Engadget writes: "Are we, like, in a movie right now?" It's an apt question one of the handsome teens starring in PlayStation 4's latest exclusive, Until Dawn, asked about an hour after I picked up the controller. Yes. No. Maybe. It's kind of hard to explain, and it appears Sony would rather not. At its core, Until Dawn is an interactive teen-horror movie (think '90s genre staples Scream or I Know What You Did Last Summer) set at a remote ski lodge where a murderous psychopath is on the loose. But after critics almost universally chastised Sony's other AAA tentpole, The Order: 1886, earlier this year for its gorgeous but bland cinematic leanings, "interactive movie" is a label the gaming juggernaut would rather not bandy about here.
In fact, Sony would prefer you not pay attention to this game at all. It's getting no love from the company's marketing department and was weirdly absent from this June's E3 media briefing. And that's a damned shame because Until Dawn is one of the best horror experiences -- interactive or not -- I've ever had.
Until Dawn is getting a remake which always felt like an odd choice since the original still looks pretty good, is it worth the upgrade?
Not really… they just couldn’t be bothered with making a sequel? This original is already available on PS5 and for the cheap. This just seems kind of pointless and I’m not seeing anything that screams next-gen remake to me, but if you’re a fan of it and looking forward to this, more power to ya’
Dark Pictures Anthology games didn't exactly sell well, but they were much lower budget games that reused assets all over the place.
Its probably safe to assume that this remake - which will also presumably reuse but improve assets from the original - is a test bed to see if a high budget sequel is actually financially viable. Also brings in people who never played it when it released 9 years ago.
I'm just spit balling but it makes sense.
Ill be buying it like I do all their games haha obviously I'd rather a sequel but I totally get it.
Even if their was. Actual work was put into this. Companies that give it away were doing it and thanked for it. Or they were doing it cause they fked up really bad Ala cyberpunk
Also you have to be mistaken cause the last of us is a straight up remake, mad work was put into that. You also didn't have buy it or anything to play the ps4 version. It was also one of the best games for awhile and it's certainly better then anything the other high end console has put out in a very long time if ever
PlayStation Plus has improved the split of PS4 and PS5 players on its priciest tiers, but Sony continues to hide total subscriber numbers.
Uh...They're definitely not equivalent.
"Microsoft’s Xbox Game Pass service now has 34 million subscribers."
"the total number of PS Plus subscribers across all tiers was 47.4 million"
That PSN number seems like it should be much higher... especially when you consider that PS4 alone has a sell through of over 117m. To not even be at least half that is rather interesting.
To the XB side, having 34m to an install base of roughly 50m (XBO sell through) or even 85m (360 sell through) is a greater percentage of unit to member ratio than PSN.
darthv72
"That PSN number seems like it should be much higher... especially when you consider that PS4 alone has a sell through of over 117m. To not even be at least half that is rather interesting.
To the XB side, having 34m to an install base of roughly 50m (XBO sell through) or even 85m (360 sell through) is a greater percentage of unit to member ratio than PSN."
Have you ever heard of a PC before? I hear they are pretty popular.
What. Definitely more os plus subscribers but that makes sense due to actual console sales
Darth the difference between the bases are huge your right but you gotta think. Ps players buy more games, where as the Xbox base relies on gamepass for their gaming. So it makes perfect sense
What makes perfect sense though? You say PS players buy more games... so then logically there should be more PS+ subscribers given the increased number of online multiplayer games in the PS4 generation alone. The PS4 was the first time that + was required for online play much like Gold was for 360 users.
Keep in mind we are talking subscribers, not simply XB/PS users. I assume you meant to say offline single player games, which is most likely true as well. That gen also saw a significant increase in games with an online component comparted to the previous gen.
I for one will be going back to essential at the next renewal. When I feel a game is good & right up my alley, I’ll check trusted reviews & just buy it.
I have the top tier until 2028 as they gave me a massive discount for all the years I had left but I’ll most likely go to essential as well. I buy my games but my kids do use the service occasionally. They do prefer to own their games as well since any game can leave the rental service at some point and they don’t like that idea. They mostly use it to demo games then ask me to buy games if they really like it.
For me, I will cancel it all together but unfortunately I still have it till 2030 lol
I would like to see Sony add a fourth tier of PS Plus for people who just want to be able to play games online without any of the perks like monthly games, store discounts, or anything like that, and it should cost $20 annually, $30 maximum. There’s no way I’m paying $80 just to play games online. Even the original $60 fee was too much, and I would often wait for sales to re-up my subscription.
Essential is too expensive, I agree. We’ve got one Essential and one Premium sub. Dropping the Premium when it expires.
Just let my subscription lapse for the first time since 2010. Will sub again every now and then for a month or so to access my old ps+ games but for me it's the end of an era.
Let those numbers continue to drop because it is now too expensive. $80 per year just to play online. I noticed they didn't offer any discounts on the subscription or controllers during this year's days of play for the first time in many years and they will feel it when people choose not to renew.
My subscription will lapse next month and it will stay that way until further notice.
There were savings on subs and controllers here in the UK? I bought a controller yesterday in the sale..
It would be weird if those deals were not in other territories too?
Sony Interactive Entertainment's upcoming single-player PC games like God of War Ragnarok and Until Dawn will require a PSN account.
Sony will lose support and money from 177 countries that support Steam but do not support PSN!
Tell me about stupidity, I'll tell you Sony.
Its concern is to increase the number of PSN subscribers, at the expense of profit and
More sales for their games from 177 countries.
Thing is it’s free to create an account (for pc players)
So they don’t need essential / extra / premium tiers, there is literally no good reason. Stupid but I don’t know the ins-and-outs but I can imagine it’s just a dumb reason
Ohh actually maybe it’s to combat piracy, so the game will not launch unless you have psn, then Sonys server end would validate if it’s a real copy or a cracked one
That could be it
Ding ding ding. Your edit brought the answer. Lol
Sony wants to validate their games on PC so that they know who's legit and who stole them. I understand Prince in that we have too many accounts we have to make. And it's a slippery slope. Like ported Xbox games to PlayStation will require a Microsoft account. Besides the already Ubisoft accounts and Epic accounts. Hard to keep up with all these names and passwords.
But you figured it out.
so you are saying it's another DRM? And is it always online? even though it's single player offline game?
Its free... sure. The main issue are the countries that are not on the list to select when creating the account. And I don't think Sony allows nearest neighbor, where you pick the one closest to you that is supported. People can obviously pick any country they want from the list, but that then becomes saddled to them going forward. Personally my country is supported, and I have not felt the need to change it so I dont even know if you can after the fact. If I were to move to an unsupported country... would the games even work if it detects me playing it from one when I am registered in the other?
This all stems from the whole Helldivers fiasco. Countries that support steam, and let them buy it and play only to have them cut off because their country was not officially part of the PSN account creation which was later enforced after the fact.
I believe every Sony single player game has leaked online the same day it releases. Needing a psn account to play the game legally isn't gonna change the fact it'll be pirated same day.
They'll find out sadly that most of their games are pirated, Ghosts of Tsushima over 500k people downloading it not on Steam, It sold below 70k on Steam.
Black tiger, we all know games are stolen all the time on PC. Stolen to play. Stolen and emulated to play older system's games. The only way to stop it or slow it down is to have some type of security measure.
They're businesses. They have every right to protect what they make. PC gamers don't have ANY right to steal it.
There's a grey area when it comes to games purchased and the companies make your purchase unplayable through updates it closing servers. And we decide to take measures in our own hands to continue playing what was rightfully purchased by downloading it modding the code. But it's still theft.
Some gamers don't like the measures because they want the option to steal. Not everyone does. But many on PC do. That's just the reality. You can hide from the truth. But the truth is still there.
What good does it do to create an account (with fake information from another country) if the game isnt released in Steam in that country anyway?
Or are you expecting people to also have to create another steam account in another country in order to link it to the PSN account they now have to make, just to be able to play Sony games?
Its a dumb and unnecessary situation, simple as that
You make a good point about piracy. Still weird Sony is the only one under fire about this even though they aren't alone, ea, ubisoft, Microsoft, etc. I don't know why Sony doesn't sell in those countries, but it's their prerogative.
I understand the account thing but you're way off on the subscriber thing.
@prince
I agree and i see the defenders are here
Once again everyone you need real information to make a psn account so you can only have one account you loose that then you loose all your playstation digital games and have bricked consoles.
The use of programs like vpns are a banable offense to sony and like so many other companies are monitoring your chat/activity via ai bots.
You should not half to buy a game then fill out a form like your buying a gun just to play a single player game.
Every other launcher like ea/ubi/rstar/acti/blizzard/bet h You just need a email address/password acti has on some game the bs phone # crap or unless your going to buy something then yeah real info. But sony like i said you need to give everything but a nude selfie/dna sample but that will be for psvr 4 and or ps6.
You're full of bs. I literally just made a fake psn account in el salvador and i had no issues. All i did was google map an address and a zip code and voila, psn account. Did not need to add any personal information.
Where does it state you need ps+ to play online on steam? You're being purposefully hyperbolic and dishonest or just stupid in order to spin outrage because you hate sony for very dumb reasons.
choo choo here comes the sony blind boys
I never said you need psplus for steam never
I also said sense 2023 again 2023
But i get it its sony they do 0 wrong
“…you need to give everything but a nude selfie/dna sample”
Nobody wants your dna. I promise you.
"...you need real information to make a psn account so you can only have one account you loose that then you loose all your playstation digital games and have bricked consoles."
It's one thing to be a hater but it's another to be full of crap.
1. I have multiple accounts in 4 countries for several reasons. And making the PSN accounts is free.
2. Lose your account, you lose everything associated with that account? Wow...like every other accounts too? WTH are you on about?
Though I agree with you it sucks to have to create an account - literally not a single thing that you said was true.
-You don't need real information.
-You can have any number of accounts.
-Its rare to lose a PSN account, but the game is still tied to Steam no matter how you slice it. Once you have it, your game can't be taken away by anybody but Valve.
-You won't be banned for playing a single player game with a VPN on.
--There is no form or ID required.
-The Sony "form" requires the exact same details as Steam. It also doesn't need a phone number.
There are very real reasons why the account requirement is bs but every other comment covers that.
Who gives a shit, they don’t want to sign up, they can always play other games and sign up to their requirements instead. You want PSN games, you sign up to PSN. Same applies to every other platform.
Sony fans don't care... They don't get the concept of why this screws gamrers over. Sony fans only know how to shill for the Corp.
Are we always going to get news articles on this? Yes, any Sony game on PC now requires a PSN and won’t be accessible to regions that don’t have the PSN infrastructure.
Exactly ots not like.on PC we already have so many different launchers.
Rockstar
Ubi
Epic
Battlenet
Steam.
GOG
What's one more and I already have a PSN account
Meh, I mean in the 90's and early 2000's some games had built in server browsers or built in lobby/chat systems like Worms 2 and it's sequels, if not we had GameSpy or Wireplay to find online players.
Multiple launchers is kind of annoying though, TBH I would prefer just one..
If you read the 2023 psn terms of service but this is sony so i know 90% here did not this is a pc killer.
Not only do you need real information so one account no way to make a dummy account and they need your address/real name some countries a drivers license but they also use ai to monitor you.
In there terms they are checking your ip address as the use of VPN's is against the terms and programs that cheat are also bannable but in the list they think 3rd party antivitus is cheating.
So yeah paying for god of war then filing out a form like your going to buy a gun just to play the thing to me sound's stupid but i am not a sony blindboy.
Looken
I didn't know that. It sucks and I for one will be very watchful of what I buy in the future from Playstation on PC. It's like Sony can't stay out of its own way when it comes to success of their games
Why is this a problem? Just curious. Don't you need accounts for Steam, Xbox, Gog, Epic Games,EA, Blizzard,etc..? Why is it a problem if you need PSN?
There are close to 200 countries around the world. MS is supported in 98%, Steam 90%. Sony... less than 50%.
How much of a % do these 177 countries equate to Sony’s overall sales by region?
LOL, I saw the list of countries that aren't supported by PSN, I don't think Sony has anything to worry about with any of them. These aren't the kinds of places where game consoles and games are selling significantly enough to matter anyway. Just certain people are trying to blow this out of proportion.
Trust me in those countries its cheaper to buy a console than build or buy a pc that can run ps5 games. Taxes and import duties are a real killer for graphics cards etc.
The countries where PSN isn't supported definitely wouldn't move the needle in term of sales. In the end, they don't really matter. You can bet Sony did the math and have a lot more data than some stupid fanboys like you people.
@ Darthv72 Ahhh yes. All the people complaining on forums are people from Cameroon. It's definitely not people who it won't affect making a massive deal out of nothing
...doesn't affect me one bit. All I did was provide a logical answer to the question hiro asked. People disagreeing does not refute the facts presented.
@buff
Its funny you can tell the Americans so much now
Japan is part of the list sony has banned ghost of tsumia pc version people in japan wtf? every American meh im fine with this as they give sony all ther information.
Not to mention in alot of countries that this game is supported you still have issues with getting a valid working address then the whole information that they need. I would never give sony my govt id fuck that.
IMO, because it's a dumb requirement. Steam already has DRM built-in and it's working fine. And affected games are offline singleplayer games. This requirement doesn't help the players, only Sony stats.
Does this make tbe game better? No. Does this help the player or does it improve their experience? Also no. So why is this required? Just cause. So why anyone defends this again?!
All those compaines need a email/password that is it oh your ea account got banned well unlink that one from steam make another relink sesne the game is on steam.
Sony need You email address password first/last name home phone home address/postal proof of age location country and ip address then will monitor you 24/7. You will also need payment information on console for ps +
You can only have one psn account sense it need's your real info in some countries it needs a attached govt id.
Your psn account gets banned then all these games are dead to you and your playstaion consoles are bricked sense you need a psn account/ps + to go online/get updates etc
You can not make a new account sense it will say hey you already have that info on this account that is banned sorry gtfo.
MAUs is clearly just as important to Sony.
I say make signing into PSN optional. Give players a reason to use it.. like the recently announced layer that lets you earn trophies.
I'm not bothered but there are countries who won't have access to the game because of this.
Totally agree. Not sure what is going on at Sony with the poor timing and marketing but I have been anticipating this game for ages. Hopefully it is not too overshadowed by MGSV and other big games coming out soon.
I really hope it sells as it looks fantastic. Will find out for myself tomorrow.
well i bought mgsv and this =D cant wait to play both
Can't market every game like crazy.
What the hell.
Sony even produced a really good live action trailer for the game
Only gripe I have with the plan for this game is that it should've released in July. Mid-Summer horror slasher. If they did in the fall it wouldn't sell well at all. I thought the marketing was good. You don't want to over market the game because these games aren't always received well. I felt they did just enough to get you excited, while showing you exactly what the game was.