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Xbox’s Phil Spencer: “High quality and diverse first party is what Xbox deserves”

Reviews for Sony’s God of War came out yesterday and, to little surprise, the game was met with critical acclaim and currently sits at a 95 on Metacritic based on over eighty reviews. It’s been hailed as one of this generation’s greatest games, and it left Xbox fans wondering… where’s theirs?

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Heelix2241d ago (Edited 2241d ago )

"Our hardware took time, our service/platform/BC took time and continuing to grow our 1P will take time. A high quality and diverse 1P (yes, with SP) built the right way is our goal and what our customers deserve. We can have similar results to what we've seen in hw and platform."

I'm curious to see what's in store though.
Maybe more info @E3
I want Xbox to continue to do well and improve.

AspiringProGenji2241d ago

Here the issue with MS:

“our service/platform/BC took time and continuing to grow our 1P will take time.”

Service/4K/BC first, 1st party games last. They got their priorities twisted. Without 1st party content there’s nothing to show off the capabilities of your platform’s features.

Phils once said “you don’t need studios to make good games.” I’m glad that has caught up with him. Next is his downplaying of SP games...

-Foxtrot2241d ago (Edited 2241d ago )

Phil says a lot of things lets be honest and never really delivers. I'm basing it purely off experience now and because I'm someone who learns from past experiences. You can do the same old "bu bu but you really hate Phil Spencer" crap but seriously what do you expect at this rate, he's doing nothing for Microsoft to help them. That's not worthy of praise regardless of the company.

How many times are we honestly going to go through this cheap talk, it's been like 4 years now and he's said on two separate times about how first party games are coming but "they take time" and "we don't want to announce things too early". In the end it's just BS talk to sting people along, then in a few years he'll say the same thing. Rinse and repeat.

These kind of articles always come up mostly when Nintendo or Sony are releasing a big game which has done well in reviews. It comes across like "Shit...first party single player games have done it again, all eyes are on us, lets say something quick"

I mean lets be honest every time he does say something it's what people want to hear...then you pause for a second and think "hang on a cotton picking minute, if you actually believe this then why haven't you done it?"

RpgSama2241d ago

“our service/platform/BC took time and continuing to grow our 1P will take time"

They've been in the home videogame console business since November 15, 2001, but I guess they need more time to grow their 1P /S

Eldyraen2241d ago

You realize they’re listed that way based on what is “done” or at least well received (online service) first and then what is next on the roster?

I agree the games should be first, but Xbox arguably has the better online service still, Game Pass and Play Anywhere are both incredible, etc. Full BC going forward for both One games and older 360/OG One games will be fantastic on next gen systems as well.

Now they basically have the one thing they need most to really work on: the games. Which sadly they should have worked on much sooner as well. So they better nail that between now and next gen as X proves they can nail the hardware but they need to support it and their services with the games that we deserve.

Im also hoping e3 proves their point on going back to first party focus somewhat, even if most probably won’t be ready for a while. Or good second/third but exclusive even (as Fable reboot is rumored to be by Horizon’s second team—they’re not owned by MS but very close ties).

stokedAF2241d ago

You really don’t need studios to make good games. They have worked very well as a publisher in the past. The beginning of the 360 had amazing 3rd party exclusives. The problem is that they don’t have first or 3rd party exclusives anymore lol.

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blitz06232241d ago (Edited 2241d ago )

1st Party games were never a priority with MS. Phil is just spouting this nonsense to appease people. Their one and only priority is to transition Xbox to a software service platform that is found in every home. They're trying to be the Netflix of video games

Aceman182241d ago

I'm tired of Phil's double talk, and until they can actually back up the BS he spews I ain't buying what he says and I definitely not jumping back in on that console.

M$ is put up or shut up time this E3 if you want my $$$$$ again.

neutralgamer19922241d ago

aspiring

phil is the king of PR people right before E3 him and major nelson will talk a big game

what we do know at this year's E3 sony will have:

spiderman
days gone
the last of us 2 demo
death stranding gameplay
kingdom hearts 3
possibily a new title similar to dark souls/blood borne
sucker punche's new IP(which has been in development for over 4 years)
yakuza kiwame 2

we could get a trailer for shenmue 3
we could get a blockbuster announcement of another PS classic remake by bluepoint

for ms to have a decent chance at a E3 where their brand could gain some momentum they have to bring their A++++++ game otherwise sony is going for the mortal kombat style finisher

Bobafret2241d ago

They listened way too much to the internet chatter about the power differences between Xbox One and Ps4, and bet largely on that. This is why they are in this calamity. If you are constantly reacting to your opponent then you have already lost.

darthv722241d ago

@genji, you make it seem like MS has to do the same thing the others do but in fact they do not. Therefore you don't know if their priorities are twisted. You say that based on comparing them to the others and, while I get that reasoning, you must also consider they are doing things how they want to do them.

It may not jive with how we want them, and it will come back to bite them in the ass, but it is their decisions to make.

TheCommentator2241d ago

"Next is his downplaying of SP games..."

Next is try reading his tweet, where Phil specifically highlighted the need for single player experiences:

https://twitter.com/XboxP3/...

rainslacker2241d ago

@darth

Except Phil is legitimizing the fact that people's complaints are valid, and they don't have any real response except to say that it takes time. This isn't some kind of assumption, it's an admittance by Spencer that they don't have what they know people seem to want. That they dicked around when they had something to offer, and spent years promoting things that weren't important.

If he believes that the Xbox player base "deserves" these kinds of things, then he should deliver them, not deliver things that they aren't actually asking for. BC, Play Anywhere, X1X, GaaS. None of these things were things people were asking for in droves. They were, and always have, asked for games. Even when MS had them, they still wanted more. It's only in the last couple years that people have become content with MS output.

Phil's been saying for years that he wanted more of these things for Xbox. 3 years later, and he's still only promising, and still only delivering on things that his predecessors started. Is it really that hard to just give a taste of what they're working on if they are really working on something. Pride of not announcing too early isn't a good enough excuse anymore....and the notion that people wanted them to wait until closer to release wasn't even something their fan base was really asking for either.

MS is great at delivering on things no one really asks for. But all spencer seems capable of doing is talking about the things that people actually do want.

OC_MurphysLaw2241d ago

Xbox has to deliver some kind of solid road-map for 1st party / exclusive games at E3. They need both games announced for this 2nd half of year and for 2019 that are beyond just the expected sequels to Gears, Forza and Halo. I think many of the bets MS laid over the past years didn't pan out or just flat out got canned and that really took a toll on their current road-map. MS was forced to really double down on services and hardware because they knew there was a big hole in their software road-map coming with the delays & cancellations they made. That is poor management, and yes Phil needs to own it but also do something about it and show its more than lip service now. E3 really feels like a make or break moment for MS with this generation. And I mean that not in a "they can still win this gen" (they can't / won't win it...its Sony's) but in a way of "they can finish strong this gen" if gamer's can see a brighter future for games to what has been there the past year and a half or so for first party/exclusive games.

blackblades2241d ago

Phils once said “you don’t need studios to make good games.” Wow! he really said that

UltraNova2241d ago

Gotta love the timing on these "comments"...

LordJamar2241d ago

100% positive thats out pf context.

bouzebbal2240d ago

We just got the PR moment of the weekend..
Tomorrow everything back to normal.

GrubsterBeater2240d ago

It seems almost as though XBox fans defending MS at every turn, while pretending to be content with MS' s game offering just to not deal with "I told you so's" from Sony fans has bit them in the ass. MS keeps seeing XBox fans praising all these draconian policies, PR, "single player games aren't important", etc., and not Spencer is like "cool, this is what they want, and they are happy with what we are giving them, so let's keep up with GaaS, Forzas, etc.

While I'm not saying it's the reason this is all happening, it does lead one to wonder if all the blind loyalty, pretending to be happy with the lack of games, etc, is a factor in why they are continuing down this off route for gaming.

IamTylerDurden12240d ago (Edited 2240d ago )

And Phil's downplaying and criticism of sp games is coming back to bite him. Since his comments games like Horizon, BotW, Super Mario Odyssey, SotC, and now God of War have done exceptionally well. Yakuza 6 hits this month, Detroit in May, and everyone is hyped over Spider-man. Phil miscalculated when he dismissed sp games. Just look how Sony's sp game God of War is a bout to dismantle Xbox's GaaS game Sea of Thieves.

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RpgSama2241d ago (Edited 2241d ago )

He always says the right things, is the follow through with what he says that's the issue, MS has been in the home console business since 2001, how much more time do they need?

Rachel_Alucard2241d ago

Theyve had plenty of time they just minimize risks like crazy. Anything that doesn't pull Halo or Gears numbers never gets a sequel or gets forgotten. They drop good IPs like flies and never invest in well received games, only if they sell well. Crimson skies, voodoo vince, mechassault, and many, many others are stuck in the forgotten realm of IPs MS ditched once the 360 released. They've turned almost every IP they have ownership over into a service game rather then a one off single player experience with no bull like Shadow of the Colossus or God of War because thats not profitable for them. They've failed to see the repricussions of their actions and now nobody wants to be associated with them. Consumer and developer alike.

Omnislashver362241d ago (Edited 2241d ago )

Eh, Xbox can't build a studio or nurture an IP. Lionshead, Mistwalker, and Platinum all had new or continuing IPs that got cancelled. Let's be honest, if Scalebound didn't look like the MC was comprised of Mountain Dew, Doritos, Vaping, and Dubstep it could have been the next Drakengard for instance. That was something worth investing in big-time, if MS would have just changed a few parameters- EVEN if it went to X2 it could have been an awesome game.

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fiveby92240d ago

I am surely a Playstation fan and owner. I also own an X1. My first Xbox ever. I also hope MS improves though. I don't think it serves the gaming world well if they were to exit. Not that I think they are planning an exit. I think the opposite. Although perhaps another company would fill that void if they did. But looking at MS it sometimes feels like they are so risk averse that they make creative decisions based on financial metrics alone. Phil's comment on SP games being risky and less profitable was enlightening. Why can't MS and other's do both? SP games with great stories provide a 'soul' for the product. They create emotional attachments to a product and thus brand loyalty. MP games are less apt to provide that connection. Perhaps MP GaaS offerings make more money but they don't drive brand loyalty as much. MS can and should do better. I'd only change Phil's comments to 'High quality and a diverse first party is what Xbox FANS deserve'. It's the fans who deserve it. They're making strides but XBox still feels a bit soulless.

Rachel_Alucard2240d ago (Edited 2240d ago )

@gamerzero

And that happens when Japanese developers don't make games for it. They failed in the Japanese market from the get go so 3 things occurred.

1. Japanese developers don't make games for it since Japanese people aren't buying it
2. Western players who like japanese games don't buy it since all those games they want are on Playstation and switch
3. The only audience left playing on the Xbox are western players who either do not like Japanese games or are indifferent or biased. Anyone who's positive towards those games would've just bought a PlayStation anyway.

Failing that market set off a chain of events that affects more then just sales in the region.

Omnislashver362239d ago (Edited 2239d ago )

@gamerzero

It's stuff that nobody wanted in the game. And MH isn't selling on Xbox because PS owners have no incentive to buy one! It requires more than a single game, and a trio like Scalebound, Mistwalker, and Fable is a good start to get some of the RPG fanatics from PlayStation...

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crazyCoconuts2241d ago

I'm with @Foxtrot. Timing of these articles is so transparent. PR at it's finest...

lelo2play2241d ago

Phil Spencer is all talk... but very little to show for.

SuperSonic912241d ago

Like Sol Badguy said " All Show But No Go.

Kryptix2241d ago

Everything takes time, but it takes more when you mismanage and fail to optimize.

"We can have similar results to what we've seen in hw and platform"

He's blatantly saying that they can, but they haven't even started doing it yet which is a shame for those who waited for the Xbox One X and have to wait for more, or may I say more E3s, the true long running joke.

Bruh2241d ago

You won't see sh*t, if anything maybe for next-generation, but for Xbox, this cycle is done and they're only gonna try and wrap up their franchises for existing story lines and push for next-gen soon.

spwittbold2241d ago

To say Phil has done nothing for Xbox is shortsighted. Sure, he hasn't quite delivered in the manner most of us want, in terms of 1P - and I too am getting tired of all the promises. However, from where Xbox was, he has thus far: 1) Moved focus away from Xbox being a "media center," with Kinect and the TV integration garbage 2) Driven the Play Anywhere - PC or Xbox if you have them, which is great for me and I'm sure alot of others 3) The BC is pretty god damn sweet - this is the one thing Sony is annoying AF on....Microsoft is updating last gen games - for free - to look famazing which is an A+ instead of "remastering," and then "reselling" them to us when we a

generic-user-name2241d ago

I feel like anyone would have done a better job than Mattrick, Phil is all talk. If backwards compatibility putting xbox exclusives on PC is all he has done, then he hasn't done much.

CP_Company2241d ago

BC is matrick baby and not spencers. So i don't understand why someone trying to mislead public and give a credit to a wrong man.

RandoCommenter2241d ago

Microsoft’s in desperation mode that is the ONLY reason they’re being consumer friendly. Don’t forget that. While Sony is on top & they’re still cranking out AAA single player games left & right. I have both XBone & PS4. XBone literally just sits in my trunk/coffee table until I have a hankering to play Dead Space from last gen or Quantum Break. Microsoft continues to deliver way too rarely. It’s very disappointing.

shuvam092241d ago (Edited 2241d ago )

I don't understand his statement...
The hardware was stellar from the very beginning (from OG XBox to XB1X, barring XB1), so were their services/platform/BC...
What time taking process is he talking about???
If I know right, their priorities have gone backward since inception...
OG XBox and the 360 had some amazing exclusives...
They faltered from the beginning with XB1...
And with the push for Cloud and GaaS, it's hard to believe him going back to the roots...
They are going the MS way rather than going the XBox way...
With Nadella at the helm, he would rather use XBox to push the Windows ecosystem rather than reviving the XBox brand...

Don't get me wrong...
I want to see a healthy competition between all the hardware manufactures...
It's just that I don't see the signs from MS yet, nor am I expecting it to change in a positive way...

YOUDIEMOFO2241d ago

Games presented at E3 are going to be years off. I'm sorry, but MS just might be done....

I'm pretty pissed at my X purchase as of right now. Especially since sea of thieves is sick joke!! I was really looking to something big with that game....

TheKingKratos2240d ago (Edited 2240d ago )

Phill, shut the f up please
You are all talk and nothing else

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2240d ago (Edited 2240d ago )

Phil needs to stop talking about high quality games and start making them. Unfortunately, I don't think the suits are going to allow Microsoft's remaining studios to have creative freedom like Sony does with their developers. I just think they have the ability to do so much better only if the suits would allow Spencer to run Xbox gaming without interference.

butchertroll2240d ago

We believe in Phil, right?

Let's see what Phil said....
2013
Microsoft investing $1 billion into games on Xbox One
https://www.engadget.com/20...
"Microsoft Studios boss Phil Spencer told OXM Rare is returning to one of its older franchises (Killer Instinct, anyone?) and Black Tusk Studios is hard at work on Microsoft's next big franchise. Lift London is working on smaller cloud-based games, while Microsoft Studios Osaka has a project under way - something Don Mattrick says will illustrate how Microsoft is "committed" to Japan. Finally, Press Play and Twisted Pixel are in Microsoft's bullpen, working on "weird, unique" games for Xbox Live."

2014
Xbox boss would rather invest in first-party exclusives than Street Fighter V
https://arstechnica.com/gam...

2015
At E3, Phil Spencer wants to focus on first-party and exclusive Xbox games
https://www.polygon.com/201...

"I really focussed on our first-party investment, and you see it showing up in 2015 and 2016."
https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

2016
"I’m sure Last Guardian, when it ships this year, will be great, but I just look at the lineup and the quantity and the quality that our team’s been shipping and I feel really good about that."
http://www.playstationlifes...

2017
Phil Spencer: "Microsoft is committed to growing first-party Xbox content and studios"
https://www.windowscentral....

Let's play a game : Phil says.....a lot of things.

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Nyxus2241d ago (Edited 2241d ago )

Sounds good, but the way he talks about it makes it sound as if it's still a ways off...

RpgSama2241d ago

They're always about the future when talking about games, Phil Spencer makes it sound as if this wasn't the third Microsoft console generation, but their first foray into consoles, they have been in this business since November 15, 2001, how much more time do they need?

S2Killinit2241d ago

Thats all i hear from MS, verbage, no game news comes out, just vague or broad statements and adjectives (“huge, big” etc.) but no game news. Why not talk about a game youre working on right now?

Eldyraen2241d ago

Unfortunately. Fable rumor is likely 1-2 off even if it’s real. If the Horizon second team is true since they’re still hiring key positions there. So hopefully they can get a couple out before next gen but probably not many new ones yet.

NeoGamer2322241d ago

Yes, it is probably at least 2019.

Sony has been developing the new GoW since 2014. That is after the story and idea. So, probably started in 2013.

Phil spent the first two years to 2016 cleaning up crap. So assuming 4 years in devt is what it takes for a 95+ metacritic SP game. We are looking at 2019 at the earliest and more likely 2020.

KickSpinFilter2241d ago

But that's probably the end of this generation in 2020 or at least for Sony. 2013 is when they both launched, I'm sorry but by this time there should be an overflow of well scored exclusive games. That's just not the case with MS. Ya at the start of a console life you expect it to be a little barren as developers are ramping up with final console specs. (excluding Switch).

kneon2241d ago

That's 4 years only if you already have a studio capable of that level of quality, getting a studio to that level can take a decade or more. Most never get there.

Bruh2241d ago

People at this point really don't understand that Microsoft gives NO SH*TS about this generation anymore? For this company the most important part is the bottom line and as they know they lost, for them its about trying to just earn some good user base love ( B.C, other software related features) and pushing into next gen

LordJamar2241d ago

So what if it is? Just get angry like the rest call him a lier and get a sony box

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AizenSosuke2241d ago

Sounds good but please deliver and please follow your word if not that's a bunch of BS.

fiveby92241d ago

We shall see what MS promises and what they deliver. I’d be happy to see them bolster their offering with some new / strong first party produced games but that takes years to cultivate. GaaS can’t be your only strategy. A platform holder needs a diverse robust games lineup. At this point it’s Sony who has done the best overall job. MS needs to step up or they’ll risk slowly fading away. I think their customers have been more than patient.

AspiringProGenji2241d ago (Edited 2241d ago )

That’s the problem witb Xbox: talk talk talk, then always asking for more time when things don’t end up well. What happened to the 1 billion investment in games? The cloud?

SuperSaiyanGod412241d ago

I think time is not the issue, it's more being confident in your new IP and not throwing in the towel after it's first outing because of bad sales, u build on it and make it even better in the next outing and the fanbase starts to grow with each outing.

Rude-ro2241d ago

That is kind of Microsoft’s delima..
Not a bash, but every ip they bought a studio for, and now they do not work there. Not all obviously, but all their risk ips from yore.
They rely on what they will spend money on per marketing. So if it failed in sales, they no longer see the desire to spend money on both the game and the marketing.
They need to become a gaming company and stop focusing on what they can market.

KickSpinFilter2241d ago

First good example of cloud computing is the ocean in Sea of Thief's (no matter what you think of the game)

AspiringProGenji2241d ago

And there’s barely anything to do in that ocean. Gues that tech isn’t anything game changing then

badz1492240d ago

in 2013 they said...

https://www.vg247.com/2013/...

and 3 years later...

http://www.techtimes.com/ar...

now, even 50mil is looking very distant for them before next gen starts, hopefully, in 2020

Bhai2240d ago

Oh the cloudy dreams... the delusions hahaha ... that shows how disconnected and distant the whole xb team is from gaming reality :O

TheNextGeneration2241d ago

He’s right in the sense that they have delivered on other fronts and they’re beating Sony in some of those areas but Sony has run away with the games race and its time Microsoft turn talk into action, show us the games!!

xX-oldboy-Xx2241d ago

But they assured their fanbase that they had invested heavily into xbox exclusive 1st and 2nd party. When will the yearly rhetoric without results be enough for xbox owners, xbox owners are a resilient, loyal and faithful bunch.

The_Jackel2241d ago

dont forget to add dumb as fuck too.... for obvious reasons in your comment

AlphaCentyros2241d ago

I used to be a 360 fan though. Really glad I realised MS lost their passion for high quality games a long time ago. Switching to PS was the best decision I ever made.

LordJamar2241d ago

Not every one is a angry fanboy intent on selling there console cause "no games"

Pastemaniak2241d ago

Yeah, how ironic that "Sony has run away with the games race" in a games business. In this moment, Xbox has the same personality than a Nvidia Shield. It's more obvious every day that they're just hardware manufacturers.

Seafort2241d ago

Microsoft aren't hardware manufacturers at all though. They have always been a software development studio but not with games but corporate programs like Office or Windows Server and still are to this day. That's where they make most of their money.

The Xbox division is just a small part of what Microsoft is. They don't seem to have any passion for making games for their console or want to invest in it in case it fails. They've always had one foot out the door so they can run at the first chance of failure.

It's coming to the stage where MS needs to put up or get out of the games industry as they are not investing in their console and the customer will lose out in the long run with their dithering and lack of commitment.

It's been 17 years since they first got involved in the console industry and what do they have to show for it? Hardly any first party studios and no real top tier games apart from Forza. Gears and Halo is going down the drain and wasn't even theirs in the first place. They just bought the IP from 2nd/3rd party studios.

Coming back to the PC was a mistake as well. We didn't ask them to return and produce a lacklustre games platform with Windows Store as it's an Xbox and app store really. Just retrofitted to include PC games.

Microsoft needs to decide where they want to invest and do it. Stop with the half hearted commitments and shut down parts of the company that isn't working out. If that is Xbox then so be it then at least their customers know where they priorities lie.

KickSpinFilter2241d ago

I think MS might be in for a unpleasant surprise next gen. If Sony comes out with PS4 BC at the start of the PS5 in 2020, at $449.99 or less, with TLOU2 compatible to both PS4 & PS5 on one disk at launch MS might see them self in second place again. But if Sony comes in all cocky at $500, no BC and no Major exclusives at launch might look really different landscape. MS is pretty much were Sony was 2 years left of this gen, what cha gonna do? Hold all major games back till launch of XB2 or win some kudos by launching an Epic IP's near the end of XB1 to pay forward to the new gen.

DarkZane2241d ago

Yeah, that won't matter. The 360 launched a year earlier and $100 cheaper and it didn't matter. If the 360, which was Microsoft at their best, couldn't beat the PS3, which was Sony at their worst, it's pretty obvious Microsoft is never gonna win no matter what they do.

Even if everything you just said happens, the PS5 will still win by a huge margin. Microsoft simply doesn't have the resources to compete here. Their console only has appeal in the US and limited appeal in UK, while Sony and Nintendo have worldwide appeal. Microsoft are literally fighting a war that they can't win even if they have every advantages.

Chevalier2241d ago

Forget 2nd place. With Nintendo around its more like 3rd place. Customers don't care about generations. Nintendo is set to destroy Xbox NOW.

LordJamar2241d ago

Highly doubt ps5 will be 500$

Chevalier2241d ago

Gee its not that big a deal. Its ONLY a GAME console. Why would anyone want GAMES for their GAME console......

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Trying to push players over from PC to console is a terrible idea, PlayStation

As PlayStation announces its new strategy to encourage PC users to choose PS5 it is a bitter-sweet moment for PC gamers.

Christopher1d 20h ago

I mean, it's a business based on hardware market. Do we expect them to not even try? It's not like Nintendo doesn't do the same by not putting any games on PC and Microsoft until recently did the same. I don't care what they attempt, as long as they don't abuse the community or lie about their goals/requirements.

Will it work? Not likely. Should we care? No. Let them waste their time, it doesn't affect anything.

RaidenBlack1d 20h ago

let them try ... at the end of the day, we get few extra PC games ... yay ... and also promotes game preservation via PC ... so double yay.

LordoftheCritics1d 3h ago

If only Playstation games provided the ease of pc gaming features.

Primary being very few PS games support m/kb.

Christopher20h ago

If only PC games supported controllers more. Main reason I play primarily on console. So many games have shit support on PC. Playing Dark Envoy now, and it's quite frustrating since I have to switch to keyboard during cut scenes just to make sure advancing conversation doesn't also auto-select a decision. Let alone it's quite rough to select between characters and inventory screens are bad bad bad.

Anywho, similar complaints for both I find. But, I 100% agree that both PC and consoles should support both as best as possible.

crazyCoconuts15h ago

PS may push more kb support in the future to get more PC converts, we'll see.

Flewid63814h ago

As someone with a high end PC, I feel like the ease is on PS5. Too many PC games are a troubleshooting nightmare, which few people have the time for when all you want to do is pop in a game & play it.

Yui_Suzumiya7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

I just use an Xbox controller on my laptop for everything 😆 .. I haven't used a keyboard / mouse combo for PC gaming since 1996

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LordoftheCritics19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

I don't think you understand what I mean by the lack of m/kb support on PS.

Over a thousand titles have PS controller support on PC.

Not even 30 titles have m/kb support on PS5.

Once you are done with the single player title, you'll go back to playing your daily shooter/looter/mmo etc which the pc gamer has mastered with their mouse and keyboard.
Why would any pc gamer make the switch?

jznrpg10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

PC is secondary to PlayStation for them. Mouse and keyboard would affect development. Live service will have it but most single player games aren’t going to have it as PC is not the focus

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Fishy Fingers1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

I wish them the best of luck.

But PC players are often a patient bunch, many will even wait for Epic launcher exclusivity to end until a game comes to Steam.

If they didnt buy the console when its games were exclusive, why would they do it now theyre not?

MrNinosan1d 5h ago

Way more do than you probably think.

ravens521d 5h ago

All you need is that one game that'll make a few switch at a time. Like a game a PC player REALLY wants.

porkChop16h ago

It just doesn't work that way though. Plenty of the best games ever made were never available on PC. That didn't make PC gamers buy consoles to play them. This kind of strategy has never worked in the past and it won't work now. It's fine for PS to hold their games back and release on PC later, but to think that will boost console sales is wishful thinking. All this will accomplish is some double dipping, which is obviously good for business.

JackBNimble16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

People aren't going to switch from pc to ps5, why would anyone do that for a game?
Most sony exclusives aren't all that to begin with, and pc has the option to upgrade what they want when they want it. Having access to some ps5 games, gamepass and steam.

Thinking this would happen is naive

outsider16241d 1h ago

I mean if there's 10 million pc gamers out there...getting atleast just 1 million from there is probably a good thing..right?

romulus2323h ago

PC players are not a monolith, I don't know why people keep thinking they speak for the entirety of all PC gamers like they all know each other personally. You think out of the millions of PC gamers not one single person will be impatient?Well Sony is willing to bet there will be. Why would they do it now? People's feelings change and new PC gamers come along all the time that may also feel different about waiting, that's why.

Yui_Suzumiya7h ago

Just like how I'm waiting for Alan Wake II to hit Steam 😆

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-Foxtrot1d 19h ago

PC gamers are just too patient and loyal to their gaming set ups, something they've spent a lot of money on to perfect. They have backlogs of games which many never get round to finishing or get round to at all and will always have other multiplatform releases to keep them going.

Over the many years Sony has published so many awesome titles such as The Last of Us, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Infamous, Killzone, LittleBigPlanet, Dreams, Puppeteer, Resistance, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo, Motor Storm, God of War, Horizon, Ratchet and Clank, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne

If none of those games BEFORE all these PC ports convinced a hardcore PC gamer to get a PS5 console then why on Earth would porting them them to PC now make any difference? All PC gamers now know 100% is that they just have to be patient, which they are good at anyway to get a PS5 game 2 years later.

I get GaaS games or multiplayer focused titles but if people really want to play these games they'd have gotten a PS console years ago.

Crows901d 2h ago

Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer.

Not sure why people are obsessing over his comment...it seems pretty simple to me.

He will do all he can to entice gamers to move to his ecosystem. As you say....exclusives existing hasn't moved many gamers over. But if they get to try them and love the games then they might change their mind about waiting 2 years.

We're in an echo chamber on this site...I've Personally seen people with Xbox and PC setups but no PlayStation. I've also seen people with small PC setups but no console. Not every pc gamer invests thousands and many may decide to put one in the living room.

They're not looking to convince all of players to buy a PlayStation...just a few...and really it is just a PR statement after all...they have to give a reason why single player won't release day 1....not to mention they also have to ensure current PlayStation gamers don't jump ship to PC. It goes both ways and they're ignoring the big L by putting any of their games off their platform.

anast1d 1h ago

"Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer."

Right here

Kakashi Hatake1d 2h ago

PC gamers think tomorrow is promised. Sorry, don't have time for that.

Michiel19891d ago

it's not just about loyalty or sunk cost, pc is an open platform while consoles are closed platforms. If you for example want to mod, you will play on pc, no question about it. Also if you like indie games, steam is a fucking goldmine for that. I've been playing a lot of indie games over the last years and there just seems to be an endless amount of them on steam. Also not having games locked to a certain fps is a prettty big deal for me and I assume a lot of other pc players.

Walalon23h ago

And don't forget steam sales, you can get a ton of games on an awesome price.

badz14914h ago

@Walalon

Sony has been doing sales constantly on the PS Store nowadays.

jznrpg10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

@Walalon Steam sales are basically the same as PS sales. I was going to buy a Steam Deck and I heard about these Steam sales but the games I was interested in were not any cheaper. Indie games were cheap and older AAA were cheap but the same can be said for PS store sales. I didn’t end up getting the Steam Deck as there weren’t any games that I wanted to play that wasn’t already on PS and prices aren’t much different

romulus2323h ago

And how do you know out of the millions of PC gamers that not one single person ever went ahead and bought a PlayStation console for one or more of those games? People keep speaking for the entirety of millions of PC gamers like they know them all personally. Here's one example for you, I'm currently typing on a recently purchased PC that cost me over twenty five hundred dollars and is more than capable of running any game including Sony exclusives that come to PC and yet I still bought a PS5 so apparently I'm not patient or loyal enough to my set up, hope it's not mad at me for not being loyal.

jznrpg10h ago

Some of those people will consider getting a PS5 some wont. I was a PC gamer for a long time and I’m a console only gamer now. Everyone’s different.

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helicoptergirl1d 19h ago

Who cares? Then just stay on PC and play the waiting game. No big deal. Sony wins in the end anyway.

Number1TailzFan1d 19h ago

I mean if there's any single player Sony games that I actually want that aren't on PC then I would buy said console to play them on. But the ones that I like that aren't on PC are few and far between anyway so no loss for me.

If I game, it's usually multiplayer titles, otherwise I like playing around with some other software.

Amplitude20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

Astro Bot is the game that just did it for me. I'm gonna have to grab a PS5 again for that.

I did this for Ratchet Rift Apart too but ended up selling the PS5 after getting my plat. Rebought it on PC and other than GoW Ragnarok and Horizon FW (which eventually I could get anyway), I haven't had a reason to downgrade my graphics, controller features, ease of recording, and increase my game costs and monthly subscriptions throughout this entire generation.

I play on a TV with a controller but this has been the absolute worst console gen for both consoles. Never in my life thought I'd be a PC gamer but I've been spoiled by the cheap costs, cross-platform controllers and mostly the unbelievably useful Steam controller config.

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Following a recent interview with Sony, Naughty Dog head Neil Druckmann claims the original intent was “unfortunately lost” in the process.

just_looken7d ago

He can take dog shit put it in a oven with seasoning then call it waistland cookies the sony fans will pay $40 a cookie give them a medal of cooking.

No mater what trash this sobs puts out/talks about it will sell.

The true fact in the 8 years sense uncharted 4 his first time in the main seat to a point all this "amazing" team did was get 2 dudes to fuck in a van then destroy a franchise they never created.

But being a port studio they are decent at they should keep in there lane at being just that a glorified port studio.

fr0sty7d ago

Salty Bots... gotta love it.

just_looken7d ago

@frosty

Over what? naught dog under his command is a glorified port team tlou2 was mostly tlou 1 asset's with the same game play loop but forced a trans down your throat.

I would gladly help pay for this blight and his team to get removed from gaming in general.

fr0sty7d ago

Seeing a LGBT person exist in a work of fiction isn't "forcing them down your throat". Nobody is forcing you to play it. Nobody is forcing you to agree with it. If you think that just seeing a LGBT person exist is "force", it sounds like they make you very uncomfortable, and maybe you need to be doing some serious reflecting on exactly why... looks to me like you're suppressing something with all that fear.

just_looken7d ago

@fro

When i think of the last of us i think of a group of survivors crossing the apocalypse wasteland with a growing bond between 2 people that end up with Joel making ellie his new daughter.

Then you fire up the 2nd one bang joel is dead oh that comic series? bang dead

Oh you want to continue all that we grew in the first one? na f that toss it in the trash

Now here is a trans woman so strong superboy would blush go out there kill all what made tlou1 then halfway get a forced sex scene that you can not skip between 2 dudes.

The gameplay? just like the first game the combat/backpack system crafting sytem? 0 changes/improvements.

I could go on but lets face it they copy pasted that tlou 1 assets bin a shit ton of times.

There is nothing on the box or the ads or anything before the game that said you would going to spend most of the game controlling a new trans character that has no ties to anything of the first game the only existence was to kill what the first game made.

Oh but hey there is a mp mode coming out before 2022 wait what is that? oh we made it its own game then cancelled it now go but the game again as we port it a few times.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

mkis0077d ago (Edited 7d ago )

What has Straley or Henig released since they left ND? Not a thing! stop scapegoating! Which of them is credited with co-writing a majorly successful show?

just_looken7d ago

@mkis007

You bring up Bruce Straley really? someone that gave us 4 generations of amazing games and was there in the creation of 4 legendary franchises but was tossed in the trash for the pos niel druckmann not 7? years ago

So yeah in those 7? years you right all he has done is get 2 awards one is a game award for a puzzle game he made oh boy right like for fuck sake's all niel has done is one game that was a overhyped fan boy orgasm underneath all that ps jizz was just a typical 5/10 game.

Then you drag Amy Hennig that poor woman was also kicked out then became this century's Brendan Fraser with her sexual misconduct information coming out.

We all know how horrible people are treated behind the scenes she might have been sexual attacked groped or something.

So yeah all she did after was battlefield hardline forspoken now that new marvel 1945 game but hey Brendan Fraser was a great actor till he also said he was sexually attacked just now he is allowed back in no doubt she also had to take a leave of absence out and or was forced out on ice.

Man there are way to many out there that look at niel at the new gaming jesus when all he had done is some work on uncharted 4 then tlou2

Oh also the tvhshow? for real all they did was use stuff from the 2013 game its like saying GOT was a 10/10 but never watching past season 3

-Foxtrot7d ago

@mkis007

That's highly unfair to them both

Amy Hennig got messed around working on projects that got cancelled by the publishers (EA) and then ended up on a awful game (Forspoken) where you had 4 other writers working on it which is just a recipe for disaster. She is now working on Marvel 1943: Rise of Hydra. Not her fault she was pushed out of NaughtyDog, something both Nolan North and Richard McGonagle have both said in interviews.

Bruce Straley left after burn out, the rest of the story we don't know and will never know just like what happened with Amy Hennig. He decided to take a break and wasn't sure if he wanted to come back to gaming however he had an idea he wanted to make so he founded Wildflower Interactive, a smaller studio where they are currently working on a new game.

Tacoboto6d ago

@the obvious stain of a commenter

The trans character wasn't Abby. Try playing Part 2 instead of gatekeeping what you think Part 1 was about and meant.

Maybe try watching the show while you're at it, because you're terribly off with your opinion on that too

MajorLazer6d ago

Naughty Dog is better than all the MS studios put together.

derek6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@just he has been behind 2 of the greatest games ever made. Tlou2 was easily the best non-vr game made last gen. Losers just can't get over Joel's death, mixed with the usual console war nonsense. The fact that you so casually call him a sob shows how deranged some gamers have become about Drunkmann.

derek6d ago

@frosty, for people like Just, including anyone that can be categorized as being a minority in any kind of media is "forcing it down his throat " lol. I to don't care for poor "checking box" inclusion for inclusion sake but that was not the case with tlou2.

fr0sty6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

The pathetic part about it is, you can tell just_looken never even played TLOU, because that was the game where Ellie's sexuality was first brought to light... No "that was forced down our throats" to be said about that.

Only terrified folks in the closet that use their hatred as cover from outing themselves fear LGBT people that much. They exist. They will exist in all aspects of life, including popular media. Get over it.

just_looken6d ago

@all

Once again you drag out something like its a big win

Here is my old channel a clip of me playing TLOU on ps3
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Search my channel for more clips

Proof its my channel? look at this profiles banner that is 7yrs old then look at other vids on that channel like my bf3 clips to see my psn id. But knowing this group that is way to much work.

Also elle being a lesbian is another trump card? one dlc is all we got of that a dlc that took over a year to be tossed out.

Rainbowcookie6d ago

Hey at least we have cookies to eat 😄

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Rangerman12087d ago

Glad he clarified it but i'm still somewhat skeptical. Plus, his comments about how Ai will revolutionize storytelling were still pretty iffy.

anast7d ago

No need to bow down, Stan your ground. The AI comments were gross though.

S2Killinit7d ago

Pretty excited as I read these. I just cant wait to see what ND is up to.

Export7d ago

put a chick in it and make her gay !

shadowknight2037d ago

Next they need a diverse couple, and perhaps some climate activists

StormSnooper6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I would love that if only to piss off all the lunatics. Lol

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