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Overwatch: A Lifetime Ban is Ridiculous

Lifetime bans without any means of redemption feels too excessive. Punishing players for mistakes they could have made years ago just seems wrong. How should Overwatch handle cheaters? Is a one strike you're out policy the way to do it, or do you have sympathy towards hackers and the like?

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2903d ago Replies(7)
JakeNoseIt2902d ago

Lifetime is too long for anything. People make mistakes, especially in a game with such a kid-friendly aesthetic.

TacticAce2902d ago

Wait a second, did you just say people make mistakes? Someone walking in a bank and robbing it is not a mistake... It was an intended action, premeditated... Yes this is just a game and it is not the same as committing a crime but the same principle holds true here, and the fact that your mind would even think this way shows that there is a problem... Why are teachers/parents not teaching their kids simple basics of right from wrong...

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AnubisG2901d ago

And you don't get to go to jail for a lifetime for robbing a bank. You get a few years depending on many factors than you are free. The punishment should fit the crime. And however intentional it was for someone to rob a bank, later on in life it can be looked upon as a mistake that person made. People make mistakes, intentionally or not a mistake can be made.

Zeromoniker2901d ago

Agreed. It seems that basic rights-and-wrongs are apparently seen by many as 'optional' these days. I think that delivering a clear message with a clearly defined result should that message be ignored is a good thing. I hope to see more of it IMHO.

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jessionpc2901d ago

TacticAce has it 100%

These aren't people walking into the residential industry with a hope and a dream, who make honest mistakes based on economy or location, therefor it doesn't work out like they planned... These are people who are INTENTIONALLY cheating just to get a laugh out of it. They are hurting other people, they don't care, and this, "it's just a game", mentality is absolutely retarded. Location or outlet means NOTHING, peoples hearts and minds and emotions are at play here. Real people, not a tv, "like some retards think", and they should be held accountable for their wrong doings.

Once and cheater, ALWAYS a cheater. Get outa multiplayer, go play Skyrim and mod where it's fun to mod the experience for your tastes.

Utalkin2me2901d ago

@TacticAce

While that is true, if you make a mistake you should be punished. A person doesn't get punished a lifetime for robbing a bank. So that made your whole comment inaccurate.

ravinash2901d ago

Think of it another way...

It's not about punishing the person who did the cheating.
It's about the rest of us including the games publisher who don't want to be involved with the cheater.

InTheZoneAC2901d ago

you can't even teach this...it's called integrity and it shows the overall sad state of these broken minds.

NarooN2901d ago

Some of you are doing some really kindergarten-level mental gymnastics to try to downplay what's going on here. These losers are DELIBERATELY cheating and thus ruining the experiences for other actual people here. It's Blizzard's game and they can enforce whatever rules with whatever stipulations and punishments they so desire. If people don't wanna get perma-banned, then they shouldn't cheat, it's that simple.

kayoss2901d ago

@anubis,
yes you dont go to jail for a life time for robbing a bank, thats why some people go back to robbing banks when they are released.
This is why rapists, murderers, etc.. continue to do what they were doing after leaving prison.

BlackTar1872901d ago

it's a self inflicted disease these kids have been given by the soft bleeding heart PC nonsense of this future generation. not a hrad days work has ever been given to the new kids. O it's hard? Take a break.
The everyone gets a trophy generation is a horrible future we set up.

Servbot412901d ago

If you went to jail for life for armed robbery of a bank, maybe less people would do it, which would be a GOOD thing.

JackBNimble2901d ago (Edited 2901d ago )

TacticAce

Even bank robbers aren't punished for life ... well, most of the time.

@Serbot41
Life sentences have never stopped anyone from commiting crimes or we wouldn't have crime .

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Playable_Gamez2901d ago (Edited 2901d ago )

Cheating is not making a mistake. I don't feel remorse for any cheaters getting banned for life.

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Liqu1d2901d ago

No. Cheating isn't a "mistake", it is 100% deliberate and cheaters don't deserve to play online with others. If you don't want to get banned then don't cheat, no excuses.

Freeball2901d ago

Lifetime ban is the consequence Blizzard decided on for their game. You may not agree with it, but it's their game and they set the rules. If you don't like it, don't cheat or don't play. You have that choice, just like it was their choice to lifetime ban anyone that breaks their rules.

Basic rule of life: Not everything will be the way you want it to be. Learn to deal with it.

JackBNimble2901d ago

The article states that thousands have been permanently banned , that is thousands of people out $60 . Now you may think that's fair enough but I am sure the people who lost their money don't think so. All I am saying really is if Blizzard is going to permanently ban people , they are going fined themselves in an ugly mess . Unless they decide to refund Peoples money that is or fined another way to deter cheaters with out perma bans .
You get enough of these people together and you have a class action law suit and I highly doubt that the terms and service agreement actually allows blizzard to take thousands of customers money and the permanently ban them. I don't think everything in a terms of service agreement is legally binding .

Okan-Ru2901d ago

so i take it if i find out where you live, go to your home and try to kill one of your family members. i just made a mistake? No. your scenario only works if people only "accidentally" do something wrong. Which is not the case majority of the time. Most people when doing something wrong are intentionally doing it. It would be silly and naive to suggest that a murderer who killed your family member who "made a mistake" that only implies if it was an accident. If there was intention behind the killing like, for the pleasure of hurting others, or they wanted something like money or whatever then it was no accident and no "mistake" in the situation. I can make a mistake and accidentally drop a small wood crate on your feet or spill milk on your shirt for example that would be an example of making a mistake/accident. etc.

you can generally tell if they are doing things with intentions of doing something versus if it was an actual accident/mistake they made.

the same principles holds true here. Someone does not just "Accidentally" download third party software in order to evade an Anti-cheat system in place and/or gain a competitive advantage against other players whatever there reason for doing so is.

In short, your argument that "people make mistakes and therefore should be excused/given a second chance" is flawed. and would lead to justifications for even the most serious of crimes. like robbing, rape or murder or fraud.

xPaYDaYx2901d ago

Are you kidding me? Make mistakes lol? "Oops sorry Blizzard, I accidentally downloaded and ran some illegal software that was modifying the way your game was working. 許してください" GTFO of here with that.

supes_242901d ago (Edited 2901d ago )

Not too harsh if you knew he rules and decided to break them anyway. Besides, why cheat in a game? It's a damn game, meant to challenge you and make you think and come up with different tactics. Cheaters aren't good at anything in life and nobody likes a cheater besides like minded losers. They are the bottom of the barrel gamers. Life time ban is warranted, no matter your age. If you didn't learn your lesson at an early age not to cheat from sports and parents, I guess leave it up to a game developer to teach your dunbass how to have good sportsmanship.

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Shillmeister2902d ago

The example given in the article is perfect of why a permanent ban is a bit over the top, but simultaneously it does set a precedent that cheating is not allowed nor will be tolerated. Especially in a multiplayer game cheating sucks! So it's a hard one to call

Goldby2901d ago

No its not. If people are actively going online to doenload and buy hacks they knew exactly what they were doing. And they should be banned

Utalkin2me2901d ago

So by that thinking. If a kid cheats on his test, he should automatically be banned from school his whole life?

Goldby2901d ago

@youtalkingtome

No. If a kid cheats on a test in schools hes penalized for it. Normally a zero which can effect them. The easy route is rarely the good route

Nineball21122901d ago

"So by that thinking. If a kid cheats on his test, he should automatically be banned from school his whole life?"

Really? I mean, really??? lol

Talk about false analogies.

Ra3v3r2901d ago

@utalkin2me

Kid won't get banned from school but he won't be able to sit the exams which is potentially as bad as a life sentence.

I'm pretty happy with the hardline stance on cheating - if you're gonna do it be prepared for the consequences. Don't wanna waste the £50 you've just spent, don't do it. I also don't care if its a kid or an adult. If it's an adult they should know better, if it's a kid, then hopefully it's something that can teach them that taking shortcuts and being dishonest can have a negative impact on them.

Also a lifetime ban is nothing really unless you plan on never leaving the basement as address changes, new bank accounts, different web providers, completely new PC's and many other things that happen as we grow older mean there will be a way to get access to that content again, just not on that Blizzard account. You burned that one...

Volkama2901d ago (Edited 2901d ago )

Are you also quite happy to accept that you have no ownership or rights to play the games that you have bought?

A lot of the people posting to support these lifetime bans have previously been adamant that we should fight against any publisher that tries to encroach on our consumer rights. Now suddenly they're happy to see publishers have total control over our ability to play our own games.

Personally I've accepted online only games and all the rights issues attached a long time ago, but it's surprising to see the topic dismissed like it's not even worth a discussion when people are usually so adamant and vocal about it.

DeusEx-Machina2901d ago (Edited 2901d ago )

@Utalkin2me

If a kid cheats during a test, he fails the test and is awarded no points. He doesn't get to write the test again and the result will affect the end-results of the entire year. The only thing he can do is to learn from it and try not to cheat in the next test.

So by that analogy, someone who cheated in a game and gets banned should learn from it and try not cheat in the next game he plays.

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dudeOplenty2901d ago

@Utalkin2me

Expulsion is standard practice for plagiarism and cheating at many colleges and universities. You will most likely be "banned for life" from all credible schools.

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Gardenia2901d ago

You think players accidentally use hacks and cheating in multiplayer? Every developer should ban players instantly, it is ruining other gamers fun

gepugg2902d ago

Something needs to be done and it's the only way people will learn.

thomasprince23262902d ago

A life time ban is far to excessive.

Playable_Gamez2901d ago

For cheating and attempting to break the game? No it's not.

ravinash2901d ago

If the person is warned up front that they will be banned for life and they do it anyway.... they deserve all they get.

SUCKxITxEZ2900d ago

I would say sacrificing other peoples time who are playing fair is far to excessive for someone that just sucks at video games.

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Square Enix Is Going Multiplatform; The Layoffs & Its Past Don't Inspire Confidence

After its latest games didn't meet sales targets, Square Enix is going multiplatform but the company's track record isn't convincing.

Scissorman5h ago

Square Enix been multiplatform for decades, a few exclusively-deals doesn't make them any less multiplatform.

fr0sty5h ago

Nor is selling their games on a console with only 25 million install base going to bring their sales to where they hope they will be... Unless they somehow manage to dumb down FF7 trilogy to work on switch, they aren't going to have much luck. They already released it on PC, after all.

SegaSaturn6695h ago

It kind of does, giving preference to a certain platform by timed exclusivity. Console ports generally feel superior. Legend of mana PC port extremely broken

neutralgamer19924h ago

Sega

It doesn’t when square themselves didn’t want to fund the development of remake. It’s only after the success of the 1st they realized their mistake but now contract is signed. If it wasn’t for Sony there would be no FF7 remakes. Same goes for silent hill 2 with Konami. They don’t want to fund AAA budget. Companies like PlayStation and Nintendo get blamed when in reality they are saving some of these franchises

Remember sega didn’t want to fund bayonetta and epic games didn’t want to fund another gears of war. It’s easy to blame console makers but they are the ones taking the risk and paying huge upfront costs without seeing the final product. FF7 remake trilogy won’t be coming to Xbox now or in the future. PlayStation and PC is what square signed up for. Sony paid them more than they would make from Xbox sales.

ravens524h ago

I just wonder when everyone is going to demand that the Square Enix exclusives with Nintendo come to PS and Xbox. Or it's just the PS exclusives that matter lol

phoenixwing4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

I'd love for the nintendo exclusives to come to pc or ps5. They'd actually be playable then.

neutralgamer19924h ago

Raven

Exactly and that’s where square enix does more exclusive than any other platform. Gaming is square has always been very unrealistic with their sales expectations. Remember when tomb raider reboot sold 7.5 million and square said it wasn’t enough. They need to spend less on development and have more realistic expectations from sales.

And those thinking games being not on Xbox makes a difference don’t understand we have a decade plus of data showing square enix games having less than 20% of their multiplatform sales on Xbox (final fantasy series) and Nintendo consoles aren’t strong enough to run any current games. Nintendo switch should be as strong as Xbox one x atleast but we all know that’s most likely won’t happen

RoadRacer3h ago

@raven

thing is, as neutral said in their comm, the switch isn't strong enough to run flagship SE games
i think what SE does is, it makes unique games for switch only so that it has something for that console too. Thats where all the "underlined sans" rpgs go to mostly

maybe things will change when Swtich 2 drops cuz that's gonna be as strong as ps4 afaik from the rumors flying around

TheGamingHounds4h ago

@Scissorman

Your point is valid enough but when the icon of this company is limited to one console in timed-exclusivity, it means the company has crossed the line. By some degree at least

All things aside, Square itself stated "aggressive multiplatform strategies" so we all know what it's talking about

Scissorman1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Then the headline should read "Square To Drop Exclusively Deals in Pursuit of A Sweeping Multiplatform Strategy". I don't recall this argument when Square Enix released Bravely Default, Octopath Traveler, and Triangle Strategy on one platform. And even if FF is the icon, not all of its titles have gone to one platform. We're talking about three games, one of which is already on PC. Did Square suddenly go 'multiplatform' after it released subsequent Tomb Raider sequels on more than just the Xbox? It's just a silly way of putting it.

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TheGamingHounds4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

SE needs to go all in optimization. Broken PC ports won't help its case, especially with big releases like mainline Final Fantasy

Asterphoenix4h ago

It's actually simple. What doesn't inspire confidence is Square allocating their budgets on the wrong projects such as Forspoken, Avengers, Babylons Fall and Foamstars.

Square has always been multiplatform since PS3/360 days which 80 % of their games are. People kick up a fuss over PS exclusivity but not Nintendo which has more exclusive projects console exclusive from Square.

FF16 has done ok but not enough to fix the blunders that the past mistakes Square has made with some of their projects. FF7 Rebirth is unclear we'll see a PC release for sure so it's hard to say so far not as good as they would of liked.

Then again unrealistic expectations. If it weren't for Sony these games would at least had another 2 years development time. So some people need to be realistic in that regard.

Scissorman1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

It's the blunders that set those expectations so high. If you remove those from the equation, I bet the sales numbers would be more than stellar. Square believes it's okay to release a pile of risky, middling, garbage because the big boys will ultimately subsidize the cost. Don't worry if Forspoken sells poorly, FF16 will surely sell 10 million copies to balance that right out. Oh wait, it only sold like 4 million. Well that's a disaster. Meanwhile games that sell 2 million units with comparable budgets are deemed successful.

RoadRacer3h ago

Square Enix just really need to revise its expectations. Maybe consider a change in strategy on dev end as well. Multiplat will help for sure but only good games that are marketed well will sell

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How the names Arrowhead Game Studios and Helldivers 2 came to be

Arrowhead Game Studios CEO Johan Pilestedt explains how the studio name comes from a name translation, plus the background on the game title “Helldivers.”

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Rockstar Games Founder's New Studio Is Working On AAA Open World Action Adventure Game

Rockstar Games founder Dan Houser's new studio, Absurd Ventures, is currently working on a AAA open world action adventure game.

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porkChop1d 8h ago

I'm really curious to see what he's going to do. It seems like a GTA-style game, but I wonder how it'll differentiate itself.

Goodguy0120h ago(Edited 20h ago)

A new studio making a AAA game. Yea, that'll go well. I still think new studios should only make small games for a few years to build up teamwork and trust within.

shinoff218319h ago

That's a good point but if they have the talent it may not be needed

Mr_cheese18h ago

And the industry experience like this guy clearly does

anast17h ago

If it weren't one of the founder's of one of the most prolific open-world game studios, I would agree.

EazyC15h ago

That is an interesting point. They should gun for something akin to a great PS3 game imo. The resource cost of say RDR 2 would only EVER be possible by a monolithic titan of an organisation. It would be crazy to even try and compete straight away.