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Destiny 2 Project Lead Confirms 30 FPS Is Due To CPU Limits, Evaluating 4K On Xbox One X

Destiny 2 has faced some controversy recently due to the comments made by the development team regarding the technical makeup of the game on the Xbox One X.

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KingKionic 2544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

"Destiny 2 project lead, Mark Noseworthy has confirmed in a set of tweets that the game is CPU-bound. Even if they lower the resolution to 1080p, it won’t be possible to achieve 60 FPS no matter the platform."

I dont belive this statement. I believe even the Ps4 pro can run this game at 1080p 60 fps.We got games on ps4 pro like battlefield 1 running at 1800p 60 fps.

https://youtu.be/Qu705pp0mv...

The evidence is there.

Bungie saying there "evaluating 4K" for Xbox One X is nuts. We should have a confirmation that they said we would have.

"Bungie will not talk about Destiny 2 Xbox Scorpio version until E3 2017"

http://n4g.com/news/2059318...

Neonridr2544d ago

Bungie claims that their AI and physics are sooooo advanced, lol.

If Bungie can't just copy + paste the Pro code and slap it into the One X at the very least, then clearly there is more going on here.

TankCrossing2544d ago

CPU bound because they won't provide servers for their always-online game. Servers could and should host the AI, and the bulk of the physics.

ABizzel12544d ago

This is silly if the Pro is 4k, then the Xbox X will be 4K unless Bungie just flatout refuses to do it or request someone else port it to Xbox X, and at that point it's just a huge middle finger to MS and shows they left on awful terms.

GamerFrank852544d ago

Bad look for Bungie. Really bad look

freshslicepizza2544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

They already know it can't do 60 fps on any console but are evaluating the possibility of 4k on Xbox One X? Yeah that makes total sense.

And yes dedicated servers could also help this game.

Now I learned the new Guided Games mode is only playable in normal difficulty. I'm thinking of just canceling my pre order for the PC version. Moneyhatted DLC, the possibility of content being held back for DLC, no dedicated servers.

MegamanXXX2544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

The PC version will still be the best

Neonridr2544d ago

@moldybread - wait what? Guided games is only for normal mode, not hard? What sort of BS is that?

nveenio2544d ago

Doesn't Sony have a marketing agreement with Bungie for Destiny? Maybe the devil is in THOSE details.

Jmanzare2544d ago

It will be 4k on xb1x they just can't talk about it

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Npugz72544d ago

Of course they can run the game at 1080p 60fps. They just need to rework they're game engine that's been the same since destiny 1. I'm sorry but that game isn't that technically demanding for the pro and oneX . The bottle neck is the game engine not the consoles.

Vitalogy2544d ago

I think the same. Look at SWBF it'll run at 1080p60fps and has way many players online in MP at the same time plus too much going on on the screen. So this can only be because they're using a dated game engine that cannot achieve console maximum even there being a cpu bottleneck.

Jmanzare2544d ago

Swbf also has dedicated servers

xHeavYx2544d ago

You are calling him a liar? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
My man you are really hurt.

KingKionic 2544d ago

Bungie is just looking spooky after E3. Thats all ill say for now.

But when Battlefront 2 hits and you compare that ps4 pro version to Destiny 2 to you will see what im referring to.

KwietStorm_BLM2544d ago

What are you talking about? What was said actually makes sense to you? You buy this talk about running 4K30 but not 1080p60, while 4K itself has to be "evaluated" on a more powerful machine? How does that add up? The game looks exactly like the first Destiny, but all of a sudden this "rich physics simulations" can't render at 60 frames. TF outta here.

ShadowWolf7122544d ago

4K is being "Evaluated" because it would have to be implemented after the fact since the game Launches before the console. Day 1 vs Post-Launch support will be different and they don't want to make guarantees until they're sure. It's literally that simple.

Eonjay2544d ago

Wrong. It's a different engine. Yes it could reach 6pfps, but not in the engine they have developed for it and for the original consoles. It's like they would have to create a brand new engine and then yes it could be.

Ashunderfire862544d ago

Battlefield 1 can do 60fps on consoles but not all the time frames are not capped it goes down at times

Allsystemgamer2544d ago

Hey. Hey kid.

The x1x CPU is only clocked at 200mhz higher. That's not enough.

The game is heavily CPU bound.

Stop being all butt hurt that your worshipped piece of plastic isn't as strong as you'd hoped.

Athos2544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

If you look at Destiny, this thing should run on a toaster at 60fps. The physics, artwork and game play in no way scream that it cant run at 60fps. Crappy engine, lazy developer... and I RARELY play the lazy developers card.

Edit: And I am a PC gamer by nature, I am not beholden to any particular piece of plastic.

Anzil2544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

@Athos Destinys physics AI graphics and gameplay are stellar. The game is more CPU bound than most and PS4pro and Xbox one X CPUs are a joke hahahahahaha not happening. What don't you understand about this?

GUTZnPAPERCUTZ2544d ago

I agree with you, Destiny and Halo share very similar code in the engine and it's a very optimized engine! If Halo 5 can run 900p-1080p @ 60 on X1, Than i would think a console 4x more powerful could handle Destiny @ 1080p 60 just fine...

_-EDMIX-_2544d ago

lol

So all that hype and its just doing PS4 Pro settings?

.....funny

Corpser2544d ago

You don't believe what the people making the game is telling you?

Forn2544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

No, actually I do not. There are examples of games on console, PS4 specifically, that hit at least a 1080p @ 60fps benchmark. And said game(s) is/are far more demanding.

ShadowWolf7122544d ago

No, they're not "far more demanding". They're far more demanding on a GPU-side, not the CUP side. This game's physics, object count, AI, all of it, run off the CPU. The CPU is what needs to be beefed up for 60fps, not the GPU. GPU will affect resolution and ONLY resolution.

Ausbo2544d ago

If ark evolved can jump from 30-60, I don't believe them. Yeah the CPU isn't that new but it's upclocked and Microsoft has offloaded a lot of CPU processes to the GPU. Can't they at least get it to an unlocked 40-50 fps?

dantesparda2544d ago

Just because the ARK devs say it can do 60fps doesnt mean that will run at a steady 60fps. That piece of junk game is a joke and they are the absolute worst devs out there. And the game will run nowhere near a stable 60fps, it'll probably be between 15-60fps

Sircolby452544d ago

You can't really compare it to any Frostbite engine game, because that is one of if not the most efficient game engines out there. There are games out there that look far worse than BF1 and will get half the FPS on the same machine. The CPU on all of the consoles including the X is on a very poor performing ancient AMD architecture. Combine that with an inefficient engine and what he is saying is likely true. I am not trying to make excuses for him, I am just simply saying it is quite possible that their engine is simply not efficient enough to run 60 FPS on any of the console CPUs.

RedSalmon2544d ago

"...it won’t be possible to achieve 60 FPS no matter the platform."

Don't mind me, I'll just be over here playing on my PC.

FITSniper2544d ago

He was clearly talking about consoles.

ossyc2543d ago (Edited 2543d ago )

The Jaguar CPU isn't good enough. The PRO and X1X are both using it. Also the GPU is good but not good enough. it would need to be the equivalent of an Nvidia 1080 at least, to hit 4K/60fps and you'd have to dial down the graphics to med-high. That card is 9 TFLOPS.

The X1X GPU falls short of the 1070 which is 6.5TFLOP . This is why the game is 4K/30fps for both PRO and X1X

nismo3702543d ago

Butthurt????
Must feel gooooood!!!!

DrumBeat2543d ago

The Xbox One X's CPU is simply too weak.

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Sciurus_vulgaris2544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

I think Destiny, doesn't use CPU as efficiently as other shooters. The lack of dedicated servers doesn't help, as it increases CPU load on the console. Plus, there is no indication, as of yet, of Destiny 2 using dynamic resolution.

Sircolby452544d ago

Yes this is likely another culprit. It doesn't help when the CPU is having to run both the game processing and what would normally be processing done on a dedicated server.

Jman22544d ago

Even though people don't believe it, it is likely the case. Alot of developers do not optimize for contiguous cache memory Access, or to avoid I cache misses. This means the CPU has to sit idle whilst it sends a fetch request to ram which can take 600+ cycles . This is very very bad for hitting higher frame rates.

How ever it does seem like something else is likely the issue, servers may help alot.

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brich2332544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

If you believe that shit your an idiot. Bungie has never made a game over 30fps on console and are probably scared too. The game is just not engineered for 60 fps and bungie is blaming it on the hardware.

EatCrow2544d ago

yea. there is more to 60 fps then just changing a number. Thing is. Its unlocked on PC.
So im pretty sure it has to do with a deal.
That or simply the lowest common denominator.

Liqu1d2544d ago

PC has more capable CPUs.

EatCrow2544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

@Liquid
I have an !5 right now. I know theyre more capable. But still. These games dont require that much. I think its interesting theyre not sure about resolution but definitely not 60fps. Im pretty sure it could do 1080p 60 fps.

their responses clearly show they just have no intention of trying to get it to 60fps and like I said...likely because of the lowest denominator. The standard xbox one

GUTZnPAPERCUTZ2544d ago

It's the same Engine as Halo... Since 343 picked up Halo, Halo has been 60 without looking that far off from destiny's graphics, So I don't believe it's the engine...

Sircolby452544d ago

The dev actually said a while back that it is a completely new engine redesigned from the ground up. This is very possible as MS may not have let them take the engine code with them.

Sciurus_vulgaris2544d ago

Destiny appears to not use the Halo engine ( https://www.videogamer.com/... The 343i Halo games use modified (and enhanced) "Halo Reach engines".

thekhurg2544d ago

Destiny 2 engine is on PC and runs 60+ fps.

So that busts your theory right there.

Athos2544d ago

Just because my PC has the raw horsepower to make their crappy engine run at 60fps or better doesn't mean that Pro or X1X shouldn't. There is nothing advanced about the game and no amount of them saying there is would make me believe it. There are other games out there with more complicated physics and AI that run at higher frames than Destiny or Destiny 2.

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Angeljuice2544d ago

They aren't blaming the hardware at all. Can you read?
Bungie's engine is designed around 30fps with heavy loads on the CPU.
They are saying that their engine is not able to work at 60 f/s, whatever CPU you use and however much you turn down the resolution.

CorndogBurglar2544d ago

Then why can it run at 60fps on PC?

Not trying to be a smartass, its a genuine question.

Dissidia2544d ago

Unless...it's a PC CPU. Then they can have the fps uncapped. Idk, something doesn't seem right about this whole situation

Sircolby452544d ago

@CorndogBurglar The reason is PCs have CPUs that are significantly faster than the console CPUs. I am not talking a little bit faster. I am talking like 2-4x faster (maybe even higher) depending on the CPU. All of the consoles including the X are using old AMD Jaguar cores which are notorious for having terrible IPC (Instructions Per Clock) and on top of that they are clocked at about half the speed of the PC processors. So with a PC you have a CPU clocked twice as high and doing twice the amount of instructions per clock essentially.

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Wallstreet372544d ago

It's what we been telling the blind, close minded fanatics all along. The slightly modified cpu is still a weak jaguar and will be a bottleneck. But noooo every game will be 4k native and 60fps lol smh

Next up..... Most Xbox x games will be using checkerboard to reach 4k unless it's an indie looking game. True 4K is already defined on Microsoft website as including checkerboard rendering :)

Of course same ignorant, blind, fanatical defense force year after year, disappointment after disappointment.

Gamist2dot02544d ago

That's what I thought too; that extra 200mhz cpu won't magically turn 30fps to 60fps.

Athos2544d ago

No but making an engine for a console generation with weak CPU's was just stupid. Create an engine that is more efficient and off loads from the CPU as much as possible is what they should have done instead of modifying the same crap engine over and over.

Cobra9512544d ago

Yes, sadly true. I'm not sure whether Bungie really can't make 60 fps happen, or they simply don't want to go through all the extra work just for the upscale console tiers. (Cost vs benefit doesn't work out for their bean counters?) Either way, it bares the sore spot on the half-gen console upgrades--the carryover weak CPU.

GUTZnPAPERCUTZ2544d ago

No one said "Every game will be 4k 60"...? We are talking 1080p 60... which is very capable for both the Pro and the X1X. MS already stated they were using checkerboard rendering as well, Sony proved it worked awesome with the Pro, so of course it's welcomed!

Wallstreet372544d ago (Edited 2544d ago )

Your preaching to the choir, I get every console Day one and COD with checkerboarding on pro is gorgeous and Horizon, amongst others.

No one said every game would be native 4K? lol righttttttt go back to the articles and comments section when specs were revealed, you had tons of idiots saying things like that. Speak for yourself and not for the fanatics in every brand that spew hyperbole.

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Days Gone Director Says Bend's Project Costs Over $250M; Says PS Co-CEO Doesn't Want 2 Zombies Games

Days Gone director claims Sony has already poured in at least a $250M in Bend's project; says Days Gone sold more than Death Stranding.

shinoff21832d ago

Well that sucks. Seems they want more online trash. I'd rather of had the sequel if it was single player

MrNinosan2d ago

What online trash games did PS Studios release last 10 years?

Notellin2d ago

The past has nothing to do with the future. This is such a terrible argument. Everyone knows about their current live service push.

_SilverHawk_2d ago

It's so tragic what happened to days gone. It is such an amazing game but bandwagoners trashed it and it underperformed in it's launch year. Days gone is the best open world zombie game released in the past five years. I was recently playing it on pc and I'm still amazed by it.

Games are very expensive to make and it seems like it's normal for a AAA game to cost over a quarter billion to make so if a quality game like days gone greatly underperforms then people shouldn't be upset when they see a lot of GAAS. I still remember a lot of bandwagoners calling days gone trash but years later it's now amazing when it's considered a failure by sony.

If a game isn't the best thing seen since hats with pockets then a lot of gamers who haven't played it automatically calls it rubbish and whoever made it should be incarcerated

Cacabunga2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Co CEO prefers gamers to boycott.. so be it. I’ll never buy a gaas.
Just imagine buying a game you cannot replay in some years.. this shit must stop.

Days Gone did zombies in a very original way. The story was also so engaging. You actually only meet Zombie hordes later in the game. There are many more enemy groups to deal with.

MrNinosan2d ago

@Notelin
I am one of the few who bought Days Gone on release day and loved it completely.
However, "more online trash" is phrased like Sony has put out alot of trash online games.
We got what, 2 games? Helldivers 2 and GT7, 2 of the most sold Playstation games where both is loved by millions.

You, me and especially shinoff has no idea if Fairgames, Marathon and Concord will be trash.

Just because we (as in you and me) don't love or support online games, doesn't mean millions of other do.

And we don't know what Bend Studio is working with? We don't know if they're forced to make a online game or another amazing single player experience.

The only thing we do know is that it's not Days Gone, sadly due to poor sales the first 6 months.

shinoff21831d 23h ago (Edited 1d 23h ago )

More online trash wasmt meant how insee it comes across. I should've worded it different I was meaning the focus they currently have on it.

Anything online is online trash to me. How long did naughty dog spend on that dumba last of us multiplayer, how about Concord, or even the other couple we hear about. I fk with Sony because rpgs and their 1st party single player games. Been like that for years. I hate seeing them waste time, money, and talent on trash. I understand bot every game is gonna be for me but this focus they've seem to had on multiplayer is extremely disheartening. Even at the state of play the only things I was really feeling were Astrobot and silent hill 2 and I'm content with that, not everything is for me. It's just the online focus I hate. Ms bought up 3 to 4 wrpgs developers, Sony just ignores rpgs 1st party wise.

And a days gone 2 would've been much better then whatever online sht bend is working on. I do know sometimes I get very idk emotional. I do need to work on toning that down a bit lol

SimpleDad1d 13h ago

Ammm let's see... That All-stars, Foamstars, Babilon 5 wass gaas...
Concord... can wait to play that...Marathon uuuu... Last of them gaas... U
Horizon Zero dawn has a project that leaked as a Fortnite lookalike.

They bought Destiny that is a dead gaas...people love ti.

Helldivers 2 was luck.

Jimbo was all in and pushed Sony single player games 5 years behind.

Spiderman gaas was cancelled... I mean every 1st party studio was doing gaas.

Bend had to pitch a gaas game... Open world coop something

I can't remember more... Of that crap.

tay87011d 12h ago

@simpledad. Destiny 2 isn't a dead game. Its the number 5 most played game on steam. I dont play it, but alot of people do.

MrNinosan1d 7h ago

@SimpleDad
You failed to mention a single PS Studios game that has been released last 10 years.
Either your reading skills are crap or you think Sony own every studio in the world.

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just_looken1d 7h ago

I rolled my eyes at concord not only was it just yet another cookie cutter hero shooter but that qucik look for the hero select.

Already has a free section then paid section along with a they/them she/her dei crap top right.

Nothing like a day off of work to fire up concord to read about the new characters sexual identity and or preference then a paywall do you want o buy this character shit like no i just want to shoot my gun have fun.

-Foxtrot2d ago

It would be a shame if it was true that Hermen never gave the franchise a chance simply because he didn't like it and they already had a "Zombie" game with TLOU.

NaughtyDog are most likely moving onto a new IP next so it would have been the perfect time to do it.

ThinkThink2d ago

Here's where xbox steps in and releases state of decay 3 day and date on ps5.

shinoff21831d 22h ago

I mean it's not out of the realm of possibility at this point.

Grilla2d ago

Days gone 2 was canceled before Herman was in charge. That happened like 4 years ago.

vfl5232d ago

4 years ago he was head of Playstation Studios. He would've probably had a hand in the cancelation.

Notellin2d ago

Man two seconds of research could have saved you from this comment. Amazing work Grilla you fit in with the uniformed N4G community who speaks before verifying anything that they say.

Redemption-642d ago

Maybe encourage people to buy the game at full price and not when it's heavily discounted or go on plus. If this game had sold well when it was full priced a sequel would have been in the works. They made a single-player game that most people didn't support until they dropped the price.

Cacabunga2d ago

The guy’s just a moron.. he should have stayed within game development. His choices will have a terrible impact on the brand in the long run.

tay87011d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

Dude is pretty pathetic. Sounds like a guy who's girl left him for someone better. Always talking about days gone sequel that never was, even though he is no longer at bend and hasnt been for a while. I for one am not upset about the lack of a sequel. It is one of the worst 1st party games in recent memory. Completely jank, played like an xbox game. The only redeeming quality was the hordes.

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excaliburps2d ago

Yep. Kind of weird since it wasn't a sales flop, no?

I know we have to take what Ross says with a grain of salt since we're hearing just one side of the story, but even so, the game wasn't bad at all. Heck, it's my brother's favorite last-gen game from what I recall.

The amount of zombies on screen, imagine that with the PS5 and SSD? That would be insanely fun!

Grilla2d ago

Most copies were sold on sale. Not enough ppl bought it at full price. I paid 20$ for it 6 -7 months after release.

Notellin2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Yeah we should never believe the creators side until we hear the corporate/big business side as history has shown we should always believe billion dollar corporations.

What a bootlicker statement.

derek2d ago

@Notellin, of course you'll believe an embittered ex-employee with an axe to grind because it's evil Sony he's complaining about. You guys act like days gone was this huge success and somehow Sony hates easy money a sequel would have generated. The game was mid and so was the response to it. They're still supporting the developer who is making a new ip that could be great.

shinoff21831d 22h ago

Days gone was fantastic. I bought day one but didn't get around to it for months. When I finally did I was pissed at myself for waiting so long lol

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P_Bomb2d ago

Well I don’t want 10 live service games, but they have no problem doing that lol. Ugh.

CrimsonWing692d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Oh great so we only get what the big wigs want… y’know, the people that really have their fingers on the pulse of what their consumers want. Faaaaantastic!

rippermcrip2d ago

Well consider they know the sales... they do know what the consumer wants.

It sold shit.

-Foxtrot1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

But if it’s true what this guy says it sold better than Death Stranding

Yet that got a sequel and Kojima aside out of them both DS didn’t really NEED a sequel compared to Days Gone which ended on such a cliff hanger twist.

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Destiny 2's Pantheon is Great, But Isn't Sure What it Wants to Be

A few weeks ago Destiny 2: Into the Light released its highly anticipated raid boss rush mode, Pantheon. At release it was something I was cautiously optimistic about. As fun as the mode was, the overall response from the community, and reward structure left it in an unusual position. With all of the Pantheon stages now available, I wanted to touch on my experiences with the unusual mode. - IS

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Greetings from the newly minted CEO - Shams Jorjani

Operating under the username BigKahuna_AGS, Jorjani created a lengthy thread on the Helldivers subreddit to introduce himself to the community following his appointment as CEO in early May.