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Overwatch: A Lifetime Ban is Ridiculous

Lifetime bans without any means of redemption feels too excessive. Punishing players for mistakes they could have made years ago just seems wrong. How should Overwatch handle cheaters? Is a one strike you're out policy the way to do it, or do you have sympathy towards hackers and the like?

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JakeNoseIt2918d ago

Lifetime is too long for anything. People make mistakes, especially in a game with such a kid-friendly aesthetic.

TacticAce2917d ago

Wait a second, did you just say people make mistakes? Someone walking in a bank and robbing it is not a mistake... It was an intended action, premeditated... Yes this is just a game and it is not the same as committing a crime but the same principle holds true here, and the fact that your mind would even think this way shows that there is a problem... Why are teachers/parents not teaching their kids simple basics of right from wrong...

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AnubisG2917d ago

And you don't get to go to jail for a lifetime for robbing a bank. You get a few years depending on many factors than you are free. The punishment should fit the crime. And however intentional it was for someone to rob a bank, later on in life it can be looked upon as a mistake that person made. People make mistakes, intentionally or not a mistake can be made.

Zeromoniker2917d ago

Agreed. It seems that basic rights-and-wrongs are apparently seen by many as 'optional' these days. I think that delivering a clear message with a clearly defined result should that message be ignored is a good thing. I hope to see more of it IMHO.

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jessionpc2917d ago

TacticAce has it 100%

These aren't people walking into the residential industry with a hope and a dream, who make honest mistakes based on economy or location, therefor it doesn't work out like they planned... These are people who are INTENTIONALLY cheating just to get a laugh out of it. They are hurting other people, they don't care, and this, "it's just a game", mentality is absolutely retarded. Location or outlet means NOTHING, peoples hearts and minds and emotions are at play here. Real people, not a tv, "like some retards think", and they should be held accountable for their wrong doings.

Once and cheater, ALWAYS a cheater. Get outa multiplayer, go play Skyrim and mod where it's fun to mod the experience for your tastes.

Utalkin2me2917d ago

@TacticAce

While that is true, if you make a mistake you should be punished. A person doesn't get punished a lifetime for robbing a bank. So that made your whole comment inaccurate.

ravinash2917d ago

Think of it another way...

It's not about punishing the person who did the cheating.
It's about the rest of us including the games publisher who don't want to be involved with the cheater.

InTheZoneAC2916d ago

you can't even teach this...it's called integrity and it shows the overall sad state of these broken minds.

NarooN2916d ago

Some of you are doing some really kindergarten-level mental gymnastics to try to downplay what's going on here. These losers are DELIBERATELY cheating and thus ruining the experiences for other actual people here. It's Blizzard's game and they can enforce whatever rules with whatever stipulations and punishments they so desire. If people don't wanna get perma-banned, then they shouldn't cheat, it's that simple.

kayoss2916d ago

@anubis,
yes you dont go to jail for a life time for robbing a bank, thats why some people go back to robbing banks when they are released.
This is why rapists, murderers, etc.. continue to do what they were doing after leaving prison.

BlackTar1872916d ago

it's a self inflicted disease these kids have been given by the soft bleeding heart PC nonsense of this future generation. not a hrad days work has ever been given to the new kids. O it's hard? Take a break.
The everyone gets a trophy generation is a horrible future we set up.

Servbot412916d ago

If you went to jail for life for armed robbery of a bank, maybe less people would do it, which would be a GOOD thing.

JackBNimble2916d ago (Edited 2916d ago )

TacticAce

Even bank robbers aren't punished for life ... well, most of the time.

@Serbot41
Life sentences have never stopped anyone from commiting crimes or we wouldn't have crime .

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Playable_Gamez2917d ago (Edited 2917d ago )

Cheating is not making a mistake. I don't feel remorse for any cheaters getting banned for life.

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Liqu1d2916d ago

No. Cheating isn't a "mistake", it is 100% deliberate and cheaters don't deserve to play online with others. If you don't want to get banned then don't cheat, no excuses.

Freeball2916d ago

Lifetime ban is the consequence Blizzard decided on for their game. You may not agree with it, but it's their game and they set the rules. If you don't like it, don't cheat or don't play. You have that choice, just like it was their choice to lifetime ban anyone that breaks their rules.

Basic rule of life: Not everything will be the way you want it to be. Learn to deal with it.

JackBNimble2916d ago

The article states that thousands have been permanently banned , that is thousands of people out $60 . Now you may think that's fair enough but I am sure the people who lost their money don't think so. All I am saying really is if Blizzard is going to permanently ban people , they are going fined themselves in an ugly mess . Unless they decide to refund Peoples money that is or fined another way to deter cheaters with out perma bans .
You get enough of these people together and you have a class action law suit and I highly doubt that the terms and service agreement actually allows blizzard to take thousands of customers money and the permanently ban them. I don't think everything in a terms of service agreement is legally binding .

Okan-Ru2916d ago

so i take it if i find out where you live, go to your home and try to kill one of your family members. i just made a mistake? No. your scenario only works if people only "accidentally" do something wrong. Which is not the case majority of the time. Most people when doing something wrong are intentionally doing it. It would be silly and naive to suggest that a murderer who killed your family member who "made a mistake" that only implies if it was an accident. If there was intention behind the killing like, for the pleasure of hurting others, or they wanted something like money or whatever then it was no accident and no "mistake" in the situation. I can make a mistake and accidentally drop a small wood crate on your feet or spill milk on your shirt for example that would be an example of making a mistake/accident. etc.

you can generally tell if they are doing things with intentions of doing something versus if it was an actual accident/mistake they made.

the same principles holds true here. Someone does not just "Accidentally" download third party software in order to evade an Anti-cheat system in place and/or gain a competitive advantage against other players whatever there reason for doing so is.

In short, your argument that "people make mistakes and therefore should be excused/given a second chance" is flawed. and would lead to justifications for even the most serious of crimes. like robbing, rape or murder or fraud.

xPaYDaYx2916d ago

Are you kidding me? Make mistakes lol? "Oops sorry Blizzard, I accidentally downloaded and ran some illegal software that was modifying the way your game was working. 許してください" GTFO of here with that.

supes_242916d ago (Edited 2916d ago )

Not too harsh if you knew he rules and decided to break them anyway. Besides, why cheat in a game? It's a damn game, meant to challenge you and make you think and come up with different tactics. Cheaters aren't good at anything in life and nobody likes a cheater besides like minded losers. They are the bottom of the barrel gamers. Life time ban is warranted, no matter your age. If you didn't learn your lesson at an early age not to cheat from sports and parents, I guess leave it up to a game developer to teach your dunbass how to have good sportsmanship.

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Shillmeister2918d ago

The example given in the article is perfect of why a permanent ban is a bit over the top, but simultaneously it does set a precedent that cheating is not allowed nor will be tolerated. Especially in a multiplayer game cheating sucks! So it's a hard one to call

Goldby2917d ago

No its not. If people are actively going online to doenload and buy hacks they knew exactly what they were doing. And they should be banned

Utalkin2me2917d ago

So by that thinking. If a kid cheats on his test, he should automatically be banned from school his whole life?

Goldby2916d ago

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No. If a kid cheats on a test in schools hes penalized for it. Normally a zero which can effect them. The easy route is rarely the good route

Nineball21122916d ago

"So by that thinking. If a kid cheats on his test, he should automatically be banned from school his whole life?"

Really? I mean, really??? lol

Talk about false analogies.

Ra3v3r2916d ago

@utalkin2me

Kid won't get banned from school but he won't be able to sit the exams which is potentially as bad as a life sentence.

I'm pretty happy with the hardline stance on cheating - if you're gonna do it be prepared for the consequences. Don't wanna waste the £50 you've just spent, don't do it. I also don't care if its a kid or an adult. If it's an adult they should know better, if it's a kid, then hopefully it's something that can teach them that taking shortcuts and being dishonest can have a negative impact on them.

Also a lifetime ban is nothing really unless you plan on never leaving the basement as address changes, new bank accounts, different web providers, completely new PC's and many other things that happen as we grow older mean there will be a way to get access to that content again, just not on that Blizzard account. You burned that one...

Volkama2916d ago (Edited 2916d ago )

Are you also quite happy to accept that you have no ownership or rights to play the games that you have bought?

A lot of the people posting to support these lifetime bans have previously been adamant that we should fight against any publisher that tries to encroach on our consumer rights. Now suddenly they're happy to see publishers have total control over our ability to play our own games.

Personally I've accepted online only games and all the rights issues attached a long time ago, but it's surprising to see the topic dismissed like it's not even worth a discussion when people are usually so adamant and vocal about it.

DeusEx-Machina2916d ago (Edited 2916d ago )

@Utalkin2me

If a kid cheats during a test, he fails the test and is awarded no points. He doesn't get to write the test again and the result will affect the end-results of the entire year. The only thing he can do is to learn from it and try not to cheat in the next test.

So by that analogy, someone who cheated in a game and gets banned should learn from it and try not cheat in the next game he plays.

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dudeOplenty2916d ago

@Utalkin2me

Expulsion is standard practice for plagiarism and cheating at many colleges and universities. You will most likely be "banned for life" from all credible schools.

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Gardenia2917d ago

You think players accidentally use hacks and cheating in multiplayer? Every developer should ban players instantly, it is ruining other gamers fun

gepugg2918d ago

Something needs to be done and it's the only way people will learn.

thomasprince23262918d ago

A life time ban is far to excessive.

Playable_Gamez2917d ago

For cheating and attempting to break the game? No it's not.

ravinash2917d ago

If the person is warned up front that they will be banned for life and they do it anyway.... they deserve all they get.

SUCKxITxEZ2916d ago

I would say sacrificing other peoples time who are playing fair is far to excessive for someone that just sucks at video games.

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Every PlayStation Studios game available now on Windows PC

Windows Central writes: "Many PlayStation Studios games that are ported to PC get dedicated PS5 DualSense support, which allows users to experience haptic feedback and adaptive trigger support without actually having to own a PS5.

According to Hermen Hulst, head of PlayStation Studios, it's still the company's intent to launch the bigger single-player games on PS5 first, before later bringing the games to PC. This might not be the case for multiplayer games however, which are considered okay to launch simultaneously on console and PC."

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My guess is after god of war. Probably last of us 2 that's a almost 4 year old game now and by the time it's released on pc it will be more than 4 years old or close to 5.

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Former Activision studio Toys for Bob partners with Xbox to publish its first game as an indie

Former Activision studio Toys for Bob partners with Xbox to publish its first game as an indie. This is something of a homecoming, as Microsoft owns Activision.

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Obscure_Observer16h ago

Very very early in development. Still, fantastic news!

Let´s GO!!!

Lightning7714h ago

I guess.

How come they didnt either let them go or sell Tango and others to another publisher? Not saying Ubisoft, EA would be any better. (Capcome would of treated them right )

At least it wouldn't be MS of all ppl destroying them.

MS really should let go Tango go like they did TFB here.

darthv7214h ago(Edited 14h ago)

one was under Bethesda (Tango) the other under Activision (TFB). Clearly each one handled the separations of their subordinates differently.

Obscure_Observer13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

"How come they didnt either let them go or sell Tango and others to another publisher? Not saying Ubisoft, EA would be any better. (Capcome would of treated them right )"

Perhaps because Zenimax and ABK handles such matters differently based on their own internal policies as "independent" publishers.

Whoever, chances are it´s simply because MS didn´t wanted Tango or Austin to be acquired by competitors and develop new bangers for them, giving MS a bad rep in a possible future. Which could also be the reason why they ensured an exclusive partnership with TFB and its new game, before anyone else.

Sad and disgusting. But it is what it is.

Lightning779h ago(Edited 9h ago)

"Whoever, chances are it´s simply because MS didn´t wanted Tango or Austin to be acquired by competitors and develop new bangers for them, giving MS a bad rep in a possible future."

MS has a bad rep now because those studios are no more. I rather them sell the studio continue to make multiplatform releases, while MS continues to focus on whatever they're doing. If they didn't want Tango around they should separated from them or sell them to, like they did TFB.

It's inexcusable, they have options on how to handle studios they don't want anymore with killing jobs. Not just MS but the rest of the industry also.

Sad and disgusting sure how many will get shut down next year or this year even?

I don't trust MS decisions and motivations at this point. You have to admit they make one dumb move after another.

Obscure_Observer2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

"MS has a bad rep now because those studios are no more. I rather them sell the studio continue to make multiplatform releases, while MS continues to focus on whatever they're doing. If they didn't want Tango around they should separated from them or sell them to, like they did TFB."

Imo, MS separated from TFB because they didn´t had a game associated with Xbox yet, unlike Tango.

"I don't trust MS decisions and motivations at this point. You have to admit they make one dumb move after another."

Fair enough. It was indeed an epic dumb move from them to close Tango.

Still, all to be forgotten, like always have. This is not the first time a big publisher shuts down a beloved and/or successful studio out of nowhere and certainly won´t be the last. Do you remember Lionhead? Do you remember Evolution Studios? Yeah... both were beloved studios and yet, those companies kill those studios in q blink of an eye and got away with it.

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Manages to buy their freedom especially after all the shit Microsoft has been doing with its studios lately

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Goes right back to them as partners.

Okaaaaaay...

darthv7214h ago

Id venture a guess that TFB working directly with MS was a better outcome than working through Activision to get to MS.

VersusDMC12h ago

From the article...

"Toys for Bob spun out as an indie back in February after Microsoft instituted sweeping layoffs that impacted 86 employees, which was more than half of the staff"

I doubt those 86 employees enjoyed the Microsoft experience over Activisions.

Inverno11h ago

MS shuts down studios because of lack of resources and then helps these guys by giving em resources. Also MS is what forced them to buy their freedom in the first place? What kind of logic 😂

Chevalier8h ago

The best thing is that the company that is worth $3 trillion and owns the company instead of Xbox lacks resources. How the hell does a company worth $3 trillion making a measly $70 billion purchase they 'can't' support. Lol

Sciurus_vulgaris14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

Xbox’s gaming division seems to still function as 3 semi-autonomous sub-divisions, Xbox Studios, Bethesda and ABK. The three main sub-divisions can seemingly shut down or build studios and set up partnerships independently. This would explain why Bethesda can recently shutdown studios, while ABK spins off one studio, while building a new one. Plus, Toys for Bob could be spun off by ABK, only to immediately re-partner with Microsoft.

Chevalier8h ago

That's absolutely 💯 BS. Any sane 'autonomous' company would NOT put their games on Gamepass day 1 like COD will lose probably billions.

Also they're all under Xbox game studios so any autonomy is an illusion.

Elda8h ago

Either a kiddie game or something uninteresting.

Obscure_Observer2h ago

Don´t worry. You won´t be playing it anyway since their next game will possible be a next gen Xbox console game.

Elda48m ago(Edited 47m ago)

Don't worry about my comments.

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The Outerhaven writes: While Steam has come out recently, stating that Steam accounts can't be transferred, we need to think about it since we all will eventually kick the bucket. But if Valve is denying transferring accounts, what can be done? Plenty, actually.

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It goes to my kids because I gave them the passwords.

To Steam: Missio has a song that conveys my feelings about you stealing my purchase after I die. It's called "Middle Fingers"

shinoff218322h ago

Pretty much. My son knows my info.

Abear2122h ago

Yeah worrying about digital ownership when you’re on the other side of the grass seems a little strange, but also on brand for these millennial journalists to worry about.

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I'm sure Keith will be happy to hear he's a millennial journalist.

Goodguy011d 2h ago

I suppose if I have kids, I'd just give em my account details by retirement age. If I die young then...idk lol.

CrimsonWing6923h ago

Yea, I mean just give someone the password to your account. Is that difficult to do or something? Like, I’m legit asking because I don’t know.

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It's not difficult but It's against the policy. If they find out, they will lock the account permanently.

CrimsonWing6920h ago

Ah ok, I had a feeling there was something like that. It seems kind of weird that you can’t just hand your account over to a family member or friend and let them take over the account.

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