Sony CES 2019 Conferences Images

Sony had an impressive conference for CES 2019 and the PS4 was given plenty of love as well as you can see in the new images from the show.

[UCForce]

Sony is not slowing down this year. Good. Let’s keep that way.

[Garethvk]

They are pushing 8K Televisions heavily as our the other manufacturers.

[UltraNova]

I'd love.me a Master series 8K TV...

[Immorals]

8k is utterly pointless atm. 4k barely has much content

[Garethvk]

So true Immorals. Games cannot do 8K and most TV shows do not film nor broadcast in 8K. It is like having a High-End Sports Car and driving daily in L.A. gridlock.

[ibrake4naps]

I won't ever care for 8k. At some point, enough pixels are enough. Unless it's for VR, where it's a half inch from your peepers...

[S2Killinit]

I remember thinking it couldnt possibly get better than 1080p.

[Ausbo]

8k is about a decade too early

[Butters360]

Kinda disappointing they didn't show off their Crystal LED BRAVIA'S. Beats out their OLED easily.

[Xb1ps4]

I find that hard to believe.. didn’t Sony start making oled tv’s? LED can never get a true black

[Butters360]

Nah, OLED was what Sony was going after when they couldn't perfect Crystal LED back in 2012. Look it up Samsung just unveiled their version this CES. They call theirs MicroLED.

[Xb1ps4]

Ok I looked into it just a little though, trying to keep up with tv tech is a bit frustrating for me. when I was looking into it not long ago before i settled with my lg oled. so I guess what got me was when you said it beats out lg oled easily and it really doesn’t, not yet anyway to make that kind of claim.. there has to be a good reason why Sony didn’t run with it.

The only major benefit I seen was it can get brighter, and at least for me anyway, my tv is plenty bright especially if I put it on vivid. IMO a true black trumps super bright when watching a movie, just my preference.

All the other stuff like “burn in” I don’t care about cause I’ve had mine for a lil over a year now played several hours on it with my x and pro my tv has also broke night several times. I Think lg will have the panel game on lock for quite some time with Apple being the wild card in the panel race that quite honestly is going too fast.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

I've seen ads for a Samsung 8K UHDTV on YouTube. All I can think is Why? 4K has barely penetrated the mass market. I know people that still don't have 1080p televisions yet. The speed at which technology such as this is moving is too fast for the general public, imo.

[paintedgamer1984]

While i agree with you, i think the biggest push will be how much faster devices will adopt 8k vs 4k. Like realistically youtube, phones, cable, streaming devices... all could offer an 8k option in less than 3 years. Im getting the next years lg oled 8k and basically ill only have 2 years or less to wait for content... but ill be ready and most likely with vsync and whatever amazing thing comes next year... im the opposite of the bud light comercial... for the few not the many

[I_am_Batman]

I highly doubt that we'll see any significant 8k content for at least 4-5 years. We're not even there with 4k yet. The majority of last years "4k Blu-ray" movies aren't even native 4k yet. The once that are, are quite heavily compressed. Nobody even invented a physical medium for 8k movies to be viable yet and the digital infrastructure isn't there either. While 5g might solve the bandwidth problem to a degree but data caps will probably still make 8k streaming problematic.

Also even if those problems are solved quicker than I think they'll be solved you'll still be stuck with your HDMI 2.1's 48Gbit/s Meaning your uncompressed 8k (RGB or Y′CBCR 4:4:4) will max out @~50hz for 8bit content and ~40hz for 10bit HDR content.

8k for gaming isn't even worth talking about because it would be a massive waste of recources (4k already arguably is). Going from a 2 MegaPixel framebuffer (1080p) to a 8 Megapixel framebuffer (4k) is a big step already and that's why console manufacturers have implemented tricks like checkerboard rendering to save recources. 8k would represent a 33 Megapixel framebuffer. Even Nvidia is prioritising qualitative rendering improvements like ray-tracing over resolution increses and has implemented DLSS (Deep learning super sampling) to save recources on that aspect.

Youtube creators probably won't be quick to adopt 8k either. It's just a lot more data to handle and the video processing in 4k is taking a lot of processing power already.

All of this will be amplified by the diminishing returns you get from continuing to increase the resolution. We're already facing diminishing returns with 4k meaning that we have to sit very close to a 4k display or have really large screen sizes to get the most out of 4k. The difference to 1080p is big enough though that even if we don't get the most out of 4k, it's clearly a sharper image. With 8k increasing the screen size or reducing the viewing distance introduces new problems. Namely how much of your field of view is taken up by the screen. To get the most out of 8k your TV has to take up 128° of your FOV (meaning a large portion of the screen will be in our peripheral vision). You'd have to go above 64° to even begin to see a difference compared to 4k. To be clear here is an example:

If you get a 70" 8k screen you need to sit closer than 1.35m (4.4') to it or you won't be able to see a difference compared to 4k. To get the most out of it you'd have to get as close as 0.675m or 2.2'. And that is only is true if you have 20/20 vision. If you have imperfect visual acuity these viewing distances will be even shorter.

Here is an interesting article if you are interested in a more detailed breakdown of viewing distances, resolutions and the limit of our eyes: https://www.rtings.com/tv/r...

In my opinion 8k for TV's is mostly unnecessary especially when it comes at such a large opportunity cost. It might be a good thing for VR headsets in the future though.

Sorry for writing down such a wall of text. I got carried away.

[one2thr]

Right, I just recently bought a 4k set, after owning my 1080p set for 10yrs.

And my 1080p is still being used to this day.

[T2X]

Same here! Just upgraded!

[one2thr]

Ayyyy!!!

[EliteComments123]

so you dont want 8k?

[The_Sage]

Personally... I think it's pointless at the moment. There's nothing to feed it, and the difference between 8k and 4k is not really noticeable. A 4k set with good HDR and a true wide color gamut is going to be about the limit of your eye, unless your running 100 inches or better.

[EliteComments123]

who down votes this LOL?

[rainslacker]

It's just the early stages. The high end that some people will pay for. 1080 and 4K started off in much the same way. It'll still be a while before 8K becomes something considered by the mass market, and likely won't even be a mention for the next console generation.

[Gamist2dot0]

I think the need for 8K lies in size of the screen.
1080P - 50 inch or lower
4k - 50 - 75 inch
8k - 85+

[Imortus_san]

Since they move to android all their tv's are pure garbage, crashing, apps dont work and have to unplug the tv from power to restart so the apps run again, for fucks sake, get out of android.

[EliteComments123]

8k isnt pointless for big screen TVs