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Phil Spencer disagrees with Michael Pachter

Phil Spencer, director of Xbox, talked about the price of Xbox Scorpio and the affirmation of the analyst, Michael Pachter , who in recent days said that Microsoft will commit suicide if you put the console more than the $ 399 price. Honcho recognized that the device, scheduled to debut in a year, will be more expensive than the Xbox One S because it is a product for high - end consumers, but denied that Microsoft's success depends only on that decision or that product only .

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Kingthrash3602756d ago (Edited 2755d ago )

So it's gunna cost more than $399?
Good luck with that phil.
I normally don't agree with pachter...but I think he is right on this.
Well the way he kept saying premium title and that it will be priced higher than the xbox s Which is what 299 at the lowest. ..you really think ms will jump from 1TB to 6 for 100 bucks more...with a bluray player new cpu/gpu higher ram...production costs...and the extra to make a profit from? Please bro, read between the lines here. If it costs 399.99 that will be cool for all that you get...but this is ms we are talking about. They released an underpowered console for 100$ more than the more power ps4....you really think they are gunna put more power into the scorpio and not make it cost you? ....here's hoping it's 399.99.....but my question to you is if its 499.99 or 599.99.....wold patcher be wrong? Will people flock to buy it? Would you buy that?

christocolus2756d ago (Edited 2754d ago )

"So it's gunna cost more than $399?"

Lol. Did you just pull that out of thin air? Nowhere in that interview does he state that it'll be above $399. He only says it will be priced higher than the Xbox One S and the standard Xbox One S bundle costs $299 and comes bundled with a game.

@Errorist

You ain't MS and until they announce the price, no one here can say what it will cost..and this interview obviously said nothing about that. Just that it will be priced higher than the Xbox One S. Anything outside this is pure speculation. The console will be out in another 12 months.There is plenty of time for MS to come up with a good price and so you know the standard XBS bundle costs $299 not $349

Errorist762756d ago

Are you kidding me?! The X1S 1TB is 349,- and the Scorpio is supposed to be 4 times as fast...do you really think it's gonna cost 399,-?!

GtR35olution2756d ago

I strongly believe the xbox one scorpio will cost $500 or $600 but not less than 500. The scorpio is suppose to have 12gbs of ram with a new cpu and gpu which wont be cheap.

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blitz06232756d ago

Honestly it's difficult to tell, given how fast the tech moves. But if you look at it from the PS4 pro's perspective, the PS4 came out 3 years ago at 399.99. The Pro is about 2.2x more powerful and priced the same but 3 years later. The Scorpio will be around 1.5x more powerful, but a year later so a reasonable price is around 449.99 to 499.99

ger23962756d ago

So why not announce the price now? Priced higher than Xbox 1 s, which one 500 gb or the 1 to?

Kokyu2755d ago

@blitz

The Pro doesnt have anything new really in terms of tech but 5.0 wifi an hdmi 2.0 the rest is upclocked original Ps4 tech; gpu. Cpu and ram are all the same just up clocked.

The scorpio on the other hand is adding 4 more gigs of ram and a bigger GPU with 2tb hard drive I think 600$ is most likely the actual price.

mark_parch2755d ago

you have to remember it is still 12 months away. ps4 pro will probably be around $350 by then. I predict $450 for scorpio which seems reasonable to me

GrontB2755d ago

No more than 599 but with those specs and targeting native 4k it wouldn't go below 499. I can hardly do 4k with my Gtx 980ti. I'd say 499 is the lowest they could/would go but we will see.

darthv722755d ago

$399-499 for the basic model and $499-599 for the super deluxe model. That is... if they make a super deluxe model

CYCLEGAMER2755d ago

I don't think some of you people realize that the Scorpio doesn't come out until next year. By then the xb1 s will be at a lower price point and the parts for the scorpio will be much cheaper to produce than they are today.

freshslicepizza2755d ago

The Xbox One S starts at $299 with at least one game bundled. Scorpio will be at least $399 is my guess. If Microsoft can prove there is a substantial upgrade over the Pro then they can get away with it being higher than $400.

If Scorpio ends up more than $499 it will cater to only the higher end crowd like those who bought an elite controller. We also have to remember the PS3 sold rather well at $599 so let's stop acting like it's doomed if it's higher than $399.

The PS4 pro mainly upgraded just its GPU, Scorpio will get an all around upgrade. But again Microsoft will have to show actual substance over it and not just specs.

itsmebryan2755d ago

He pulled it out his a$$. Smh

curtis922755d ago

With Phil's response, yes, it will be more than $399. This was Phil's way of explaining WHY it'll be more than $399 without saying it will be more than $399.

Ashlen2755d ago

Of course its going to be more than $399. You can look at what all the parts they are talking about costs assume there will be cheaper when bought in bulk and there is still no way this thing can come in at $399.

A 6 TB GPU is 400, plus you have to factor in RAM the CPU a Motherboard Hard Drive and all the other bits like PSU case the plugs a controller ect. Even with bulk discounts there is no way all of that is coming in at the same price as a GPU alone.

Even as $499 it's unlikely that it will be sold at a profit.

Kurdishcurse2755d ago (Edited 2755d ago )

scorpio is allegedly able to run native 4k. if you think itll cost 400 then you are delusional. other than that, the graphics cards alone that can handle native 4k cost double or even triple a current gen console. expect scorpio to cost, at the very minimum, 1200$. this is IF it does native 4k in all or most of its games.

lalalala2755d ago

@christoculus - You need to read between the lines. If he disagrees with Pachter on the price, then it's going to be more expensive. It's a very safe assumption, because they did the same thing with the always online stuff before Xbox One launch.

Sounds like it will be at least $449, probably $499 if they follow the Xbox One's initial launch price which Phil thought was a brilliant price until he basically got no applause at the announcement. I seriously doubt it will be more than that.

ShadowKnight2755d ago

@Moldybread

When Sony sold the PS3 for $600 it was a disaster for the company and they learn their lesson from that.

BizarroUltraman2755d ago

The low end sku will cost $399, with the high end model at $449-499. And yes, I would still buy at those prices anything above that and Im out thil price drop. Good day.

DarkZane2755d ago

@christocolus

No he didn't pull that out of thin air. If Pachter says it's suicide to price it above 399.99 and Phil Spencer argues with him, then it's pretty obvious it's gonna be above that otherwise he would not argue.

Also, he did say Xbox 360 BC would not need software wizardry like on the Xbox One and Xbox One S and it would work flawlessly. Even if the Scorpio is more powerful, that's not gonna be possible unless they put the Xbox 360 architecture like Sony did to get PS2 games to run on 20/60GB PS3. Remember how expensive the PS3 was at launch? This was mainly due for that, because even with a blu-ray, if you took out the PS2 architecture, Sony could have shaven off 100$ minimum, probably more.

Spencer did say that it was gonna be a high product, so expect to pay more than 399.99$ for it. Also, if they believe they can make native 4K gaming work at 30fps with 6 teraflops, they're in for a surprise. 6 teraflops isn't enough for native 4K, even 1440p would struggle with this.

yomfweeee2755d ago

He posed it as a question, so no he didn't pull it out of thin air. It is a completely valid question. As others have said, there is no way this can be $399 unless MS takes a huge loss on it... which I don't think they will do. Specifically based on what Spencer said in the interview... they consider it a premium product compare to their existing products... so obviously it is going to sell for more.

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ShadowKnight2756d ago (Edited 2756d ago )

True Native 4K 60fps console for $399??🤔 I have to see it to believe it😅 I really wanna know what GPU and CPU they'll be using from AMD. I wonder if the Scorpio will have two gpus in crossfire configuration? If it's $399 Microsoft will lose money and profit on every console they sell. Not a win win situation imo. If they want to keep losing money it's on them.

Gazondaily2756d ago

Yeah I agree. Such a beastly specced console can't be that cheap. No way.

Utalkin2me2756d ago

@Septic

Where are you getting your info for specs? I would like to read up on it. Cause i have yet to find full specs of the console.

Razrye22755d ago

Yeah septic let's see a link to these specs. Also xbox one and the Scorpio have to play the same games. There will be no Scorpio exclusive games. Making the extra power redundant.

Braveheart_NZ2755d ago (Edited 2755d ago )

The rumor is that the Scorpio will be using the new AMD Vega for graphics and an AMD Zen processor when both technologies get released next year, well before the release of Xbox Scorpio. Obviously those two technologies will be in a Vega + Zen SoC ( APU ). The links are posted if you want to read about the tech and both look very promising on delivering a lot of graphical and processing power. http://wccftech.com/amd-veg...
http://wccftech.com/amd-zen...

Christopher2755d ago (Edited 2755d ago )

***Where are you getting your info for specs?***

Just logical reasoning. @ShadowKnight mentioned "True Native 4k 60fps console" and to reach that, it would need to be a beastly console. Much more than what we have now. And it's not just GPU, it would need a much upgrade CPU as well. Remember, the requirements for doing 4k60fps on PC continues to increase as does the technology surrounding our medium. To think that consoles can come in at low 4k60fps gaming from 5 years ago and be okay going forward is ridiculous. We're going to be missing out on so much by doing that.

***Also xbox one and the Scorpio have to play the same games. There will be no Scorpio exclusive games. Making the extra power redundant.***

What? How is extra power redundant? If you want extra power, you get it. Just because you don't need it doesn't make it redundant. A PC gamer can build a godly machine and play games at ridiculous specs if they want, or they can build a mid-range or even a low-range PC. It all depends on what they prioritize, price or performance/looks. The Scorpio and Pro are doing just that. None of that makes any machine redundant, only an option.

freshslicepizza2755d ago

On the Pro it is a bit redundant if Sony is throttling the system back to make sure the games run like they do on the regular PS4. The Xbox One S had shown a different direction where that slight boost is there without an update by developers.

Plus it is unwise to compare specs with the PC. A closed system can do a lot more with less. Look at what the regular PS4 has done with its parts. Look at what Microsoft and the team that made forza horizon 3 and what they were able to do.

Mystogan2755d ago

If its a Zen CPU with a Vega GPU. 500-600 will be well worth it.

ChristopherJack2755d ago

PlayStation 1 & 2 built their success on selling at a loss & making it all back on licensing.

Kiwi662755d ago (Edited 2755d ago )

If its around the $399 price range that is a good deal for what you get

Utalkin2me2755d ago

Again all rumors and blah blah blah. Nobody again has evidence of exactly what the console is. Soon as someone can post evidence of that, then get out of here with that bs stuff of rumors and such.

Christopher2755d ago

***On the Pro it is a bit redundant if Sony is throttling the system back to make sure the games run like they do on the regular PS4.***

That would be up to the developers, not Sony. Sony doesn't demand developers do this.

***Plus it is unwise to compare specs with the PC. ***

It would be even more unwise to ignore them as they have set a precedent of when people were capable of 4k on PC as well as what technology has come along since the release of the current consoles that have been implemented and widely used on PCs. Let alone the metrics of what is capable of 4k and what isn't as far as measurement of system capabilities. Optimization is a great thing, current systems are proof of that, but that doesn't suddenly mean you're going to get native 4k games that are going to meet the visual/quality expectations of what we have now with 1080p. Kind of the same way PSVR is an eye opener to what happens when you are the cheaper PSVR option with a weaker-then-the-normal-VR-PC behind it. You can hope, but to act as if it's a certainty when technology isn't pointing in that direction...

cyclindk2755d ago

If you could play any PC game on it, I would consider it. Otherwise it's potential for failure would be too risky to invest in it.

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FITSniper2755d ago

Console hardware sales have typically been loss leaders for a few years before the company starts to break even. The terrible state of the global economy is what changed that.

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Bigpappy2755d ago

Even at $499 it would sell well. What you are getting at that price point would be easily worth it for 6tf, 12G, RAM and supper high bandwidth .

S2Killinit2755d ago

yeah I don't know about that.

Obscure_Observer2755d ago (Edited 2755d ago )

@S2Killinit

Yeah you know. Ps3 was a 600 bucks worth machine at release against the Xbox 360 costing 200 bucks less and showing no superior performance on games whatsoever despise all that it manages to sell quite well.

If the Scorpio manages to deliver superior experiences and performance over the Pro and the Switch at 500 plus bucks price tag, you can bet your @$$ it will sale. ;)

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MRMagoo1232755d ago

@obscure

it's sell not sale for a start. Your whole point is invalid anyway considering the ps3 was Sony and Sony sells always has MS on the other hand is not liked by most of the world.

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GUTZnPAPERCUTZ2755d ago

Scorpio has some serious power advantages compared to PS4 Pro... 12gb 320+gb/sec GDDR5 compared to 8gb 208gb/sec GDDR5, 6TFLOP GPU compared to a 4.2TFLOP GPU and most likely an 8 core ZEN CPU compared to a slightly over clocked PS4/X1 Jaguar CPU. I would bet it would be $450 or $500, no more and no less.

ShadowKnight2755d ago (Edited 2753d ago )

If it's $450 with tax it will still be almost $500 dollars in US 🤔 😅

S2Killinit2755d ago (Edited 2755d ago )

if people thought the jump from 1.3/1.8TFLP to Pro's 4.2TFLP was not a big deal, they will feel even less enthused about the Scorpio's power bump compared to the Pro.

Obscure_Observer2755d ago

@S2Killinit

"if people thought the jump from 1.3/1.8TFLP to Pro's 4.2TFLP was not a big deal, they will feel even less enthused about the Scorpio's power bump compared to the Pro."

Only in your world. The Pro is 2.5 more powerfull than the OG Ps4! It´s powerfull machine gimped by the OG Ps4´s parity clause. Studios starting developing for the OG Ps4 then enhance Ps4 games for the Pro. Sad but true. The soon devs start developing PS4 games with the Pro as the primary platform THEN will see the real power of the Pro.

Same applies to the Scorpio. ;)

GUTZnPAPERCUTZ2755d ago

The RAM difference alone screams 4k... GPU is not everything, most Console exclusive owners don't realize everything that goes into making games run the best with the hardware presented. CPU and RAM is a huge bottleneck for frame rate and 4k textures on the pro... The NEW CPU and Higher Bandwidth/More RAM will allow for this to become a reality, with PS4 pro running some games at native 4k and 30fps we should see Scorpio achieve the same graphical fidelity while running a native 4k frame and 60fps with out an issue!

BizarroUltraman2755d ago

@Shadow,

And the PS4 Pro was $425 after taxes for me. So whats your point. Im sure it will be just as or more expensive in your neck of the woods.

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BossBattle2755d ago (Edited 2755d ago )

The Scorpio will be worth it for it's targeted consumers. It's for the same audience that would buy an elite controller for $150.

Razrye22755d ago

The Scorpio is no good without decent games. Which it sorely lacks

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Trekster_Gamer2755d ago

King thrash speaks trash film at eleven

LastCenturyRob2755d ago

Kingthrash.... Even if it comes out at $499, that will be a steal for what you are getting under the hood. If that is too much there is the X1s which is a great system for the price.

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Obscure_Observer2755d ago (Edited 2755d ago )

@Kingthrash360

"So it's gunna cost more than $399?"

Yes. It´s a PREMIUM console after all. But you know already knew this don´t you? ;) The funniest part about it? YOU GONNA PAY FOR IT!!!

So just stop pretending you´re concerned about the Scorpio´s future. ;)

trainsgofast2755d ago (Edited 2755d ago )

If MS paid 1.5B to AMD that puts you at next year at a cost of $400 - $500.
Without R&D on a new controller.

XXanderXX2755d ago

Think deal was more like 3 billion

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XanderZane2755d ago (Edited 2755d ago )

The price of the Xbox One Slims will be lower by the time the Scorpio is released. The 2TB XB1 S will most likely be $350 by then. All those consoles will drop down at least $50. Scorpio will most likely be between 399.99 - 499.99

@Gaming_Cousin
It won't be $600. That would be suicide. That would be almost twice the price of the competition. If they released it today, yes, it probably would be $550 or $600, but it's a year away.

game4funz2755d ago

Xbox one s came out at 299$

#facts

Fantasticzig2755d ago

My prediction is that Xbox is just replacing the Steambox model, and there will ultimately be different tiers of Xbox for different graphics optimizations. If so, they could have models that cost thousands and basically market them as Surface PCs with an Xbox virtual console. Who knows.

Mrveryodd2755d ago

I paid 2 times that for a ps3 a decade ago so no I dont agree that it is dead out the gate , I will buy it no problem

noksucow732755d ago

I'd buy it at 499, but not over that. If it's over that I'll wait for a price drop. If it's what they say it is, with the specs and all, then I'd get it for 499. My Sega saturn cost me that much at launch. Lol

Deeke2755d ago

If Project Scorpio is able to hit native 4K and true 4K at 60FPS, it'll need to tap AMD's new hardware, including Vega and Zen. Polaris won't be strong enough to hit native 4K.

So...if this is true, it absolutely will be more than $399. Microsoft has already said that the console will be priced at a premium.

That being said, I disagree with Pachter. I think a lot of us do. He's not very succinct, and honestly I don't see how he still has his job. He can't properly explain specifications, can't explain basic things about the games industry very well.

daBUSHwhaka2755d ago

$450 for a PS3 at launch didn't stop sales so why would this be any different..

MRMagoo1232755d ago

cos this isn't Sony it's Microsoft only the usa likes them

nowitzki20042755d ago

I dont see it costing less than $499.

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trooper_2755d ago

Can't see this being any less than $499+.

LordMaim2755d ago

@Moldy: Literally in every interview Spencer has given on Project Scorpio, he has repeated the messaging "Premium Price", to set the correct expectations. He is laying the groundwork for people not to get sticker shock on the PS3 level of pricing that a 6TF console is going to carry at launch.

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ArchangelMike2756d ago

When corporate heads use phrases like " higher-end", or "premium" you immediately know that they are trying to justify why the product they are holding is going to be more expensive than it needs to be.

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ArchangelMike2756d ago

To honest I don't think anyone was expecting the price of the PS4Pro to be $399. It'll be hard to beat though.

rdgneoz32756d ago

And MS wasn't expecting the PS4 to release as soon as it did (with a lower price the the xbone) and the Pro as well. Sony keeps throwing them for loops.

If it's more than $399, it'll be hard for MS sales wise. When the PS3 released at it's original price, people criticized it in comparison to the 360. And at that time, it was also the only console with built in wifi and a blu ray player. With the 1 year lead and lower price, it took the PS3 a while to catch up in sales.

starchild2755d ago

I did. In multiple comments I predicted $399 would be the price of the Pro.

I also predict the Scorpio will cost somewhere between $399 and $499.

Mystogan2755d ago (Edited 2755d ago )

Its a premium product because it wont replace the xbox one s. Its made to sit alongside it. Just like the Elite Controller.

If its a Zen CPU with a Vega GPU. 500-600 will be well worth it.

cyber_daemonx2755d ago

@rook, yeah and its only $399. You need to hope scorpio hits the same price bracket or it'll go the same way as the bone. You really think UHD blue ray is gonna make a difference. Fat chance.

TruM06072755d ago

Well when I look at what the pro offers and then look at it's price to me it looks about right. For 399 u r basically getting the poor mans upgrade. With to me the only toutable upgrade being the 4.2 tflops of power which will help it to run better looking games at a upscale 4K image and some older and less demanding games at native 4K. Everything else is basically the same as the old PS4. With Scorpio ms is looking to bring u a console that will look to bring u the performance of a high end thousands of dollars pc to yr living room and that's accourding to Arron Greenberg not me they have a interview of him saying that in another article here on n4g. So with a performance jump like that I would say that's a premium product and I'm looking to spend around 500 to 600 on this thing if it is cheaper that would be nice but I don't think much more than that since Phil already said it would b reasonably price as far as consoles go.

blackout2755d ago

Dude your in EVERY ARTICLE. This site must be your life.

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corroios2756d ago

Spencer, just say the price...Afraid are you?

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Gazondaily2756d ago

Let them show the console first...

Utalkin2me2756d ago

You act like it's already out, roflmao. Link me to where you are getting your full specs from, that you keep claiming about.

Gazondaily2755d ago

What full spec? It's running 6TF no? Or do you think it will be a lie?

On paper, it looks like a beastly console. Based on whatever little we know. VR support with third party peripherals, supposedly native 4k on first party titles and being approximately 43% more powerful than the Pro. Forty three percent. That's pretty mad no? Or do you think it would happen?

Utalkin2me2755d ago

@Septic

Again, i will embarass you one more time. Link me to your paper that youre getting your specs from. We dont want rumors or assumptions.

game4funz2755d ago

Don't worry septic. Some people here don't watch e3 and are badly informed.

Gazondaily2755d ago

@Utalkin2me

You're only embarrassing yourself. Is or is the Scorpio not 6TF? You guys are pretending that the Scorpio won't even exist next year. Let's see your hilarious u turn in Digital Foundry articles next year. That will be fun 😆

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Bahamut2756d ago

@R0-okie_4_President

You're 12 years old, I take it?

starchild2755d ago

He doesn't act differently than many people on N4G. I see so many people calling out Rookie but most of them are just as bad or worse.

Kryptix2755d ago

Didn't know there were other N4G users who make 30 accounts in one month like Rookie. Now, that's on another level of pathetic than your typical fanboy spinners.

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spicelicka2755d ago

Um pretty sure they have policies regarding what to reveal when. I don't think you understand how business works.

Auron2755d ago

Why should he? its a year away and tech goes down in price so fast and im sure the scorpio isnt even near the production stage so there is no point.

MyDietEqualsGames2755d ago (Edited 2755d ago )

They probably don't even have a solid spec yet. Also, these companies almost never display a price unless it's along side a reveal.

Obscure_Observer2755d ago

@corroios

Are you anxious? Why would him tell the price and lose all the E3´s spootlight while giving competition the edge?

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Take-Two CEO Doesn’t Think AI Will Reduce Employment or Dev Costs; “Stupidest Thing” He’s Heard

Take-Two CEO Strauss Zelnick doesn't think AI will reduce employment or lower development costs, and calls it "stupidest thing" he's ever heard.

lodossrage2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

They already have AI trained to do coding.......

How he thinks it's stupid is beyond me, Especially since we see it happening in real time.

CS724m ago

Company A has 300 employees and lays of 200 to replace them with AI to release the same quality game.

Company B has 300 employees and keeps all 300 but instead uses AI to release a game with dramatically larger scale, scope, complexity, short dev cycle etc.

Company B would release a dramatically better product by using humans + AI and consumers would buy the better game.

I actually agree with this concept.

Huey_My_D_Long16m ago(Edited 16m ago)

This is key facet. Its how the AI is used. It's actually is impressive as is and really would make an amazing addition to alot of people in their jobs, not just tech. It also has the potential for businesses to use to lay off large amounts of people, as much as they could to save money on labor. I hope too many companies don't go with the latter. But since usually companies are worried about bottom line over people...we will see some try and hopefully fail. But yeah, if its to help workers like in your company B scenario I'm totally down...Just scared Company A may be too enticing to some ceos and businesses.

Number1TailzFan17m ago

You can already make your own SFX with text prompts now as well, of course it will lower development cost and time

1Victor9m ago(Edited 7m ago)

WARNING WARNING ‼️ SARCASM AHEAD
Sure Strauss and robots didn’t take jobs from car factories.
Edit:Sad thing is he believes it and unfortunately he won’t be replaced for a long time by AI

jambola2h ago

Ceo says stupid thing
Part 5837384

Zeref54m ago(Edited 54m ago)

I think maybe sometimes we give people in these positions too much credit when it comes to intelligence.

romulus2345m ago

As long as it doesn't effect his inflated executive salary or his ridiculous bonuses I'm sure he's fine with it.

RNTody21m ago

Hahaha yeah trust the CEO suit over the actual developers making the games. Good one.

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Trying to push players over from PC to console is a terrible idea, PlayStation

As PlayStation announces its new strategy to encourage PC users to choose PS5 it is a bitter-sweet moment for PC gamers.

Christopher1d 22h ago

I mean, it's a business based on hardware market. Do we expect them to not even try? It's not like Nintendo doesn't do the same by not putting any games on PC and Microsoft until recently did the same. I don't care what they attempt, as long as they don't abuse the community or lie about their goals/requirements.

Will it work? Not likely. Should we care? No. Let them waste their time, it doesn't affect anything.

RaidenBlack1d 22h ago

let them try ... at the end of the day, we get few extra PC games ... yay ... and also promotes game preservation via PC ... so double yay.

LordoftheCritics1d 5h ago

If only Playstation games provided the ease of pc gaming features.

Primary being very few PS games support m/kb.

Christopher22h ago

If only PC games supported controllers more. Main reason I play primarily on console. So many games have shit support on PC. Playing Dark Envoy now, and it's quite frustrating since I have to switch to keyboard during cut scenes just to make sure advancing conversation doesn't also auto-select a decision. Let alone it's quite rough to select between characters and inventory screens are bad bad bad.

Anywho, similar complaints for both I find. But, I 100% agree that both PC and consoles should support both as best as possible.

crazyCoconuts17h ago

PS may push more kb support in the future to get more PC converts, we'll see.

Flewid63816h ago

As someone with a high end PC, I feel like the ease is on PS5. Too many PC games are a troubleshooting nightmare, which few people have the time for when all you want to do is pop in a game & play it.

Yui_Suzumiya8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

I just use an Xbox controller on my laptop for everything 😆 .. I haven't used a keyboard / mouse combo for PC gaming since 1996

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LordoftheCritics21h ago(Edited 21h ago)

I don't think you understand what I mean by the lack of m/kb support on PS.

Over a thousand titles have PS controller support on PC.

Not even 30 titles have m/kb support on PS5.

Once you are done with the single player title, you'll go back to playing your daily shooter/looter/mmo etc which the pc gamer has mastered with their mouse and keyboard.
Why would any pc gamer make the switch?

jznrpg12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

PC is secondary to PlayStation for them. Mouse and keyboard would affect development. Live service will have it but most single player games aren’t going to have it as PC is not the focus

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Fishy Fingers1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

I wish them the best of luck.

But PC players are often a patient bunch, many will even wait for Epic launcher exclusivity to end until a game comes to Steam.

If they didnt buy the console when its games were exclusive, why would they do it now theyre not?

MrNinosan1d 7h ago

Way more do than you probably think.

ravens521d 7h ago

All you need is that one game that'll make a few switch at a time. Like a game a PC player REALLY wants.

porkChop18h ago

It just doesn't work that way though. Plenty of the best games ever made were never available on PC. That didn't make PC gamers buy consoles to play them. This kind of strategy has never worked in the past and it won't work now. It's fine for PS to hold their games back and release on PC later, but to think that will boost console sales is wishful thinking. All this will accomplish is some double dipping, which is obviously good for business.

JackBNimble18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

People aren't going to switch from pc to ps5, why would anyone do that for a game?
Most sony exclusives aren't all that to begin with, and pc has the option to upgrade what they want when they want it. Having access to some ps5 games, gamepass and steam.

Thinking this would happen is naive

outsider16241d 3h ago

I mean if there's 10 million pc gamers out there...getting atleast just 1 million from there is probably a good thing..right?

romulus231d 1h ago

PC players are not a monolith, I don't know why people keep thinking they speak for the entirety of all PC gamers like they all know each other personally. You think out of the millions of PC gamers not one single person will be impatient?Well Sony is willing to bet there will be. Why would they do it now? People's feelings change and new PC gamers come along all the time that may also feel different about waiting, that's why.

Yui_Suzumiya8h ago

Just like how I'm waiting for Alan Wake II to hit Steam 😆

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-Foxtrot1d 21h ago

PC gamers are just too patient and loyal to their gaming set ups, something they've spent a lot of money on to perfect. They have backlogs of games which many never get round to finishing or get round to at all and will always have other multiplatform releases to keep them going.

Over the many years Sony has published so many awesome titles such as The Last of Us, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Infamous, Killzone, LittleBigPlanet, Dreams, Puppeteer, Resistance, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo, Motor Storm, God of War, Horizon, Ratchet and Clank, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne

If none of those games BEFORE all these PC ports convinced a hardcore PC gamer to get a PS5 console then why on Earth would porting them them to PC now make any difference? All PC gamers now know 100% is that they just have to be patient, which they are good at anyway to get a PS5 game 2 years later.

I get GaaS games or multiplayer focused titles but if people really want to play these games they'd have gotten a PS console years ago.

Crows901d 4h ago

Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer.

Not sure why people are obsessing over his comment...it seems pretty simple to me.

He will do all he can to entice gamers to move to his ecosystem. As you say....exclusives existing hasn't moved many gamers over. But if they get to try them and love the games then they might change their mind about waiting 2 years.

We're in an echo chamber on this site...I've Personally seen people with Xbox and PC setups but no PlayStation. I've also seen people with small PC setups but no console. Not every pc gamer invests thousands and many may decide to put one in the living room.

They're not looking to convince all of players to buy a PlayStation...just a few...and really it is just a PR statement after all...they have to give a reason why single player won't release day 1....not to mention they also have to ensure current PlayStation gamers don't jump ship to PC. It goes both ways and they're ignoring the big L by putting any of their games off their platform.

anast1d 3h ago

"Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer."

Right here

Kakashi Hatake1d 3h ago

PC gamers think tomorrow is promised. Sorry, don't have time for that.

Michiel19891d 2h ago

it's not just about loyalty or sunk cost, pc is an open platform while consoles are closed platforms. If you for example want to mod, you will play on pc, no question about it. Also if you like indie games, steam is a fucking goldmine for that. I've been playing a lot of indie games over the last years and there just seems to be an endless amount of them on steam. Also not having games locked to a certain fps is a prettty big deal for me and I assume a lot of other pc players.

Walalon1d 1h ago

And don't forget steam sales, you can get a ton of games on an awesome price.

badz14916h ago

@Walalon

Sony has been doing sales constantly on the PS Store nowadays.

jznrpg12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

@Walalon Steam sales are basically the same as PS sales. I was going to buy a Steam Deck and I heard about these Steam sales but the games I was interested in were not any cheaper. Indie games were cheap and older AAA were cheap but the same can be said for PS store sales. I didn’t end up getting the Steam Deck as there weren’t any games that I wanted to play that wasn’t already on PS and prices aren’t much different

romulus231d 1h ago

And how do you know out of the millions of PC gamers that not one single person ever went ahead and bought a PlayStation console for one or more of those games? People keep speaking for the entirety of millions of PC gamers like they know them all personally. Here's one example for you, I'm currently typing on a recently purchased PC that cost me over twenty five hundred dollars and is more than capable of running any game including Sony exclusives that come to PC and yet I still bought a PS5 so apparently I'm not patient or loyal enough to my set up, hope it's not mad at me for not being loyal.

jznrpg12h ago

Some of those people will consider getting a PS5 some wont. I was a PC gamer for a long time and I’m a console only gamer now. Everyone’s different.

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helicoptergirl1d 21h ago

Who cares? Then just stay on PC and play the waiting game. No big deal. Sony wins in the end anyway.

Number1TailzFan1d 21h ago

I mean if there's any single player Sony games that I actually want that aren't on PC then I would buy said console to play them on. But the ones that I like that aren't on PC are few and far between anyway so no loss for me.

If I game, it's usually multiplayer titles, otherwise I like playing around with some other software.

Amplitude22h ago(Edited 22h ago)

Astro Bot is the game that just did it for me. I'm gonna have to grab a PS5 again for that.

I did this for Ratchet Rift Apart too but ended up selling the PS5 after getting my plat. Rebought it on PC and other than GoW Ragnarok and Horizon FW (which eventually I could get anyway), I haven't had a reason to downgrade my graphics, controller features, ease of recording, and increase my game costs and monthly subscriptions throughout this entire generation.

I play on a TV with a controller but this has been the absolute worst console gen for both consoles. Never in my life thought I'd be a PC gamer but I've been spoiled by the cheap costs, cross-platform controllers and mostly the unbelievably useful Steam controller config.

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