Rumour: Splinter Cell Conviction Going "Back to the Drawing Board"

Metal Gear Solid 4? Big deal, right? Look at the Xbox 360 line-up for 2008; it contains titles like Ninja Gaiden 2, Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts, Gears of War 2, and Splinter Cell Conviction. Oh, wait, one of those titles won't be hitting this year after all. It appears that 360 owners won't be enjoying an espionage experience this year with Splinter Cell Conviction because the title is being taken "back to the drawing board" by Ubisoft Montreal.

[resistance100]

Ouch, now that's a delay, maybe the reports of it not being fun were true?

I hope the wait is worth it in the end

[MikeGdaGod]

the way some people on here talk, you'd think the 360 never gets delays

[DARKKNIGHT]

expect them to copy alot of mgs4 into conviction.

for everyone tht ever said sam fisher was the spy of the decade....he just got owned by snake

[tplarkin7]

I beat AC and the ONLY good thing about it was the graphics and animation. The combat was utterly boring and repetitive. It didn't even feel like a game. SCC uses the same engine. I'm glad they realized the problem.

[Silellak]

Why did the title of this article not have the word "Rumor" in it like the original article does?

Oh right. Because it gets more hits that way.

Sigh.

Not saying the news in the article isn't true. It could very well be true. But if you're going to submit an article with the word rumor in the TITLE, then you damn well better include the word in YOUR title as well.

But then I guess N4G has never been the place for anything remotely resembling journalistic integrity. So carry on, I guess.

[Auron]

Yeah I cant wait for Sam to be rolling around in a barrel and covering crotches. get real the two games are so different comparing them is stupid.

[ravenguard88]

I can't imagine who thought "HAY GUYS U PLAY A BUM WHO SHOOTS HOTDOG STANDS" would make for a good splinter cell game. Honestly, they need to push back to the original, or Chaos Theory. Double Agent was ok, but I hated that "between mission" junk. Give me traditional Tom Clancy: A briefing, get in, do the mission, get out, an after-action report.

If I wanted crowd-based action I'd play GTA. If I wanted urban shooting (a-la Double Agent) I'd play Rainbow Six/Ghost Recon. I play Splinter Cell because I like the challenge of remaining unseen. The stealth is what makes it fun, not the shooting mechanics.

[gaffyh]

Woah Holiday 2009/Early 2010 is a massive delay, wtf is this Final Fantasy? lol.

I think they are going to put more of the stealth stuff back in, that's the only difference it had between MGS, Splinter Cell used to be very good and complex in the stealth area whereas MGS used a simple form of stealth.

[radzy]

Ubisoft denies Conviction redesign

News by Rob Purchese
Today 09:07

Ubisoft has dismissed rumours that Splinter Cell Conviction is heading back to the drawing board as speculation.

The publisher was responding to a report in Xbox World 360 magazine that claimed the game was being redesigned because it wasn't groundbreaking enough, and had even been outdated by Ubisoft titles such as Assassin's Creed.

The rumours suggested that Conviction would go back into development and be given a fresh release date of Christmas 2009 - or even spring 2010.

Not so, said Ubsioft, telling Eurogamer the report is "pure speculation".

Splinter Cell Conviction was revealed last year at the Paris-based publisher event UbiDays. The 2008 show takes place next week.

The fifth instalment in the sneaky Sam Fisher series does away with all the gadgets and casts you in a fugitive role where you will have to use your surroundings to survive: blend with crowds, throw tables at ice creams at people, that sort of thing.

It hasn't been seen for a while, now, but pop over to our Splinter Cell Conviction gamepage for all of the information to date.

[DARKKNIGHT]

@1.5

eat some tomatoes, they make you smarter!

lol so what? hiding underneath tables, and ooooooooooo throwing chairs is equal to next gen gameplay? because thats better........LOL

fool

its evident that this game sucks (just like the last couple of them) and is gonna be rebuilt from the ground up, heavily following the next gen barrier that mgs4 will BREAK. Notice i said FOLLOW. therefore following in the footsteps of a innovator and leader but never surpassing the genius behind mgs4.
ubisoft will copy alot of mgs4.....imitation is a form of flattery and sam fisher has lost its roots while attempting to become snake for the past 3 years. SO the comparison doesnt have to be forced its pretty apparent who sam fisher WANTS TO BE.....unfortunately for sc fans, he fails like a blind/mute bum at a shooting range.
Youve got to be kidding me if you cant tell this series was heading down the drains long before they mentioned using a chair as a weapon, to be the most exciting part of the game.

innovation owns imitation...im sure kojima is laughing right now at sc being scrapped and sent back to the drawing board. At the end of the day theyre can only be 1 top spot, and kojima productions have that spot secured for a while to come.

dont believe me, you can witness it starting june 12th.
sam fisher got owned, and so did you right now. trade some of your bubbles for some tomatoes, youll be better off.

[Tomdc]

lol which console is the delay station now?

[misterssippi]

The original story is a rumor. Why is it up here like confirmed news. Fanboyism at its finest.

[Auron]

I'm sorry but the only fool here is you. give me an official statement from Ubi that they've scrapped the project like YOU say. anyways your words don mean sh!t to me you sound like a idiot who worships games instead of playing them. grow up and eat some fish heads they make you smarter.

[riskibusiness]

Assassins Creed used the Splinter Cell: Conviction Engine. Then Splinter Cell Conviction was put on ice to complete Assassins Creed. The Engine was further developed during this process.

I'm not exactly sure what good the current engine will do for the Splinter Cell franchise. I can see why, it may be overhauled. I wouldn't doubt it goes back to it's stealth/espionage roots.

[antoinetm]

--

[sonarus]

WOW. Looks like my SC hating was justified. End of 2009 sucks though. Wouldn't be surprised if a ps3 version found its way in too. If they are going to do splinter cell right, they should definitely put it out on ps3. I played all the splinter cells on playstation except for double agent so i hope they make it happen

In the end, taking that game back to the drawing board was the best decision yet. Not every idea works.

[MikeGdaGod]

i'd bet it was hard for them to come with something unique that neither MGS4 or Assassin's Creed were doing.

i wonder if someone from the gaming press that played MGS4 went back and told them they'd better go back, start over and try harder.

[Dark General]

Agree. I liked Assassins Creed alot i won't lie. And i like Splinter Cell but i didn't want Assassins Creed in my Splinter Cell which looked like how SC was heading. It sounded/looked like AssCreed with a Splinter Cell coat of paint on it and it was letting me down. Now after hearing this i have some faith in the next SC game.

[Amanosenpai]

Yes lol, Kojima sent Ubi a copy of MGS4...

Kojima (post-it): Did u like it?

Ubi team: Fvck...¬_¬'

[antoinetm]

+bubbles

lol

[Bacon]

Well Surfer Girl told us it would get delayed because of how horrible it was. Maybe she was right after all.

[Bonsai1214]

i could have told you that based on the premise of the gameplay..

[bootsielon]

Back to the drawing board? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Development hell? Oh no, Xbox 360 fanboys are gonna get mad. =(

Anyway, I did have high hopes for this game and I also hope MGS4 is a lesson for them when they are back in the drawing board, so that they can 1up the game. And I may sound like a fanboy, but I do think it's gonna be cost them beating a 50GB game with a DVD9, lack of HDD. Especially emphasizing on the word *cost*, since the game has been a long time in development already, and is back in the drawing board.

Then again, I don't know if it can be more expensive than MGS4, GTAIV and KillZone 2, which have been in development 4 years each, with budgets of 100 million, and more than 60 million for the later two.

[00]

Why must my heart be tortured, the should do a new game based on those other splinter cell agents.

[permutated]

Better Ubisoft take it back to the drawing board than release a blemished, broken product like Haze, Lair or Vampire Rain.

[Greysturm]

The problem of ubisoft is that it was obvious after the first 3 installments that they didnt have the slightest idea where they wanted to take the series. The first couple of installments were frankly expansion packs not sequels and when they broke away from it with double agent it was clear that they were out of ideas to improve the series.

Even though mg haters and splintercell fans dont wanna admit it, splinter cell lacks any links between the installments. There is no character development, no backstory and nothing that relates the series besides the same game mechanics and the same main characters. The only redeeming feature of the series was its multiplayer where they actually found a pace and innovation beyond the competition. In my opinion the series should continue with the coop stealth mechanics and refine upon them even if that means leaving fisher behind in the shadows.

[jackdoe]

I agree. I am a Metal Gear and Splinter Cell fan and for me, the big draw of MG was the story while SC was the gameplay. Each did its thing well, but SC:DA was a misstep and I can see Ubi trying to figure out how to get the series back on track.

[Whoooop]

That's pretty much it... BUT

I think that if they keep their concept and maybe added a new more interesting simple story, it could be a great game in a FUN sense.

They don't need to re-do the series IMO they can still give us SC fans more of the same, but with more creative ways to spy, or more creative kills and locations etc.

There's much they can do without reinventing the concept or the story.

I always enjoy SC gameplay for its cool way of presenting the spy concept and atmosphere of being undetected.. NOW,for story and epic feeling? I play MGS.

[JBaby343]

In my opinion SC peaked with Chaos Theory. The first 3 games were excellent to play and each was better than the last but DA really let me down and the way this next one was looking I was really getting disappointed in the series. Hopefully they can put it on the PS3 so I can play the overhauled version when it releases because I still have hope.

[Vino]

I don't see the reason people have to argue about console gaming, it's something I enjoy and I don't have any motivation to argue to someone I don't know about gaming. Anyhow I don't really care about this mgs vs splinter cell thing.

[murkster-dubez]

Same reason people argue between favorite football teams

[meepmoopmeep]

that sounds seriously bad... back to square one... damn

[bouncybullet]

Not official.

probably a rumor.

they've done so much already, theres no way that they're starting from scratch.

[jackdoe]

Hm. Thought the original concept was solid enough. Anyway, a delay was kind of predictable after the lack of information and the previous delay.

[solidt12]

I didn't like the direction they were taking with Sam with the whole blending in to society thing with no stealth. Now I find out the were using the Assassins Creed Engine and it makes since what they were doing. I think they need to stick with tradition and not make a Assassins Sam Fisher game.

[The Lazy One]

It's a different kind of stealth. Don't mistake that with no stealth at all.

Personally, I was interested in it a lot. It might have worked better as a different game as it was such a departure from the classic SC gameplay.

[Clinton514]

I think the game was looking sloppy regardless of what we've seen of Metal Gear.

It was just never impressive(to me). I think the criticisms they took from Assassin's Creed was more of an indication that they couldn't just stamp on the same gameplay methods to Splinter Cell. Assassin's Creed was ambitious but a bit poorly executed.

I'm guessing they couldn't risk taking such heat with their arguably most popular IP.

[DJ]

Back to the drawing board? Millions of dollars and years of hard work down the drain. I wonder how much of an impact MGS4 had on the Splinter Cell team.

[Breakfast]

I doubt MGS had any impact...im guessing Assassin Creed had alot of impact, though.

lol...the same 3 missions from assassins, probably plagued this game. Im pretty sure they have most of the game done....but, they just need to make it fun.

Edit: @ Below

MGS hasnt even been released yet...lol...its gonna set standards in a about month, but not now.

The Splinter Cell series aint no paper weight either...

Splinter Cell Chaos Theory - 94 average
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow - 93 average
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell - 93 average

Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent - 85 average

It got stale this gen...but it's still a great franchise

[PoSTedUP]

i really think that mgs4 had an impact, their similar games and mgs really set the bar for this gen. ya know. it does sound logical.

@ above^^^^yea im not saying splintcell isnt good, but ive seen alot of game play from mgs4 and from what i seen it really looks like it did something special, hence set the bar, because im sure the splintcell team has taken a peak at mgs4.

[sonarus]

MGS4 had very little impact on conviction because they are completely different games. The only way MGS4 could have impact is if they were afraid to be eclipsed by MGS4 sales. However that wouldn't necessarily mean going back to the drawing board because they could just release it a couple of months after MGS4.

They did however get a good look at MGS4 with the whole assassins creed MGS4 deal. So maybe they were intimidated by a lot of that stuff or they got a lot of really good ideas from it and they decided to re do their game

[pwnsause]

Ouch... BTW this game was using the AC engine, am I correct?

[Mr_Kuwabara]

First there was Haze, now there's Conviction..

At least there delaying the game for the benefit of it (obviously)

[Adriana Lima]

to copy from mgs4? after seeing mgs4, they have to catch up and do pull-ups to get up on the bar.

[Bnet343]

Splinter Cell did not had to copy anything from Metal Gear Solid to establish itself as a good stealth series.

[Bonsai1214]

correct kigmal. but mgs4 was basically a reinvention of the mgs series, and konami were pretty liberal about showing it off, so no doubt there was some intimidation factor.

[Whoooop]

that were using this game as an excuse to talk down the PS3 and MGS4...

In a sense I'm pro going back to drawing board if the reason is to improve the game around it's main concept.

SC should stick to what it do best and that's VERY COOL tactical espionage.

Hope this is for the best.

[name]

Wth I told you it wasn't coming in 2008 in the other thread and everyone went nanners over me and started calling me a fanboy. They already said this before. I can't believe anyone thought they'd release splinter cell this year with absolutely no hype at all whatsoever. It's just what ps3 owners suspected after all that time without hearing any killzone 2 hype from sony.

[LevDog]

Wow WaitBox 360 strikes again... HAHA jk.. Thats just for all "DelayStation" guys that think Sony is the only one with Delays.. But lets be honest.. With games being the way they are now.. IT takes time to Develop them and get everything right, so us gamers dont chew their heads off..

Fact is all consoles have delays.. WaitBox and DelayStation are comments for ignorant people

[RIP Xbox]

Xbox Am Die,waaaaaah

PLAY BEYOND

[Homicide]

HAHAHAHAHA! Dumb bots just got owned. Another 2008 360 exclusive off the list now. The PS3 line up looks better now =)

"b-b-b-b-but delaystation," cries the bots.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Splinter Cell Conviction is supposed to be a pretty big title. Releasing it as is and having it suck or not be fun would be getting owned, Homicide. After all, who wants another Lair? Having games be chronically delayed because the console is difficult to program for would be a problem, but the occasional delaying of a 360 exclusive for quality assurance reasons is no big deal.

Yeah it sucks that it won't be out anytime soon, but the end result is that we will get a much better Splinter Cell Conviction because of it, so 360 owners will be better off in the end.

We won't have any shortage of games this year, especially in the fall. I'm sure there's a couple yet-to-be-announced treats in there as well. Now go play MGS and LBP and quit worrying about us :-D

[jcfilth]

Do you know what happens when you rush things? RROD happens!!!

Do you know what happens when you have patience?? You get a PS3 and a MGS4!!

Patience is a virtue.

Be happy it was delayed.

[AngryTypingGuy]

"Do you know what happens when you rush things? RROD happens!!!"

-- You're absolutely right. There is a bright side to MS rushing out the 360 to market though. Thanks to all of the negative RROD press, you can bet that future Xbox designs will be put through the ringer before being rushed to market. MS deserved to have to set aside a billion bucks for rushing out the 360. Thank God my 360 runs cool to the touch and is kept well-ventilated. Mine was bought in late Jan. '06.

If there's a 30% failure rate for the EARLY systems though, that means the majority work. Most people that have a 360 will tell you that the gaming experience simply cannot be beat, and it is very true. The unmatched game catalog and Live make the system.

And yes, patience is definitely a virtue. I encourage games being delayed ALWAYS, rather than having a product released that sucks.

[power of Green]

I agree about the quality assurance(considering this is even true) Haze just failed quality assurance, did you see the Haze review from IGN they basically said it was a Piece of Sh*t.

[AngryXbot]

Xbot, the 360 has a fking pathetic line up. It doesnt even match the wii line up which only has Smash brawl this year. What does that say about your own line up.

Gears of war 1.5
Baby kazooie
Ninja Failden?

Fk thats a line up? Its pathetic.
And now Splinter Cell, supposedly one of the bigger 360 titles, xbots hyped so much about, is gone.

NOW WHAT!?

[AngryTypingGuy]

LOL @ AngryXbot - Trust me friend, I'm a very happy 360 customer. One of the reasons I like the 360 better is because I like its style of game play better. It's more of a western themed console (hey, it's from the west, go figure). Not to mention, I think most games look and run better on the 360. I like the way the handle with the controller better too. I was never a fan of the PS controller.

The whole 2008 lineup issue is your opinion. Gears 1.5? Wait and see my friend. I've seen the videos on my 1080P TV, and it's breathtaking. Let's save the arguing until AFTER it comes out. Ninja Gaiden II? You're just jealous that the true sequel is on Xbox. Banjo Kazooie? I've never played any version in this franchise, maybe I'll check out a demo if they have one. This isn't usually the type of game I'd buy.

By the way, Splinter Cell isn't "gone", it's delayed. There's a difference. I'm sure you know about delays all to well. In the end though, if delaying means producing a better game, it's a good thing isn't it? Think of how many classic games wouldn't be as good if they stuck to the original deadlines.

If you like your PS3 lineup, then that's great. I'm not saying it doesn't have a stronger lineup. It's unrealistic to expect your console of choice to have a stronger lineup every year, or on a monthly basis. It just ain't gonna happen.

Back to your question, am I discouraged I didn't get a PS3? If I had a PS3 right now, along side my 360, I'd still play my 360 more. I like raising my Gamerscore, not to mention most of my friends are on Live.

[mikeslemonade]

Good for Ubisoft because cause this is the 5th splinter cell in 6 years if this one would have came out. Do us a favor and delay it 2010 with a new engine.

[smokeymicpot]

Gives me more time to think about getting a 360. So it is alright for me

[The gaming GOD]

This game, Alan wake, and halo wars have been pushed back to 2009

The bad part is this game's delay looks like it will be an EXTREMELY long time.

Even though this is only a rumor right now, this sounds like a REALLY bad delay. To be pushed back to the possibly spring of 2010, geez

[meepmoopmeep]

yeah, this isn't a delay, it's back to square one, that's beyond a delay

and i hope the "delaystation" spouters feel this real good and it serves them right.

[Alpha_Gamer]

the day you stop seeing "delaystation", is the day you stop shouting "RROD"...it`s not gonna happen.

[AngryTypingGuy]

But the difference is that programmers don't have to learn a whole new type of code to program for with the 360. The sole reason the 360 games are delayed is because they simply are behind schedule or want to change the way the game is, not because of programming issues. When the games finally get here, the added quality of the titles will be worth the wait. Not to mention, it just makes next year's lineup that much stronger!

EDIT: To the person who disagreed with me, please explain what I said that's not true. After all, only pathetic losers go around disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.

[AngryTypingGuy]

There's at least one good game coming out each month until the end of the year. I will miss SC this year, but not that much. The end result will be a good thing.

[themyk]

of course it's easy to program for. developers have been doing those codes for years now, because it's basically a last gen console with semi hi def grafx. thats why it's taking a little longer to learn the ps3 because it's actually pushing the industry forward. it's like learning something new. hense NEXT gen.

[White-Sharingan]

It cant be

Microsoft told me that Xbox 360 games do not get delayed

I trust what they say over this site

[00]

Actually those were the fanboys.

[White-Sharingan]

oh! thats right!

It just seems the fanboys have been acting like Microsoft's spokesperson rather than fans

[The Lazy One]

M$ said they don't show games before they're ready. Not that they don't delay games.

[bootsielon]

Isn't it, Pog?

[kcdude]

Hey this really sucks but I'm kind of happy. I myself being fearful for the series due to the changes, am glad they aren't going to release a crap game, but instead make sure everything is perfect. They probably know that MGS4 is going to be a very tough competitor.

[shysun]

I feel the same way. I don't own a 360 but I've been playing SC games on PC for years. It's been getting so damn repetitive that it's sicking! This is a very good thing, because now they can come up with some really new ideas! I wont say what game I'll be playing until then! ;)

[The Lazy One]

This game was different. It was too different. That was the problem.

[Timesplitter14]

Yeah but MGS4 IS a big deal!

Anyway... I doubt SC:Conviction would've been a great game. This is for the better

[Bladestar]

How can this game get delayed if it didn't have a release date? Can someone show me the ubisoft official statement that indicated that this game was going to be a 2008 release?

There is no point on rushing this game... there are plenty of xbox 360 games this year... and Metal Gear will soon come and go.. and probably not another metal gear this generation... so this game will be left alone... I always said it.. if this game cannot be released at the same time as Metal Gear take your time...

I am very interested to see what they can do... but Metal Gear is a monster and hard to distract people from... it's better for the game if it's released when Metal Gear 4 is concidered old news... it don't matter how good this game is.. Metal Gear just on brand recognition would overshadow it... release later.. .make more money that way...

[poopsack]

Well this situation is similar to the one where something with no release sate on PS3 finally gets a release date later than those rumored and then its DELAYSTATION! WAIT B3YOND DUDE! difference is this is not delay, this is a "drop everything and start from the top"

[Whoooop]

Bladestar I think you're actually taking POW place in most annoying 360 fanatic...

let it go...

One thing is a delay of an unconfirmed game and another one is scratching everything you've done to start over again.

If it was a PS3 exclusive you would've been all over this.

Take a nap will ya??

[Greysturm]

Was planned for a 2007 release but was delayed to between january an march of 2008. Its hard to find links but here is a link to a newsblog reporting the first delay.

http://www.videogamesblogge...

Theres wikipedia but thats unreliable:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

"The game was originally going to be released globally on November 16, 2007,[3] but on July 24, 2007, Ubisoft announced a delay to their fourth fiscal quarter (January to March 2008).[4] On November 20, 2007, Ubisoft announced another delay to next year's fiscal quarter (which begins April 1, 2008)"

Destructoid:

http://www.destructoid.com/...

Kotaku:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/fa...

Need anymore i think thats enough to prove it was releasing in 2007 originaly.

The problem relies that as much as they wait to make the perfect game to make us forget mgs4 they have 2 problems. 1) They have to acomplish a better game with less space (dvd9 translate less content), less backstory and less general appeal. 2) Everyone expects microsoft to be the first one to jump ship and make a new console which by then means the game will be outdated unless they revamp the engine (another delay) for the next system.

[justgamez]

</insert foot in mouth> because you are making a fool of yourself. I have been waiting on Splinter Cell since last year. Face it. Delays are part of the game for "ALL" the consoles and they always have been.

[MikeGdaGod]

+ bubbles for your effort

[LJWooly]

Well, every fanboy on this site is a hipocryte with double standards, so of course he jumps on this stuff when it's PS3-realated, but makes excuses to defend the 360 in the same situation. Don't be a fanboy like him by calling him an "Xmonkey".

[Vip3r]

"How can this game get delayed if it didn't have a release date? Can someone show me the ubisoft official statement that indicated that this game was going to be a 2008 release?

There is no point on rushing this game... there are plenty of xbox 360 games this year... and Metal Gear will soon come and go.. and probably not another metal gear this generation... so this game will be left alone... I always said it.. if this game cannot be released at the same time as Metal Gear take your time... "

So howcome your never like this when a PS3 game is delayed? Or is bashing Sony too good an opportunity to turn down?

Seriously, you're such a pathetic hypocrite fanboy it's amlost beyond laughable.

[poopsack]

Guys I have insider info:

Sam Fisher (thats his name right?) is going to be very old on this game for an unknown reason that will later be explained. And also they are going to make flashbacks of previous games but... in HD!

[ICUP]

Any more delay of games, and the xbots have to buy a ps3 to play games. :)

[Deadman64]

Actually, xbox owners have been playing hits since 05....PS3 is just now getting good games.

[name]

Jesus bladestar your damage control is amazing. For one it did have a release date of "sometime in 2008". And now it isn't 2008. It;s late 2009 or early 2010. That's a delay.

[ECM0NEY]

thank god i dont like stealth games. they are to boring and slow IMO.

[Pinionist]

They're maybe slow, but not boring, because when you're into them (stealth games), your anticipate your enemy's move and wait to kill him when no one sees you. I've just finished Crysis, and most part of the game that plays in the jungle, you can finish with shooting with only pistols, if you played it stealthy.

It's a sad thing to see demos of the game and then to read couple months later, it's all been scraped.

[joydestroy]

damn, that sucks man. i was kinda interested in that game. if it's going back to the drawing board and coming out late '09/early '10, it better blow me away that's for sure. i'm sure they won't go back to the drawing board and start over completely...i hope not anyway because that would mean early '10.

a Tom Clancy game can't be total crap, that's what happened.

[Bolts]

I'm not sure what they were thinking with DA. Splinter Cell is always about sneaking around and offing terrorists. They need to get back to their roots.

[joydestroy]

i don't care if it sticks to its roots or not, they better not mess it up considering the crap previously said about it.

[Ri0tSquad]

Well, I guess this, Halo Wars, and Alan Wake should keep both camps quiet about the delays on each system.

I'm still very interested in playing this game.

[justgamez]

but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

[thenickel]

Well I'm actually happy this game is going back to the drawing board. I wasn't really feeling this all new open world gameplay like AC! Hopefully they bring it back to it's roots but improve the story a little and keep multiplayer. Now that they've had some real hands on time developing on 360 they can pump out something stellar in 2009!

[PoSTedUP]

splintercell is iight, but it duhzent compare to MGSfo.

[Euthanasia78]

You be soundin like fool! Yo dog u aint be comin off chillin and sheeyiiiittt. U b tryin diktonary sumday?

[Big Jim]

Games get delayed all the time, but I don't like the sound of "back to the drawing board." Sounds like they're going to completely re-design it.

[BattleAxe]

-Splinter Cell: Conviction, back to the drawing board.

-Banjo Kazooi: Nuts and Bolts, getting really negative feedback.

-Too Human, really doesn't look that great.

-Lets hope that Fable 2 and Gears 2 will save 2008.

[power of Green]

VS what? LBP and R2. lol

[Big Jim]

Banjo Kazooi isn't the only game getting negative feedback. 1up is a pro-microsoft website, but on their last podcast 1up was saying that Fable 2 looked like an original xbox game, and Gears 2 looked like a Gears 1 expansion pack. A ton of 360 exclusive 2008 games have been getting negative feedback.

[power of Green]

Stop trolling. Whats pathetic is your support of the trolling attacks from other trolls then attacking people that are not 360 fans in a 360 threads.

Go play your PS3 or whatever you have and stop worrying about the 360 lineup- take a chill pill your personal attacks are not helping Sony.

I have the right to ask where the proof is at and that there's no reason million of gamers would be envyous of MGS4(if its that important they'll buy a PS3). Its almost like you people were offended at the notion that I'm not going to take this rumor as fact and that I'm not intrested in MGS4, Get some mental help! sheeesh!, Personally attacked for saying where's the PROOF! lol.

[Homicide]

Halo Wars and Alan Wake won't make it this year. So what now do you have left to play this year 360 fanboys? You all were bragging about it after KZ2 got delayed, but now your list has gotten smaller with the 3 games getting delayed =(((

[BattleAxe]

Vs. SOCOM: Confrontation, Resistance 2, LBP, The Agency and MGS 4.

What else do you have?? I mean, lets get with reality!!

[Bladestar]

mmm... I see... lots of people are trying to use this to make themselves feel better about the constant delays on the PS3... so, when ONE.... I repeat 1 Xbox 360 game get's delayed they want xbox 360 owners to run around like chickens with their head cut off... I think xbox 360 owners would... but delays arent a trend on the xbox 360.. at least yet... Games and features tend to come right on time.... For example, we have XMB from day one... 2 Gears (1,2) and the first game was announced after Kill Zone 2 was... Home?
So, please don't feel the pain for xbox 360 owners is not that bad... I don't think anyone purchased an xbox 360 because of Splinter Cell... but I know many people that got a PS3 for many of the games and features that are still missing in action...

[Clinton514]

Garbage you're toting there. Go to the Open Zone if you're feeling the pain that badly kid.

[Whoooop]

Just like Toohuman, Alan Wake and many others to come.. Get over it.

Delays can be good you know..

[akaFullMetal]

wow dude every system gets game delays, because of snags and because of technical problems, in this case its because the game was going to suck, so they delayed it, same with haze, but now haze looks like a decent game, so just calm down, delays can be a good thing, so stop making everything into a huge 360 vs ps3 war. Everybody is giving 360 owners a bad time because of the way 360 fan boys reacted to delays on the playstation, waitstation and so on. Now that it is on the other shoe your going to act like an ass, come on.

[power of Green]

LOL at Clinton514 telling people their comments need to be in the openzone when most of his posts are attacks on 360 fans lol.

Its just a sloppy article anyways was that list of the 360's lineup his personal favorites? or all he can afford?.

[JBaby343]

You're the biggest garbage toting one. I've seen you and the other 360 boys attack the PS3 and its fans so many times that you guys deserve the attacks. It's funny how you rebuke someone when they say something bad about the 360 but you have no problem jumping all over the PS3 about stuff. You've been really two-faced especially lately. If you want to diss the Triple then be prepared to have your console trashed as well.

[Aclay]

Splinter Cell Conviction isn't even comparable to Metal Gear Solid 4. The Metal Gear Solid series will always remain the king of Espoinage Tactical Action and it's just that simple. No Splinter Cell game will ever be a "Metal Gear Killer".

And wow, that makes 3 Xbox 360 delays: Splinter Cell Conviction, Halo Wars, Alan Wake.

It's a shame that when a PS3 game gets delayed it's a big deal, but when a 360 game gets delayed it's not a big deal. And this game isn't coming out for a LONG time.

How in the world can a game go from a 2008 release to a late 2009-2010 release? I just don't get it because they aren't developing on the PS3, so development shouldn't be that hard, so I don't see why this game is taking so long. Is it because the game needs more processing power or more disc space... that sounds like a game that's the perfect candidate for the PS3.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

this is actually great news, this saves me money and gives 09 something to look forward to. best of luck to ubisoft , i'm totaly happy that there reconsidering to add more or to fixing anything, if they feel that the game can be way more persuasive then depicted, then i'm with that.

[BIoodmask]

Most of this thread is about people talking about Metal Gear Solid 4. The funniest thing about N4G is how 360 gamers in a '360' threads are trolls. N4G, your hypocracy never disappoints.

Comment:

1.2 - "expect them to copy alot of mgs4 into conviction. for everyone tht ever said sam fisher was the spy of the decade....he just got owned by snake"

2.1 - " i wonder if someone from the gaming press that played MGS4 went back and told them they'd better go back, start over and try harder."

5 - "Splinter Cell Conviction isn't even comparable to Metal Gear Solid 4. The Metal Gear Solid series will always remain the king of Espoinage Tactical Action and it's just that simple. No Splinter Cell game will ever be a "Metal Gear Killer".

11 - "I wonder how much of an impact MGS4 had on the Splinter Cell team."

14 - " to copy from mgs4? after seeing mgs4, they have to catch up and do pull-ups to get up on the bar."

15 - " I feel bad for some fanatics in here...
that were using this game as an excuse to talk down the PS3 and MGS4"

20 - "Yeah but MGS4 IS a big deal!"

21.2 - " Bladestar I think you're actually taking POW place in most annoying 360 fanatic"

26 - "I laughed when it said metal gear 4 killer, lmao.
Who they trying to kid? First they say the ps3 cant handle the game and now there scared to release it because they know MGS4 will smoke the crap out of there game and now its back to the drawing board, lol."

End Result = LMFAO...

I guess on N4G even if you are a '360 Gamer' commenting on a '360 thread'...you are still a troll.

Question? If Bladestar and Power of Green are 'trolls' for commenting in this '360' thread then what are all of the visitors talking about MGS4 and calling them names?

= once again LMFAO!

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

LOL.

[Whoooop]

You actually took the time to look for those comments...

I think you're the one who deserves the LMFAO!!!

lol

[GUNS N SWORDS]

look at this...look how many 360 gamers are in hear only what.....2 or 3, now how many ps3 gamers with time on there hands and don't have anything to do........enough to fill this fvcking page with 100 comments.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

It`s funny how much can change in a year.

[Homicide]

And there were no problems when 360 fanboys posted on Killzone 2 being delayed news right?

PS. I missed you Anego.

[JBaby343]

What a difference a year makes. It was ok when it was all 360 fans but now you all lose it because the tides turn. If you don't like it then leave and it will be one less 360 fanboy we'll have to deal with because honestly you guys get really annoying.

Oh and congratulations on having delayed games of your own.

[TheTerminator]

Damn, it didn't take Skynet this long to enslave the humans

Back to square one...that means all those thousands of hours put into this game, gone in a flash

They should just cancel the game altogether, nobody will care if its gonna be released in 1 or two years

[Auron]

sad...

[JBaby343]

I love SC (up until DA that is) I just wish it was on the PS3 so I would be able to play it when they release it. I think a lot of other people like it too this is just something to put the 360 fanboys in their place so they keep their mouths shut if some bad news comes the PS3's way.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

damn. I actually liked SC:Double Agent(which a lot of people didn't like) with its shallow but interesting moral choices. now that the next game is so delayed, I don't care about it any more.

[supermandead666]

Sweet karma.

[cmrbe]

applauded UBI if they are delaying this game so that they can make it better for gamers. They could have easily release it this year and sell it on name alone. If they are indeed delaying it because they don't want to burn long time fans then i commend UBI.

[The Lazy One]

UGH! hit wrong button

[shadow-sentinel]

Xbot: DelayStation!!!!!!

PS3 Fanboy: STFU!!!!! At least we're getting good games.

Later...

Splinter Cell Conviction exclusive for Xbox 360 gets delayed.

PS3 Fanboy: HAHAHAH!!!!

...

Don't you guys just love karma? :D

[The Lazy One]

xbox fanboy: what? sry... I was in the middle of a game.

[ApocalypseShadow]

sometimes it's for the best like resident evil 2 and resident evil 4.both games have early footage of what they would have been like.

same with heavenly sword on ps3.the early footage before it became ps3 exclusive was a poor looking game.

what i'm laughing at though is all the winers and complainers on these threads lately when it comes to 360 releases.a lot of you bagged,trolled,badmouthed ps3 games in other threads,including you bloodmask,but now you cry when the shoe is on the other foot.

games like alan wake,too human,halo wars,and possibly fable 2 and gears 2 hitting delays along this possible revamp,and you all become babies.bloodmask,you post obvious flame articles to win money,but you complain here.that's sad.power of green,you pop up in almost every ps3 thread and bad mouth.but now you get offended(actually,you're always offended).bladestar,what can i say,did your shares in microsoft go up today?you're on a role trying to defend.

sad that your 2008 releases are not living up to 2007.but it's pathetic that when ps3 fans make their opinions heard,you become sore like it was about a relative.it's all in good fun just like any other competition.microsoft is sony's competitor.obviously,you will have fans of one or the other.neutral gamers(haters) who hide behind bubbles to me are still haters.and they know who they are.but i won't name names.

but you had better hope microsoft has something to stop nintendo and sony this fall.you're going to need all the positive news you're going to get.right now,this isn't one of them if it's true.

megaton....................

[N2NOther]

I prefer SC to MGS...Why? Because I couldn't care less about the mumbo jumbo story that MG has devolved into...Plus, as a stealth series, Splinter Cell was much more stealth like...

That's not to say I don't like MGS a lot, I do...But I prefer the quasi-realism of SC to the nonsense of Vampires and spider-men and fat men on roller blades of MGS...

I sincerely hope this rumor is true (I read the same thing a while ago in EGM) because I wasn't liking where Conviction was going at all...

And as much as I prefer SC to MGS, it's no Metal Gear Killer...

[GUNS N SWORDS]

RESPECT THIS GUY'S OPINION.

all of you guy's said the same negative comments to this guy's favorite game, and he took all of that verbal abuse.

- NOW RESPECT THIS GUY'S 2 CENTS.

[Euthanasia78]

Xbox is down a big game this holiday now. That's ok, because they just spin things however they want anyway. Get ready for the Xbox propaganda to continue until they release a new system(I have a strong feeling it's going to be sooner than expected). IDK, I'm not feeling the Microsoft way of doing things right now. It's a marthaon, not a sprint, so we'll see who comes out on top in the end. Yawn, we know who that will be. Hint hint, it's not xbox!

[jcfilth]

**A bubble pops up on my head, A video starts rolling:**

<Sam Fisher is sent to kill Snake on a special mission for 2008, He managed to get to the battle field.
<Finally finds Snake
<Snake is pawning some Metal Gears, the MG falls to the ground causing a lot of dust covering Snake, after the dust is gone, Snake is nowhere to be seen(he's camuflaged on the ground).

Sam Fisher was watching all the action peaking from a corner.
Sam fisher says: What tha F@kc?! How tha f..?? and scared decides to run away.

HQ aborts the mission and discharged Sam Fisher.
Sam Fisher is in stand-by for a new mission by the end of 2009.

End of story!**

Holy sh!t I should be a producer!!

[The Lazy One]

you got an agree... wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oow...

[InMyOpinion]

Why does this thread consist of 95% PS3 fanboys?

[GameDev]

I would guess its because you 360 fans have acted like total sh1ts in their threads. what goes around comes around.

[JBaby343]

You bots keep your mouths shut from now on if some bad news comes the PS3's way.

"jump in... and wait"

[The gaming GOD]

yet you have no problem when 1001 xbots are all over ps3 articles.

The thing is, nobody is necessarily saying anything bad. And you're still complaining.

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

Ubisoft hasn't delivered on a Splinter Cell game for awhile now. They come out w/ a new one every year but there isn't much about that sets it apart.

For every 5 ubisoft games that come out there is only about one that is worth playing(Haze is garbage, now this game, I can't imagine whats next).

Its just too bad because there was a time when Ubisoft was an awesome company.

[ApocalypseShadow]

that's what it comes down to:

respecting someone's opinion or IGNORE it.

the game looks like it needs work,so it may get delayed or revamped.we'll find out soon enough.but the crying is just laughable.

"i'm going to report you."for what?making a comment and having an opinion?sad gamers on this site if that's the case.

the mods gave us the perfect oportunity to ignore someone's comments just by hitting a button.how simple is that?if you're that lazy to use the cursor to hit the button,you can always just skip those who you don't AGREE with.

but....WHINE like children when it's not going your way?.......hahaha.seriously.i' m just on the floor with stomach pain.

POG,bladestar,bloodmask,jason 360,the mart,kewlkat(one of the neutrals-see above),there's more,but why bother.i either ignore their comments,or have them ON ignore,or just read and move on.it's not that serious.it's GAMES.if you can't hadle it,maybe you need to find another site that is more kid friendly.but id' bet the ones i mentioned are over 25 years of age.

maybe i'm on a site that has gamers who are less than 16 years old.who knows.but whine.......SAD.

megaton..................

[Awesomeo3000]

splinter cell is a good game but it is no metal gear in any way shape or form. theyve always been supposedly against each other but im pretty sure SC has not come near to what MGS4 is

snake owns sam fisher anyday of the week

[realistgamer]

as long as they fix the problems i don't really mind gives me time for all these other games.

[Kain81]

...UBI is like EA no Exclusives maybe Time-exclusivs

[Dacapn]

The real question is will this end up on the 360 or 720 haha

[WildArmed]

It's gonna suck anyway, they are gonna try to ripoff of MGS4 so they though lets wait it out! Too bad no matter what they do, its gonna suck when compared to MGS4!

[n00bPwner]

lmao. I like how they list THREE 360 exclusives, as if that's all the crushing power 360 has going for it this year. Viva Pinata..... but no left 4 dead or fable 2 or anything else??? LOL. try again.

[xtreampro]

HAHAHAHA so much for being better than MGS4 as the bots say, HAHA their completly sraping the whole idea of th game and starting fresh...IDIOTS thaught they could out do the MGS series with one game,.....PATHETIC!

[AngryXbot]

Such is the power of the PS brand. Be scared shiatty xbots. Lmao, Splinter Cell has always been a crappy game. And you xbots know it. Splinter Cell has always copied MGS and was always labelled as an inferior substitute by the market.

And xbots called it “it will compete with MGS” lol. After witnessing MGS4, they realised how fking utterly destroyed they were and that’s why they had to scratch EVERYTHING they had and start from NOTHING. Yes, some journalist who played MGS4, leaked it to Ubisoft. It must have.

How fking sad is that. Remember all these shiatty xbots glorifying Splinter Cell conviction trailers and shiat like that. Heck, I still remember some xbot named Acrerevolution on gametrailers ACTUALLY CLAIMING how fking superior SPLINTER CELL CONVICTION is compared to UNCHARTED. Fking hell, Uncharted is out for 6 months, superior graphics and animation and what does Splinter Cell has so far…nothing. Everything is scratched. OWNED BIATCH!

OWNED stupid xbots.

Oh and hey guys, watch how Splinter Cell is going to copy everything from MGS again. Lmao what the fk are xbots thinking anyway. It was clear from the start that MGS4 is superior in anyway. 50GIGS, fking uncompressed full 7.1 DOLBY, just the fking moustache of Snake has more textures than the whole Splinter Cell conviction trailer. And you thought Splinter Cell could compete? Haha delusional xbots!

And guess what, things aren’t going to change either. The new splinter cell may copy but it cant copy GIGS and CELL. OWNED.

[xtreampro]

YEAH DUDE..RIGHT OON!!...WOOH YEAH THE shagbots got OWNED BIG-TIME!!...keep it cumin soldiers

[ceee227]

involved in Splinter Cell (SC), and Metal Gear Solid 4 (MGS4), does not mean these games can be compared. MGS4 has a fantasy element to it, as well as "Boss" fights at the end of the mission. SC is nothing like MGS4. SC takes a more realistic approach. The only similarity is that Snake and Sam Fisher are bad @sses. This article is trying to start a flame war.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

I totally agree. That said though, don't you think something has gone wrong with Conviction?

[ceee227]

If this article is true, YES there is definitely something wrong with Conviction. I just wanted to make that point about MGS4 and SC being different before everyone started tearing into each other.

The comment that the author made about SC being a MGS4 "killer" was written to start trouble (IMO).

[Avto]

I hope this is not true cuz this is the only X360 game I care about

[GameDev]

I don't know why but the term sphinkter smell keeps coming to mind...lol

[DarkSniper]

Microslaves continue to wait for a quality product for their Waitbox 360. Dark Sniper will be enjoying the remainder of this 2008 onslaught that PLAYSTATION®3 is placing on the inferior platform.

Wait In.

$niper

[captainjy]

Just keep this in mind...Haze...huh hem....garbage... When you POS3ers actually get a game on your console, you just let us know.

[ricaesarfer]

Already Ubisoft has denied the rumor

Please see this link:
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

The game is due for 24/10/2008 and is in Pre-Order at Play.com:
http://www.play.com/Games/X...

IGN confirm the Realese Date for Europe
http://xbox360.ign.com/obje...

Snake will hope Sam not coming this year. But he will come and will be great

[GMWPS3]

Though I do feel sorry for a lot of developers. Once a game like MGS4 comes out it can quickly make a lot of their work look stale. As far as graphics go, if they make a PS3 version they should just accept it's extra space on disk and on storage as a good thing and maximize the experience for the PS3 users.

[patlike]

http://n4g.com/NewsPending-...

[Citizen Cook]

You could see the gameplay wasn't working in the trailers! Whatever the hell that was, it wasn't Splinter Cell.

This should give the game chance to breath...
Its forced Ubi-EA to spot churing it out every year...
Lets hope they actually ut more emphasis on STORY this time...

HA HA HA HA!

[THE TERMINATOR]

It will still be crap

[yanikins111]

looks like splinter cell is the new haze. Nice work Ubi. Really uh... publishing some uhhhh good games there.

Just kidding 360ppl. Hope it turns out better than haze did :(

[SL1M DADDY]

So I hope that they do away with the story as is and go with something more Splinter Cell-like. I loved the sneaking missions.

[MasterChief2829]

Yet another case of bad reviewing, how did this pass? It's a rumor, not news. Add rumor. Wow, N4G gets worse everyday.

[Merritt]

I'm happy if it's true. IMHO the series has gotten very stale. Double Agent, while I did think it was passable, is the only Splinter Cell I haven't finished. I have to go back to it.

Also, they need to make the online less dumbed-down like they have been, the online in DA was the biggest pile of joke I have ever seen. Pandora Tomorrow's online was excellent, I loved the learning curve, but too many people complained so they made it "easier" ala "Dumbed Down". I hope they go back to that as well.

[Juevani]

Get a PS3 and play MGS4 and u wont miss out on anything.. and for fans of SC they'll have something to do til their fav game realeses..

[GCO Gamer]

Nooooooooooooo

[Ali_The_Brit]

oh just great. one of the titles i thought id pick up which wud make my crapbox worth owning (there too damn hard to sell nobody wants one!)

has been delayed till possibly 2010. wow smooth going xbox, that MGS killer of yours did so good..

[Ali_The_Brit]

360's already pathetic exuse for a line up has now just been hit with a blow. PS3 will end the 360

[Z501]

MGS > Splinter Cell > Tenchu

[pegger24]

If this is true I say good, if the game sucked you better re-do it. If the game is having technical issues it is another story, but I think that if an almost two year "delay" does occur, it isn't technical issues it is that the game was going to be bad, really bad. The move to a more open world type of splinter cell is an interesting idea, but not a direction the series should go to in my opinion. Hopefully they are taking the time to change the game for the better, if it is going to suck worse than Double Agent did, than don't release it, I want something with the greatness of the first couple.

*** Sorry man, didn't mean this to be only directed at you, I hit reply for some dumb reason and never canceled it
oh and sam . . . . SAM. . . . SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMM MMMM

[Z501]

KARMA!
Do you know it?(The bots do)

LOL @ Baby Kazooie.
The names you guys think of is hilarious.

[Nytr8]

"Until then, get jealous of PS3 owners and Metal Gear Solid 4, because you're in for a long wait."

or just go buy a ps3 and mgs4 upon release.

[00]

With this delay they can add co-op if it's not already intergraded.

[OOG]

bah well......was hopn to play this....but if they can make it better and add co op etc ill be happy :)

Really dont know how people are comparing this to MGS though....the games have never really been similar......and I doubt they really care about MGS coming out especially since they would have been months apart.....

ah well...heres to hoping we hear comments soon about it

[3rik]

Now, Im not into stealth games that much. But I have played a few. I played MGS Twin Snakes and SC Chaos theory. Between them, I perfered SC. MGS just seemed too.....weird. But either way. MGS isnt a big deal to me.

[sleepbox]

It was looking extremely crappy. Glad to see it's been delayed.

[RAM MAGNUMS]

im actually pretty upset to hear ubisoft screwed themselves modeling the game after assasins creed.

When I used to have a xbox i loved the splinter cell games. Every single game! I hope that going back to the drawing board means they are gonna multi-plat this splinter cell game. When looking at a business stand-point XBOX 360 is losing stock with the people who now hate the xbox 360. It makes sense to let the xbox 360 die properly then put a multi-plat splinter cell game out.Hell, What ps3 did for EA can be done for Ubisoft!

Im rally curious to know why Sam would help Anna with anything. Especially, since he lost everything for his country. If I were Sam I would probly wait to die and become a Burglar.

I think ubisoft is the next EA because their games are being watered down & people still believe in them. I think they suck now & Im not holding there studios in high regard for games I want. They make games to rent.

[budbundystyles]

Splinter Cell always has been and will forever be a second rate, Madden-style churn it out every year franchise. Tossing a few kibbles of new gameplay to the ravenous junkies that buy the same crap ad naseum. Ever since its debut, I find it underwhelming. The game tops tiresome, exacting repetition with garbage controls. I could never have fun simply screwing around in the stages and with the enemies as I could in the MSG titles. I remember in "Chaos Theory" you were tasked with sneaking into a gaurded mansion, if one camera saw you it was a wrap. Oh, and by the way: the cameras were bulletproof and indestructible. That is a perfect example of why Spinter cell is sh!t, right there.

[djtek184]

They got scared when they saw how awesome msg4 is and decided to go back to the drawing broad. The R.I.P.Box is reaching its end.

[OpiZA]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[dcypha]

I couldn't stand the new the direction ubisoft was taking splinter cell. Reworking or revamping the game will be the best thing to happen for it. Plus they get to look at how MSG4 looks and plays and the fans reaction to it. which will help alot in determining what they do with the game. For all the Sony fans celebrating an xbox 360 game being delayed or pushed back you are truly blind, The game never had a release date or was listed in XBOX 360 list of upcoming releases.

P.S. Now that means all ignorant fanboys can go out and enjoy MSG4, and if you don't own a Ps3 buy one this will probably be the only game this year that will make owning one worth it.

P.P.S. Sony fans don't give me a list of games like Resistance 2 if i wanted shooters I have a XBOX 360 that has triggers on its controller for that. Little Big Planet just doesn't really interest me except something cute for my woman to play. Home is not for me also something for her to play it is basically the Sims and she loves that type of BS.

[pow3r of t3h c3ll]

the whole splinter cell series needs to go back to the drawing board and be remade. I played a few of them in my friends house and frankly none of them deserved more than a 7/10 imo. It amazes me how this crap series has managed to go on this long.

[heyheyhey]

back to the drawing board... so they can code a PS3 version this time

[budbundystyles]

you make me laugh out loud at least 2 times a week

[zonetrooper5]

Fixed the title, added the word Rumour into it. Sorry I didn't see this earlier.

[Lord Vader]

Forgot this title was even coming this year...

I'll get *double bashed* for this but at least I'm honest... Both Splinter Cell & Metal Gear lost their appeal to me along time ago. The last game(s) I played on BOTH of these franchises the controls were completely antiquated, & with Metal Gear, well, the story couldn't be any more ...convoluted.

Now the first Metal Gear was a masterpiece & the gameplay in the first 2 Splinter Cell's was incredible in their day, but that day has LONG since past.

I'll try out both games: I'm gonna Gamefly MGS4 just so I can watch... I mean play through it, to see how the story ends, but neither of these games really excite me. Sorry for being honest.