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Buying a new Xbox 360 Console is tricky right now

It appears that the new "Falcon" series of the Xbox 360 have hit store shelves.If this new Xbox 360s will run more stable and have less failures is not clear yet.

The Xbox 360 consoles with the 65nm CPU technology are apparently not marked as new on the outside, which is really an issue for consumers.
The chances are good that these new Xbox 360 consoles will run more stable and they apparently save 30% of energy. Like with the HDMI feature Microsoft should openly mark the new generation of Xbox 360 boxes to be clearly identifiable by customers.

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Young Capwn - 824 days 1 hour ago

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Do they still have that Huge powerbrick?
can they Read HD-dvds now w/o the add-on?
I bet they can read blu-rays.

I guess what really stands out is the fact that they said it may have "Less" failures.

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 824 days 1 hour ago

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Powerbrick, ain't that the thing that is behind the TV and no one sees?

Powerbrick, ain't that the thing you don't see (read above) and now releases its heat right into the air instead of inside the console?

That ain't bad. That is good.

Reading films from disc is so last gen. Discs can scratch. The 360 has Video Marketplace with HD content and even HD movies. One can stream HD footage from a PC, or can hook up a USB 2.0 HDD that can play any HD footage. Much cheaper, much better.

Does the PS3 still get sold as a cheap BetaBluRay player that can do some games on top?

BTW, the 90nm or 65nm isn't really an issue. Three years warranty covers possible problems. And I bet MS will integrate 65nm at their latest in 2008 with repairs on 90nm machines also if they get send in for repairs.

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Young Capwn - 824 days ago

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Must not be that much of an advantage seeing the failure rate of the 360, it still gets hott as hell in that thing, ill play for maby a hour, feel the back and its like it runs on steam power with hot coal, are there 2 power sources? imagine how many more owuld blow up if the powerbrick was inside!

My PS3 only overheated once this summer and it was when i had friends over and we were up all night on it. Betabluray? no such thing, i can play any blu-ray movie i want with no issues i dont have to buy a 200 dollar addon.

And most likly i also wont have to swawp discs half way through a movie or a game like you will.

And my games dont come in at 640P because they couldnt fit the game on the disc unless they lowerd the resolution.

as a matter of fact, im browsing this site on my PS3 lol

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Mr PS3 - 823 days 23 hours ago

1.3 - Hey Mart

That Powerbrick, ain't that the thing that is behind the TV and no one sees?

Yeah but you know its there and that sucks just like the rrod and you !!Now go and p1ss your self

Edit @justcallmedaddy
I really wanna ask you about somthing you wrote
You Wrote"(friends came to my house and slept over), and it wasn't half hot by the end of the night. I'm serious,"
Right listen what ever you and your f@ggy mate's get upto at the weekend i don't wanna know I mean your sick in the head telling us about you and your mate's having a sleep over pyjama party and it gettin all hot and stuff!!! Hey just keep that sh1t to yourself man and stick to comments on games and the crapbox and stuff like that and not your gay gang bang at the weekend ok there BUTTMONKEY
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JustCallMeDaddy - 823 days 23 hours ago

1.4 - @Xbox my Ass

WTF are u talking about, i got the new 360 with the new heat sink and it doesn't get hot. With halo 3, i left my 360 on for the longest time(friends came to my house and slept over), and it wasn't hot by the end of the night. I'm serious, it does not get hot at all, just a little warm.

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tethered - 823 days 23 hours ago

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@ Xbox my Ass

I might have been the first with the whole Pi$$ on Mart thing.

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1.6 dantesparda | 823 days 21 hours ago - User only got 1 bubble - Show

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Bloodmask - 824 days 1 hour ago

2 - It is nice that the Falcon

model is on the streets now. RROD will be a thing of the past.

I don't see why Microsoft would anounce a hardware revision bc no other company ever has. Plus bringing attention to the fact the hardware was having any type of problems would not be good for sales.

I don't think most casual purchasers are even aware that the hardware had any issues at all. I think it is just publicised a lot on the internet. Not saying there wasn't any kind of problem. It just seems like the internet is rampant to this kind of news.

Overall though even RROD type articles have started to fade lately.

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GrumpyOla - 823 days 23 hours ago

2.1 -

some submitted reviews by people who bought the premium with hdmi and the halo3 edition at amazon state that some had rrod straight after they bought them (out of the box).

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Hellbringer - 823 days 7 hours ago

2.3 - @GrumpyOla

in that case I believe that console was just defective.

If I hear like an RROD after two to three weeks of the xbox being used then I will consider it RROD.

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Mario18 - 824 days 1 hour ago

3 - THEMART = 32 year old XBOT!

http://www.xboxkings.com/in...

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Bloodmask - 824 days ago

3.1 - Mario18

Wasting your time posting TheMART's stats on N4G just proves you are immature.

BLOODMASK SAMA

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kingboy - 824 days ago

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yup! his getting exposed now..seriously his an adult and yet acts this childish ,what more would u expect from kids...

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XxZxX - 823 days 22 hours ago

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bloodmask very close to themart. They should kiss each other butt cheek

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 823 days 7 hours ago

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Hey Mario aka Sherlock Holmes... I live in 360 city also. You see all facts!

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Sayai jin - 824 days ago

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Not to hard to differ from the new ones. Just look on the box and if i has HDMI then its most likely the new one. I have an original 360 since launch with no issues and brought nother one for the my bed room (my gaming room is 3 floors down) and have never had problem with either consoles, even though they are loud..LOL My first PS3 was purchased in April and in early May the unit overheated and the power supply blew. Went without it for about 7 1/2 weeks. I guess I was a lucky one with the 360 and had bad luck with the PS3.

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jackdoe - 823 days 23 hours ago

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Some of the 360s with HDMI are merely the falconless Elites with 20 gb harddrives.

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Sayai jin - 823 days 21 hours ago

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Hmmmm. I got my info straight from the horses mouth, MS. I brought another 360 for my bed room and when I got it the box was crushed nd te 360 damaged, suprising the damn thing still worked, but I still sent it back to MS. I finally received a new one and when i opened it this one was diffrent, it had a HDMI port. So before I could even inquire about it, I received an e-mail from MS cusomer/Tech service dep. and tey told me that they had mde mistake in the console they shipped me. SO I called tem and the tech was pretty was cool and knowledgeble and he told me ow mine was diffrent and how to spot the new ones.

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HeavyweightInTheGame - 823 days 23 hours ago

5 - My 360 just busted on me Friday night playing Gears

Doesn't matter though. MS will replace it for free and I'll get it back in a few weeks. The only hassle is that I have to play PS2 again instead of playing 360 for a few weeks. (Got only one game for PS3). As soon as the repaired one comes to my house, I'd probably sell it for the Falcon. Things break. Unfortunately they break a bit more for 360's. I still love 360 though.

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Sayai jin - 823 days 21 hours ago

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Aaah, I know your frustration. My 360 that was part of the original ones at launch has not let me down, but 3 to 4 weeks after getting my PS3 the damn thing went fire started on me (no the powersupply blew). I sent it back and finally got another one. No problem though I was too busy playing Gears of War, but now that it is back I am rotating between Gears, Halo 3, and Bioshock....I mix in a little bit of Warhawk, although a great game it does not have the feel I thougt it would, but I am anxiously awaiting Clank and R. Haze, etc. Woooooooo, its a great time to be a gamer.

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HeavyweightInTheGame - 823 days 20 hours ago

5.2 - The good thing

Is that I can finally buy Warhawk and try that out. I haven't had a chance to play it cause of all the great 360 games. I myself was swapping between Gears, Halo and Bioshock and haven't had a chance to play Warhawk even though I wanted to. I'll grab it tomorrow :) Heard its great fun.

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PimpHandHappy - 823 days 23 hours ago

6 - They cant mark the boxes new

because then every xbox owner will be looking to trade in there old models and no one would buy there old model. They are 2 deep into the game to toss away all thos faulty 360's...

2bad really because i was waiting for this fix but if i dont know the one im buying has been improved i will never buy one. Maybe when the Elite gets under 300bucks i will.

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AhrenBa - 823 days 23 hours ago

7 - Here's my advice

I am in the same boat as all the other people who are debating on whether to buy a 360 right now. My advice is to give it a month to pan out.

That way, you'll be likely to get a new 65nm model (and hopefully and official statement from Microsoft). Also, a rumor is going around that Sony has a big announcement coming this month. You may want to wait, and make the decision after that has occurred.

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synce - 823 days 23 hours ago

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Spoiler: most people don't know or care about the new chips, and they really wouldn't have to if MS made a good console from the get-go.

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Snukadaman - 823 days 23 hours ago

8.1 - your right about not many people knowing about the new chips....

my cousin bought one 2 days ago and i told him wait off till the 9th for the better bundle and hdmi xbox.

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bishop-br - 823 days 23 hours ago

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Well I was waiting for this... Already have a PS3 and X360 was to be my second console, I would just have to wait the "early-adopters" to test this for me, if this one don't gonna burn my house...

Wait... I WAS waiting... Yes, I'm not getting this anymore... At least, not for sometime. I just order a PSP slim last week, so I can remote play and all those cool things, and even I was needing a handheld (can't play on cellphone freakin' little buttons).

Too slow MS, too slow... Better sooner than later, but still better later than never.

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Maddens Raiders - 823 days 21 hours ago

11 - To steal a quote from idontcare -

"LOL@XBOX360"

-- Buying a new Xbox 360 Console is tricky right now... --

huh? (WOW)

P L A Y B 3 Y O N D

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cow moolester - 823 days 21 hours ago

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I think I have a falcon.....I got a new Elite today and it is really quiet...like really quiet..It was made on the 27-7-07

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Synex - 823 days 11 hours ago

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The reason it's quiet is because it RROD already and you didn't notice.

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Genki - 823 days 20 hours ago

13 - Saw this coming from a mile away.

Predicted this months ago, although I honestly didn't expect the Falcon units to be released so ealry. I was expecting February, and not as silent a launch as this. A small announcement on a website at least, but nothing.

I also thought some gaming site with a keen eye would be able to somehow have us spot the difference, but I guess not. Oh well, in this case I might as well wait until February, and I hope they've been implemented in the Elites as well, b/c that's the SKU I'm looking to get.

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Synex - 823 days 18 hours ago

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If people were just smart enough to not buy a 360 this wouldn't be an issue. Who reads about a product with a 30% failure rate and goes "Eh that's not too bad it's better than 50%."

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teto83 - 823 days 16 hours ago

14.1 - good burn !!!!! LOL

"If people were just smart enough to not buy a 360 this wouldn't be an issue" ...LOL@XBOT360...LOL

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mandrake - 823 days 15 hours ago

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Now that the die shrink has been implemented, 360s should cost less to produce. I expect a price cut at least by January, or sooner depending on when Sony put out the 40 gb PS3.

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Synex - 823 days 14 hours ago

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A price cut with no games doesn't do much for a console. Man I remember being in this similar situation when the PS3 came out. I love how time fixes all. Well except the 360, but hey who can?

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367 To Your Ass - 823 days 14 hours ago

16 - sounds nice to hear that the Falcon series has hit stores

my cuz always wanted a 360 looks like i'll be giving him mine so that i can get this one.

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heavyarms - 823 days 13 hours ago

17 - Buy the falcon!!

The falcon models have a serial number ending with 735. So if you are looking to buy a new 360 make sure it has that model number and you'll have a 360 with the new 65nm for sure.

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Genki - 823 days 10 hours ago

17.1 - How do you know that exactly?

Are you sure those numbers aren't b/c they came from a particular factory, or where did you hear it?

If true, does this also apply to the Elite?(I'm interested in this particular model. My 60 PS3 shows me that 20GB isn't nearly enough)

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ProjectX - 823 days 12 hours ago

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I really feel bad for those 360 owners (not true gamers) for being cheap and ended up spending more. Why not buy something that will work from beginning w/o any headache?

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Tone - 823 days 11 hours ago

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Some people are talking like the 360 pre-falcon will all fail...

Thats just not true and you all know it.. only a percentage will, i have a mate who has a release date 360.. he plays the hell out of it all the time and has not had one single problem with it.

Also the 90nm with the new heatsinks with heatpipes will also lower the failure rates like the UK released Elites... only time will tell i suppose.

I also know of two of my mates whom have had PS3 failures, so thats not exactly bullet proof either as it stands, not as bad as the 360.. but by no means perfect either.

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Genki - 823 days 11 hours ago

19.1 - You may be right,

but the RRoD issue is an inherent design flaw, so with that, there's a possibility that they could, which is why I've been hesitant to buy one up to now. If it were just some large scale manufacturing defect, that's another thing, because a revamp of manufacturing and a recall would fix that. A design flaw on the other hand, means reworking of the internal components...which is something that wouldn't get announced and could possibly affect other things.

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cow moolester - 823 days 11 hours ago

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Exactly...My 360 at least lasted me 1 year and 7 months...my Ps3 lasted me 27 days before the HDMI out melted....don't believe I have a Ps3?Add my PSN Tag: Cow-Moolester

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Hellbringer - 823 days 7 hours ago

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crap hdmi cable maybe? Seriously sounds like that, I haven't heard that one even once before.

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idontcare - 823 days 7 hours ago

21 - @TheMART

The PS3 has no AAA games? hahahaha. yeah, because Gamespot or Ign said so or what?

These games are AAA for me and i think they're much better than anything on the 3fixme

- Lair

- Heavenly Sword

- Motorstorm

- Resistance

- Ninja Gaiden Sigma

- Warhawk

- F1

......

damn, even God Of War 2 on PS2 is better than anything for the 360.

If you're a hardcore gamer .. go for the PS3.

If you like PC-gaming and just want to shoot stuff .. go for the 360.

P L A Y B 3 Y O N D

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Jesso2k - 823 days 4 hours ago

22 - @ idontcare

From gamerankings.com (an average of all media outlet scores), I lay out for you the ps3 top 20 as well as 360's.

PS3 Top 20
1. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion=93.0%
2. Resistance: Fall of Man=87.4%
3. Virtua Fighter 5=87.1%
4. Ninja Gaiden Sigma=86.7%
5. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas=85.9%
6. Warhawk=84.1%
7. NBA Street Homecourt=83.9%
8. Fight Night Round 3=83.5%
9. MotorStorm PS3=82.7%
10. Madden NFL 08=82.2%
11. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07=81.9%
12. The Darkness=81.7%
13. NBA 2K7=81.3%
14. Call of Duty 3=80.9%
15. Heavenly Sword=80.7%
16. Virtua Tennis 3=80.5%
17. NHL 2K7=80.1%
18. Marvel: Ultimate Alliance=79.3%
19. Ridge Racer 7=78.7%
20. Tony Hawk's Project 8=78.0%

Xbox 360 Top 20
1. BioShock=95.5%
2. Halo 3=94.7%
3. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion=94.1%
4. Gears of War=93.8%
5. Guitar Hero II=92.1%
6. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter=90.6%
7. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night=90.0%
8. Call of Duty 2=90.0%
9. Forza Motorsport 2=89.8%
10. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas=89.0%
11. Burnout Revenge=88.7%
12. Project Gotham Racing 3=88.4%
13. Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved=87.9%
14. The Elder Scrolls IV: Shivering Isles=87.7%
15. Skate X360=86.9%
16. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2=86.4%
17. Dead or Alive 4 X360 Tecmo 83 8.0 86.1%
18. Fight Night Round 3=85.3%
19. Dead Rising=85.2%
20. Bomberman Live=85.1%

Take from this what you will but these are just the facts, I should mention since I didn't copy all the way that the 360 library doesn't have a review average that dips below 80% until #60!

http://www.gamerankings.com...

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Genki - 823 days 4 hours ago

23 - I'm sorry, I know statistics don't lie, but

I don't care what kind of "facts" you present...a sum of opinions is by no means a fact. Why is it that ad populum arguments rule the roost around here? Does nobody like games anymore? Do you people that quote the numbers even play the games, or just use them as ammunition? Serious inquiry, because I'm starting to wonder why nobody plays games anymore and only like to shoot off at the mouth.

I've been entertained for the past couple days with the NBA 2K8 demo...yes a DEMO, but from what I gather, I've been more entertained by a 250 MB tease than people like you have been with your supposed perfect library.

Nobody can even say why they like a game these days...the "professionals" do all the talking for them. It's pitiful, and I mean it, I PITY these people that carry on about this crap. Tell me why YOU like any of those games, really, and you may have some credibility. Sad that people can't even tell themselves why they like what they like.

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Jesso2k - 823 days 3 hours ago

23.1 - Thats fair

I've owned Halo 3, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Gears of War, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, Call of Duty 2, Burnout Revenge, Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas, Project Gotham Racing 3, Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2, Dead or Alive 4 X360, Fight Night Round 3, Dead Rising.

SO YEAH. What I don't like is when people hide behind opinions that are uneducated, clearly biased, or short sighted just to bash the console they don't own. Every article has 50 comments going against whatever the subject is, people saying it's just their opinion without giving any reason why I should agree with them.

When I layout facts, I throw them out there so people know theres a reason why I say these things. So what if I research a games score before I make a purchase? I think it's showing good purchasing power when I only get behind strong products.

Not purchasing the PS3 so soon is another example. Why purchase a console that's still not ready? By Sony's own mouth, "just wait". OK I will wait until a few console exclusives can break the 90% mark, the console comes down in price and rumble controllers are included. If I didn't research my purchases I'd be stuck in a rut right now, probably flaming every article in n4g.com lol.

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cow moolester - 823 days 2 hours ago

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@HellBringer- I bought that logitech one that was made for Ps3

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Fanboi - 823 days 1 hour ago

25 - Replacement plan

They need to replace my POS Xbomb with the new model for free. This is really starting to piss me off. Just when I had mine replaced two months ago it died again last week. Whats the god damn point of having it fixed when the root of the problem isn't solved?

What MS need to do is to go back to the drawing board and engineer a console that isn't made with parts from the 99 cents store, and if your current box die it should be replaced with the latest version instead of putting bandaid on a lemon.

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