Microsoft Officially Announces Next Xbox "Project Scarlett" and It’s Powerful

During Microsoft’s E3 press conferences Phil Spencer, executive vice-president of Gaming at Microsoft took to the stage to unveil Xbox’s next-gen console.

[mark3214uk]

How can it be powerful based of a cheesy video and hardly no specs?

They might as well of said were waiting to see what sony announce before showing our final specs

[anonymousfan]

Well we know it "eats monsters for breakfast" lmao. Nah the only useful bit of info was the planned release window.

Edit: type-o

[Eonjay]

The withheld specs on purpose.

[UltraNova]

The said its going to be 4 times as powerful as the X... 24tf?? Don't think so.

[Tech5]

"4X more powerful than the Xbox One X"
https://mp1st.com/news/e3-2...

so 24 T-flops of power i presume.

[BLizardXD]

it eats monsters for breakfast!!!

[Sevir]

That 24tf is simply multiplying the number. Not the performance...

The One X is 50-60% more powerful than the PS4 Pro and 4 times more power than the XBO... And the latter is a 1.3tf machine...

Four times more powerful than the one X would place it squarely in the bracket of 12-15tflops...

[gravedigger]

@tech5

It's not 24 TF becuase it is 4x over X1X. It's overall power over CPU, GPU, bandwidth, etc...

[BLizardXD]

it specifically says ""4X more powerful than the Xbox One X"
not the original xbox, xbox 360, or classic xbox one. it says "X".

X is a 6 Tflops console.

[The-Matrix-has-you]

@UltraNova

4X the power doesn’t necessarily directly translate to 4X the Teraflop performance. However, you never know. Could be some crazy advancements.

[OB1Biker]

@BLizardXD
*'from a pure processing perspective...'

[S2Killinit]

4X more powerful. Hmmmm where have I heard that before? Uha I call puffery.

[dantesparda]

"Microsoft Officially Announces Next Xbox "Project Scarlett" and It’s Powerful"
What the f? Did this website make the same claim/statement when Sony announce its specs? Cuz so far they are exactly the same thing. Some people/website just really cant help themselves and make themselves look stupid. So far there has been nothing said that makes one better than the other, except for a bunch of fanboys just assuming that MS's machine will be better. I feel sorry for that dumb lot.

And seriously any difference will be so minute that good luck seeing/finding the difference.

[Tech5]

OB1Biker "from a pure processing perspective"

T-flops is from a processing perspective. flops = floating point operations per-second. it's the measurement in processing compute power.

anyways, Microsoft just confirmed it to have Unmatched power.
- “Introducing Project Scarlett. Unmatched power and speed ushers in a new level of game play performance and the future of gaming. With four generations of content that looks and feels unlike anything before.”
https://twinfinite.net/2019...

[Razzer]

The GPU in the Xbox One X is 6 TF. Just the GPU. MS is saying the combined processing power of the next gen Xbox is 4x that of One X. That does NOT mean 24 TF since they are talking about more than just the GPU itself.

@BLizardXD
"X is a 6 Tflops console."

No. X has a 6 TF GPU. Significant difference.

[AmUnRa]

Yeah that comment" it eats monsters for breakfast" was embarrassing and out of place.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Are these articles paid promotion? The title "and it's Powerful!" is bullshit. No specs were announced and we got about as much information as we did a month or so ago when Wired Magazine interviewed Mark Cerny about the PS5. Zen 2, Navi, ssd. For an official E3 console reveal this was exceedingly vague. No mention of teraflops, number of gbs of ram, clock speeds, or price point. We didn't even get the real name "Project Scarlett". That was a weak reveal and a weak conference. Even the ssd confirmation was dramatically less exciting due to Sony beating them to the punch and actually showing it in motion on Spider-man. Don't get me wrong, Zen 2, Navi, and ssd are all great things, but Sony already gave the same info in a random interview and Microsoft closes E3 with it? C'mon, nut up and reveal the specs. Big talkers when they know they have the advantage, but not now. How many times has Greenberg or Phil spouted "6 teraflops" or "BEAST" in the past 2 years? But at the official console reveal on stage you are scared to announce specs because you are nervous about Sony.

[Ceaser9857361]

Sevir

Wrong info dude. X is 40% powerful than the Pro....

[Donnie81]

So pretty much they are making sure they have the more powerful system

[Rude-ro]

They are making sure they are saying the right thing.
The issue is confidence in Microsoft’s actual actions.

[crazyCoconuts]

We'll see. They won't have a year to adjust so they're both playing with the same limitations. Gotta think they'll be targeting the same price point too, so they'll probably be similar performance wise.

[Profchaos]

4 times more Powerful from a processing perspective equals amd zen 2 has 4 times the power of the old Xbox One and one X CPU which was a mobile based system.

If you listen to the wording very specifically they are talking about the CPU power not the GPU

[Tapani]

Profchaos is correct. They were talking about the CPU not the GPU. 4x powerful is pretty much the minimum we needed to get back on track in regards to frame rates and physics.

The SSD here is the key. I think Xbox Two and PS5 will be somewhere around 12TF - 14TF in terms of power. Now it will be much more about the content and ways to play, than ever before. The power will be there, no doubt.

[kingfortoday]

@BLizardXD no. They specified that the cpu is 4x more powerful. That's all

[IamTylerDurden1]

People are on Crack. This was little more than what Cerny gave us about PS5 in a Wired magazine interview. Zen 2, Ray tracing, 8k, Navi, ssd. All good things, all expected now, but the only difference is gddr6 was confirmed, whereas, it was assumed but not confirmed for the PS5. No teraflops, clock speeds, number of gbs (ram), no numbers on storage, no price point, not even the official name. The entire conference was underwhelming, but the next box reveal was the height of disappointment. I expected a true console reveal, but it appears that Microsoft isn't confident enough to drop numbers this time. Obviously PS5 is looming and team Xbox is nervous.

I'm surprised we didn't see gameplay from Gears and Halo, but we did see gameplay from Minecraft, though, Riverbond looks vastly superior. Flight Sim would've been perhaps palatable in VR, maybe? The Gears POP and mobile game was a low point. I recall something similar last year.

[darthv72]

Guess Sony got wind of Scarlett specs and opted to reveal theirs beforehand to steal some thunder.

No worries though. Even if they are on par I will still get both. PS5 for God of War 2 and Scarlett for Halo Infinite.

[THC CELL]

You really think sony r gunna show.a console less powerful now. Pff u will be shocked how sony strategy is working right now

Oh and bring up anaconda bla bla sony will also have a pro

[S2Killinit]

I believe MS will release first because of their position, then Sony will release. This is why MS is making it a point to mention that there will be future models, since their first counsel might be slightly less powerful than Sony’s. This doesnt mean Sony wont have later models as well.

[Razzer]

"Guess Sony got wind of Scarlett specs and opted to reveal theirs beforehand to steal some thunder. "

lol....what? They are both using the same exact architecture. Navi and Zen 2. The only "specs" they have revealed coincide with the capabilities of HDMI 2. Why are you making nonsense up about what Sony "got wind of"?

[NarutoFox]

Or you can get Halo Infinite on PC as well

[rainslacker]

Yeah....except it worked to generate hype for PS5, while MS ended up looking like they were just reacting to the news.

I don't think it's because they got wind of Scarlett's specs, because Sony didn't release any specs. I think it's because they knew that MS was going to say something at E3, and they wanted to make sure they kept their name in the news and not come across the way MS is now.

Or, they just do their own thing, and are better at playing the marketing game than MS is, just like they have been since before this gen started. Remember last gen when they caused MS to delay it's reveal conference by having a surprise reveal event themselves? This is really no different.

[EddieNX]

4 times as powerful as Xbox one X. 25tflops?

[Fishy Fingers]

CPU.

[mark3214uk]

Dont be silly

[EddieNX]

Fishy Fingers, they seem to use TFLOPS to put power into perspective for consumers. It's even on the Marketing material for the X.

[Fishy Fingers]

Eddie, it wont be 24tflops (4x XBX), AMD dont (nor does anyone else) produce hardware capable at any consumer price point.

2080 TI at £1000 is 13tflops and better than anything AMD has to offer.

[Cupid_Viper_3]

Direct quote from the reveal video: "From a pure processing perspective, this is 4 times more powerful than the XBox One X."

Emphasis on "PURE PROCESSING PERSPECTIVE"

[RosweeSon]

They said 40X... look at their twitter feed it’s all their in bulletpoints
40X more powerful than current consoles... 40X!?!?!!! Hahahaa ok I got power and performance mixed up but still 4X is laughable that halo footage didn’t look 4X better, yes I made a mistake could have edited it all out but hey ho 4X still a joke they think they iPhone or something haha

[beulahland]

@mark3214uk "Dont be silly"

Well, if our N4G Nostradamus says, who is Eddie to say otherwise? LOL!

[rainslacker]

Zen is the CPU. That's what they were citing. The layman doesn't really pay attention. GPU is probably going to be between 12-14TF. Even on the current systems, the TFlop rating is potential rating of the GPU, not the actual performance of the whole system, so the number is kind of meaningless outside of peak potential, except that more powerful GPU means more chance of better graphics.

[Razzer]

@EddieNX

Keep dreaming.

@Fishy Fingers

Exactly. Thank you.

@rainslacker
"GPU is probably going to be between 12-14TF. "

Doubtful. You are in RTX 2080 ti range there. I'd say less than 10 TF for the GPU otherwise the cost is going to be too high. This is why MS and Sony are yapping about SSD and they are reading off the HDMI 2.1 spec sheet for what is "capable".

[Vandamme21]

That conference was boring

[beulahland]

@Vandamme21 didn't ask you.

[DerfDerf]

Well they did say that in terms of processing power it is 4x's more powerful than the X.

[Kribwalker]

They said it’s 4 times more powerful then the OneX in a processing perspective. And that thing is a beast

[Orionsangel]

They may have just given away the name of the next Xbox console

Xbox Infinite

[The-Matrix-has-you]

Or
Xbox 2
Then
Xbox 2X
And so on

[crazyCoconuts]

That's a good one... You might be right

[beulahland]

@mark3214uk "How can it be powerful based of a cheesy video and hardly no specs?"

How cannot it be? Do you have any insider information, Nostradamus?

[RosweeSon]

Because they said so 😜 besides they were hardly gonna launch and inferior console but yeah think I’ll wait to see much more.

[rainslacker]

It's the most powerful they've ever designed, which is important, because...well, I'm not sure why. They made a remark that it'd be 4X more powerful than the X1X, implying about 24TF or so, but they were only talking about the CPU, not the GPU, or it's overall computing power, but I'd imagine we'll see some assuming they meant 24TF, because some people are stupid. So....we have that to look forward to.

While watching the video, I thought they were just taking the talking points of Cerny's interview, and saying, "me too". Then they had to make it worse by highlighting the load times, which was from a follow up interview, and making it into a much bigger deal than it needs to be. But hey, it came from a person who is really into RPG's, which is like me, so I should listen I guess....even though MS has the least number of RPG's on their system than all the big three...including Nintendo. I had to laugh when she acted like people were somehow brought down because they "just knew" that the loading was going on in the background.

They talked about how they provide all this hardware and tools for the developers to realize their vision, but the rest of their show just makes it seem like they don't even know what to do with all that power beyond pretty graphics....and their graphics aren't top of the class material IMO. Halo Infinite I thought may have been a remaster of a prior game as rough as it looked, and can't tell about gears because they didn't show any game play, but David Cage had better graphics for the load screens for Heavy Rain, on the PS3, rendered in real time, than they showed in that trippy thing they did leading into Gears.

[BlackRaven85_1]

These consoles weren't designed yesterday you know that right? Honestly you sound like a fanboy bashing the other team.

[rainslacker]

NOOOO...Really? I thought they slapped it together right before the show and stuff. Also...what relevance does that have to anything I said, and where did I imply that I felt they just slapped this together?

How was a I bashing the other team? I stated my opinion on the information in the way they presented it. Be more specific, because if you can't say why my opinion is wrong, then I don't know if you're trying to discuss something with me, or just throw in a comment trying to discredit anything i say with nothing worthwhile to argue from your own point of view.

[giovanealex]

@mark3214uk they told that games can run up tp 120fps and 8k. What do you expect to run games like this, genius, a RASPBERRY PI? LOL!

[itsmebryan]

Isn't that the same thing Sony did before their no show at E3?

[DillyDilly]

Sony announced the PS5 through a interview no one bitched calm your tits

[NarutoFox]

24tf= $600 to $700 😁

[NeoGamer232]

Specs mean nothing without them being tied to the real world capabilities.

A perfect Example was the Sony Cell processor. Spec-wise it was capable of 1080P and 60 FPS.... In reality very few games achieved that on the PS3.

[Retroman]

Skip all the blah,blah, blah this and that. what do it look like

[NonPartisanGamer]

No concrete specs unfortunately, but 4x processing power of x1x, gddr 6, ssd with virtual ram, and all gen backwards compatibility is a good start.

[antarius]

You don’t think Microsoft is going to put out a beefier console than Sony? They will but games is what matters most. I didn’t catch if halo will be a launch title. That will help them immensely in a holdiay sales competition.

[Nintentional]

You’re just mad it was a good tactic. Why not make the competition sweat?? You need a sweatshirt? 😂😂

[KillBill]

Except they have said the same thing about PS5 with relatively same amount of info... when is PS5 release date again?

[AmUnRa]

Winter 2020....

[sprinterboy]

Ryzen 2
Ssd
Gddr6
Pretty much obvious it's gonna be powerful. Seems the same specs as ps5

[fathertime4464]

Well Sony withheld their specs probably hoping MS would reveal theirs first. Problem is both Sony and MS players want to know what to anticipate

[343_Guilty_Spark]

At the bare minimum it has the same specs as the PS5, possibly better

[MasterCornholio]

Well after the video it's even possible that the PS5 will have better specs since Microsoft didn't make claims on having the most powerful next gen system.

We will have to wait and see.

[THC CELL]

I see why sony stayed away now most games was mp
Also halo looks good

[jznrpg]

Halo looked cheesy to me. No gameplay just bad acting

[aconnellan]

Do we really need gameplay a year and a half before release?

[bouzebbal]

Lip sync is still devs enemy number one,.. Eats monsters for breakfast but devs aren't capable of pulling decent lip sync, even CG..

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Says the Days Gone lover lol

[IamTylerDurden1]

Two straight years of Halo cinematic trailers, and they closed the show with it. If you close the show with a mediocre cinematic at least let it be a reveal. Either a reveal or a gameplay trailer. That was a weak closer with bad acting. The conference was uneventful and boring. The only newly announced exclusive (i assume it's exclusive) was the woefully unimpressive and dramatically disappointing 4x4 multiplayer game from Ninja Theory. Everybody feared that the studios MS acquired would be ruined and pressured into developing budget titles for Game Pass and multiplayer/GaaS abominations. I know Ninja Theory stated that Bleeding Edge was in development before the acquisition, but in truth Ninja Theory is constantly prototyping and experimenting. Of course MS encouraged development of Bleeding Edge. It's exactly what they want. Budget game, multiplayer, Fortnite aesthetic, room for MTs, probable GaaS. From Hellblade to this. I know "it was already in development" but this is what people feared. Unfortunate. We'll see what other projects they have, but Bleeding Edge was a brutal start, imo.

343

Days Gone has great voice acting and good lip syncing. The lip syncing issue was merely a glitch, in fact, the lip syncing during real-time gameplay and even combat sequences is better than the lip syncing in the cut scenes of some games. Days Gone is great, btw, free DLC just released with new trophies and all.

[fathertime4464]

Y'all need to make up your minds! Your pissy if they show game play footage a year in advance and your pissy if they show a trailer....
Maybe since the game isn't done yet they didn't want to show in game footage that may change so that they didn't have to listen to people that will never play it anyways bitch that it was possibly downgraded...

[akurtz]

Just another “hey look who it is, Master Chief, what a surprise” with no gameplay. Uuggghhh.

[zawuxif]

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[Potnoodle999]

Such a boring show, I was shocked at the boredom...

[kneon]

I had a good time, I didn't watch and was out doing other stuff.

[RpgSama]

It was a terrible show, everything they showed except the games from Xbox Game Studios are going to be on the PS4, for me the biggest announcement from the conference was that the outer world's is going to be day one Game Pass.

Halo didn't include any actual gameplay and the "in game footage" doesn't even look that good.

[J-DARKnes]

Right! Keanu Reeves was the highest of this conference, so much for having the floor to themselves.

[Thunder_G0d_Bane]

Hslo looks good? There was no f**king gameplay. It could look like a dated game for all we know.

This is why companies take the piss out of gamers cause people like this say a game looks good based on a CGI trailer ffs.

[Christopher]

Buzz word city...

[Cupid_Viper_3]

That XBox Scarlett reveal was so unnecessarily cringy. It's like Microsoft really, REALLLY, desperately want that good old "gaming money" but are so clueless on how to go about it. It was like watching a visual presentation of the interview Mark Ceny did for PS5. Almost word for word. lol

[Unspoken]

You mean neither company let on to what the specs of the consoles would be? And that they would be similar in performance? You don't say.

[Cupid_Viper_3]

One company knew that they wouldn't "let on to what the spec of its next console would be" like you said, and that company just had a simple regular interview for that purpose.

Another company hyped up E3 having everyone believe that it was going to be this huge thing, only to announce the EXACT same thing that another company announced almost 2 months before. Almost word for word.

Gamers: Hey Microsoft, why should we consider buying your next-gen console?

Microsoft: Well, Imagine a PS5....

[SmielmaN]

“Gamers: Hey Microsoft, why should we consider buying your next-gen console?

Microsoft: Well, Imagine a PS5....”

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[solideagle]

Combination of SSD and Solid State Drive will... :O :O :O 1: 52

now that is killer combination :)

[Cupid_Viper_3]

Haha, I thought I was the only one who noticed that.
Microsoft is out here combining SSD and Solid State Drives. No wonder it eats monsters for breakfast.

[OB1Biker]

Yea, I thought maybe I dont get it but it sounds a bit like the infamous highest quality pixels ever quote XD

[scorpio_2049]

Woah woah woah. Hol up. I’ve only ever seen the separate. Microsoft has found a way to combine them?

[thejigisup]

SSD stands for solid state drive....

[frostypants]

Jesus, imagine if they also combine a GPU with a graphics processing unit. What a beast!

[victorMaje]

Hahaha I knew I heard that right. 🤣

[solidossnakos]

He didn't say ssd.
SoC and Solid State Drive.

[Cupid_Viper_3]

Uh... Even the close caption has him saying "SSD"...

[Razzer]

The closed caption is wrong He said SoC.

[ziggurcat]

“He didn't say ssd.
SoC and Solid State Drive.”

No, he clearly said SSD and Solid State Drive.

[Cobra951]

I listened again carefully. Razzer and solidossnakos are right: He said "the SoC [system on a chip] and the solid-state drive". It's much funnier the other way.

[ziggurcat]

Okay, listened to it again very carefully - he does say SOC.

We got ourselves a Yanni/Laurel thing going on here haha

[DarkZane]

They basically announced that Xbox Scarlett would be able to do what Sony already said the PS5 would be able to.

[mark3214uk]

word for word on most of the video

[beulahland]

Which is good. What's the problem with it?

[Fishy Fingers]

Weird. Both using AMD, both releasing in the same window. Shocking they're similar isn't it...

[THC CELL]

Sony got this mark my word

[sixthelement]

More powerful?

[THC CELL]

Deffo u think sony will announce a less powerful console come on

[Potnoodle999]

All the way.

[OB1Biker]

Did you mean 'Sony got this Mark Cerny'?

[deadfrag]

From the looks Scarlett does not play physical game discs its only a streaming/cloud box!? PS5 will play disc base games!

[Nyxus]

I really doubt that. Didn't they also say they wanted to give gamers options?

[Sharky231]

If this is true... the box will be dead on arrival! That’s just my opinion!

[DerfDerf]

They confirmed months ago the next xbox would have a disc drive.

[Potnoodle999]

Hmmm don’t know where you got that from mate.

[aconnellan]

Nowhere in the conference did they say that, stop spreading misinformation

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

Liar

[itsmebryan]

Why are you spreading misinformation?

[rainslacker]

I predict the Scarlett will win the console war, because it will load Cyberpunk in 0.12 seconds, instead of 0.14 seconds on the PS5.

Thank God for that MS ingenuity, and "designing" a new SSD system the likes of which we have never seen. Now, I will never have to play my games just knowing that it's loading in the background, while I travel up that elevator...which I assume is a common thing done in Xbox games, because I've never seen it in the RPG's that the person who loves RPGS who makes that statement and can't think of any game where they had something so pedestrian...although I assume they exist. God of War had that area you had to walk through, but they filled it with exposition. If that's a problem for people, then I don't know how they lasted this long, or they are very new to gaming.

I just hope that load times aren't the next big thing that Digital Foundary tries to make it's click bait off of.

Also

/s since a lot of people seem oblivious to it as of late.

[RememberThe357]

There's the elevator in Mass Effect, remember? That's the only one I can remember.

[rainslacker]

Yeah, that one had slipped my mind. I know it's common to mask load times with in game stuff, like Uncharted did it in the back ground during cut scenes. But never once was it something in the back of my mind ruining the experience, nor did I feel that it was something of a contention that it really needed to be addressed as something generation defining. At most, for "elevator" loads, it was sometimes annoying if I meant to do something else before going to where the elevator goes, and I have to get back on again.

[chiefJohn117]

Have no clue what you're talking about with the mumble jumbo. But no honest person minds load times. So you brushing that off is BS.

[rainslacker]

Load times can be annoying. I'm brushing off the comment from that one designer that made a big deal about how people just know in the back of their head that the game is loading in the back ground, and that it somehow ruins the experience.

I'm fine with no, or minimal load times. I'm not usually fussed about them in more modern games except in rare instances. I'm hoping that load times don't become a major focus in the console wars, because it's a silly thing to bicker about.

[nucky64]

only with way less good games than PS.

[TheUndertaker85]

Sony hasn’t said the PS5 will be backwards compatible with all past console generations from Sony. They’ve only shown PS4 games.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

I'm waiting for specs comparison

[I_am_Batman]

That'll take a while. Clockspeeds and amount of Ram are probably still subject to change and neither Sony nor MS want to commit early on and give the competition the advantage of being able to react. In the end both consoles will be relatively similar since they are using the same µarchitecture though.

We'll get more information on Navi in the AMD conference. Then we'll have a good idea of what to expect from the next gen consoles.

[The-Matrix-has-you]

Dude totally. It’s going to be very interesting to see how this pans out. Can’t wait for Sony to show their hand. I would be willing to bet Sony not appearing at E3 this year means they are playing games with Microsoft again. Sony is just too wise and formidable. Microsoft is definitely making the right decisions and moving forward to a better gaming future. However it will take them a while to solidify heavy hitting IP’s while Sony is and has been there more over two decades.

[StormLegend]

Sony already won this without even being there. The PS5 already does this and power means nothing without Big exclusives which Sony has.

[aconnellan]

Sony has awesome exclusives, but MS showed a bunch of games that won’t be coming to PlayStation. Doesn’t that count for something?

[RememberThe357]

Which ones do you mean? I saw Halo for Scarlett, Gears for Xbone, a few small games for GamePass... And I must have missed something.

[zackeroniii]

Just because some may not be coming to Playstation doesn't mean it counts for something especially if they are lackluster

I'm hungry and someone gave me their dookie to eat....that must count for something....

[sprinterboy]

Like what, I saw cgi not gameplay and the highlight of the show was a person not a game (Keanu Reeves)

[beulahland]

@Travis3708 I wanna have some of what you've smoked, dude.

[zackeroniii]

Must be what xbox fans have been smoking for the past two generations

[-volt-]

Sony hasn't won anything other than having the most fanboys award.

[galmi]

on n4g, sony always wins lol

[Dirtnapstor]

@galmi
It may feel like that now, but it didn’t use to be this way. PS players had been constantly tarred and feathered by Xbox fanboys. They (X’s) were in denial. Now the Xboxers have become enlightened and have gone back to breastfeed.

[sprinterboy]

Death stranding has been the best trailer showcased this month with actual gameplay over anything I've seen at E3 so far.
Sony must like wow, we still won and didn't even attend lol.

[ElementX]

They did say the Scarlett has 4x the processing power of X but otherwise no information. It's nice to know they're also using an advanced SSD but that was to be expected.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Yes it's powerful. It also echoed pretty much everything thus far about PS5. So we'll have to get down to the specific numbers, and obvious the games, before there's anything to get excited for.

[AngainorG7X]

Actually they said that Scarlett will be 4 times more powerful than Xbox One X, so....

[deadfrag]

Its a streaming box that will use cloud compute ....thats the only way to have 24TB of performance power!Im not going to buy a machine that needs to BE connect 24/7 to the cloud to play games because it can not play physical média.Microsoft is going the online only route.

[aconnellan]

Again, your comment is completely misinformed and incorrect

[AngainorG7X]

You seriously don't know what you are talking about

[Sevir]

24tf is literally 8-10x the performance power of 6tf...
All you did was multiply the arbitrary number...

The Xbox one X is 4x the the performance of the original XBO and that machine is 1.3 Tera flops...

If you simply multiplied the number you see, you'd get 4.5. calculating Teraflops isn't as simple as multiplying the base number they give you. That figure is calculated by the number the number of cores, times the clock. Speed and a host of other numbers.

Scarlett and PS5 are likely 12-15tflop machines

[Thundercat77]

And actually, they said the Xbox one was 10 times more powerful with the power of the cloud.

Everyone knows not to believe Microsoft and their PR stunts.

[Darkborn]

They once said with the cloud there would be no need for future consoles. The next year they announced the Xbox one x. Lol

[Orionsangel]

They may have just given away the name of the next Xbox console.

Xbox Infinite

[RizBiz]

Given M$'s naming history, my bet is on "OGXbox."

[chiefJohn117]

Unlikely, using "one" for a sequel device is common. Sony themselves have a phone called xperia 1 yet it's not the first phone in the xperia line. So if you're comment was based of naming their 3rd console "One" let me be the first to inform you of this revelation.

[patterson]

I’m betting on xBoxboXx

[potedude]

Replying to remember if you are correct in a years time.

[Orionsangel]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[SinisterKieran]

spent a lot of time..repeating the same thing and jerking themselves off.

[Jls1]

I thought Microsoft would be smart and release it this year to get ahead start on Sony, but looks like another win for Sony.

[beulahland]

What? Are you nuts?

[AngainorG7X]

Huh?

[Lennoxb63]

That wouldn't be smart. That'd make their console underpowered.

[Gamist2dot0]

4 x more powerful than the X so they're targeting 24.8 TFLOP?

[Razzer]

The GPU in the One X is 6 TF. The video is referring to the combination of Navi and Zen 2 as being more than 4x that of the processing power of One X.

They are not talking about GPU teraflops when they say "4x".

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Rumors are between 12-15 flops

[DiRtY]

In before the downplay... ahh I am late...

[sushimama]

Honestly, Microsoft should have missed this E3 as well. Horrible reveal and horrible conference.

[ritchi45]

Both next gen consoles sound so similar these days, MS and Sony might as well cosy up and collaborate to bring us a single console that truly unifies gamers together on a single system imo

[RizBiz]

That's what Sony already did with the PS4. M$ is irrelevant in the gaming industry.

[Tra-D214]

Power means nothing without games

[Tsar4ever01]

OMFG!! THE ANACONDA IS ACTUALLY THE "PLAYSTATION 5!!!" DID YA"LL FREAKING HEAR HOW THEY DESCRIBED THE SPEC? IT"S THE F**KING PS5 SPECS, WORD FROM F**KING WORD!! AND THEY DONE IT WITH SUCH A STRAIGHT FACE!! There's no more SHAME in this world.

[monkey602]

I don't even care if the next Xbox is twice the power of the PS5. Microsoft are going out this gen on a whimper and they failed to truly impress the entirety of the Xbox Ones life cycle. There's no way I'd support them next gen after that shambles.

[HighPlayer28]

Should of talked about Lockhart specs and released it early next year smh another missed opportunity.

[JayRyu]

If scarlet is 4x stronger than the Xb1X, then I can't wait to see what the Anaconda can do!

[Razzer]

Scarlett is what internet rumors have dubbed "Anaconda". There isn't going to be another Xbox more powerful than Scarlett. Anaconda was never an official thing anyway.

[Lennoxb63]

Scarlet is the code name for the next gen Xboxs. Lockhart and Anaconda are the code names of the actual consoles.

[MasterCornholio]

They just said that Scarlett will be the most powerful Xbox that they will make.

[jukins]

I remeber Phil said xbox will never lose the power advantage again. I noticed those type of comments were absent from this conference

[The-Matrix-has-you]

I have a strong hunch Microsoft knows the PS5 will be the more capable console. You can kind of tell Phil Spencer wasn’t as hyped about the reveal of Project Scarlet. Mark Cerny is an absolute beast of an engineer and he is probably developing a really powerful feature (Remembers “secret sauce”) for the PS5. Was a good conference though. Really excited to see more Halo Infinite!

[jukins]

The only reason I'm leaning towards Sony having the more powerful console this go around is mark cerny and all the rumors of Sony and AMD collabing on the design of navi and that it was basically purpose built for playstation 5 and expanded upon for PC, again rumors but I kept seeing stories about it and microsofts name never really came up except the likelyhood they would use AMD in the next xbox.

And honestly the way Sony kinda did a mini reveal via an interview and they're skipping e3 something tells me they know they got the power card in the bag to start the gen.

I'll admit I'm playstation bias but I'm also a realist and this e3 showing wasnt bad but coming off this generation it needed to be much much better halo gears battletaods? Was there a game that we havent heard of or seen in the past 3 years let alone a alot being multiplat

[MasterCornholio]

The only *secret sauce* that I can imagine Sony having is something that vastly improves load times based off a patent that I saw.

[Razzer]

It was irresponsible thing to say from the beginning. MS doesn't control how powerful PlayStation will be.

[jukins]

Yea but I figured they were just that money they have to just make a beast console and eat the costs was definitely careless

[Lennoxb63]

Cause he doesn't know the PS5 specs so he doesn't want to talk too soon.

[jukins]

He already said at the xbox one x reveal that xbox would never lose the power advantage again. I mean why say it then but be quiet now

[Whitey2k]

I believe when they meant by 4x stronger I assumed of the power difference between zen2 cpu and jaguar cpu and that the zen is 4x powerful then a notebook processor

[Goukira]

Same video like when they announced xbox one x...project scorpio

[RosweeSon]

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[REDDURT]

Nothing but fluff we know as much as we did yesterday.

[itsmebryan]

You know the same amount about the PS5. So, it's equal. My we what for the final hardware.

[itsmebryan]

So much for the people bragging about the PS5 load times. Now we know Scarlet has it too. MS gave just enough information to let you know their system has the same as the PS5. Now that puts the dampers on the PS5 hype. So, we wait for the final specs next year. I think MS played their hand well.

[RizBiz]

So it's a re-branded PS5? Way to go, M$.

[Benficaman]

And thats why sony skipped this E3. Nothing to show.

[Elda]

After this lackluster conference I have no interest in buying an XB console or the Scarlett unless they finally show a slew of really interesting AAA exclusives at E3 2020 before the Scarlett releases.

[DillyDilly]

Lets be honest you were NEVER gonna buy it anyway

[Elda]

If they would have shown at least 4 or 5 compelling interesting AAA exclusives that I would have said to myself...that game looks amazing I've got to play that!! I would have definitely bought an XB console. Imo they did not do that at this conference. I just don't have any interest in Halo,Gears or Forza.

[DillyDilly]

That will clearly be next year now that they have a release window & will likely put the system up for pre order after next years E3. This year was mostly about Indies which does need hte support I can appreciate that. Next year will be about next gen. This rage of yours feels easily fake as NEXT YEAR will be about next gen. They also likely dont wanna introduce to many games not even ready yet. Well you cant complain next year because this year was not about next gen. Sony confirmed the PS5 in a interview & Microsoft did theirs at E3 nothing more nothing less & NEXT year will be about the games for next gen

[Elda]

Throughout many MS conferences especially this gen MS has imo disappoint when it comes to new interesting compelling AAA exclusives,they basically have been showing the same games Ori,Halo,Gears & Forza games I have zero interest in (though this new Ori looks nice) including the cancellation of certain games. Next years MS E3 will probably be more of same but maybe just maybe with next gen starting next year they may finally start showing off some original must play AAA games & if that happens I may finally invest in a XB console.

[Whitey2k]

Or Sony is playing it smart so xbox can announce there console and for sony to hear the specs and tweak it . It's the same as the ps4 pro once they announced and released it that's when Microsoft striked and pop heres x1x..

my anaconda dont want none unless u got buns hun

[Spurg]

looool....these types of comments make me chuckle.
You know it takes years to plan consoles things like that aren't just change just like that.

[Whitey2k]

Erm actually they can change of dev kits or simple overclocking and that doesn't take years either unless it's being made right now then overclocking will do fine

[AK91]

This is the exact same video they made for Scorpio a couple years ago, well at least they are consistent.

[BABI-PANGPANG]

Show. Don't tell..

[Destiny1080]

8K And 120fps

so why did halo look like hot garbage

[Lennoxb63]

Where'd you get the info that Halo was running at 8K 120fps?

[thexmanone]

You need to get rid of you 480 CRT TV. Things may look better for you

[TheColbertinator]

Good conference. Great games incoming especially PSO2

[Thundercat77]

They said the Xbox one was 10 times more powerful with the power of the cloud and now Xbox Scarlet is 4 times more powerful than Xbox one x.

Microsoft has never lied in their statements so we can be sure this is all true.

[itsmebryan]

MS cloud is powerful enough that now Sony is using it. The Xbox one X is more powerful than the PS4 pro. Where is the lie?

[Moquiao]

Thundercat77 Never said anything about the Xbox one X not being more powerful than the PS4 Pro.
He said Microsoft claimed the Xbox ONE would be 10 times more powerful with the "power of the cloud".

Tell me... did the "power of the cloud" make Xbox One 10 times more powerful?
Did the "power of the cloud" do ANYTHING to help Microsoft get an upper hand in the competition against Sony?

Nope.

Was it a lie?

Yup!

[Italiano1234567]

Word on the e3 floor is that the ps5 is more powerful

[itsmebryan]

Say who?

[Destiny1080]

The only people on the floor are xbox gamers

[thexmanone]

Yea ok, Sony was not there

[BlackTar187]

I skipped the x so I'll get this one. It amazes me the level of awkward commitment xbox has with it's consumers though.

[Father__Merrin]

How much will the equivilant pc cost? I see pc elitist playing this down...

[AlexanderHUN]

The amount of people thinking that 4 times the performance of the X1X means 24Tflop is mindblowing. It's the overall performance of the console not just the gpu. The recently released Radeon VII which is a ~13,5Tflop card, starts at 700€, no chance X1X will have almost double that performance dont be delusional here. Safer bet is saying that the NextBox will be around somewhere 10-12Tflops in terms of GPU performance, the biggest upgrade (aside from the SSD) will obviously be the Zen2 cpu. The jaguar was the biggest limiting factor in this generation, so throwing it out and opting for the Zen2 will up the overall performance greatly.

[MrSec84]

Navi has 25% better IPC than Vega, I'm not sure about the IPC gains going from the Polaris tech in XB1-X maybe 40% better IPC.
Presumably the Ray Tracing hardware will add to things like Lighting performance, reduction in Lighting workloads that would normally be handled with the base Stream Processor tech.
Scarlett could have 70CUs, clocked around 1900MHz gives us just over 17TFlops and with a 40% IPC gain we get very close to the performance of a 24TFlop Polaris GPU.

Things like Zen 2 CPU tech, RAM bandwidth and capacity enhancements, along with PCIE 4.0 tech and the SSD will all add to the end level gaming performance.
Having 3rd Gen Ryzen alone will provide a huge bump in all workloads.

Scarlett will definitely not have a 24TFlop Navi GPU, it doesn't need that with the IPC gains of Navi, the better CPU tech and everything available to next gen consoles from AMD and platform holder partners.
The power efficiency gains of CPU and GPU tech from AMD are going to make packing this tech in a console much easier too.

We just need to know specific specs and the cost of Navi GPUs to be able to make an educated guess on end cost of Next Gen consoles.

PS5 will likely be very comparable to whatever is in Scarlett, given they have the same tech partners.

[babadivad]

The salt is real.

[Bytor]

They said 40 percent gains in speed on loading doesn't the ps5 do like over 90%

[thexmanone]

When did they say that? I watched it

[RizBiz]

"The combination of the SSD and the Solid State Drive...."

What kind of inbreds do they have working at XBox? o_O

[Cobra951]

I heard that too. Laughed my ass off. Then a couple of comments here made me listen again. He actually said SoC, not SSD.

[REDDURT]

Pretty much nothing but what they did last year

[Azfargh]

Not a coincidence that they are getting equal features both MS and Sony. They did the base research, getting developers opinions, learning with past mistakes... It is expected to get the same ground, so don´t go ahead saying that MS is a uninspired copy-and-paste from Sony.

Now, stating about power like that, it is a bold one I gotta say it. AMD and Sony worked together on the NAVI gpu and their secret sauce, it is hard to believe that MS can do more without just adding more raw components (RAM as an example).

Also, why bother to mention 120fps - 8k...? Honestly, any 2D indie game can achieve that even on actual specs if the consoles could output 8k. Really, why underestimate the consumers like that...?

Next gen will get interesting. I hope to see for both consoles an PS2 >>> PS3 leap rather than the underwhelming PS3 >>> PS4.

[william_cade]

Sea of Thieves is going to look great.

[frostypants]

Specs or go away. Everyone knew a new Xbox was coming. This is a marketing nothingburger.

[Prince-Ali]

Its like they read off of Sony's PS5 announcement briefing loooooool

[antarius]

I’ll get both consoles eventually. If both drop around the same time I’ll get Scarlett since it’s where I do most of my gaming. But.... if HZD 2 is a launch title it may make me rethink which I get first

[-volt-]

None of this impresses me as a PC gamer. We always have the best.

[4U2NV]

Except the main thing - games.

[Tazzy]

Well lets be honest people said Xbox One X was going to do VR and it didn't HoloLens was supposed to support it and it doesn't saying consoles can do things is one thing nothing is official. In 2013 Xbox claimed the Xbox One would do 1080p 60fps and they had PCs with Nvidia graphics cards running the demos then when it released it was called Xbox 720p I'll believe things when I see games running Halo Infinite didn't look good at all.

[Profchaos]

What I am seeing is people jumping on the 4 times more powerful than the X if you listen to the rest of the sentence it's 4 times more powerful from a processing perspective and he's explicitly referencing the amd zen 2 CPU over the Xbox one's mobile based Jaguar CPU which was weak even for 2013

[Kinglink]

... It's Powerful?

Did we watch the same videos? Hell they said it's only 4 times more powerful than the current gen, that's not surprising numbers, and might actually be less than the average (I'm sure someone already has run those numbers).

It's going to be good and probably on par with Sony, but there's 0 numbers, both Sony and Microsoft are talking about Load times, and 8k... but neither are talking any hard stats, and that's likely on purpose. They don't want to/have the numbers to share.

[Xavi4K]

I think they will keep the power crown in the next gen.

[ziggurcat]

perhaps someone needs to inform their team that in order to combine something, it requires two different things - SSD and Solid State Drive are the same thing, so you can't combine that...

[chiefJohn117]

Perhaps someone should buy you a hearing aid

[Mr_Writer85]

As always specs are 3rd

Price and Games are key.

Now this is where Xbox has an advantage, not necessarily in quality, imo Sony games are vastly supirior and in greater number.

But game pass is huge. They add next box games day one to game pass, have a competitive price and specs and I think Xbox will close the gap.

PS5 will still take the lead (BC will mean gamers less likely to jump) but I think the gap will be 15m at absolute most rather than the 40/50m lead this gen.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

LOL ar Xbox having an advantage, sure JAN.

[Mr_Writer85]

@jesus

A well written and thought provoking rebuttle.

You should post more often, we need more people like you in the comments.

[RosweeSon]

And it’s powerful.. according to Xbox

[Max_Eckhardt]

I hope the PS5 is more powerful.

[prankster101]

More powerful than a Nintendo console... Guaranteed!

[Einhander1971]

If that Halo reveal was anything to go by, Microsoft engineers need to go back to the drawing board. Let’s face it all Sony need to do is show the next God of War showing incredible next gen visuals and PS5 has won already:)

[chiefJohn117]

You have no clue what you're talking about. Halo was purposely designed like that due to half the community asking for it.

[Twinblade]

Next xbox will have 10 to 12 tflops

[mogwaii]

The gap will be minimal this gen, I hope Sony release earlier so we can play it first.

[sprinterboy]

You know its been a weak conference games wise when Keanu Reeves coming out is the highlight of the conference over the games with no gameplay being shown.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

So Sony once again is one step ahead of MS, they were smart dropping SSD, Ray tracing took the wind out of MS sails. Sony won e3 and never even showed up.

[Cobra951]

1:51 - "The combination of the SSD and the Solid-State Drive . . ."

I about spit up my coffee.

Silly talking heads aside, that looks like a good match for the PS5, technically anyway. Not surprising. Same APU at the heart of it, similar memory and storage tech. Let's see where they go with it.

[Cobra951]

Edit: Actually, he said SoC, not SSD. What I thought I heard was the most memorable part of that video. Oh well . . .

[jjb1981]

I still feel like a fool for buying the original xbox one day one edition for 499. I have an X now but I wished the Pro and X were the original base editions so that we could actually see and feel a true generational leap. I think Microsoft is waiting for Sony to announce full specs so that they can be the one-up guy next gen. All I care about though really is Cyberpunk 2077. It looks badazz.

[MasterCornholio]

Ok guys he said SOC not SSD. He just slurred it that's all.

Edit: Dang image upload won't work correctly.

https://imgur.com/L922nhI

[SoonDeadByOldAge]

Hmm, as I see it there has never been a better time to switch console and that is only due to the fact that both Sony and MS have stated that we have seen the end of generations meaning your current console will play the new generation of games as well. And as One X has showed resolutions and some extra graphical features doesn’t make a game in any way better, as everyone here is fast to point out, and that means you can keep your current console and still play all the new exclusives for that brand. Get the new generations console from the main competitor and play all old exclusives on the cheap and all new third party games on the new generation.
Of course this only matters if you only have one console per generation which I do. But I can really see myself switching brand seeing that at least one console (old or new, who cares) in my house would be an xbox so I could have Gamepass Ultimate and be covered with games on the PC as well and also the possibility to keep a game going regardless of device I have available. Good times ahead.

[Sm00thNinja]

The shot at the end told the story for me.
It eats monsters for breakfast. Sony was touting the PS5 as a monster. So is Microsoft saying the next Xbox will be more powerful than the PS5? Maybe I'm reading too much into that statement

[chiefJohn117]

The end of the One X story reveal the same dude said "it's a monster" it was a pun to that not ps5

[Sm00thNinja]

Maybe. But Sony did more recently tout that the PS5 was a monster as opposed to the Xbox One X being referred to as a beast. Could go either way.

[chiefJohn117]

Unlikely I didn't see any see any tout of them saying that. The fact you literally have the exact same guy saying "it's a monster" as the very last thing in the vid of the X. Comes back with the follow up for the next console saying "it eats monsters for breakfast" as the very last comment in the video. I think it a safe bet it about the X not ps5. Plus the gap between ps5 and the next Xbox won't be that huge to make such a claim like the X was over previous consoles.

[ziggurcat]

I think it's more revealing when they said it was the most powerful console *they've* ever made, and not the most powerful console ever made.

[Sm00thNinja]

Definitely think you're digging too deep on that one.

[ziggurcat]

C'mon, now... If they knew they had the most powerful next gen console, they would have most certainly trumpeted that they did. There is enough info to glean from what Cerny said to determine the approximate specs of the PS5. They were clearly very careful to word it in such a way to say that it was the most powerful console they've made - they either know it's not more powerful or they are waiting for more definitive PS5 specs to come out.

[Razuel]

my guess service and accessories will define next gen, hardware likely the same.

[IamTylerDurden1]

If Microsoft was confident they would've revealed specs. No teraflops, gbs, clock speed, terabytes, or price point.

[Kassanova07]

GTFO

[Father__Merrin]

There's never been a better time than to switch to console from pc providing you use your pc for games only.

Look at games like god of war spiderman last of us, they are better than games on pc Inc looking better just imagine uncharted on ps5 it will beat visually pc games because its a single closed system and is coded for that console. and xbox games like halo forza on scarlet there's no point in going £500 gpu you may as well have a plug play box that just works.

One thing you won't get is googling "1080ti assassins creed framer ate issues" everything will work out the box. Bring on the next gen.

I was gonna get a vega 56 or 64 but il save up for the next round of consoles instead

[adonisisfree]

It’s looking like maybe 10/11 tflops.. that’s about 4* more powerful than the One X

[mark3214uk]

dont want to watch it again, did ms mention backwards compatibility?