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Michael Pachter Explains Why PS4 And Xbox One Sales Haven’t Slowed Down Yet

Plus the popularity of Fortnite has also had an impact.

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sammarshall1021966d ago (Edited 1966d ago )

The PS4 is about to get a big boost with The Last of Us part 2, Ghost of Tsushima, Day's Gone and Death Stranding there's a ton of other games left too

ApocalypseShadow1966d ago

And PSVR and its games like Astrobot,Firewall, Beat Saber, etc. That has brought in console sales too being that PS4 is the only console provider of VR.

UltraNova1965d ago

So Pachter is privy to Xbox one's sales numbers?

S2Killinit1965d ago

My personal favorite games of the generation: Firewall, and Astro bot.

Babadook71965d ago (Edited 1965d ago )

Psvr is an amazing product. But the chance of it boosting Ps4 sales I think is unlikely.

S2Killinit1965d ago (Edited 1965d ago )

@babadook
I think PSVR has been boosting PlayStation sales from the time it was announced. Anyone who plays Firewall is hooked. Unless they arent FPS fan to begin with. I see this going places. I think the other benefit to PlayStation is that now they can just sit back and wait for MS to introduce a headset for next gen, and then deliver a better more powerful one as PSVR2.

DaDrunkenJester1965d ago

I think PSVR sales are around 3 million right now. That's only about 4% of the player base. And I'd have to assume most of those sales came from previous owners of a PS4. So even if we gave it a generous 1% of new sales because of PSVR we are talking about less than a million. And I'd say that 1% is a pretty generous figure.

S2Killinit1965d ago (Edited 1965d ago )

Except there is also people who buy the console with the hope of playing VR games later. The prospect of being ABLE to play VR should one choose to is also a factor people consider when buying a console.

Not to mention that up until this generation 1 million difference was a big deal in the console install bases. Its only now that 1 million seems insignificant because of PS4s runaway success.

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Jin_Sakai1966d ago

Actually Pachter, PS4 sales did slow down in 2018. The lowest since 2014 acutaully. I’d say sales will drop significantly in 2019 as we approach the end of the generation.

14.41 million in 2014
16.75 million in 2015
18.41 million in 2016
21.20 million in 2017
16.63 million in 2018

S2Killinit1965d ago (Edited 1965d ago )

I think there will be a big spike in sales when TLOU arrives.

timlot1965d ago

Spike in sales by whom? If I was inclined to buy a PS4 because of a game GOW or Spiderman would have pushed me over the edge. Sales here on out will be based on price drops. If it goes to $149 it'll be an impulse purchase.

S2Killinit1965d ago (Edited 1965d ago )

Are you saying nobody will buy more PS4s? Then who is buying the millions of consoles being sold right now? Based on your comments you are not the benchmark of what regular consumers do, as you are very invested in xbone. What do you think people base their “impulse buys” on exactely? I will mark this so we can talk right after TLOU comes out. Ok? I wanna show you something about exclusives.

meganick1965d ago

But wouldn’t you think that most TLOU fans already have a PS4? I don’t really see the sequel driving console sales much at all. But I think the game will sell very well.

S2Killinit1965d ago

Thats true, also when you consider that we are in the 5th year, but there is always people who buy a console specifically to play a certain game, or buy a certain bundle. So yeah i agree with you, but even then people will buy consoles to play big exclusives.

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Razzer1965d ago

PS4 sold 73.6 million as of end of 2017 and 91.6 million as of end of 2018 so that is 18 million sold in 2018. PS4 sold 53.4 million as of end of 2016 so that is increase of 20.2 million in 2017. Still a slowdown but not as much as your numbers would indicate.

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danny8181965d ago

its pretty obvious we will see a a tease or some minor details of the PS5 this year for that very reason. When new hardware is announced sales of older hardware tend to slow down

saint_seya1965d ago

Do you even know how to do maths? 14.41m+16.75m+18.41m+21.20m= 70.77m, 91.6m - 70.77m = 20.83m...go back to school?
Its 20.83 according to those numbers in 2018...

badz1491965d ago (Edited 1965d ago )

@Jin

As @Razzer has replied, Sony announced 73.6mil unit by Dec 2017 and they just announced the 91.6mil numbers by Dec 2018. that's 18mil units sold for 2018. where did you get your 16.63mil numbers from? VGChartz? that site almost always severely undertrack PS numbers

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zsquaresoff1966d ago

We don't know xbone sales number so how can you guess wether they have picked up or slowed down.

Italiano12345671965d ago

The US is there best selling market and we know there numbers through NPD.

ILostMyMind1965d ago

Why do some people believe no one knows this number just because MS does not disclose it to the public? There are many ways to know it or, at least, an approximate number.

NarutoFox1966d ago (Edited 1966d ago )

Hey Patcher how do you know the Xbox sales number?? Hey Patcher do me a favor and just shut up and wait for Microsoft to reveal the sale numbers 😁

YodaCracker1965d ago

https://www.gamereactor.eu/...

“Xbox One sales show the highest growth of the 3 major HW platforms in the US this year, and the Xbox One X in particular has been performing phenomenally.”

l33t_haxx0r1965d ago

In the US its sales are laughable everywhere else in the world apart from the UK so you can stop your stupid little quotes now

Chevalier1965d ago

If your sales are low to begin with any spikes appear bigger than normal. If Xbox sold 10 million last year and increased 2 million for example thats a 20% increase, but, if PS4 sold say 20 million and increased the same amount of units it would only he a 10% increase. But 22 million >>>> 12 million. Thats why hard numbers matter. Percentages are easier to manipulate.

FallenAngel19841966d ago

PS4 sales also reached its peak in 2017 and Xbox One reached its sales peak in 2015.

Sales have been slowing down, just not dramatically

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Trying to push players over from PC to console is a terrible idea, PlayStation

As PlayStation announces its new strategy to encourage PC users to choose PS5 it is a bitter-sweet moment for PC gamers.

Christopher1d 19h ago

I mean, it's a business based on hardware market. Do we expect them to not even try? It's not like Nintendo doesn't do the same by not putting any games on PC and Microsoft until recently did the same. I don't care what they attempt, as long as they don't abuse the community or lie about their goals/requirements.

Will it work? Not likely. Should we care? No. Let them waste their time, it doesn't affect anything.

RaidenBlack1d 19h ago

let them try ... at the end of the day, we get few extra PC games ... yay ... and also promotes game preservation via PC ... so double yay.

LordoftheCritics1d 2h ago

If only Playstation games provided the ease of pc gaming features.

Primary being very few PS games support m/kb.

Christopher19h ago

If only PC games supported controllers more. Main reason I play primarily on console. So many games have shit support on PC. Playing Dark Envoy now, and it's quite frustrating since I have to switch to keyboard during cut scenes just to make sure advancing conversation doesn't also auto-select a decision. Let alone it's quite rough to select between characters and inventory screens are bad bad bad.

Anywho, similar complaints for both I find. But, I 100% agree that both PC and consoles should support both as best as possible.

crazyCoconuts14h ago

PS may push more kb support in the future to get more PC converts, we'll see.

Flewid63813h ago

As someone with a high end PC, I feel like the ease is on PS5. Too many PC games are a troubleshooting nightmare, which few people have the time for when all you want to do is pop in a game & play it.

Yui_Suzumiya5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

I just use an Xbox controller on my laptop for everything 😆 .. I haven't used a keyboard / mouse combo for PC gaming since 1996

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LordoftheCritics18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

I don't think you understand what I mean by the lack of m/kb support on PS.

Over a thousand titles have PS controller support on PC.

Not even 30 titles have m/kb support on PS5.

Once you are done with the single player title, you'll go back to playing your daily shooter/looter/mmo etc which the pc gamer has mastered with their mouse and keyboard.
Why would any pc gamer make the switch?

jznrpg9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

PC is secondary to PlayStation for them. Mouse and keyboard would affect development. Live service will have it but most single player games aren’t going to have it as PC is not the focus

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Fishy Fingers1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

I wish them the best of luck.

But PC players are often a patient bunch, many will even wait for Epic launcher exclusivity to end until a game comes to Steam.

If they didnt buy the console when its games were exclusive, why would they do it now theyre not?

MrNinosan1d 4h ago

Way more do than you probably think.

ravens521d 4h ago

All you need is that one game that'll make a few switch at a time. Like a game a PC player REALLY wants.

porkChop15h ago

It just doesn't work that way though. Plenty of the best games ever made were never available on PC. That didn't make PC gamers buy consoles to play them. This kind of strategy has never worked in the past and it won't work now. It's fine for PS to hold their games back and release on PC later, but to think that will boost console sales is wishful thinking. All this will accomplish is some double dipping, which is obviously good for business.

JackBNimble15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

People aren't going to switch from pc to ps5, why would anyone do that for a game?
Most sony exclusives aren't all that to begin with, and pc has the option to upgrade what they want when they want it. Having access to some ps5 games, gamepass and steam.

Thinking this would happen is naive

outsider16241d ago

I mean if there's 10 million pc gamers out there...getting atleast just 1 million from there is probably a good thing..right?

romulus2322h ago

PC players are not a monolith, I don't know why people keep thinking they speak for the entirety of all PC gamers like they all know each other personally. You think out of the millions of PC gamers not one single person will be impatient?Well Sony is willing to bet there will be. Why would they do it now? People's feelings change and new PC gamers come along all the time that may also feel different about waiting, that's why.

Yui_Suzumiya5h ago

Just like how I'm waiting for Alan Wake II to hit Steam 😆

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-Foxtrot1d 18h ago

PC gamers are just too patient and loyal to their gaming set ups, something they've spent a lot of money on to perfect. They have backlogs of games which many never get round to finishing or get round to at all and will always have other multiplatform releases to keep them going.

Over the many years Sony has published so many awesome titles such as The Last of Us, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Infamous, Killzone, LittleBigPlanet, Dreams, Puppeteer, Resistance, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo, Motor Storm, God of War, Horizon, Ratchet and Clank, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne

If none of those games BEFORE all these PC ports convinced a hardcore PC gamer to get a PS5 console then why on Earth would porting them them to PC now make any difference? All PC gamers now know 100% is that they just have to be patient, which they are good at anyway to get a PS5 game 2 years later.

I get GaaS games or multiplayer focused titles but if people really want to play these games they'd have gotten a PS console years ago.

Crows901d 1h ago

Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer.

Not sure why people are obsessing over his comment...it seems pretty simple to me.

He will do all he can to entice gamers to move to his ecosystem. As you say....exclusives existing hasn't moved many gamers over. But if they get to try them and love the games then they might change their mind about waiting 2 years.

We're in an echo chamber on this site...I've Personally seen people with Xbox and PC setups but no PlayStation. I've also seen people with small PC setups but no console. Not every pc gamer invests thousands and many may decide to put one in the living room.

They're not looking to convince all of players to buy a PlayStation...just a few...and really it is just a PR statement after all...they have to give a reason why single player won't release day 1....not to mention they also have to ensure current PlayStation gamers don't jump ship to PC. It goes both ways and they're ignoring the big L by putting any of their games off their platform.

anast1d ago

"Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer."

Right here

Kakashi Hatake1d ago

PC gamers think tomorrow is promised. Sorry, don't have time for that.

Michiel198923h ago

it's not just about loyalty or sunk cost, pc is an open platform while consoles are closed platforms. If you for example want to mod, you will play on pc, no question about it. Also if you like indie games, steam is a fucking goldmine for that. I've been playing a lot of indie games over the last years and there just seems to be an endless amount of them on steam. Also not having games locked to a certain fps is a prettty big deal for me and I assume a lot of other pc players.

Walalon22h ago

And don't forget steam sales, you can get a ton of games on an awesome price.

badz14913h ago

@Walalon

Sony has been doing sales constantly on the PS Store nowadays.

jznrpg9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

@Walalon Steam sales are basically the same as PS sales. I was going to buy a Steam Deck and I heard about these Steam sales but the games I was interested in were not any cheaper. Indie games were cheap and older AAA were cheap but the same can be said for PS store sales. I didn’t end up getting the Steam Deck as there weren’t any games that I wanted to play that wasn’t already on PS and prices aren’t much different

romulus2321h ago

And how do you know out of the millions of PC gamers that not one single person ever went ahead and bought a PlayStation console for one or more of those games? People keep speaking for the entirety of millions of PC gamers like they know them all personally. Here's one example for you, I'm currently typing on a recently purchased PC that cost me over twenty five hundred dollars and is more than capable of running any game including Sony exclusives that come to PC and yet I still bought a PS5 so apparently I'm not patient or loyal enough to my set up, hope it's not mad at me for not being loyal.

jznrpg9h ago

Some of those people will consider getting a PS5 some wont. I was a PC gamer for a long time and I’m a console only gamer now. Everyone’s different.

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helicoptergirl1d 17h ago

Who cares? Then just stay on PC and play the waiting game. No big deal. Sony wins in the end anyway.

Number1TailzFan1d 17h ago

I mean if there's any single player Sony games that I actually want that aren't on PC then I would buy said console to play them on. But the ones that I like that aren't on PC are few and far between anyway so no loss for me.

If I game, it's usually multiplayer titles, otherwise I like playing around with some other software.

Amplitude19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

Astro Bot is the game that just did it for me. I'm gonna have to grab a PS5 again for that.

I did this for Ratchet Rift Apart too but ended up selling the PS5 after getting my plat. Rebought it on PC and other than GoW Ragnarok and Horizon FW (which eventually I could get anyway), I haven't had a reason to downgrade my graphics, controller features, ease of recording, and increase my game costs and monthly subscriptions throughout this entire generation.

I play on a TV with a controller but this has been the absolute worst console gen for both consoles. Never in my life thought I'd be a PC gamer but I've been spoiled by the cheap costs, cross-platform controllers and mostly the unbelievably useful Steam controller config.

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ARK: Survival Ascended Premium Mods on Consoles Q&A - By 2030, Time Spent on UGC Will Be Way Bigger

ARK: Survival Ascended has introduced Premium Mods on consoles. Wccftech talked to Studio Wildcard and their partner Overwolf about the rising importance of user-generated content, especially for live service games.

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Neil Druckmann clarifies true intent of new Naughty Dog game comments

Following a recent interview with Sony, Naughty Dog head Neil Druckmann claims the original intent was “unfortunately lost” in the process.

just_looken7d ago

He can take dog shit put it in a oven with seasoning then call it waistland cookies the sony fans will pay $40 a cookie give them a medal of cooking.

No mater what trash this sobs puts out/talks about it will sell.

The true fact in the 8 years sense uncharted 4 his first time in the main seat to a point all this "amazing" team did was get 2 dudes to fuck in a van then destroy a franchise they never created.

But being a port studio they are decent at they should keep in there lane at being just that a glorified port studio.

fr0sty7d ago

Salty Bots... gotta love it.

just_looken7d ago

@frosty

Over what? naught dog under his command is a glorified port team tlou2 was mostly tlou 1 asset's with the same game play loop but forced a trans down your throat.

I would gladly help pay for this blight and his team to get removed from gaming in general.

fr0sty7d ago

Seeing a LGBT person exist in a work of fiction isn't "forcing them down your throat". Nobody is forcing you to play it. Nobody is forcing you to agree with it. If you think that just seeing a LGBT person exist is "force", it sounds like they make you very uncomfortable, and maybe you need to be doing some serious reflecting on exactly why... looks to me like you're suppressing something with all that fear.

just_looken7d ago

@fro

When i think of the last of us i think of a group of survivors crossing the apocalypse wasteland with a growing bond between 2 people that end up with Joel making ellie his new daughter.

Then you fire up the 2nd one bang joel is dead oh that comic series? bang dead

Oh you want to continue all that we grew in the first one? na f that toss it in the trash

Now here is a trans woman so strong superboy would blush go out there kill all what made tlou1 then halfway get a forced sex scene that you can not skip between 2 dudes.

The gameplay? just like the first game the combat/backpack system crafting sytem? 0 changes/improvements.

I could go on but lets face it they copy pasted that tlou 1 assets bin a shit ton of times.

There is nothing on the box or the ads or anything before the game that said you would going to spend most of the game controlling a new trans character that has no ties to anything of the first game the only existence was to kill what the first game made.

Oh but hey there is a mp mode coming out before 2022 wait what is that? oh we made it its own game then cancelled it now go but the game again as we port it a few times.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

mkis0077d ago (Edited 7d ago )

What has Straley or Henig released since they left ND? Not a thing! stop scapegoating! Which of them is credited with co-writing a majorly successful show?

just_looken7d ago

@mkis007

You bring up Bruce Straley really? someone that gave us 4 generations of amazing games and was there in the creation of 4 legendary franchises but was tossed in the trash for the pos niel druckmann not 7? years ago

So yeah in those 7? years you right all he has done is get 2 awards one is a game award for a puzzle game he made oh boy right like for fuck sake's all niel has done is one game that was a overhyped fan boy orgasm underneath all that ps jizz was just a typical 5/10 game.

Then you drag Amy Hennig that poor woman was also kicked out then became this century's Brendan Fraser with her sexual misconduct information coming out.

We all know how horrible people are treated behind the scenes she might have been sexual attacked groped or something.

So yeah all she did after was battlefield hardline forspoken now that new marvel 1945 game but hey Brendan Fraser was a great actor till he also said he was sexually attacked just now he is allowed back in no doubt she also had to take a leave of absence out and or was forced out on ice.

Man there are way to many out there that look at niel at the new gaming jesus when all he had done is some work on uncharted 4 then tlou2

Oh also the tvhshow? for real all they did was use stuff from the 2013 game its like saying GOT was a 10/10 but never watching past season 3

-Foxtrot6d ago

@mkis007

That's highly unfair to them both

Amy Hennig got messed around working on projects that got cancelled by the publishers (EA) and then ended up on a awful game (Forspoken) where you had 4 other writers working on it which is just a recipe for disaster. She is now working on Marvel 1943: Rise of Hydra. Not her fault she was pushed out of NaughtyDog, something both Nolan North and Richard McGonagle have both said in interviews.

Bruce Straley left after burn out, the rest of the story we don't know and will never know just like what happened with Amy Hennig. He decided to take a break and wasn't sure if he wanted to come back to gaming however he had an idea he wanted to make so he founded Wildflower Interactive, a smaller studio where they are currently working on a new game.

Tacoboto6d ago

@the obvious stain of a commenter

The trans character wasn't Abby. Try playing Part 2 instead of gatekeeping what you think Part 1 was about and meant.

Maybe try watching the show while you're at it, because you're terribly off with your opinion on that too

MajorLazer6d ago

Naughty Dog is better than all the MS studios put together.

derek6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@just he has been behind 2 of the greatest games ever made. Tlou2 was easily the best non-vr game made last gen. Losers just can't get over Joel's death, mixed with the usual console war nonsense. The fact that you so casually call him a sob shows how deranged some gamers have become about Drunkmann.

derek6d ago

@frosty, for people like Just, including anyone that can be categorized as being a minority in any kind of media is "forcing it down his throat " lol. I to don't care for poor "checking box" inclusion for inclusion sake but that was not the case with tlou2.

fr0sty6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

The pathetic part about it is, you can tell just_looken never even played TLOU, because that was the game where Ellie's sexuality was first brought to light... No "that was forced down our throats" to be said about that.

Only terrified folks in the closet that use their hatred as cover from outing themselves fear LGBT people that much. They exist. They will exist in all aspects of life, including popular media. Get over it.

just_looken6d ago

@all

Once again you drag out something like its a big win

Here is my old channel a clip of me playing TLOU on ps3
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Search my channel for more clips

Proof its my channel? look at this profiles banner that is 7yrs old then look at other vids on that channel like my bf3 clips to see my psn id. But knowing this group that is way to much work.

Also elle being a lesbian is another trump card? one dlc is all we got of that a dlc that took over a year to be tossed out.

Rainbowcookie6d ago

Hey at least we have cookies to eat 😄

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Rangerman12087d ago

Glad he clarified it but i'm still somewhat skeptical. Plus, his comments about how Ai will revolutionize storytelling were still pretty iffy.

anast7d ago

No need to bow down, Stan your ground. The AI comments were gross though.

S2Killinit7d ago

Pretty excited as I read these. I just cant wait to see what ND is up to.

Export7d ago

put a chick in it and make her gay !

shadowknight2037d ago

Next they need a diverse couple, and perhaps some climate activists

StormSnooper6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I would love that if only to piss off all the lunatics. Lol

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