets applause for having sales/xbl then the ps3 should definitely get the credit for delivering second to none games that were the reasons most of you bought PS3. Instead of this bs about how the 360 has sales/games/hardware power and the PS3 is just a 900 dollar bluray player. Thats just nonsense.

[xbotpleasefixme]

Pull up a chair boys and girls the fanboys are about to come out of the shadows and show themselves. BE CAREFUL though I heard if you look directly into their eyes you turn into one of them...

[InMyOpinion]

Look directly into their eyes and you RROD on the spot.

[MolotovMan1263]

With a name like yours, it looks like they've already come out...

[v1c1ous]

you pissed off PS3 fanboys with your last title, and now you try and piss off 360 fanboys with this week's title.

I have to hand it to you hiphoplamer. you are a succesful troll. touche.

[Blademask]

HHG is doing what most gaming media is supposed to do. Not be biased.

If the PS3 is screwing up, hes on top of it. When the 360 bumbles, hes on top of it.

Unlike other sites that have a CLEAR bias towards one console or another, I'd say HHG is one of the most straight shooters out there.

Pissing of ALL sides means that all sides get equal treatment. If you don't like it.. you don't have to waste all your bubbles/time.

[games4fun]

i consider it to be at least equal as you put it in "trolling". if the biased sites would at least writeup some articles bashing the other at least i would not be as angry at them.

hip-hop i dont like your show all too much as i'm not into rap but i at least must compliment your attitude when i watched your show it was at least genuine which seems kind of hard to find these days.

[dirtrider]

i guess hiphop got tired of all the "hate" messages from the ps3 crowd last week. i guess he took my advice last week on how to win the sony fanboy's love back this week

[Optimus_Prime]

Like 1up said, Killzone 2 is a B quality game.

If that's considered to be the "next generation of gaming" then we are screwed.

[Graphics Whore]

You really are a Xbox Fanboy at heart, congrats, you've proved yourself, I think N4G would now like you to stop.

[games4fun]

and here i thought that optimus prime fought bots... guess i was wrong lol

I'll take k2 as next gen of gaming over gears 2 anyday. Not because gears 2 looks bad but because for their graphics they have 5v5 matches and corridor gameplay with characters stuck to the ground. try going off of a staircase and you will know what i mean. Who gives your enemies the ability to jump but finds it technically unachievable to give the player that ability too.

gears is a great game imo but if i had to choose what would be the next gen of gaming i'll take the best graphics on console and an awesome animation/lighting engine with destructability over a middleware UE.

[airheadluffy]

i think optimus prime is an autobot. he fights decepticons.

@5
you do understand that what that guy said was just an opinion and not a fact. you cant say that its a fact that a game is good, average, or bad.

[Graphics Whore]

I can't tell you if the Xbox 360 is maxed out, but they do need to show something more sophisticated than Gears of War 2 in terms of graphics to keep up.

[elorm9]

Pretty sure they maxed it out with Gears 2

[ElementX]

I think Gears 2 has excellent graphics. I don't see why people think they're horrible or something.

[Man_of_the_year]

If you listen to the BitBag you will hear HHG get laughed at several times by Torrent. HHG talks like KZ2 is the second coming of christ and everyone was laughing at him. HHG you are a tool to blind to see the truth right in front of ya. Keep the BS titles coming - you need the hits.

HHG is so biased you would think he gets paid by Sony. I have watched 2 episodes and will never watch this fanboy ever again. However i will continue to listen to The Bitbag - episode #26 was great and i am still laughing at HHG and how he got destroyed by Torrent.

[So Easy I Can Do It]

!

[bigman7387]

Because BitBag is the be all end all of gaming news.

Why does everyone hate this freaking show. So far most of the stuff he has said has been true. Grow up people.

[Man_of_the_year]

what are you talking about so far everything on his show have been true - the guy only talks about speculations and his opinions trying to pass them off as fact. The guy uses articles on N4G to get his "in the know" information.

You need to open your eyes

[omegaheat]

Will someone please shut this guy down (Hiphopgamer). He's a poor representation of what hip hop is about and by far the most biased blogger I know of. Every podcast that gets released, the guy makes a fool of himself talking about how much potential is still left in the PS3's capabilities and how we'll soon see the power of the PS3 in 2009. It was the same story for 2008. Are gamers supposed to wait this long just for one game to come out and allegedly surmount the 360's capabilities. If you ask me, I don't think it should take any developer 4 years or so to release a fps. That's just as bad as Bungie having Halo3 in development for 3 years and then releasing pretty much the same game.

[cp68]

It's that simple. Go cry about it elsewhere. I enjoy this show, and will always do so. KZ2 is nextgen, whether you like it or not. And say that the media blowout few days ago were from an old build...admit it 360 fanboys, you have lost.

[Jager]

Um, KZ2 was NOT in Dev for 4 years, GG didnt even Finish Killzone Liberation until 2006. aka, KZ2 dev time = 3 Years, same as BOTH Halo 2 (3 year Dev time) and Halo 3 (3 year Dev time). Plz dont pull bs numbers out of your ass?

[GiantEnemyCrab]

cp68: "...admit it 360 fanboys, you have lost."

hrm..

Looks at the numbers..

Nope you're still losing. Add this comment to the other crappy BS comments you post on this site.

[elorm9]

What kind of intro was that at the beginning? I hated it... :|

[DOOMZ]

Not this nut again!

[Rice]

I love how they rap in the beginning of the show...

[solidjun5]

this won't go well.

[PoSTedUP]

damn son your brother live up to his name man, RAW, DOG. spit hot s***, NY do it up!

and good looking out on recognizing my article. rise to the top my dude. 1luv.

[lokiroo420]

Ifv your talking about the 400 gig disc I posted that sh1t like two before you bro, but go ahead and think your cool.

[PoSTedUP]

my article was "is the ps3 really doing that bad" ...iight?

[heyheyhey]

no N4G cameo.... no view

[InMyOpinion]

I have no hate for Hiphopgamer...but I would not mind if the ones who keep approving his articles were victims in a *cough* accident *cough*.

[Obama]

What accident? Is it an accident that you have slept with Cliff B?

[Scotracer]

What? Cliffy B is hot - I would.

[Xheratuul]

2009 will be the worst year of 360.

[InMyOpinion]

Yeah, just like 2007 and 2008 were the years when the PS3 destroyed the 360...2009 will probably be COMPLETELY different ;)

[Xheratuul]

2008 was a wait until november for 360

[Graphics Whore]

It really was, all in all, pretty poor year for the Xbox 360.

[Xheratuul]

all 360 only owners wished they could go back to 2007, their happiest year.

[00]

Actually it was wait until 2008 for the ps3.

[InMyOpinion]

Still, it had no problems competing with the PS3 this year either. I think this year was the year of multiplat games.

GTA IV
Dead Space
Fallout 3
Prince of Persia
GRID
Battlefield: Bad Company
Mirror's Edge
Brothers in Arms HH
FarCry 2
Call of duty 5: World At War
Saints Row 2
Mercenaries 2
Silent Hill: Homecoming
Star Wars: Force Unleashed

etc.

Not all of them great, but always a little bit better looking when played on the 360. As has become somewhat of a standard.

[Graphics Whore]

Yeah, however no games shined like MGS4.

[InMyOpinion]

Define "shined"?

Gears of War 2 pretty much b!tchslapped every PS3 exclusive released this year.

"In its opening weekend, the game has sold over two million units,[54] and set a new record for the number of simultaneous players on Xbox Live, with over 1.5 million people logging on to play the game's multiplayer mode."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

1.5 million people only for Gears 2. I wonder if PSN has ever had that many users online simultaneously lol.

[Graphics Whore]

Jenzo, no offence but Gears of War 2 barely made a blip for peoples GOTY. Think what you want but the victor looks like it's going to be MGS4 whether you agree with it or not.

Not to mention Gears of War 2 match making is severely broken at the moment.

[Stryfeno2]

Jenzo, why bother trying to explain facts to these droids? They are still stun from FFXIII news. Let them continue to live in their 3rd place world.

[Graphics Whore]

Oh boy, fanboys are gonna jump off of bridges when MGS4 wins GOTY.

[KingDizzi]

Good episode this week, last week was when hiphopgamer sure made some enemies thanks to the wonderful title.

[Spike47]

Has the Xbox360 maxed out? The most important part of a game is gameplay. None of the current gen consoles can max out on that, the PS3 is obviously superior in graphics, and although it really enhances the gameplay to make it more realistic lets not forget gameplay is important aswell.

Gamers should not worry much about graphics, I am happy that I can get agame such as Killzone 2 on my PS3 that looks soo realistic, and the gameplay seems to be incredible.

This topic is pointless, and both PS3 and xbox360 fans can spin this in many ways, so don't even try.

[Software_Lover]

Just a different day. Killzone 2 does look good. Anyone who fails to see that is a joke. But, once again I say, best graphics mean nothing. Crysis has the best graphics (of any game console or pc) but I still didn't see it as a great game. I like it, but I would rather play Uncharted, or Halo 3. I would play Burnout before picking up GT5 prologue. I prefer splinter cell to Metal Gear Solid 4, even though I picked up the limited edition MGS4.

Maxed out graphics are one thing. But maxed out fun is another. I have had more fun playing wii sports than most games this gen for the ps3/360. People are so concerned about graphics that they let their fanboy saliva cloud everything else about the game or games.

Just have fun and stop crying about some of this crap. Its video games.

[nycredude]

No offence, and with all due respect, you need to either get more games or go out and play real sports. While I agree Wii sports is fun, but only for a while and when you have lots of people over with beer. Try playing by yourself and see how much fun you have. I prefer the real thing over some bs inaccurate wannabe simulation.

[lokiroo420]

wii sports loses it fun after about two tries, are you 10? your opinion just went from jack sh1t to pp status.

[OOG]

:/

[games4fun]

although i think the ps3 has the best graphics for consoles now, gameplay as always reigns supreme.

Example: I'm going to go play socom confrontation, it has some mediocore at best graphics so why am i playing it? its gameplay keeps me coming back

would i like it to look like killzone 2 though? you bet your mother f'n a$$ i do.

[Homicide]

Not really. The 360 has more ram and a stronger GPU. If a 360 exclusive had the same budget as KZ2, then I'm pretty sure it'll exceed KZ2 in graphics because it's cheaper and easier to develop on the 360.

[GWAVE]

Actually, if you knew ANYTHING about developing games for consoles, you'd know that processing power is now the king. RAM and GPU certainly help, yet in this regard the PS3 and 360 aren't that much different. The 360's RAM and GPU aren't necessarily better. They're just different. Both the 360 and PS3 have the same basic specs when it comes to GPU and RAM. The major difference is in the processors, and the PS3 beats out the 360 without breaking a sweat.

[Graphics Whore]

Okay then why hasn't it been done if it is so cheap and easy, don't use money as a limitation.

If it CAN be done, it could have already been done, PS3 is on it's 2nd cycle and the Xbox is in it's 3rd. Your excuse is pretty juvenile.

[Britney Spears]

wrong it has the same ram and weaker gpu. quit using excuses.360 has been out longer and has not shown a game to match kz 2 or heavy rain.

[cliffbo]

when i see a game on the 360 that has 40 - 50GB compressed to 7.5GB without losing quality and shows all the tech that KZ2 uses then i'll believe you. watch those videos carefully and take the whole scenes in. don't just look at the character and the guy he's killing, take a look around. that isn't window dressing, that is game. look at the squalls of smoke as people pass through, look at the metal fragments that bounce on the floor and slowly cool, look at the many different ways the enemy dies depending on where and how they are shot, look at the smoke, the lighting. check out the gun turrets and not how not only does the metal reflect the world around it but it alters depending on the light and where it's coming from... it goes on and on. really scrutinize the videos and you too will understand why the industry is excited about KZ2

[jerethdagryphon]

ok simple math

360 has 512 meg shared = same as a low end laptop thats ram split between cpu and gpu granted the gpu has a 10meg intregrated ramebuffer but thats not here nor there
all this ram is ddr2 clocked at 700mhz

ps3 has 256 xdr clocked at 3.2ghz this is completly sharable ram
if rsx needs a bit fo it it takes it

it also has 256 dedicated ram for the gpu ie the rsx

now simple math 256+256=512
as or that 10 meg buffer the 360 has other then antialiasing and holding renderd frames in memory until needed it is unaccessable by the system

meaning
360= 512
ps3= 512

ps3s system ram is faster in fact its clocked at the same speed as the main chip

info from
http://talkplaystation.com/...

[GWAVE]

Well, I don't really care what this guy says.

However, I do know that Cliffy B (project lead on the two best-looking games on the 360) said that Gears 2 pushed the 360 to the limits. I'm inclined to believe that.

And I find the "graphics versus gameplay" argument to be hilarious. Fanboys change their tune when it suits them. Remember when Gears 2 came out and everyone was talking about how Gears 2's graphics "murdered" the graphics in Resistance 2? Remember how everyone bragged about that? Remember how just a few weeks later when Left 4 Dead came out, 360 fanboys defended the game's mediocre graphics and claimed that gameplay is more important?

Hilarious.

[jack who]

oh ya its sooooooo maxed out /s

[Spike47]

MGS4 and Uncharted have this, and I beleieve K2 will aswell despite what the haters say, typically 1up and the Biased Squadron along with fanboys who will never play the game possibly or will make up stories.

Come February 29th, I don't expect anyone to tell me based on reviews how bad or good K2 is, mostly those hating will never play it.

[Antan]

From what ive seen, i think KZ2 graphically is truly the 1st console specific title where the words next gen truly apply! We have seen great looking games of course, GT5P, Gears 1 and 2 etc etc but some of the things KZ2 is acheiving simply have not been seen before on a console. The technology behind it is simply stunning. I have a lot of friends at Sony and they are saying "we have seen nothing yet"!

[kewlkat007]

Second coming of christ..???

I wonder if Uncharted 2 will look better than the first cause if not the PS3 is tapped...still a good looking game though.

Can't wait for that tapped article...

[GiantEnemyCrab]

haha yup, Uncharted 2 better be leaps and bounds better or the PS3 is maxed out.

[EndHawkstrike]

If it runs better on Xbox 360 than I will to buy one.

[DA_SHREDDER]

But im afraid that its not gonna last once the ps3 starts getting out their AAA titles next year.

[Wile]

I thought 2008 was the year that...oh nevermind.

[EndHawkstrike]

Look at Resident Evil 5,it looks better than Uncharted,MGS 4,R&C:ToD etc.in my opinion and its a multiplatform title. PS:Sorry for my bad english.

[Britney Spears]

killzone looks better than re5 easily. 360 maxed out,i don't see nothing that they have exclusive that matches ps3.

[GWAVE]

It would be fair to compare games that have come out within the same time frame. By the time RE5 comes out, both MGS4 and Uncharted will be a year old.

Instead, compare RE5 to a game like KZ2, and the statement that PS3 exclusives look better than multiplatform games is still accurate.

[N4PS3G]

lol hiphopgamer man ..you get the worst closet fanboy award!

Cliffy lied to you? The game creator told you it wasn't coming but he lied to you ?? but michael patcher says Gears is coming to the ps3 ..and he must be right?

I wonder why don't you add to this article ..Did Kojima san lie to us? because Michel Patcher also said that Metal gear Solid 4 is coming to the xbox 360

link: http://www.gametrailers.com... <- proof

Why don't you change the title description now huh?

[Britney Spears]

gears of war is on pc too.

[Wile]

spears you are reaching! that whole "it's on PC so it ain't exclusive" doesn't fly. But nice try.

[The Karate Kid]

The 360 is the hottest system out right now, but I believe by the spring it's going to be washed out. no BIG titles coming out next year that's going to go up against Killzone 2/God Of War 3/Uncharted 2/GT5.......Add in a $299.99 price point and Sony will be taking over the industry very soon. Many don't like to factor in Japan, but look at this here!

At $299.99 PS3's will be selling over 50,000 units a week in Japan. They will eventually start outselling the 360 in Europe by 50,000+ a week, and in North America probably will eventually start outselling 360 again by 20,000+ units a week!

Add in the fact that Blu-Ray will just continue to grow & grow and without 360 having some type of Graphical prowness game to come out and compete, Microsoft can find themselves in some serious trouble.

I believe Microsoft knows this, and by the way... that Final Fantasy 13 version on 360 will be very gimped! Everyone in North America will buy the PS3 version regardless!!!

[Lombax]

Because the state their opinions, or just flat out lies, as FACT.

PS3 fanboys state facts.

Here's 1 for you: PS3 has already outsold the 360. Yeah its a FACT...

XB360 sells 8.3 million a year.
PS3 sells 8.5 million a year.

[ElementX]

LOL

Your comment goes both ways.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

LOL! Why am I not surprised you are a PS3 supporter with logic like that.

[Foxgod]

wow, it would only take sony 20 years to catch up to MS with those numbers.

[FF7numba1]

willing to bet ps3 outlast 360.

[Wile]

Probably considering that MS is talking new console in 2010 - 11.

[baodeus]

I don't think FANBOY use facts and i do mean both PS3 and 360. They don't think about the business aspect of the game industry. They think like they are the center of the universe and their own opinion is the truth that represent for everyone else. for example (my game look better than your game = fact?).

"Why 360 fanboys make me mad...
Because the state their opinions, or just flat out lies, as FACT.
PS3 fanboys state facts."

I think you are a pretty funny with that statement.....hum.....i sure hope you still have time to edit that comment of yours, or best remove it. I can list a million quotes from both side that aren't facts. Example "MGS4 will destroy the 360" sound familiar. If you haven't following the news, PS3 is still behind the 360 and especially the Wii. Games still sell better on the 360 than PS3. Overall, the total PS3 units sold are still behind the 360. That is MS strategy for this generation, go out first and get market share and what do you know, it works. What companies doesn't want their product out before their competitor? Their quality might be questionable, but hey 3 years warranty is better than none (

Now i think HHG made some good points, still prediction or opinion but they are fairly exceptable.

Now if you have been in working industry, the bottom line is that companies just want to make more MONEY. Companies do compete and what do you know, they don't have to, the fanboys are already hard at work for them. In the end, competition is good for business and for the consumer including you and me. Without it, we probably still be back in the stone age.

[Magic_The_Celt]

Yep the 360 is maxed out, and yes indeed Killzone 2 is the true next generation of gaming, only on PLAYSTATION 3

[robotnik]

Yep, it feels good to be a PLAYSTATION®3 owner man

[caffman]

its better to be a multiplat owner

[robotnik]

Well this guy speaks the truth, Xbox is pretty dead anyways, so who cares? PLAYSTATION® 3 brings the cards to the table in terms of good games and full hardware reliability.

[ElementX]

Pretty dead when 95% of multi-platform titles sell better on 360 and the 360 exclusives sell millions more then PS3 exclusives?

You're just a troll who posts fanboy BS on every thread. I've checked your comments, every one is against MS and 360. Grow up.

[lokiroo420]

element so what does buying bad games in quantity have to do with being alive and fighting against your competitors? Do you forget that multiplats are now going to be ported to the box? I wonder why. maybe because games can shine on a better system?

[ElementX]

I own both systems so I can buy the better vwersion. Robotnik seems to think that the 360 is dead, which it's not. It's seen one of the best months since launch.

[JD_Shadow]

Don't listen to any of them. You're really the only one with any sense on the Bitbag, you're basically carrying THAT site as you might be able to do any site. I don't agree with you 100% of the time, but then again, when does anyone agree with anyone 100% of the time?

But yeah, the KZ2 thing looks awesome and I do agree that if that thing gets big as it looks like it's going to be, then there's going to be alot of panic on MS fanboys' end and on MS themselves. I think you should try to put some of that game footage onto an HD quality if you can, because the quality that you had it record in now may not do the game justice (hell, I don't think viral video could do a game that awesome justice regardless).

That and if MS wants to go casual, they will give Sony a HUGE opening to take them over in sales because the hardcore market is what MADE the 360 and the XBox franchise what it is so far, and they won't be able to get as many people buying their games and thus finding a new avenue to get their hardcore fix on, and at that point, the only other avenue would be the PS3 because what else would there be besides the PC market that has a lot of its own naysayers? That is something that I can't remember if you brought it up or not, but if you didn't, it's also a good thing to be brought up. That and MS needs to stop worry about making PS3 exclusives go multiplatform and worry about producing their own IPs (which is also something I think you should've said because alot of people believe that MS is not getting themselves prepared for the long haul and are only trying to beat Sony right now.

Oh, and Cliffy B said a LOT of unbelievable things lately. Did GoW2 do ANYTHING on the 360 that the PS3 wasn't capable of? The answer to that could probably give you an indication about the GoW multiplatform issue.

And finally, THANK YOU about the developers being lazy about porting good 360 titles the the PS3 as absolute crap. If KZ2 can do those graphics and THAT gameplay with 60% of the PS3's capabilities, then they should be able to get whatever engine they want to use working GOOD on the PS3 (Valve, talking to you, especially).

EDIT: It seems that we have nothing but MS fanboys going about here. Got three disagrees ALREADY and an ignore added on now. Jeezus, not only can you not reason with a fanboy, you can't get them to swallow their pride for two seconds.

Seriously, are you guys THAT desperate? Shut up for a moment and actually LISTEN to what this guy is saying, because I don't think any of you are even WATCHING and HEARING this guy's show and only going on the headlines alone.

@Foxgod: And what if the game is just that damn good, eh? I've heard nothing but good things about the beta (and that about a BETA, not the real thing yet, usually you never hear that many good things about a BETA for ANYTHING). Maybe they are relying on a shooter because it may just be THAT! DAMN! GOOD!

[Foxgod]

i have heard nothing but good things about GeOw2, how are you gonna measure what people say compared to what people say ?

And i dont think the game will be that damn good, i am an rpg guy, although i like shooters, no shooter can deliver the same fun as an rpg to me.

[lokiroo420]

Rpgs are about as lame as all your comments and your box, rpg's are dead, you can bury them next to your next dead 360.

[tordavis]

"You're really the only one with any sense on the Bitbag, you're basically carrying THAT site"

Whatever helps you sleep at night bro.

[JD_Shadow]

You don't believe that you're site wouldn't be as good if it wasn't for him? I think he has alot of sense and would carry ANY site. You decided to recruit him for a reason, obviously! You believe you would be as good without him? I don't think you should take that as that much of an insult on you as much as it is a compliment for him.

Only thing I wish is that he had a better budget to make a more highly sophisticated show, but don't we ALL wish we had something like X-Play or ATOS?

[Darkseider]

"And finally, THANK YOU about the developers being lazy about porting good 360 titles the the PS3 as absolute crap. If KZ2 can do those graphics and THAT gameplay with 60% of the PS3's capabilities, then they should be able to get whatever engine they want to use working GOOD on the PS3 (Valve, talking to you, especially)."

A lot of people have been saying this for a LONG time and everyone says... ooh no it's not lazy devs. Look at R&C, Uncharted, GT5:P and KZ2. Answer: Yes it is.

An agree and bubbles for you!

[tordavis]

I recruited him for a reason yes, but there are other things on my site besides HHGS that people enjoy. Gamer Cribs, Japan Gaming, Gamer Chats, E3 footage, Candid Anthony, The Warzone and now The Queens Of The Pwn Age. Our site is not carried by just one thing, it's carried by a collaboration of gamers bringing something fresh to the gaming community. It's not just HHG but it's the synergy that everyone is bringing that makes thebitbag.com a great community site. You may not know this but most of HHG's traffic goes to his own site now, not thebitbag.com.

[Radiodread]

You have nothing in 2009 worth nothing except Alan Wait, but as the name suggests, when is it coming out? Gears of War 2 can't be your best looking game forvever. K2 will b!tch slap it over and over next year, then what will be your next "best-looking" game. Gears 2 is nothing special, its possible on ps3 we all know that because UEIII is possible on ps3. Look at UTIII on ps3. Yeah I do believe the 360 is maxed out at gears 2. Sad, really.

[die_fiend]

Ur mentality amazes me. Gears 2 is the best looking console game out, that's just a fact u imbecile lol! Killzone 2 looks better graphically but it's not out. So basically 360 has had the best graphics until now, and as soon as a game comes out that betters it it's gonna b!tch slap it? I doubt it's maxed out on Gears 2 u n00b. Epic made 2 Gears games and they smashed all graphics at the time, like Gears 2 is doing now lol! If Epic had spent the last 4 years making one game that was coming out next year, I'm damn sure it'd look as good as Killzone. Does the fact that it's taken them so long 2 make help explain to u y it looks better than other games or are you too intelligent?

[steck67]

I dont care what anybody says. Whether its flame bait or not; I personally think that most of the HHG shows are somewhat entertaining. You guys are just over reacting a bit.

[mario888]

HHG Rules, he should get a SHOW ON G4.

[Nexy]

Choices, choices, choices,,,

Should I believe fanboys who don't have any idea about not only technology but also about grammar?

Or should I believe the guys actually involved in gaming industry who claim the differences between PS3 and X360 are much smaller than the differences between PS2 and Xbox?

Nah, I will stick wit professionals making successful games rather than no-lifes who believe PS3 is much more powerful than X360...

[Britney Spears]

It is more powerful,killzone 2 already surpasses everything 360 has and it's only 2 years in the ps3 cycles. Keep living in denial...

[Foxgod]

killzone this, killzone that.....

I start to find it lame that people rely so heavily on a shooter....
What happened to all those other ps3 games that fanbois where advertising so wildly ?

Are they not worth mentioning anymore cause they are a thing of the past ?
Its like all sony fanbois care about is anticipation, even though they constantly turn out to be an anticlimax.

[DiabloRising]

And Gears of War 2 isn't a shooter? You know the game people rely on to show off the power of the 360? Or is it only a shooter when its in comparison with R2? People need to make up their minds.

KZ2 is a big title, coming in 2 months, of course people are going to talk about it a lot. Also remember that, sadly, gamers are bred this generation to start hyping the next big thing instead of reflecting on what's out, its how the media works and sustains itself. Halo ODST, Alan Wake? The media hypes the next big thing and sadly many gamers follow suit.

But don't bash only PS3 fanboys for doing it, it's industry wide, and for example I've see more about the goddamn NXE thanks to MS's advertising and head drilling than I did about Fable 2 and Gears 2. What does that say about how we react to our hobby?

[jerethdagryphon]

or you can read whitepapers made by the companys who make the hardware

and findout the real story

xenon= 38gigaflops
cell =218 gigaflops and thats from ibm who made both chips

[Darkseider]

"killzone this, killzone that.....

I start to find it lame that people rely so heavily on a shooter...."

This why the 360 camp praises Halo 3 and Gears 2, right? Although not just KZ2 that's being praised by the PS3 camp, MGS4, R&C, Uncharted, GT5:P, Heavy Rain, LBP, Heavenly Sword, WipeoutHD just to mention a few. I don't see 360 supporters praising Banjo Kazooie, Viva Pinata, Forza, etc... It's funny when the shoe is on the other foot and a FPS on the PS3 absolutely and utterly stomps on anything the 360 can do graphically and gameplay let alone the other titles I just mentioned, kthxbye.

[steck67]

This zone entertains me more than the gamer zone. Fanboys calling others fanboys lol

[DarK-SilV]

F#ck all these stupid fanboys, one time he is Xbox fanboy ,then he’s Ps3 fanboy, just watch the f#ching show and listen to what he has to say, he has Facts, opinions and lot of rumors(most of them are true .just like the ps3 price cut) .
It’s a great show, if you don’t like it don’t watch it

[steck67]

Finally, somebody that understands. lol

[interrergator]

and the wii is like yea im gona win

[Foxgod]

i got a wii, maybe i should act like a wii fanboi :P
Its gonna win anyway, i would win every argument.

[FF7numba1]

sure when its beats ps2, similar hard ps2vs wii, 360 vs ps3. Ps2 has 100 million head start, good luck wii.

[Foxgod]

okay, you will get some fanboi smack now.

Metroid on the wii kicks the poop out of any shooter on the ps2, theres no comparision.
Take to that that the wii sells like madness, and keeps going strong, your beloved ps2 will be nowhere in no time.

The wii is also comparable to the original xbox, and the original xbox had the ps2 for lunch.

The wii so much owns the ps2, just look at mario galaxy and its 480p goodness, can the ps2 do 480p , i dont think so.
Besides, wii was released this gen, and not during the span of you last gen ps2 garbage, so gtfo you ps2 fanboi. :)

[lokiroo420]

Foxgod you want to compare ps2 games to the wii, both god of wars beet anything on the wii hands down, flame on flamer! and the original box had ps2 for lunch, ha, really dont have a clue do you, does your mommy know you post crap on the internet, maybe she can buy you something else to keep you happy.

[Darkseider]

Umm SOCOM, the original, can be displayed at 480p as can many other PS2 games. Gran Turismo 4 and Tourist Trophy, if memory serves right, can do 1080i. The PS2 can also display 720p although there isn't a single game that supports it to my knowledge. kthxbye

[interrergator]

uhhh foxgod ps2 knockd out every competitor knocked out n64 dreamcast xbox and wii hardly has any hardcore games not some dumbass game like animal crossing

[PS3_FANTASY]

yes the 360 is maxed out

[Britney Spears]

@foxgod god- 360 fanboys do the same. I actually prefer resistance 2 over killzone 2 from what i have played. I mentioned KZ 2 because we were discussing graphics.

[Foxgod]

well discuss al you want, 360 people prefer geow2 gfx, and ps3 people prefer kz2 gfx.

Theres no real difference in terms of gfx between these two games (none of the two blows the other out of the water), and no 360 owner aside from an occasional will ever admit that kzone 2 looks better.
And no ps3 owner aside from an occasional will ever admit that geow2 looks better.

[PirateThom]

lol banned to the open zone, what a joke.

[DiabloRising]

No, the 360 is not tapped.

No, MS won't let Gears go multiplatform.

I hate casuals when they influence hardcore devs, and their influence on the industry is already disgusting (PoP made easier, R2 way easy... MM9 was the biggest challenge this year).

KZ2 Beta looks amazing in motion.

[prejur]

hiphopgamer is much more knowledgeable than most industry "professionals" in that he can make proper analysis of what's going in the industry and the man speaks his mind.

every hiphopgamer thread is full of hate for the guy and guess what, if any of you could do better then DO IT, otherwise, quit getting on the guy for stating his opinion.

[Salta_nelas]

"LOL Alan Wake is more graphically impressive than KZ2 and Ferarri Project kills GT5.

There are multi platform games that beat gears and KZ
"

I pitty you.

[tk]

No it is not maxed out. There will always be some new technique to optimize performance. PS3 has the advantage - as the SPU's are only now being utilized as we see in KZ2 - so the gap will widen. But this does not mean that the XB360 will not improve as well.

[celldomceen1]

I dont know if its tapped but at this point i dont care i just gave my 360 to my lil bro for Christmas, being tapped means nothing to me i care about the games and next year im just not excited to play any of their games and the ones i am excited about are multiplat.

[PattyWacker]

I cant lie, HipHop Gamer does get a lot of hits, most coming because of the Titles of his pages. 180 comments in 20mins. Funny stuff. No xbox360 isnt maxed out, yes Killzone 2 will be amazing. Cliffy B is a f@g, and of course Microsoft is targeting wii's audience. Who doesn't want a peice of that 30+million pie.

[Salta_nelas]

The ripples kz2 has caused in the industry are fun to watch, specially fanboys saying the 360 has technicaly capable games to rival it..lol. Common, lets get serious for once.

Seriously, KZ2 makes M$ look silly because its a title that really makes the power gap stand out and only after 2 years in the PS3 lifecycle.
360 will still have great exclusive games, but from a graphicaly/technically standpoint they are far from PS3 exclusives.
-Uncharted, R2, GT5p, WipeoutHD, MGS4, Heavy Rain...KZ2. The proof is in the pudim, seriously no more fanboy crap but from a gamer prespective.

Some MP devs say both consoles are similar in power, so why this huge difference, specially when talking about kz?

I wonder what will come later on?

[tordavis]

"Seriously, KZ2 makes M$ look silly because its a title that really makes the power gap stand out and only after 2 years in the PS3 lifecycle."

PS3 is a year newer than 360 and is supposed to be more powerful. There should be gaps. How is that making M$ look silly? You rigz crack me up.

[davidrx7]

thank you britney spears, always the voice of reason . . .

[Captain Tuttle]

Good for you HHG

[miniduf1]

Hip Hop Gamer is a huge loser, why does he get posted on N4G

[yz250]

great question you asked there....i'll try to "answer" it man, because he is a known ps3 fanboy, so his shows are newsworthy on n4g.

[celldomceen1]

I love people who throw numbers out to confirm something being great, many people bought backstreet boys nsync hell even the damn E.T game does that make it good gtfo of here if you like something just say you like it and move on lmao.

[tomfoolery]

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[Lord Xire]

to 360 that looks better then Killzone 2 I could only imagine the excuses.

Hear we go people...

When you can name me one game on the 360 that uses KZ2's engine and has been in production for the same amount of time..... I'll gladly give in to the ignorance until then please stop running your scrotum blower.

KZ2 is a phenomenal looking game...great but I don't think for a second the 360 couldn't render those types of graphics.

Resident Evil 5 is framerate drop free and you get attacked by hordes of freakishly detailed enemies with great sound and is using the Dead Rising engine.

DVD9's hold the 360 back from it's full potential but I wouldn't go out on the idiot tree saying 360 couldn't handle graphics on the same level as Killzone 2 because that's arguably FALSE.

KZ2 has like a 3color palette for each stage...that seems like a limitation that was covered up because Helghan is suppose to be "dark and gloomy"

[DiabloRising]

That was specific to the art direction actually, kind of like Gears of War and Resistance 1.

Please, tell me what technical aspect would limit a color palette, since you seem to know all about game development.

[Lord Xire]

Killzone2 is good looking and all....but I don't think even the almighty cell and rsx could render a native 1080i game with an lush color palette and not suffer from framerate issues.

With Killzone 2's level of detail using low res colors would be horribly noticeable so they kept it simple with the dark and gloom atmosphere.

It worked tho so who's arguing eh?

[DiabloRising]

Low.

Resolution.

Colors.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you aren't an artist, nor have you been a part of game development before.

Color Palette is 99% decided on by art direction, not technical limitation. If you've played the game, you would also know that the game, despite its muted setting, actually has a pretty nice range of colors, from lense flares to lighting effects to texture work.

[Lord Xire]

So Killzone 2 with Halo 3 color wouldn't cause a loss somewhere?

Was in the beta KK thx I've seen the colors and I've watched the new videos in HD.

I'm not an artist or in game developement...don't know where you got the assumption..but it's easy to know that colors can cause framerate issues right?

So while 99% the color palette is decided on the art direction. I'm gonna go out on a whim and guess that 100% of the time developers know there limitations.

[DiabloRising]

No, KZ2 with Halo's palette would not cause a loss somewhere, other than in the artistic sense. Changing the color on the textures KZ2 has would not impact the memory usage in any meaningful way.

[Bathyj]

What the hell is a low resolution colour? Did someone just step back a couple spot in the evolution table?

And no, grey or bright purple makes no different to the framerate. They're just colours and it doesn't matter which one you use.

Now the effects used on a model or whatever will make a difference, but are you really saying a black Master Chief would run better than a pink one?

[tordavis]

What Lord is trying to say is that a higher color palette requires more memory. To fill the immense levels of KZ2 with a higher color palette MIGHT slow things down. It is used for style though. It's not like they said, "Hey, this game has too many colors. Drop it down to a flatter palette so it runs better."

[DiabloRising]

No, that's the thing though, it really wouldn't make a difference. What he is saying is basically flat out wrong.

[Mr Marbles]

neither console is anywhere near being maxed out, devs cant possibly know all the ins and outs and techniques of the multicore processors yet.

Rainbow 6 vegas 1&2 looked alike to, that doesn't mean the 360 is maxed out you morons, it just means the developers were more interested in getting out the second game than trying to prove how much prettier they could make the games look.

[Digital Commando]

Gears isn't coming to the PS3! Michael Pachter said the Gears of War 3 on Ps3 thing a year ago on the Gametrailers.com show The Bonus round! Hiphopgamer has no credibility around anything he says!

[Anon1974]

After that MS will have to renegotiate, so it is possible we could see it on the PS3.

As a 360 owner, I have to admit..I think the 360 has been tapped out for awhile. It was in 2006 that Gears came out and I was blown away by it. I thought "Great! The next gen is finally here! This just raises the bar."
I was already for an onslaught of games as good as Gears and then...nothing. 360 games didn't get better than that. 2 years later Gears 2 came out and it's more of the same. By contrast, you look at what came out a year ago, compare it to games like MGS4 and LBP, then look at games like Killzone 2 and Heavy Rain and you can see how the quality of PS3 games and what developers can do with the hardware is increasing with some pretty incredible results. I just don't see that on the 360, and that pisses me off as a 360 owner. I feel like Microsoft shortchanged us all by limiting what the console can due by not making a harddrive standard, sticking with DVD and creating a platform prone to dramatic overheating. If I had any idea what a hassle RROD would become for myself personally there's no way in hell I would have ever bought a 360. Live and learn.

[Foxgod]

nothing can beat the wii, so gtfo.

[Salta_nelas]

If the 360 was capable of pulling graphics and atmosphere like KZ2, obviously we would have seen it by now, but the flagship title is still Gears 2, following Gears 1. 360 in 3 years gives us Gears 2, its finnest game.
PS3 in 2 years gives us KZ2 the finnest looking game this gen, after giving undeniably technical superior games like Wipeout Hd or MGS4.

But of course the 360 isnt maxed out, but what is left wont do much good in the graphic departement or so we would have seen it by now. But is there any problem in PS3 proving to be the more powerfull machine? Some of you mock it but are forgetting that was the goal from the start.

And why this BS of Gears going PS3, it wont happen and it should stay on the 360 because its important that consoles keep exclusive games that define them.

[Lord Xire]

How would we have seen it by now?

What developer on the 360 side has been behind closed doors for the amount of time that KZ2 has using KZ2's engine and what not?

It takes time which is why Gears1 and Bioshock are the only games that make the Unreal Engine 3 look worthwhile. Both games were slowly cooked.

These stupid claims will stop once Rage is released imo

[Darkseider]

"What developer on the 360 side has been behind closed doors for the amount of time that KZ2 has using KZ2's engine and what not?"

Hmmm.. Bungie and RARE come to mind. But hey who am I to point out the blatantly freaking obvious?

[foreverflame]

yoyoyo! im black naw mean! i got the PStriple i got bling yo...sony is payin' for diz website dawg!*drinks a 40* aiiight . lol funny black man. and this guy has the nerve to post on n4g lol...he's like the FOX News of video games.rofl

[FF7numba1]

Stop being such a hater. Get a day job and stop hating on what others do. Dont be jealous of the attention hes getting. I bet you wouldn't say that black guy stuff to his face.

[animalia85]

gears 2 has a lot more going on than mgs4 they are 2 different games ones stealth the other is intense action. If gears was a snooze fest the graphics would be ten times better but it's not so don't compare the two.

[thewhoopimen]

You're an absolute joke you know that? MGS4 HAS WAAAAAY more going on for it in all departments. Geow2's story is a big joke and the rail sequences blow chunks. i hated the underwater kraken sequence, tank sequence, b/c they felt like add ons and were EXTREMELy scripted.

[anubis12]

whatever this guy is a idiot. 360 is just fine. and o my killzone 2 looks .11111119 better than resistance or gears big F*cking deal.

as far as i am concerned is that God of war 3 will use KZ2 to wipe its as$.

[yz250]

i dont get your comment. what he was saying is killzone is not a proven franchise. killzone 2 hasn't been released. gears one and gears 2 are, and they are proven great games, killzone isn't. remember lair- it looked great also, but was plagued with issues. point being no need to compare games when only one is actually "out". sorry you couldn't understand the post. hopefully mine is better for you to understand (it is in simplest form)

[59fifty8]

but to me i had more fun with fallout 3, it should win goty, gears 2 is so far behind the ps1 spits on it, and ninja gaiden 2 even uncharted spat on it so what games left fable 2 that fallout 3 smack, online game has to go to resistence 2, way better than gears 2 even if the grafixs held it back there u go this ios wat i think

[Chapulin]

Nice intro and once again the best and yes I said best gamer show on the internet.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

I told you guys many times before, I have maxed out with Gears of War. This is a one-sided war that I just can't compete in. The PS3 will reign once again to shut all the haters that ever doubted the power of the iconic Playstation brand. It happened twice before.

We at Microsoft will pull the plug in mid-2009. Bank on it.

[yz250]

excuse me actually you're a "dumb fvck" at best

[PeptoBismol]

whoa, what a compelling argument!

*rolls eyes*

[moja]

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@21:10 and 21:48, what's 'grainefawdo'?

I like the K2 online video being presented like you're actually playing, then at 28:20 talking about 'tapping L3 to just move up a little bit', but wait, the guy just keeps running. Which one did you rip and commentate?

'If you don't like the show, then don't watch.' If you don't like negative attention at yo boy, then tell him not to put himself out there. Holla.
Don't get me wrong, I fully support HHG doing his show, I just can't stand people being so damn fake.

[Ko_Uraki]

XBOX360 maxed out?
NO

KZ2 amazing?
YES

Gears of War on PS3?
Quite impossible.

The 360 to be more casual? Probably, but even SONY will do the same thing.

[ihatesouljaboy]

I just wanted to say thanks for pwning soulja boy in that other video you did. He is such a sh!t rapper.

[DARK WITNESS]

ok, i own both consoles, i see what he is doing, and what he is trying to say...

i have a few questions just to throw out there;

are killzone 2 and RSFOM 2 using the same engine ?

I know gears and gears 2 do... although gears 2 uses and updated version... but really would you expect that much of a difference ?

also, how long has killzone 2 been in production ?

would it not be better to compare say gears 2 to something coming out next year like.... Allen wake ( considering that has also been in production for about the same time as killzone and gears 2 and RSFOM 2 have both been produced in about 2 years.

i have resistance and to be honest i don't think much of it. it looks good, but it does not blow my mind at all.

i also have gears 2 and guess what, i am probably one of the few xbox owners who does not think gears 2 is the best looking game on the 360. while i can see the improvements in some areas over gears 1, in other aspects i don't think it looks better.

i know whenever someone says something about a game that the fanboys don't like they get accused of never playing the game, well i have my RSFOM 2 trophies and i have my gears 2 achievements.

I have not finished either game because personally i believe there are better games out this holiday then both of them and i have been enjoying them a lot more.

anyway i am looking forward to killzone 2 and think it does look amazing... but i am not going to line up and say its the beginning and end of everything. when i own the game i will give my full opinion of it. so, till then.

[sleepbox]

This guy is as stupid as the rest of the masses that believe Killzone 2 won't be anything more than the best looking piece of crap of all time.

Seriously, it looks great, sure, too bad Killzone 1 sucked.

Crysis wins. Sorry

[n4gzz]

Crysis is just for visuals. When it comes to overall fun, visual and value, killzone2 is much better.

[dolomite]

The 360 can probably handle KZ2, look how it Halo 3 turned out.

[kosovo]

it's normal for the 360 to max out just about now. absolutely normal.

[rbluetank]

i can not wait to get my hands on killzone2. just keep the train rolling. hiphopgamer!!

[SixAmpFuze]

All you fanboys who say the 360 is tapped out are fools. Your looking at this as a graphical standpoint and maybe devs just need update their engines also Everyony who bought prince of persia knows the 360 POP looks better but does that extra little graphical notch on the360 side make the game better tha the ps3 version? umm no. So in 1 year or 2 or 3 if the playstation average game looks better than the 360 versions or exclusives is that really going to make a difference in the games no its not its just cosmetic and fanboy bull.If cod 4 was 2 times better looking on the ps3 but everything else was the same would that be something that would kill the 360 ? no it wouldnt because thegameplay is still the same.

Also Hip Hop Gamer really needs to quit the flame bait headlines because he always talks about how he hates fanboysm but he feeds it with headlines like this every week

So yes KZ2 looks very nice and god of war is supposedly going to look insane but looks dont make the gameplay because theres plenty of nice looking games that suck .

[AngryHippo]

....this generation its graphics over gameplay. As long as games have great graphics, people will say 10/10. People need to realise that graphics does NOT make a game AAA. Gameplay and Story do make a game great.

[robert0267]

IDemonstalkerXI that trailer didn't look like hd and I watched it on another website to.

[Chapulin]

INCREDIBLE!!!!

[RareNimbus]

looks awesome!! its only the beta, imagine the real version release. first day buy for me for real!!

[Arsenic13]

These posts are so sad, what a joke.

[Life is Good]

Great show overall for this week. Killzone 2 looks great, and news for this show this week was awesome. I wish I could get into the beta some how. Does anyone know how? HipHopGamer! If you see this comment. I hope your enjoying the beta as much as I would be. See Ya!

[karlostomy]

He knows how to write fanboy bait articles.
This in turn attracts hits to his below average website and he makes money.

He doesn't care for the wii, ps3, 360 or even gaming.
All he cares about is making money of hits on his website.
Fvcking salesman!

Hey hiphop: Please learn some grammar and spelling before you start a blog/site next time....

You are just embarrassing.

[olivia]

don't hate on a hustler.i believe the man cares about gaming has a whole,your just jealous ,why it always have to be all about money.i swear the nerve of some people.

[karlostomy]

Before you address me again, learn some fvcking english and grammar.

For fvcks sake....

are you related to hiphop? .... his sister, maybe?

[paracardium]

is affordable to mass market if you that crap system of 256mb. What idiot in their right mind would buy that plus all the add ons for it.Weak minded people don't see that until it's to late because in the end with all the extra costs 360 costs more. Plus always worried if its going to melt lol yeah that's true next gen gaming.

[omodis420]

I love this guys show. He always make interesting points. For example he talked about the PSP sold 40 mil and its the only hand held system to do that vs Nintendo. I had never thought about that.
Watch his show with an open mind. He is not a fan boy. He praises 360 a ton.

[animalia85]

my biggest regret from last gen was being an xbox only fanboy near the end so I missed out on some truly great games like black and GOW2. it's not worth being a fanboy you lose out either way. the ps3 and the 360 both have there pros and cons i'm just glad I have both so I don't miss out on anything. I play 360 mostly but I buy whats good period I even got GTA4 on the ps3 instead of the 360.

[DFresh]

-Has the 360 maxed out? When it comes to having an edge left in it's hardware processing wise yeah Microsoft's Xbox 360 is maxed out. Microsoft has lost their edge. The only thing helping out the 360 is it's price. (Which is really sad.)

-Gears of War 3 coming to the PS3? I know is gonna happen unless Microsoft pays them off.
But seeing how much Gears of War series is doing in sales they can earn more by making the game multiplatform.
All I gotta say of that happens there's no more reason to get an Xbox console period.
Think about it Halo was the main reason to get the 1st Xbox, Halo 3 another to get a 360, Gears of War series another reason to get a Xbox.
So, if the Halo series id done and w/ Bungie being split from Microsoft they can make games on PS3 and thus less reason to get a Xbox. Gears of War series probably the second reason to get a Xbox after Halo and if Gears of War becomes multiplatform it's another thing Xbox lost as an advantage to sale consoles.

-Home the killer of Xbox Live? Yeah it is the killer to Xbox Live after experiencing both XBL and now playing the Home Beta I can already tell Home is the answer to XBL.
On top of that w/ trophies being Mandatory in 2009 and the reward system taking place PS3 can and will take the lead in multiplatform game sales.
I mean the only real reason people chose the multiplatform game on the 360 over the PS3 was because of a award system Achievements and Gamer Score Points.

-Killzone 2 is amazing and it's my most anticipated game in 2009.

-Alan Wake looks amazing. But all the footage shown so far including all the cinematic trailers were shown on the PC and not the 360. If anything I expect Alan Wake to be a multiple disc game for the 360 version of this game at least 2 discs at most.

-If Microsoft goes more casual next year then it's over for the 360 especially when Sony takes the lead w/ a $100 price drop on the PS3.
PS3 has the best games next year hands down, Home is coming out, price cut is definitely gonna happen, it's the best blu-ray player on the market, online is free, trophies and the reward system will be mandatory for next year.

Little by little I'm seeing more reasons to build a high end PC more then I am to buy a 360 considering I already got a PS3.

[sak500]

Now the ps3 fans loving hiphopgamer. What happened to his last article? http://www.n4g.com/industry...

Tsk tsk you guys have such short memories. No wonder you overhype every exclusive ps3 title and forget about it in a week.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Somebody said Resident Evil 5 looks better than Killzone 2.

Don't get me wrong...I want to play Resident Evil 5...and it may end up being the better game. However, the only game in the same league as Killzone 2 is Heavy Rain...and that's stretching it.

[cyclindk]

I am not a dev and therefore do not known how far the 360 could be theoretically pushed, but I think we can all admit that Halo 3 was not (graphically) an astonishing feat, nor was the jump between Gears 1 and Gears 2; that being said, the time elapsed between Gears 1 and 2 was short so I wouldn't expect enormous improvements almost the way it seems Uncharted 1 and 2 appear to be at this early stage (improvements seem likely to be gameplay focused and fine tuning those aspects, but I may be wrong).

If Mircrosoft can get something to trump Gears 2 (which I can only imagine a Gears 3 might do) then I'll shed my doubts, but until I see some upcoming title that suggests this, I will remain skeptical as to whether the console could be pressed much further.

[Enigma_2099]

"Maxxed out" basically ammounts to the system being pushed to it's limit in it's twilight years... and pulling of some pretty incredible games to prove it.

I feel the 360's no different. I may not think much of the console, but you'd be stupid to deny that it's not capable of ANYTHING impressive... especially on it's way out. My only problem being, games looked pretty impressive when it launched... so will we notice when this happpens?

[ionisdialos]

world at war is the best fps iv ever played
its as close to real war as a game has gotten
i was doubtful
but now i believe

[spiky1228]

I thought PS3 has inferior gpu....so why is UNCHARTED , MGS4, and KILLZONE2 can't be brought by MS. OH yeah, 360 cannot handle it.

Gears 1 and 2 looks good but its nothing ground breaking. Gears 2 didn't improve alot. The story just got more cheesy.

[aggh im on fire]

No gears isnt coming to Ps3, no the 360 hasn't maxed out and no Killzone isnt goint to be the greatest thing ever, just a good game.
Games on both consoles will continue to be good and improve. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either new to gaming or an idiot.

[bmatthews]

Killzone 2 looks unbelievable, give me a game on the 360 that looks better...

Uncharted won best graphics in many websites, and still leads, please give a 360 title with better graphics...

with those 2 games alone, it is a fact that the PS3's hardware is in every way stronger than the 360s', physically and tech-wise.

God of War 3 and Uncharted 2 are yet to be seen, but from what I have heard on God of War 3, that will look immense on the PS3 as well, all these games, none of them on the 360.

the difference between Gears 1 and Gears 2 is minimal, and even Cliffy B himself has stated that They have almost Maxed out the 360.

we'll have to wait and see if a game on the 360 is released sometime in 2009, that will look better than Gears 2.

but will there be any game that touches Killzone 2 and Uncharted?? I highly doubt it, why?

it's been 3 years, 1 whole extra year for the xbox 360, if you think KZ2 graphics are possible on the 360? why hasn't there been a game with such graphics then?

why is it that the best looking game on the 360 is Gears 2??

[AngryHippo]

...as much funding, and time in development, and has its own graphics engine designed specifically to take advantage of the 360. Way too much emphasis on graphics this generation, it does not make a game great. Gameplay and story make a game great. Why is it the only people that seem to complain or moan about the 360's graphics are PS3 fans?! From where i am sitting the 360's graphics are very good and continue to impress. Maybe people should go back and play their PS2's to see the graphical leap this generation. Its a massive leap forward. The more people keep moaning about graphics the more likely it is that the developers will focus on that and less on story and gameplay, which in my opinion is a sad day for gaming.

[bmatthews]

You clearly do not understand the difference in the architecture of the two consoles

"as much funding, and time in development, and has its own graphics engine designed specifically to take advantage of the 360"

take what advantage?? do you even understand the xbox 360 is nothing more than a bunch of PC parts put together, what do you mean take advantage of? sorry that's complete BS. there is no advantage to take, because virtually any developer can develop for the 360 and utilise it to the maximum.

The discussion has massively eluded you AngryHippo, this discussion is about whether the 360 is maxed out.

now, we have games that look as great as Killzone 2 and Uncharted with God of War 3 coming along, show me a game that is exclusive to the 360 with better graphics than any of those games...you can't, simple as that.

so why aren't there games that look as good as KZ2 on the 360 if it isn't maxed out??

Epic manager Preston Thorne claims Gears of War is as good as it gets for Microsoft's console. “We pushed the 360 to the limits,” said Preston.

if EPIC say the 360 is on it's last legs, i don't know why people still say games will be released on the 360 that will ever match or beat KZ2 or Uncharted

[AngryHippo]

....'You clearly do not understand the difference in the architecture of the two consoles'. You're right i have absolutley no knowledge of the workings of processors inside games consoles and quite frankly i could not care. I do not pretend i know what i am talking about, i do not develop games for the ps3 or the xbox 360, i just enjoy playing the games on them. I do however realise one fundamental fact, graphics do not make a great game.

[The Judderman]

Gears is still the best looking game ever and the Ps3 really couldn't cope with it. The Ps3's small 256mb ram just isn't up to the job.
The graphics are Killzone look nice but we all know all the power has been put into the graphics and the A.I and gameplay suck.
Looks like 09 will be year of the 360 just as 08 was.

[digger18]

256mb ram??? The PS3 has 512mb

[sak500]

Ps3 has 256+256 split so GPU only has 256mb available at max. Unlike 360 which can dynamically take extra ram from 512mb of shared ram.

[AngryHippo]

...HipHopGamer succeeds. Got to give him credit, he knows how to get the hits. He really is the puppet master to alot of the Sony lemmings on this site. I love the how opinions of this guy changes so quickly depending on who the articles favour. Maybe just maybe, he makes controversial headlines and articles to get hits, without their being any truth or proof behind his comments?! No, if hes bashing the 360, his comments are 100% gospel truth. If anything remotely positive about the 360 is said, hes a douche. lol I love it.

[free2game365]

Wasn't this the same guy who said that Half Life 3 would be an 360 exclusive game in 2009?

[Cherchez La Ghost]

For what I've seen, KZ2 looks good. But the question at hand is this, will it sell?!! Nintendo is killing MS & Sony from day one until now. The purpose is for games to sell. Now, fanboys always make a list of PS3 games every time they argue against 360 fanboys or other people. True, the games do look impressive. But games are not all about graphics. KZ2 looks good. But will it have the "staying power" like Halo 3. Of course hands down it's looks better than Halo, but Halo 3 is still the #1 online game on Live. You have to ask yourself, what makes Halo 3 stay in the top 3 multi-player games?! Will KZ2 have this type of drive like Halo 3?! For what I've seen and read on N4G at least a year is PS3 fanboys praising at least several titles on the PS3. Only time will tell when it's released.

[LTC]

The gpu also has access to the extra 256mb ram thats why its "shared". How do u thing KZ2 visuals are achieved, by just 256mb alone? KZ2 is the best looking console game to date why cant 360 achieve those kind of visuals.

[Salta_nelas]

Some of you look like delusional fanboys who wont admit the obvious. As comsumers you should be happy for games on the ps3 that have been incrising this overall quality and simply admit it, any non gamer can clearly see the difference.

You keep denying while PS3 exclusives will continue to impress and push the envelope, that´s the truth we have been watching since the best looking exclusive on the 360, after 3 years, is still Gears. So, is the machine maxed? No. Will it get better than that? Apparentely not considering the facts.

HipHopgamer says what he wants to get hits, last show Sony was doomed...

[wallace1000]

HipHopGamerShow isn't actually a good reporter. Every show he either has a little bit of flame bait for the 360 fanboys or for the PS3 fanboys. If the flamebait wasn't there then he wouldn't get that much attention because it wouldn't fire anyone up.

[godofthunder10]

I'm tired of hearing ps3 fanboys crying and saying that the 360 is maxed out already.The fact is that the 360 still has games that look better on it then the ps3 and vice versa.I've read different articles saying that the 360 and ps3 are really close in power because of the way they are designed.They said that the ps3 might be a little better but it will be so little that people want even be able to tell the difference.The only ones that keep saying that the ps3 is double or more powerful then the 360 is sony and sony afilleits.

I'll admitt that i have a 360 and i wouldn't trade it for a ps3 for anything.Unlike these kids i'm not a stupid fanboy that think my system is the best thing since god like these dummies do.I'll admitt that i wish that the 360 have some ps3 exclusives on it like r1 and 2 and kz2.On the other hand i don't like the MGS series.It has the stupidest story line in the history of video games.If i wanted to watch something for 3 hrs i would watch a movie not watch a game more then i play it.This is my opponion not fact.Some people like the ps3 more and they will have a different opponion,not a fact like they claim.The ps3 fanboys that saying the 360 is maxed out never said one thing good about the 360. 99% of them said that every game on the 360 suxed.You call people like this pathetic losers.Hell they want even admitt that the 360 has one good game on it.They remind me of when i was in 2nd or 3rd grade.We use to say my daddy can beat up your daddy.They are acting the same stupid childish way,the only difference is they are saying their system not their daddies this time and it's pathetic.

I'm also tired of hearing that sony want release the ps4 till the ps3 been out 10 years and that's not even true.Sony and Microsoft are both working on their new systems already.It was said already that the new systems will be out the same year.They will all be out in 2011 or 2012.The fact is that 4 years is the max for both system till the new ones are released.They have some ps3 fanboys saying that microsoft will be the only company to come out with their new system in 2011 or 2012.They keep saying that the ps4 want be out till the ps3 is 10 years old.The fact is that sony knows they can't let that happen again.I'm glad that the ps3 fanboys that belive this doesn't run a buisness,if they did they would bankrupt it.The reason that the 360 took a big share of the video game market away from sony is because they released it a year earlier.Sony is a smart company and they will never let that happen again because they know that if they do it would be a bigger blow to them then it is now.The fact is that people are electronic freaks(i'm one).I'm going to buy the first one that comes out and start my game collection on it.

Ps3 fanboys keep saying that microsoft screwed the people when they gave every one a 3 year warrinty.The fact is that sony was sued over the ps2 because it had a defected drive in them.It would read can't read disc even if it was a new system and game sometimes.Unlike microsoft sony only gave the people 2 months from the date they gave to get in touch with them to fix the defect.After 2 months and it went out you had to pay them to fix it or buy another one.Microsoft 3 year warrinty is a hell of a lot better them sonys 2 month warrinty.I bought 5 ps2s in less then 3 years and every one i knew had to buy at least 2 but the average person had to buy around 3 ps2 units.Ps3 fanboys keep saying that Microsoft screwed the people because they gave a 3 year warrinty.If that is true then Sony made every one that bought a ps2 eat sh*t.They had some one that wrote an article saying the same thing i said about sony loseing the lawsuit for the defected ps2s.I've read a reply that my cousin wrote about.My cousin have and still is a big sony fan,hell he's a FANBOY. He called the writer of the article a lier and said that he has the same ps2 he had since it first came out and he never had 1 problem with it.The fact is that he went through 3 ps2s in less then 3 years.When i told him that i've read the article he just laughed at me and said no one will ever know the truth.

The fact is that ps3 fanboys and 360 fanboys are hypercrits.Ps3 fanboys always agree with negstive news about the 360 even if they know it's a lie.They also disagree with positive news about the 360 even if they know it's true.When the news is about the ps3 they do the exact opposite.360 fanboys do the same thing.if they have a negative article about the ps3 they will agree with it even if they know it's not true.If it's positive news about the ps3 they will disagree with it even if they know it's true.

Like i said above i'm not a stupid fanboy.I think that the ps3,360 and wii are great systems.The fact is that all 3 have negative and positive things about them and bad and good games on them.Like i said i have a 360 and i love it but i'll admitt that the ps3 is the most dependable console that was ever made because it's the truth.

I'm also tired of hearing the ps3 or 360 graphics are better then the other or the ps3 or 360 have better exclusives.The fact is that graphics isn't the most important thing in a game.They have games on the SNES that i would buy and play before some of the ones that's on the 360 or ps3.The fact is that even if a game have the greatest graphics in the world doesn't mean that it's the best game.The game might have a stupid story line and gameplay.On the other hand the one that's on the SNES might have a good story line with excelent gameplay.Graphics is about the 3rd or 4th thing i look for in a game.People that buy a game just for graphice isn't a real gamer.

The same thing with exclusive.All i ever hear from ps3 fanboys is that the ps3 have the best exclusives and the 360 fanboys saying the 360 have the best exclusives.The fact is that out of all the exclusive on 1 system only about half are any good.Out of half of them they will only have about 20% that's worth buying.The fact is that just because a fanboy of a system claim that the one they have has the best graphics isn't even a fact it's an opponion and they should say it that way instead of claiming it's a fact..I think that the 360 exclusives are better then the ps3s but that's my opponion not fact.The fact is that it depend of what games someone likes.The thing that pis*es me off the most is when fanboys of a system telling someone to buy the one they have when they ask which one they should buy.They should tell the person to buy the one with the games that they like instead of being bias and makeing an a** of themselfs.

The fact is that they are all good systems.If you don't have a certain system you shouldn't even worry about it because it doesn't concern you 1 damn bit.You should just play and enjoy the one you have.

[JayTe 123]

this is my reason to buy a ps3 in february...

[pornflakes]

THE console witch is MAXED out is already the PS3.

SOny has no money to keep their games exklusiv, tehy have no money to reduce the price, cause their share holders dont allow them. The have no money to make some commercial on TV.

YEAH, The PS3rd is maxed out, if NOT 2009 the ps3 will die.

EDIT: KZ2 best looking? OMG.. KZ2 has no chance against Crysis on MAX options. Crysis is 1 year old.

[xwabbit]

Nice show

[darthv72]

both are maxed out. The cpu's may be decent for the next couple of years but lets face it. 512mb memory....come on. It was a wow factor a few years ago but how many personal computers have 512mb memory these days? I can see the 720 and ps4 using a beefed up version of their current cpu but also taking the memory up significantly. At least to 2gb or hopefully 4gb.

PS2 went from 32mb to 512mb for ps3. Xbox had 64mb and 360 has 512mb.

Impressive as the games are working with such ltd memory. Things are getting bigger and more complex. Increasing the storage medium (bluray, hdd) is only part of the fix. The other part is giving each system the proper amount of breathing room to process this enormous data. Physical memory is the logical step. Why tout the cell as being capable of utilizing up to "x" amounts of memory when the ps3 doesnt have it? So why not give it what it can support?

When windows xp said it could use up to 4gb of memory, I gave it 4gb and it did make a difference.

[GodGinrai]

I agree .i got 8gbs in my mac pro which i use for music.my pc (which i also use for music) has 2gb of ram and the mac blows it away for the amount the vst instrumnts and effects i can use in a track.more RAM=better performance.

[Ital50Stal]

KZ2 has nothing on crysis..and what makes dvd such a bad decision? It still works fine for PC users and besides, the ps3 games are so large because the blu ray drive in there is a$$..its the slowest drive you can have so instead of the disc going back to get data from somewhere earlier on the disc..they just rewrite the same code over and over again...blu ray does nothing for gaming, remember that.
and really, how long does it take to swap a disc, compared to the lenght of time it takes for a PS3 install! LOL!!

[PSN- TOMMYMGS4]

has reached its peak

[PSN- TOMMYMGS4]

FAILBOX has already lost with so much rrod

[-IronMan-]

I am glad i didnt buy a 360 i knew it was going to be a piece of junk. Unreliable System (RROD), Pay for online for what? PC, Wii, PS3 is free. No Bluetooth, No Wi-Fi, HD-DVD dead those who bought are left with an expensive paperweight, doorstop, coaster etc...

Theres no games for xbox360 in 2009. :( After the first Xbox failed i knew better not to buy anything from Microsoft.

PS1, PS2 hasnt failed me and i went with the PS3. The best console around.

And dont call me a fanboy cause i own a Gamecube, Sega Genesis, N64, Atari etc..

I knew a quality machine when i see one. All the above console that i listed still works.

Flopbox360 failed! In my honest Opinion!!!

[pixelsword]

...But what do they know?

I'm sure Gears' Devs, Forza's Devs, and others that pushed graphical quality to the max has nothing on the average 360 fanboy.

[nycredude]

Light years huh? Talk about an exageration. Where did you learn that from? MS?