Halo 3 Natively runs at 640p?

Violater - 816 days 20 hours ago

so many people reporting the story.
What are u guys afraid of???
the truth will set you free in all glorious 640P
If this does not get approved then I say to hell with N4G

Edit: goodbye bubbles.
Damage control: when all is said and done numbers wont change the fact that Halo is a very fun game.

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JsonHenry - 816 days 19 hours ago

Finally!!! I have been telling all you console boys out there that NONE of the games put out by either Sony or Microsoft run NATIVELY at a resolution greater than 800*600.

Too little memory, too little cache, and too little video power.

And I DON'T want to hear about the CELL being so great either. Sure, it IS capable of being a power house, but you can have the fastest CPU in the world but without enough RAM and cache on the CPU then it does not matter a bit.

The CELL in the PS3 is like having a 500 horsepower motor with only half of the gears on the transmission working.

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thewhoopimen - 816 days 18 hours ago

Are you an idiot, did you read the article? there are no PS3 games that run under 720p and by the way its 1280 x 720 for 720p and probably 1100 x 640 if it is 640p. All HDTVs nowadays are widescreen 800 x 600 is a 4:3 good ol' Trinitron tuber [sic]. (which is probably what you use to game on your next gen system)

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TriggerHappy - 816 days 18 hours ago

Funny. To improve framerate you lower the resolution. There's a good scaler in that er 360. Sad thing is, that if Sony had 4 games that weren't native 720p or more - they'd be hung from the highest tree by the media.

And where's that "free AA" ? Hm...where's elitegamer when you need him...he championed this more than anything.

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Mu5afir - 816 days 16 hours ago

You mean the 10mb eDRAM that wouldn't even be enough to do a complete 4xMSAA sample? The one that most "hardware" geniuses would use as an example of a superior 360 GPU? If they did the math, they would have realized how limited that eDRAM is, and why it becomes useless at anything above 720p, or anything that uses HDR etc...

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SlappyMcTaint - 816 days 15 hours ago

You don't know the inner workings of the cell and how, if used properly, takes the need for huge amounts of RAM away by using all of the different caches and spu's and bandwidth efficiently. Cell is the future of ALL computing -at least the theory of cell, the idea of massive amounts of processors all chewing up tasks a little at a time for greatly increased bandwidth and data processing.

And both PS3 and 360 have the same amount of RAM, so please bury that argument. And yes i know they both use RAM differently. It's old computing versus what we'll all be using in 5-10 years in some form or other.

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EdoBMP - 816 days 14 hours ago

Who is this post written by. Can measuring the pixels of the edge of a game object be an accurate measurement of the resolution as a whole. I can't see how people can just run with this guys post like it some kind of professional analysis. Thats nuts, a lot of these posters and commenters run around acting like liberals turning uncorralated and uncoraborated stories into truth. Besides what do people really want. This game has been in production for years, right. We have to assume its design was based on a standard set a while back. As long as a company does publish false information regarding HD graphics or retouch videos and screenshots, us as the consumer should be satisfied with what we preview first hand in demos and available media.

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m9105826 - 816 days 10 hours ago

1.2... you're an idiot. Remember that PS3 devs didn't even have access to the scalar algorithm for the PS3 until recently. They HAD to make the games run natively, or they wouldn't run in HD at all.

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Dareaver1 - 815 days 23 hours ago

Does it make sense for people who have no interest in this game or this console constantly come into these posts as if their opinions mattered? Why be so childish and post this nonsense. I heard from somewhere over the rainbow that such and such said this, then such and such said that, and now it's a proven fact. Until Bungie comes out and says what the native resolution of the game is, it really doesn't matter what anyone else says. Especially with no factual information to support their claim.

But why does any of this matter. I'm sorry to say, but Sony has tainted this industry. It used to be about gaming, now we have to deal with hardware claims and bs. Who cares, does the game look awesome (check), is the game fun to play (check), does the game legitimize it's purchase (check), am i going to be able to play this game for a long time (check.) Shouldn't that be all that matters to us. We are suppose to be gamers right. We should care about the games instead of which console they are on. And we should be able to appreciate what the consoles offer to help push forward our gaming experiences. This fanboy nonsense is getting very tiresome. And fanboys aren't even gamers, just pre-pubescent children with a hard-on for justifying their purchases. And screaming childishly that "mines is better than yours."

We are suppose to be enjoying these games, not trolling around the internet looking for or (in some cases) making up stories to make the other console or game look bad. Games are all about fun, how much fun is that?

Let's game on people, and help show that this industry is full of mature educated people, and also that this industry should be taken seriously.

Because all this fanboyism sure doesn't help it look positive in anyway.

I guess fanboys must not have liked what i said, that's why i'm getting disagrees with no response. Well if you are offended then, i guess you are a fanboy. And for that, i hope it's a wake up call.

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bym051d - 816 days 20 hours ago

The scaler will upconvert to 720p, 1080i, or 1080p (or lots of other rez).

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Icecold33 - 816 days 10 hours ago

It's funny how you guys are so quick to believe and or jump on the bandwagon when bad 360 news comes out. But when an issue comes out on the PS3 everybody is in denial to the point of making personal attacks against the news bearer. This cycle actually is done by both 360 and PS3 fanboys, however from my view, the PS3 boy have gotten it down to an art.

Honestly, I have never in my life seen a bunch of people like this. There is something about HALO 3 that is scaring the Hell out of the typical sony fanboy. Really though, this is the biggest collection of hate I have ever seen over a stupid video game. Your hate for halo has already surpassed any levels previously set by the halo hype that preceeded it.

Also, wasn't it sony that said ALL PS3 Games would be in 1080P. Wasn't 1080p one of their biggest selling points along with Blu-ray? Can someone name 1 PS3 launch title that actually achieve the 1080p plateau. Seriously though.

The argument being made about High Def and all this other bullsh!t; now that is something that is overhyped and overrated. An excellent game DOES NOT NEED TO BE AT 1080p. Can someone say ZELDA!

The copies of Motorstorm and RFOM that were bought for me, are of no use to me, because my TV downstairs doesn't support 720p and I can't get them to work in 480 and definitely not 1080i PS3 just locks up. If I move my PS3 to the bedroom, I can play them there because that TV supports all resolutions. But, my girl is having no part in having the PS3 in the bedroom. And I don't really blame her.

But getting back to my point. You guys, have so much abhorrence for one another that it's actually sadning. Very disturbing! Very Disturbing

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SlippyMadFrog - 816 days 7 hours ago

bubbles for you. I always enjoy reading your posts, we can certainly use more N4G members like you.

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bym051d - 816 days 4 hours ago

I believe Ridge Racer 7 was a launch title in 1080p.

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Floxnard - 816 days 2 hours ago

I know you're lying, because I own Motorstorm and RFOM and both run just fine at 480i. My friend also owns Motorstorm and RFOM and just about every other PS3 game, and they all run just fine on his super small 480i tv. My other friend who has a PS3 has only a couple PS3 games, but I think he has RFOM and it runs just fine on his 720p tv at either 720p or 1080i. I don't know anyone who has a 1080p.

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artman - 815 days 22 hours ago

ice ice ice,
I believe nobody is afraid of halo, for me personally... I don't enjoy FPS games, so it's too over hyped for a game. I believe it's a fun game for networking game with friends. I gonna jump in the play with my friends (even it's not my game)

And not all people here have HDTV my friend, I don't even own the latest TV in my house yet. I'm waiting for LED tv.
I play my ps3 on SDTV, even sometimes I play it on my 20 years old 29" Toshiba TV. and I don't have any problem with resolutions.

I know you want to convince people about 360, it's a good hardware but not in quality (I had one, and it's useless since red light)
even my xbox now got red light too.

just enjoy the ride.
we all will play and move forward, choose what you like, no need to be biased with the one you can't afford nor faithless brand.

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bym051d - 816 days 19 hours ago

No, the PS3 runs on 480p if the game only supports 720p and you have an older HDTV that doesn't allow 720p input (like mine :( ).

E: What's to disagree? It's a minority of TVs that have a problem. I'm in that minority.

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-_-_-_-_-_-_- - 816 days 19 hours ago

@Wii60_FTW

what do you mean?

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scottie2521 - 816 days 18 hours ago

WTF are you talkin about.

NONE, i repeat, NONE of the game i have run at that resolution.

this is a classic example of fanboys saying ANYHTING to try to down another system. dude, you have no idea what you're talking about

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SlappyMcTaint - 816 days 15 hours ago

"cuz most ps3 games run at 480p on most hdtvs."

UUH, NOO! Switch your cables, genius.

HD resolutions require either Component or HDMI cables. The only other reason your supposed PS3 games are running in 480p is because your HDTV is out of date and doesn't support 720p.

Wii360 Pwned FTW!!!

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bym051d - 816 days 14 hours ago

480p requires Component or HDMI also. Composite and S-Video maxout at 480i.

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WafflesID - 816 days 19 hours ago

PS3 does have a scaler. Right around the time MS announced their secret weapon ANA...sony unlocked the scaler with a firmware upgrade.

*edit*

Thanks for the clarification. Never read up on HANA.

I could have sworn I saw picture of the ANA scaler chip on the motherboard.

And the more I read, the more I think sony was FOS too, and their scaler isn't a hardware scaler either.

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AuburnTiger - 816 days 18 hours ago

"The only other major change under the bonnet is the new HANA video display chip, replacing the old ANA version in the classic 360. This chip has erroneously been described as the silicon that deals with the 360's inbuilt hardware scaling. In truth, Microsoft has now confirmed to us that it's merely a video output chip - a means of transferring the framebuffer into all of the different signals: composite, s-video, RGB SCART, component, VGA and - the key addition with HANA - HDMI. Scaling itself is actually performed by the Xenos GPU (most likely using a variation of Lanczos resizing)"

you can't make this stuff up

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BigFART - 816 days 18 hours ago

Thats like M$ saying they care about the reliability of the 360 to its consumers???

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EdoBMP - 816 days 13 hours ago

At first I thought it was blow to how much the XBOX costs but that can't be it because it is closely priced with the PS3 if you consider the HDDVD addon. Then maybe they think MS is ripping us off and taking all our $money, but as far as its been reported the profits on the xbox units are not very high per unit and there was always talk that MS was losing money on every unit they sold the the original xbox, so that didn't really make sense either. Despite hardware failures and what not, people are getting there units replaced or repaired, far more quickly than other products I've owned. Then I figured it out they must be jabbing at MS as a whole. The gigantic corporation headed by one of the richest men in the world. MS must be evil and greedy and only concerned about money. If this is truly the case as to why hundreds of the MS hater love to use the "M$" phrase it is truly misguided. First lets talk about Bill Gates, if not an example of an American success, he is one of the most charitable billionaires around, and if your not aware of that you must be living in a cave in pakistan. The company itself is poorly misunderstood, take a walk through their campus in Washington and I bet you would change your mind. MS gets a lot of flack from the liberal media and in my opinion an unfair shake from the Europian Union, gravely misunderstanding the aim of its OS. Please I would love for someone to tell me all about this "M$" "B$"

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BigFART - 816 days 13 hours ago

...You're thinking too hard on this one. To me it represents exactly what it looks like (money, money, money). Microsoft is LOADED with it. I personally have never used it as a slam to Microsoft, or saying that their a giant evil money sucking corporation (in the end all of them are about the benjamins). I just cant believe they are getting by the massively defective 360 without a backlash from its core consumers. The warranty is only a bandage, its not a fix. I know, I know, falcon this, falcon that...I'll stick with what I know will last a long, long time.

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CaliGamer - 816 days 7 hours ago

"First lets talk about Bill Gates, if not an example of an American success, he is one of the most charitable billionaires around, and if your not aware of that you must be living in a cave in pakistan. The company itself is poorly misunderstood, take a walk through their campus in Washington and I bet you would change your mind. MS gets a lot of flack from the liberal media and in my opinion an unfair shake from the Europian Union, gravely misunderstanding the aim of its OS. Please I would love for someone to tell me all about this "M$" "B$"

This statement shows your ignorance of Microsoft as a corporation. Bill Gates is generous but you have to look at the effects of tax write offs when you are as rich as he is. He has also invested in AIDS drug research, but he also is in the business of enforcing patents at the expense of the health of people around the world, especially in the developing world. I have no time to school you on the facts so you can look at the book (The Best Democracy Money Can Buy by Greg Palast for more information on page 189-191)
The Point is MS and Bill Gates are not being targeted, they are inherently immoral as by law their only motivation has to be profit. Its funny how conservatives always use blanket statements when they don't agree with something, labeling it "the liberal media". Get your head out your A$$ man, get your facts straight and for god sakes read. Sony, MS, Nintendo are all corporations, end of story.

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thewhoopimen - 816 days ago

Cali Gamer you are the one that needs major rethinking on your crap. In fact I would totally think you were either completely ignorant or MS PR spinner. Do you know when Bill Gates announced his "contribution" of billions to the then "newly" formed Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation? Yeah, you bet your ass during the US vs. Microsoft Trials. Of course, he's a generous giver... He just blackmailed the PC industry out of Billions and brought down Netscape! Where the hell do you read your news? Oh right the conservative media, where anything not-pro American big business is censored out. I am not saying he was the unscrupulous business man that he was back when, in fact I could even conjecture it is a result of his Asperger's Syndrome (do you even know he has it?)

But in anycase, he was a friend of Steve Jobs (Apple Founder) / partner during the Silicon Valley eras of the 1970s-1980s and borrowed a Mac Plus to copy and re-engineer the OS to Windows, because Apple refused to license the OS to IBM. What type of friend just does that?

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-_-_-_-_-_-_- - 816 days 19 hours ago

Yeah, cheap MS tricks.

(just having fun, nothing serious or personal, don't rip my heart out boys.)

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Violater - 816 days 19 hours ago

I'm glad that this little known fact has not gone completely unnoticed.

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scottie2521 - 816 days 17 hours ago

true sh!t

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BenzMoney - 816 days 19 hours ago

Care to explain why it should've been approved? Seems to me it violates the posting guidelines. Too bad idiots have hijacked this (once good) site.

"Random dude posts in some random forum - should this be posted on N4G? Yes/No?" Correct answer - no.

Anyone who approves or posts articles/news/etc that breaks the guidelines, especially repeatedly, should have their contributor status taken away. Idiots have broken this site by ignoring the rules (whether it is modifying headlines to get hits or otherwise) - and others, like yourself, seem to be okay with it.

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Meus Renaissance - 816 days 19 hours ago

That particular rule is in regards to another rule that no personal opinions, such as random/general posts on a forum, can be approved as news. Halo running at 640p is not an opinion but a fact as it is shown here.

How many times have articles been posted that were from Neogaf forums - not because someone had a comment to make, but that proof such as a screenshot, was provided to elevate the perception of opinion to FACT.

To interpret this rule, you have to consider the context of such forum posts. If someone posts "Halo sucks", that is not news but a random opinion. If someone posts "Bungie close down" on a forum and proves it by providing an official statement with a link, then it gets approved by N4G because its factual news regardless if its posted on a forum or drawn in the sand.

Do you now understand the rules or shall I go on?

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BenzMoney - 816 days 19 hours ago

...but sometimes I'm not so sure.

"That particular rule is in regards to another rule that no personal opinions can be approved as news. Just because the source is a post does not mean it's an opinion - Halo running at 640p is not an opinion but a fact."

- If it is a fact, I would like to see an official source documenting it as fact. When this is found, it can be posted as news with the link pointing directly to the OFFICIAL SOURCE, as per the guidelines.

"How many times have articles been posted that were from Neogaf - that had proof such as screenshot to elevate the perception of opinion to FACT."

- Doesn't make it right. Like I said, just because some idiots don't follow the rules doesn't mean they shouldn't be followed at all. In addition, the guidelines make it abundantly clear that forum posts by "important persons" are legitimate sources for posts on N4G. Random posts, however, are not. This is a random post from some random guy.

"To interpret it, you have to consider the context of such forum posts. If someone posts 'Halo sucks', that is not news. If someone posts 'Bungie close down' on a forum and proves it by providing an official statement with a link, then it gets approved by N4G because its factual news."

- No, that would not be the case. In such a case the contributor submitting the story should post a link to the supposed "official statement" and use that as the basis for the story. (Always use the original source for the story) - the forum post should be given as credit as a reference. The forum post is not news - the news is the news, and news comes from a credible source.

"Do you now understand the rules or shall I go on?"

- I think I understand them quite clearly. Can't say the same about you though, you appear to read what you want to read.

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Meus Renaissance - 816 days 19 hours ago

You can contact the Admins and Moderators for clarification on this rule. That rule is specifically relating to random posts on forums, usually as they're rumours and speculation started by the person who breaks that rumour. The N4G staff decided to dismiss such things from the site because it is not gaming "news".

Although this story is based on a forum post, what differentiates it from the type of forum posts the Admins are against - the ones that hold no evidence - is that this indeed has a form of credible evidence.

What your saying, pardon me if I'm misunderstanding, is that regardless of what is said on a forum, factual or not, with evidence or not, it should not be approved as a story on N4G? I disagree.

The context of this particular story is unique however. A month ago on the Bioshock demo, in one of the data files, someone find text to imply there was a PS3 version of the game. If I remember correctly, I came across this story on a forum. And before I looked away I noticed the poster had evidence to support this, and although at the end it was found to be a mistake from the developers point of view, it is things of this nature that are still news worthy if there is credible evidence and this such an example IMO.

If you disagree, then so be it but I have explained my reasons for all.

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BenzMoney - 816 days 19 hours ago

I'd more than gladly wipe the floor with you in a 2v2 match on Halo 3 to settle it once and for all.

Oh, and by the way, that "Media Hate on the PS3: Why?" article of yours - broken rules - what's with the altering of the story title? Do you deny that this isn't against N4G guidelines? What you essentially did was write a blog post and post it as news in that story (via your first comment). Are you not aware that there is a blog section of this site?

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the article itself, but damn - at least post it properly...

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-_-_-_-_-_-_- - 816 days 18 hours ago

I'm sorry to interrupt your discussion but IMHO N4G just gets more fun, bigger and better. Whatever it is that this community does, it works. Even if it means breaking some rules sometimes (both sides of the front).

Having a news site with only strictly official news from MS and SONY would be a bit boring and we already have that.

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Meus Renaissance - 816 days 18 hours ago

I'd love to PWN you but I don't have my 360 with me currently. But whenever you get killed on Halo 3, remember papa Meus and you might be able to hear..the slight..echo..of my laughter..

;)

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