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PS5 SSD Will Make Worlds More Diverse and Loading Screens Less Annoying – Killsquad Dev

Novarama's Ricardo Seligmann talks about the exciting potential of SSDs in next gen hardware.

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gangsta_red1761d ago

Going to be an interesting next gen with both consoles using SSD in their hardware. We're crossing into territory where load times will be a thing of the past.

The future is here!

Brave_Losers_Unite1761d ago

The future was here on PC years ago

gangsta_red1761d ago

We only need to look at the past to see the future.

343_Guilty_Spark1761d ago

Well it's just coming to consoles so he's technically not wrong

XxINFERNUSxX1761d ago

Exactly, we have nvme pcie 4.0 ssds now. SSDs should have been in consoles a few years ago, PC paves the way and at the forefront as always.

sprinterboy1761d ago

Good luck playing all the AAA ps exclusives on your pc.

nucky641761d ago

if the future was here years ago on PC - why am i still waiting to play RDR1 on that platform?

nowitzki20041761d ago (Edited 1761d ago )

I dont know how you guys are going without SSD in 2019!!!

I have had SSD for about 7 years now lol.

Sophisticated_Chap1761d ago

Indeed, 10+ year old consumer technology.

mogwaii1761d ago

Please, consoles predict the future while PC waits in the loading dock.

nowitzki20041761d ago

@mogwaii Please explain what you are trying to say. I am having trouble understanding.

Pickledpepper1761d ago

But this article is not about pc.
How many times and how much money have you spent keeping your oh so powerful pc up to date?

nowitzki20041761d ago

@pickeledpepper Dude its not that bad lol. I literally only added 4gb of ram since I built my PC and that was like $35. Dont assume things.

TheSaint1761d ago

Does it trigger you that no one cares that your a PC elitist?

NarooN1761d ago

SSDs have been available on PC for a while but they certainly never eliminated load times. Depending on tbe game, the disparity could be anything between massive and minimal improvement. Even with NVMe drives and PCIe4, games can only push and move data as fast as the OS' file system and I/O capabilities will allow. As per Mark Cerny the PS5 will have a unique proprietary I/O solution in addition to the SSDs, something Windows won't be able to replicate.

It's gonna be interesting to see how multiplats are affected because of this. If a game is built around being able to traverse incredible distances very quickly, which relies on the ability tl stream and process geometry and assets extremely quickly (as we saw wjth the SpiderMan demo) how will the PC versions function. This might result in some games being retooled or nerfed altogether on Windows.

fiveby91761d ago

I don't think it is just that consoles are using SSDs this is considered ground breaking. People have been putting SSDs in their PS4 for years. It likely that the SSD is not using the SATA bus as the bandwidth is limited. I suspect it is either using PCIe bus and / or some additional cache mechanism to pre-fetch data. That said, PC use of drives such as M.2 PCIe SSD drives is somewhat common now.

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garos821761d ago

that future sucks. still waiting to play on red dead redemption 2 in your timeline :P

rainslacker1760d ago

Not really. PC still uses high level OS operations to transfer data, which means games aren't designed around the ability to have near instantaneous access to data to move around quicker

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gamer78041761d ago

Ssd is a must have now adays.

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Orionsangel1761d ago

The AC Odyssey load screens are some of the worst. So long and annoying.

scoot_n_loot1761d ago

I don't see SSD being affordable as external storage. Probably a small ssd used as a high speed cache.

NarooN1761d ago

SSD prices have came down drastically in the past couple years. They will be using an internal SSD with their own bespoke I/O implementation to facilitate the incredibly low load times and asset streaming. I don't know how they'll handle "regular" add-in drives however. Either they'll allow them for storage of media and games or sell their own proprietary drives for external use.

harmny1761d ago

Here it comes!

8k
120fps
2tb SSD
And all for $400!!
I'm so happy

(Delusional fanboy)

SugarSoSweet1761d ago

100% it's easily my most anticipated hardware upgrade along with the new CPU's (Zen 2)

Visceral891761d ago

I love how PC elitists act like everyone has had an SSD for 5 plus years, maybe very high end builds and capacity was lower. SSDs have only become mainstream the last 2 to 3 years.

LightofDarkness1761d ago

I've had an SSD since 2012. My build was around mid-high. By 2014, most gaming PCs were at least booting from SSDs.

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nitus101761d ago

Load time will not be a thing of the past but they will be reduced dramatically (approx 3 to 6) compared to loading off a hard disk drive.

VTKC1761d ago

and with a hefty price tag! I am all for little to no loading but this SSD business wont do that price tag any good and I predict that earlier versions will have the SSD but later consoles will have it replaced with a traditional HDD due to "costs".

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Father__Merrin1761d ago (Edited 1761d ago )

I bet propriety ssd technology is consoles will beat pc. A certain spec console can perform just as well as a much more expensive pc. And looking at the specs of next gen consoles tbh your going to have to have at least a 1080 or Radeon 7 to compete

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Hungryalpaca1761d ago

They won’t beat PC. They never do. A top end PC will always be a stronger machine than a console.

Plus the 1080 will be nearly 5 years old by the time these consoles come out. Saying you’ll need top of the line from 5 years ago to compete doesn’t make it sound good.

I’m still getting a ps5 but we hear the same shit every time a new console nears release. SO STRONG. WILL CRUSH PC. Then it never does.

jukins1761d ago

Well the fact that you need to spend, at minimum, 2x the cost of a console to beat and in some cases match the performance of a console I'll call that a win for console.

Hungryalpaca1761d ago

It depends on the console. You can build the equivalent of the One X for around the same price.

They’re only astronomically more expensive if you buy off the shelf. Building is far cheaper.

Either way I’m stoked for the ps5. The PS4 came out severely underpowered.

Visceral891761d ago

@Hungryalpaca Sony has proven you don't need the highest specs to make visually stunning experiences. Horizon Zero Dawn, God of War, Uncharted 4.

DazaMc1761d ago

Not in the early 90s. The mega drive and snes kicked the PCs ass at 2d games. Even the N64 was miles better back in the day.

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jukins1761d ago

Sony is supposedly using proprietary tech that yheyve been working on for decades supposedly even faster than the pcie 4.0 spec that's gonna debut soon on PC final it hasnt already.

Hopefully the initial storage size is adequate. Doesnt seem like well be able to do an off the shelf upgrade unless expensive

harmny1761d ago

What are you smoking? Faster than pcie4 lol

jukins1761d ago

Lol u love when you know it alls actually prove your ignorance https://respawnfirst.com/ps...

Like it's impossible for anyone to have a custom pcie 4.0 interface that's faster than normal pcie 4.0. Not only that pcie 5.0 is already near. . . .

MarkyMark891761d ago (Edited 1761d ago )

It will be PCIe 4.0 speeds, nothing faster, the overall experience will be faster due to it being a console and not a PC. But to think that Sony is going to step into a market (memory) without ever really being a big player and deliver something Intel, Samsung, WD, SG, have yet to. That's a reach and clearly, Cerny just playing with words for some good old good marketing. Most could give two shits about the hardware, and more about the results. Look what half the headlines to this interview read like over the web "PS5 loadtimes will be 10x faster then PS4" and majority won't even read the article. I will buy a PS5 and you will too on the assumption from your comments.But you don't need to blindly follow a company, its not a cult. Reminds me of fellow iPhone users, like they are brainwashed.

jukins1761d ago (Edited 1761d ago )

Markymark Sony has been involved in memory and harddrive for decades this isnt them just stepping in. It's not a play on Mark Cerny words.

Sony has always done r&d on memory harddrive hell anything hardware related. They have memory and hard drive patents even as far back as 20 years up until now.

I'm kinda baffled that you obviously think Sony is just a video game company and its impossible for them or anyone to have solutions better than what's on mass market. Just look back at how many times Sony has tried to have a proprietary storage solution out on the market.

Also all Samsung Intel wg etc have to make their equipment that has to compatible in an infinite amount of configurations. When you have one configuration its much easier to improve upon it

MarkyMark891759d ago (Edited 1759d ago )

Hmmm my memory seems a little blurry, but didn't we hear this around the same time the PS3 came out, that the cell processor was going to "revolutionize" the processor... Here we are a decade later and Sony's CPU is long and forgotten about, while greedy Intel still owns most of the market. Just because they have a patent and dabbled in something means nothing other than that. Lol like I said its a company, not a cult, but enjoy blindly following. I will enjoy the options and always weigh the pros and the cons and be sceptical of any claim of any platform or any device, gaming-related or not.

jukins1759d ago

Lmao you must be a Microsoft fanboy. . . No one said, especially not me, that the cell was gonna be revolutionary, why even bring that up? Intel? Who's talking about cpus? And honestly AMD is there taking marketshare away from Intel every day.

And again Sony hasnt just dabbled as I said theyve always tried to have a proprietary storage solution many many times let alone the decades of r&d how is that dabbling?

I'm still wondering how saying Sony has a proprietary solution that's supposedly faster than pcie 4.0 somehow means I'm blindly following a company. Please explain the only thing I can think of is your a Microsoft fanboy and this potentially positive Sony news has you triggered.

MarkyMark891759d ago (Edited 1759d ago )

But I am not a Sony fanboy, I own a Ps4 and PC, I also wish my PC was Linux based, but not all games support it, soo far from an MS fanboy.. You just wish I was an MS fanboy because it fits your script, you can't seem to understand anything else besides one side or the other. I don't blindly follow any statement by a company until it is proven, even outside of gaming. Yes AMD is taking market share from Intel, I have a Ryzen 7 2700x in my pc, a lot of my friends who upgraded recently from older Intel cpu's switched to the Ryzen platform. But Intel still owns the market, and the point I made before, just proves having a dicussion with you is pointless, its either one side or the other with you lol. Now on to the other point, it went entirely over your head, and I never said you said anything, I said the buzz around the internet and headlines read "revolutionary design" they envisioned it in every device in your household so they could all talk. From the Ps3 itself, to the TV to the dam toaster. But I guess you just like to dabble in news articles and actual knowledge about what you speak on, sounds familiar. Enjoy blindly following, btw why do you seem so mad?

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Visceral891761d ago

Mark Cerny patented SSD technology and said the SSD that's in the PS5 will be faster than a M.2 NVMe Samsung 970 pro. PS5 will use its SSD in ways no PC games have. Lisa Su CEO of AMD said at Computex, Mark Cerny is looking at revolutionizing Consoles for the next ten years.

jukins1761d ago

I just dont get how these naysayers are disagreeing. . It's like it's impossible for anyone to come up with custom solution to make it more efficient.

rainslacker1760d ago

From what I can tell, people seem to assume that the I/O for how it works on PC is equivalent to how it works on consoles. Or they don't even know what I/O data is.

PC games simply aren't coded to take advantage of greater speeds. They can use them, and it can improve performance, but that's a lot different than devs using direct access to the drive commands and data transfer.

On PC, the OS adds a rather extensive bottleneck, but because not everyone is using ssd drives, it's not good for pc games to code their levels or general design to use anything other than resident memory.

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DillyDilly1761d ago

I thought it was gonna eliminate loading screens ?

solideagle1761d ago

yes thats what previous article said, I am playing DMC 5 and it has so many loading screens. I wish they get rid of loading screens

nitus101761d ago

An SSD will reduce loading times by a factor of up to 6 but it won't completely eliminate loading. It also helps when the developer optimises any loading such that it is much more seamless.

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Tross1760d ago

I like how they're trying to use semantics to cover up this fact. They clearly noticed that people were noticing the obvious that their headlines ended in "...says dev", so now they end them with "- ____ dev". Unfortunately for them, people are not stupid and we know these are still the same kind of articles.

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Days Gone Director Says Bend's Project Costs Over $250M; Says PS Co-CEO Doesn't Want 2 Zombies Games

Days Gone director claims Sony has already poured in at least a $250M in Bend's project; says Days Gone sold more than Death Stranding.

shinoff21832d ago

Well that sucks. Seems they want more online trash. I'd rather of had the sequel if it was single player

MrNinosan2d ago

What online trash games did PS Studios release last 10 years?

Notellin2d ago

The past has nothing to do with the future. This is such a terrible argument. Everyone knows about their current live service push.

_SilverHawk_2d ago

It's so tragic what happened to days gone. It is such an amazing game but bandwagoners trashed it and it underperformed in it's launch year. Days gone is the best open world zombie game released in the past five years. I was recently playing it on pc and I'm still amazed by it.

Games are very expensive to make and it seems like it's normal for a AAA game to cost over a quarter billion to make so if a quality game like days gone greatly underperforms then people shouldn't be upset when they see a lot of GAAS. I still remember a lot of bandwagoners calling days gone trash but years later it's now amazing when it's considered a failure by sony.

If a game isn't the best thing seen since hats with pockets then a lot of gamers who haven't played it automatically calls it rubbish and whoever made it should be incarcerated

Cacabunga2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Co CEO prefers gamers to boycott.. so be it. I’ll never buy a gaas.
Just imagine buying a game you cannot replay in some years.. this shit must stop.

Days Gone did zombies in a very original way. The story was also so engaging. You actually only meet Zombie hordes later in the game. There are many more enemy groups to deal with.

MrNinosan2d ago

@Notelin
I am one of the few who bought Days Gone on release day and loved it completely.
However, "more online trash" is phrased like Sony has put out alot of trash online games.
We got what, 2 games? Helldivers 2 and GT7, 2 of the most sold Playstation games where both is loved by millions.

You, me and especially shinoff has no idea if Fairgames, Marathon and Concord will be trash.

Just because we (as in you and me) don't love or support online games, doesn't mean millions of other do.

And we don't know what Bend Studio is working with? We don't know if they're forced to make a online game or another amazing single player experience.

The only thing we do know is that it's not Days Gone, sadly due to poor sales the first 6 months.

shinoff21831d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

More online trash wasmt meant how insee it comes across. I should've worded it different I was meaning the focus they currently have on it.

Anything online is online trash to me. How long did naughty dog spend on that dumba last of us multiplayer, how about Concord, or even the other couple we hear about. I fk with Sony because rpgs and their 1st party single player games. Been like that for years. I hate seeing them waste time, money, and talent on trash. I understand bot every game is gonna be for me but this focus they've seem to had on multiplayer is extremely disheartening. Even at the state of play the only things I was really feeling were Astrobot and silent hill 2 and I'm content with that, not everything is for me. It's just the online focus I hate. Ms bought up 3 to 4 wrpgs developers, Sony just ignores rpgs 1st party wise.

And a days gone 2 would've been much better then whatever online sht bend is working on. I do know sometimes I get very idk emotional. I do need to work on toning that down a bit lol

SimpleDad1d 12h ago

Ammm let's see... That All-stars, Foamstars, Babilon 5 wass gaas...
Concord... can wait to play that...Marathon uuuu... Last of them gaas... U
Horizon Zero dawn has a project that leaked as a Fortnite lookalike.

They bought Destiny that is a dead gaas...people love ti.

Helldivers 2 was luck.

Jimbo was all in and pushed Sony single player games 5 years behind.

Spiderman gaas was cancelled... I mean every 1st party studio was doing gaas.

Bend had to pitch a gaas game... Open world coop something

I can't remember more... Of that crap.

tay87011d 11h ago

@simpledad. Destiny 2 isn't a dead game. Its the number 5 most played game on steam. I dont play it, but alot of people do.

MrNinosan1d 7h ago

@SimpleDad
You failed to mention a single PS Studios game that has been released last 10 years.
Either your reading skills are crap or you think Sony own every studio in the world.

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just_looken1d 7h ago

I rolled my eyes at concord not only was it just yet another cookie cutter hero shooter but that qucik look for the hero select.

Already has a free section then paid section along with a they/them she/her dei crap top right.

Nothing like a day off of work to fire up concord to read about the new characters sexual identity and or preference then a paywall do you want o buy this character shit like no i just want to shoot my gun have fun.

-Foxtrot2d ago

It would be a shame if it was true that Hermen never gave the franchise a chance simply because he didn't like it and they already had a "Zombie" game with TLOU.

NaughtyDog are most likely moving onto a new IP next so it would have been the perfect time to do it.

ThinkThink2d ago

Here's where xbox steps in and releases state of decay 3 day and date on ps5.

shinoff21831d 22h ago

I mean it's not out of the realm of possibility at this point.

Grilla2d ago

Days gone 2 was canceled before Herman was in charge. That happened like 4 years ago.

vfl5232d ago

4 years ago he was head of Playstation Studios. He would've probably had a hand in the cancelation.

Notellin2d ago

Man two seconds of research could have saved you from this comment. Amazing work Grilla you fit in with the uniformed N4G community who speaks before verifying anything that they say.

Redemption-642d ago

Maybe encourage people to buy the game at full price and not when it's heavily discounted or go on plus. If this game had sold well when it was full priced a sequel would have been in the works. They made a single-player game that most people didn't support until they dropped the price.

Cacabunga2d ago

The guy’s just a moron.. he should have stayed within game development. His choices will have a terrible impact on the brand in the long run.

tay87011d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

Dude is pretty pathetic. Sounds like a guy who's girl left him for someone better. Always talking about days gone sequel that never was, even though he is no longer at bend and hasnt been for a while. I for one am not upset about the lack of a sequel. It is one of the worst 1st party games in recent memory. Completely jank, played like an xbox game. The only redeeming quality was the hordes.

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excaliburps2d ago

Yep. Kind of weird since it wasn't a sales flop, no?

I know we have to take what Ross says with a grain of salt since we're hearing just one side of the story, but even so, the game wasn't bad at all. Heck, it's my brother's favorite last-gen game from what I recall.

The amount of zombies on screen, imagine that with the PS5 and SSD? That would be insanely fun!

Grilla2d ago

Most copies were sold on sale. Not enough ppl bought it at full price. I paid 20$ for it 6 -7 months after release.

Notellin2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Yeah we should never believe the creators side until we hear the corporate/big business side as history has shown we should always believe billion dollar corporations.

What a bootlicker statement.

derek2d ago

@Notellin, of course you'll believe an embittered ex-employee with an axe to grind because it's evil Sony he's complaining about. You guys act like days gone was this huge success and somehow Sony hates easy money a sequel would have generated. The game was mid and so was the response to it. They're still supporting the developer who is making a new ip that could be great.

shinoff21831d 22h ago

Days gone was fantastic. I bought day one but didn't get around to it for months. When I finally did I was pissed at myself for waiting so long lol

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P_Bomb2d ago

Well I don’t want 10 live service games, but they have no problem doing that lol. Ugh.

CrimsonWing692d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Oh great so we only get what the big wigs want… y’know, the people that really have their fingers on the pulse of what their consumers want. Faaaaantastic!

rippermcrip2d ago

Well consider they know the sales... they do know what the consumer wants.

It sold shit.

-Foxtrot1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

But if it’s true what this guy says it sold better than Death Stranding

Yet that got a sequel and Kojima aside out of them both DS didn’t really NEED a sequel compared to Days Gone which ended on such a cliff hanger twist.

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Greetings from the newly minted CEO - Shams Jorjani

Operating under the username BigKahuna_AGS, Jorjani created a lengthy thread on the Helldivers subreddit to introduce himself to the community following his appointment as CEO in early May.

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Frostpunk 2 Dev Talks Creative Risks, Supply and Demand, and More

Game Rant speaks with Frostpunk 2 co-game director and design director Jakub Stokalski about everything 11 bit poured into the sequel.

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